Double Trouble? WA cop shoots two “unarmed” black men
“No justice, no peace” rally fizzles out in 30 minutes
It doesn’t look like I’m going to run out of “white cop shoots unarmed black man” stories to write about any time soon—except this time it was two black men.
As always, please note the caveat that this shooting event is still developing, and all the “facts” in my possession are sourced from “journalists” and thus may have only a tenuous relationship to the truth.
The reporting comes from The Olympian newspaper out of Washington. It seems that an officer with the Olympia police department, 35-year-old Ryan Donald, scored multiple hits on two robbery suspects who decided they’d rather attack the officer than comply with lawful orders.
Indeed, the two men—reportedly brothers—were apparently so determined to tangle with Officer Donald that even after he’d shot one of them and they’d both managed to successfully flee, they came back. The second man was “shot multiple times in the torso.”
The police department reports that Donald immediately set about providing first aid and called for emergency medical response.
One of the men is now reported to be in “stable condition”, and the other in critical condition.
Both of the suspects are black men in their early 20s, one named Bryson Chaplin and the other named Andre Thompson (in featured picture, above). Officer Donald is white.
The two men alleged to have attacked Officer Donald are said to have been unarmed, by which it is meant that they did not possess firearms. There were, of course, two of them, which immediately creates a disparity of force justifying escalation. At least one was also “armed” with a skateboard which was allegedly used against the officer, and of course both were armed with fists and feet.
Officer Donald was dispatched to his encounter with the two men after they were observed trying to steal beer from a Safeway at about 1:00am.
When challenged by store employees, the men threw the products at the employees and fled. Armed with a remarkably detailed description—including the suspect’s clothing, height, weight, and even tattoos—it took Officer Donald all of about 15 minutes to chase these guys down.
Donald reports that they immediately attacked him, compelling him to shoot. The two men fled into nearby woods. Officer Donald declined to pursue them alone and instead called in the “shots fired.”
Shortly thereafter, however, the two men emerged from the woods and once again confronted Donald. It was at this time that the second man received those multiple torso hits.
Like my Dad always said: poor choices, poor outcomes.
Police Chief Ronnie Roberts seems to be taking a reasonable position on the matter:
It’s unfortunate that an officer was involved in a situation where he believed he had to use deadly force. An investigation will determine whether that was an appropriate use of force.
This is in marked contrast to Olympia Mayor Stephen Buxbaum, who seems to have already assumed the position:
It deeply saddens me that we have two young people in the hospital as the result of an altercation with an officer of the law. We are committed to open dialogue where people can gather and share their feelings, show their compassion and stand up for what I think represents our values.
The Olympian reports that a “no justice, no peace” protest involving about 50 people began around noon yesterday, and had dispersed within a half-hour.
The paper also reports:
The shooting will not be investigated by the Olympia Police Department, Roberts said. It will instead be investigated by the Thurston County Critical Response Team, a group made up of five local law enforcement agencies. The investigation will be led by the Thurston County Sheriff’s Office.
Roberts said the Olympia Police Department doesn’t use body cams or dash cams.
It’s anticipated that this investigation will take several weeks. Officer Donald has reportedly already given a preliminary statement to investigators.
That’s about all we’ve got on that situation. Naturally, we’ll keep an eye on it and report as things develop.
Hat-tip to @MsEBL and her blog, Evil Blogger Lady.
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BWACK WIVES Matter..!!
Were it not for the Obamic racial scab-picking, this would never be more than a local story.
But here we are…
These scab pickers need victims and mostly dead ones. Like Jesse Jackson said after the Trayvon Martin incident- “we need to turn this moment into a movement”. That incident failed, but they managed to build on the lie of the Mike Brown incident. They are still stacking up victims for their “movement”.
As a resident of the Olympia area, I’ve been expecting protests over recent events elsewhere. Olympia is a liberal cesspool of progressive activists, socialist politicians, OWS agitator-types, so-called “anarchists,” etc. I am now on high alert, and considering increasing my EDC’s basic load from 53 to 79 rounds – just in case. No telling when and where the S might HTF. It would be very easy to accidentally turn into a street blocked by potentially violent protesters, or get caught in a flash mob at the mall. One must be prepared.
According to the census, Olympia is only 2% Black. I thought we were only scared of Black people.
Tacoma is next door.
Tacoma is only 12% black, but isn’t the real issue paid demonstrators/agitators.
A great resource would be a web site with pictures and names of agitators.
We aren’t scared. We’re prepared.
I wonder if they invented this thing called Russian Lotto. It’s like Russian Roulette but with a twist. The two guys attack the cop. One dies, which one is strictly chance, The other one sues the police department for $10 million — thus winning the Russian Lotto.
I haven’t heard of the term “Russian Lotto” before. I have heard of “unarmed” criminals attacking an armed officer described as the “self-cleaning oven,” as the criminals accomplish their own demise.
What no “family spokesman” out front for the cameras? It is becoming obvious that young black males view themselves as suicide martyrs. Don’t their lives matter too?
They can certainly claim poverty. Their social status has so marginalized these two nice boys that they needed to use a skateboard to steal beer. That’s just so sad when compared to todays world of ‘nigga rich’ thuggery. Good luck with the lotto boys!/ sarc.
So damn sick and tired of this “no justice, no peace” bunk! Hello, they tried to rob a store and attacked the responding officer not once but twice! You protesters want to know something, there will be justice in this case. As soon as these two fools are out of the hospital they will be sent to jail, possibly bonded out, have a trial and after which will more than likely go back to jail for the next few years of their lives. That will be justice!
No peace, no justice.
How about: “No Crime, No Bullet Holes!”
How about No Peace leading to a Lasting Peace for the perp?
Paging prosecutor Mosby! Paging prosecutor Mosby! Please pick up the black courtesy phone …
Does the world not understand that an “unarmed” man can kill you or am I nuts?
Nope you are a realist who relies on logic and facts, so to them yes you are crazy.
And a racist. /must I?
“It doesn’t look like I’m going to run out of “white cop shoots unarmed black man” stories…”
DC Black man robs, torture, murder then attempts to burn the bodies of unarmed white man, his wife, their ten year old sun and a housekeeper in brutal home invasion last week. – WUSA9 Local http://tinyurl.com/savoupolismassacre
Or some stories more equal than other?
Sadly, the DC killing is a “dog bites man” story, and lacks the current political and social dynamics of “white cop shoots black man” stories.
Don’t hate the playa, etc., etc.
–Andrew, @LawSelfDefense
Some people tried to burn a pizza shop owner with gasoline during the Grey riots. The Thuggees live.
Damn, Andrew. You just likened a black man to a dog. Considering the circumstance of the incident, probably justifiably so.
Andrew lives on the edge. I suspect he likes it there. Just saying.
1. How do you know Savopoulos was unarmed?
2. There’s a lot that’s very loudly and clearly not being said about this story. Wint was hired muscle, and we have no idea who ordered these murders, what color s/he is, or what they were about. But there was clearly a lot going on that the reporters are being very careful not to mention.
Or maybe Wint got wind of the $40,000 his former boss had delivered to his house, and he wanted it.
No, the $40k was delivered the morning after Wint & Co. took over the family and went all orc on them. Wint was there when the money came. The dad apparently made the arrangements to have the money delivered at the behest of Wint who may have been torturing the boy to get cooperation from the parents. After the money arrived, it was all over for the family.
Hmmm. Where was Hillary when this was going down?
she was watching a video 😀 😀 😀 😀
Her personal server was down, so she didn’t get the e-mail.
Counting money.
…how stupid do you have to be to come back?
Not stupid. Deliberate.
Deliberate, but stupid.
…nothing good ever comes without perseverance! Those pistol bullets would never had come without these two genetic throwbacks perseverance. They almost won the Darwin award this time.
In the Olympia area, there’s a large amount of “Himalayan Blackberry,” an invasive plant. It forms absolutely impenetrable walls of thorny vines that can grow into huge hedges. It’s possible the perps ran into some of it (it’s everywhere), and realized they couldn’t go through it, and had no option but to come back out of the woods.
Let me add to that very logical reasoning – they probably thought the cop would not still be there. Imagine their surprise.
Especially after one of you has already been hit.
The only logical reason for coming of the woods.
None of the folks complaining about “unarmed” would be happy to allow one of the martyrs shot while unarmed and wandering around helping old ladies across various streets to take an uncontested swing at the face. But they want cops to accept the punishment.
Wouldn’t it be fun to pressure these fools to allow a violent thug to live in their homes?
Silver bullets next time, officer.
Slightly more seriously: look for the Soros-funded community agitators. If they fly in today the situation is going to escalate. The responses in Ferguson, Baltimore and elsewhere, when loud, have been coordinated from the outside. That includes the media manipulation. If this hits national media, particularly with the same formula as before (grieving family on a soft news show like Today, rallies at the site with on-site media tipped off, big early talk of a lawsuit, Al Sharpton, etc) then it’s important to see if the usual instigators are doing it again.
They are trying hard to build it.
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Hundreds-gather-to-protest-police-shooting-in-Olympia-304671291.html
I hear Mosby is flying out to consult with the DA, planning to charge the grocer with 2nd degree murder and false arrest on the basis that the unreasonable and racist allegations of theft created the situation.
“Both men [the suspects] are expected to survive”
Does that mean that they will eventually be back on the street and will have another opportunity to harm innocent people? If convicted, I hope they stay in jail until they are too old and feeble to harm anyone.
Staying in jail, they eat, sleep, and get care paid for by the taxpayer. Back on the street, they stand the chance of being killed by their own, thus relieving the taxpayers of further burden.
“Shortly thereafter, however, the two men emerged from the woods and once again confronted Donald. It was at this time that the second man received those multiple torso hits.”
Clearly they were indignant at the injustice of police and shopkeepers preventing Innocent Young Black Men from exercising their natural right steal, assault, rape and murder. /not sarcasm, because I am sure that is exactly what they and many others are really thinking.
The fact that both came back for more confrontation seems to indicate LE should switch over to hollow points.
The LEO’s in Arkansas already do use hollow points. I know because I asked them because I wanted to carry the same thing in my CCW weapon.
Out here in the Seattle area, the memory of the murder of Demetri Andrews by one Timothy Strano, using a skateboard as a weapon, remains despite the thirteen years since the event.
It’s unsurprising that the ‘journalists’ at the Olympia paper, after years of intense repetition of the false narrative beginning with the Zimmerman case, eagerly called the perps ‘unarmed’. But neither is it surprising that a law enforcement officer would recall the Seattle skateboard murder, and react as he did when confronted with two perps armed with just that weapon.
I wonder if even the local activists are getting tired of this knee-jerk blame-the-police routine followed later by the news that most of the story was built on self-serving lies.
Trayvon Martin was shot Feb 26, 2012, while attempting to commit murder. Today is May 22, 2015, and in the interim, not a single, real case of criminal misconduct by police has hit the news. But, we have had demonstrations and riots based on allegations that have been proven untrue.
I originally thought the Freddie Gray case was likely to involve police misconduct, until I found out that a lot of these prisoners continue to act out after arrest, fake injuries, and do their best to endanger the officers, and incidentally, themselves. Police officers who have to deal with very much of this theater are less likely to recognize that a person has a genuine illness or injury.
Our press is so lacking in ethical standards as to run childhood pictures of criminals and refer to adults with their full growth as “children.”
I am done getting excited by any of these cases, until the full investigation is made and the forensic evidence is in.
Not true. There’s Walter Scott, for one. And there’s all kinds of misconduct documented here.
Walter Scott ran, resisted arrest, and fought against Officer Slager, possibly tasing him. Most likely, Slager will be found not guilty of any crimes or misconduct.
Does anybody know the meaning of the hand gesture that the criminal in the right-hand photo is making?
It means, “I’m cool, hip, and trendy, and possibly gay.”
Gang sign?
I just completed extensive research on your question (10 mins on google) and found 12,000 articles asking the same question and never determining the question. Some think it’s a positive gang sign: “we cool”. Some think it refers to the British version, which is a ‘f**k you’ sort of sign likely to cause problems in a pub. So I followed a link to a black cultural message board where urban blacks said it was basically made up by white kids trying to look gangster, but has no real meaning.
Here in Possum Holler, it means ‘two’.
I hail from Oly.
1- Oly is mostly white
2- This was 1 mile from the Evergreen state college. You know the fine institution the brought us Rachel Corrie.
3- There is a protest of some sort in Oly 24/7. If there’s not, it’s because they all went to Eugene or Seattle.
It’s mostly acne faced anarchists living in their parents basements or Evergreen students. These little twits go into a very new and nicely renovated rural waterfront park in a liberal haven and tag it all up with their circle A symbol and “F*** the cops” —–oh how brave, tough and disruptive. Geeze- why don’t they just wipe poop on the side of their grandma’s house.
“These little twits go into a very new and nicely renovated rural waterfront park in a liberal haven and tag it all up with their circle A symbol and ‘F*** the cops’…”
How would they feel if people were to spray their persons and their property with “F anarchists” or “I am a cretinous creep”? 🙂
Some would be delighted at the attention.
Some would experience an orgasm.
Nothing speaks more clearly than the voice of experience?
Hahahahahaahahahahaahaaa….. (breath)
… hahahahahaha. OK, I’m done.
heh heh rags has vandalgasms ??
My God, this is where we are at in this country, at this point in time? Every single time a black criminal has an interaction with a police officer necessitating the use of justifiable deadly force, the Left will attempt to fan the flames and exploit the situation, facts be damned, and it automatically becomes newsworthy? We are living in a farce-state where the Leftist Narrative must trump reality every time.
As Sheriff David Clarke eloquently stated before Congress last week an honest appraisal of relations between blacks and police today would first entail asking the seminal question of “why we need so much assertive policing in the American ghetto.” And that, of course, would entail anlyzing the toxic and deleterious consequences that decades of failed Leftist socioeconomic policies and corrupt/incompetent leadership have wrought on America’s urban areas. I can’t blame the Left — this isn’t a conversation that they want to have, ever, the record of failure is so apparent and indefensible.
By the way, examine the priceless distortion and oversimplification quote from the idiot quoted in the article, some local protest rabble-rouser: ““I take this seriously,” Reid said. “Black men are being shot, tazed and killed all over nothing. You don’t shoot people over beer. That’s not OK.”
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Well, these men weren’t shot for stealing beer, but, rather, for their belligerent and violent conduct to police responding to their theft of beer. But, hey, those are just silly details, right? Facts
They use logical fallacies, sometimes out of sheer stupidity, sometimes deliberately for obfuscation, much like when they said Michael Brown was shot for jaywalking, or for stealing cigars, or for being black — Brown was jaywalking/stealing cigars/being black, then he was shot, therefore he was shot for jaywalking/stealing cigars/being black. There’s no reasoning with those people.
I guess the buzzer on the dryer in the basement must not have gone off today, M1 is late with his “insights”.
Shhhh! 🙂
Be quiet! Or you’ll wake the little devil.
You should apologize. To the devils.
Speaking of Bwack Wives Mattering….Anybody know how Rev. Tawana Sharpton’s snakeoil daughter is doing on her $5-Million lawsuit against evil New York City for swayning her girlish ankle?? $50-Bucks says DeBlasio plans to see it gets paid,’Yo.
OOooops….”..spwayning..”
Loosee! You’ve got some spwayinin’ to do!
Seems like poor shooting to me. These m—–f—–s should be dead. Maybe the officer can get in some range time soon.
Most people being shot at don’t simply stand there like a silhouette target. It’s more like doing a combination of Moonwalking and The Funky Chicken at the same time.
Also, just because you get shot doesn’t mean you are going to die.
You are allowed to shoot to stop the immediate threat. If you happen to kill someone in the act of stopping the immediate threat, that’s not a problem. But extrajudicial execution of “bad guys” is not your GOAL, whether you are a law enforcement officer or a private citizen.