There isn’t going to be a vote tonight in the House, at least.
And it’s not clear what all the details are, but it looks as of this writing that taxes will go up on people making more than $400,000 individually or $450,000 as a couple. But beyond that, according to Rand Paul’s interview just moments ago, there may be more spending … that’s right, more spending and no spending cuts.
Paul said although he doesn’t like the tax portion, he might vote for it because it protects 99% of the people, but he’s not going to vote for a bill that includes more spending.
Here’s his speech from earlier in the day.
I never considered myself a Rand Paul fan (or enemy), but he seems to be one of the few people making sense right now.
Update 1-1-2013 – Senate passes massive tax cut which raised taxes over $600 billion in middle of night without reading the bill
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But beyond that, according to Rand Paul’s interview just moments ago, there may be more spending … that’s right, more spending and no spending cuts.
Better to go over the cliff.
Essential to make it clear it’s because of the spending, not the taxes.
If we had any reliable chance of controlling that messaging then I’d agree. But we don’t, that fight is better left to the debt ceiling.
Once taxes are off the table the debt ceiling is ALL about spending levels and living within the means established by those very tax rates.
But wait, there’s more! If you call 1(800) TAX-MORE within the next 30 minutes, yada, yada..
Obama’s Call for More Revenue Next Year Angers GOP Senators
http://cdn.rollcall.com/news/obama_wants_more_revenue_next_year-220427-1.html?popular=true&pos=hln&cdn_load=true
I prefer Rand Paul to his father, he seems more restrained and thoughtful.
OT. See ya’ Happy 2013 to all.
May we (WE MUST) come back stronger for that road ahead.
Lead on Professor J.
I’m just gonna become anti-irs. Does a national tax strike count as civi disobedience? Money is their language afterall and it’s even nonviolent.
I’m just gonna become anti-irs. Does a national tax strike count as civi disobedience? Money is their language afterall and it’s even nonviolent.
Account deficits devalue both capital and labor. However, as this is a progressive condition, and we do not have an operational budget, the fiscal cliff is actually a metaphor to be exploited by the administration to create leverage in negotiations.
There are three principle concerns with the progressive political model. First, disparate involuntary exploitation denigrates individual dignity and contributes to the devaluation of human life. Second, dissociation of risk, including through redistributive change, causes corruption of individuals and institutions. Third, monopolies, especially authoritarian, bypass the natural risk management model through competing interests, thereby acting as a principal driver of progressive corruption.
Normalization of abortion and other dysfunctional behaviors have contributed more to the collapse of the pyramid schemes which are entitlements and welfare than any other single cause. Presumably, this is the justification for defending and tolerating both excessive and unmeasured (i.e. illegal) immigration, which displaces men and women at work, children at school, and everyone who consumes society’s services. Men and women just want to have fun, but that cannot occur without consequences in reality.
Oh, and if we are to address our global military campaigns, then we must address the dysfunctional energy policy we are now pursuing. We cannot rely on technology to produce energy which cannot be reasonably isolated from the environment. We also cannot rely on “green” policies which are lies of commission, omission, or deception; whether it is shifted environmental and labor disruption, or tens of thousands of birds and bats failing to run the windmill gauntlet, or finitely available, consumable resources required by the technology. If Europe, China, or India want the natural resources in the Middle East or Africa, then they should be forced to cope with the corruption and conflict that pervades those domains.
It is dissociation of risk which causes corruption. It is dreams of instant gratification which motivates its progress.
Also, with rare exception, only individuals capable of self-moderating behavior are eligible to enjoy liberty.
I like Paul. I agree with most of what he said in fact and the remainder in principle. It is simply inane for adults to speak and act without integrity when discussing matters of life and reality. We need to speak plainly and on principles.
Eye surgeon Bashar is doing better at his second job than Rand is at his.
Assad is at least putting up a decent fight .
It is wholly classless and without merit to attempt to draw any analogy between Rand Paul and Bashar Assad.
I agree. Hillary said that Bashar is a R E F O R M I S T .
Rand Paul not so much.
They won’t care if you don’t pay your income tax – they’re already printing trillions – they’re not going to even notice that you didn’t pay “your fair share” 🙂
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“taxes will go up on people making more than $400,000 individually or $450,000 as a couple” Doesn’t this penalize MFJ filers.Lets say the husband makes $250,000 and wife $200,000 and they file MFS or one could file HOH their taxes still go up, and they lose some deductions.They will need to prepare their returns both ways to see which has better outcome. They are still going to hurt a lot of small businesses.
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The Republican voters in Kentucky selected Rand over Mitch McConnell’s boy, Trey Grayson. That surprised some as Mitch is liked here in KY and odds are he’ll serve as long as he wants to.
But, there is an independent, conservative streak here in KY and it gets expressed during the Republican primary season. Rand was endorsed by Jim Bunning and Bunning is well thought of in the commonwealth. Unlike Mitch, with his tendency to go the “lets make a deal” route, Bunning was regarded as a guy who stood on principle.
That conservative streak was also shown in Kentucky’s 4th district when we picked Thomas Massie over six other Republican primary opponents. Mitch McConnell endorsed no one in the primary, but Massie was endorsed by Rand Paul and Jim Bunning. That didn’t hurt and Tom Massie went on to stomp the Democrat’s candidate with 62% of the vote in the general election.
He also won the special election to replace retiring Geoff Davis. Massie then showed us that we made the right choice when he became one of the 13 who stopped Boehnor’s Plan B.
We Kentucky conservatives have high hopes for both him and Rand Paul.
… but Massie was endorsed by Rand Paul and Jim Bunning”
I got that wrong. Bunning endorsed one of Massie’s Republican opponents, the establishment’s choice, Alecia Webb-Eddinton. I remember now that at the time I was surprised by that.
Like most of the people on this site, I was a Newt supporter in 2012. I liked him because he was both intelligent, willing to challenge the establishment, but was also sensible as he was Speaker in the past and knew what was realistic. I never even considered supporting Ron Paul, while agreed with his economic policies, I hated his blame America first, Kucinich allied foreign policy. Looking at 2016, I think Ryan is way too much in bed with the establishment, I’ve only heard generalities out of Rubio (and the fact that big government republicans like Bill Kristol support him scares me). Most of the rest are pretty much RINO’s of one flavor or another. And the vast majority of all the 2016 hopefuls have been silent throughout the fiscal cliff negotiations, when we really need them most. That is why I’m now supporting Rand Paul. He’s sensible, believes in our constitution and is willing to be the tip of the spear in the fight against tyranny.
http://jews4randpaul.blogspot.com/
http://libertarian-neocon.blogspot.com/
Rand Paul is the only Washington politician I trust.
He’s immune to the madness afflicting the left and the RINOS.
He doesn’t give a rat’s behind about pleasing our ruling class masters, being invited to D.C. cocktail parties, or getting on Meet the Press.
President Rand Paul. He’s our only hope, if we have four years.