Via Times of Israel:
Egypt will release results from disputed presidential elections Sunday, the country’s top elections commission official said — an announcement that will put an end to the country’s nerve-wracking uncertainty about who is the official winner, but promises no end to the power struggles between Islamists, the military and other factions.
A gathering of secular-leaning politicians criticized on Saturday what they said was US meddling on behalf of the Muslim Brotherhood, which has claimed victory. Other secularists have stood behind the Islamist group, calling it the likely legitimate winner and the best hope in the current circumstances against continued military domination of the country….
The Islamist group has compiled what it says is a detailed breakdown of election results proving Morsi’s victory. Brotherhood leaders have called their followers to Cairo’s Tahrir Square, the birthplace of the 2011 uprising that overthrew Mubarak. Along with some secular-leaning activist groups, the protesters have vowed “a new revolution” if Shafiq is the winner, claiming that a loss would prove that election fraud was orchestrated by the military.
Meanwhile, the ruling generals accused Islamists of stirring tension and threatened to crack down on any violence by any group unhappy with election outcome.
I wonder if Obama’s Google Guy is anywhere to be found.
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“I wonder if Obama’s Google Guy is anywhere to be found.”
The Islamists stoned him for public nudity.
He was caught in a public telephone booth attempting to change into what appeared to be a burka with a large “G” emblazoned on it.
“the protesters have vowed “a new revolution” if Shafiq is the winner,”
You mean a small percentage of people who watched people get what they wanted when they rioted and took over a country, are now willing to riot and take over the country if they dont get exactly what they want?
…who in the world could have seen this one coming…
That is a sentence to contemplate…
And then go make yourself a good strong drink.
Never mind the veracity of the claim, the mere fact that it is remotely possible that the U.S. could be involved with these savages (ask Lara Logan how she was treated) is cause for rational Americans to hang their heads in shame.
For the first time in my adult life I am ashamed of my country because it feels like tyranny is regrettably making a comeback.
Perhaps we can send word through some back channels that if the Egyptians can hang on until January we can give them a really good deal on a used president and first lady. They have been lightly used and very well maintained – clean and articulate, even.
How bad will it get…?
Either VERY bad, or…
Egyptians will just knuckle under, and give up on “revolution”.
I actually hope for the latter, as the military at least SEEMS to be resisting the Islamization of their nation.
Fact is, the Egyptian military will not take orders from the Brotherhood.
It is my view that they thought they could compromise with the Brotherhood, giving them reign over civilian society–implemented all their cute little sharia laws in an effort to stabilize the population.
Handing them the keys to the American trained and equipped military–the largest and most modern of any in Arab lands–was never on the table.
It seems the Brotherhood has given the Egyptian brass two choices:
-go to war with Israel
-go to war with itself
not going to be pretty either way….
“U.S. meddling on behalf of the Muslim Brotherhood”…. Sigh. Is there any terrorist anywhere that Obama is not in bed with? I think he seems himself as the 12th or is it the 13th imam who’s gonna bring about … what? The destruction of Israel? Everything seems to be oriented towards that.
We Americans have lost our will and nerve in the morass of political correctness. God before, we will rue the day we ever re-elect a Muslim terrorist sympathizer to govern the U.S.
Not content with Obama, some poll says Americans are willing to elect an atheist! That is definitely a winning the future idea.
Have we been so seduced by the Commie claptrap about legislating morality that we actually believe that people govern without regard for whatever core interests or values they have?
So, we will swing from a terrorist symp who is waging war on Christianity to a fool who will seek to quash every mention of God. Imagine the National Day of Prayer, Hanukkah, Christmas, Easter with a fool (only a fool says there is no God) in the WH.
We will deserve the darkness that we will get.
Probably about 12 years ago l reupholsterd some furniture for a Copt family who had come over from Egypt several years before. At the initial estimate they were very suspicious & skittish. By the time we finished the whole job they had opened up & told me things they had probably told no one else in this country. l have had that happen a number of times on extended jobs with people from other troubled areas of the world. These people invariably feel somewhat isolated in America because we are so self absorbed & dont have time for simple conversation. We look on them as ‘Other’ ,we are uncomfortable with them ,we don’t listen. We Americans have largely led an indulged life of privilage. lf the left , or any American thinks that is a given ; they are fools.
exactly the opposite is true, and that is the same backwards logic that creates the issues we see flamed constantly by liberals – victomhood.
The people you refer to were stand-offish until they werent, at which point they had no issue. Had they not been suspicious in the first place, there would have never been an issue.
A scenario: White Male walks into a party of some 200 other White people he has never met, all of them are chatting with eachother as if they are longtime friends. With everyone preoccupied in their groups, no one takes notice of the strangers arrival
Think the White Male is going to be comfortable? The answer is almost certainly no in most all cases. Such a person will most likely have a difficult time striking up conversations unless he relaxes completely and just goes about trying to put himself into conversations with zero expectations. If he focuses on a feeling of rejection, he will most likely be treated as an outsider.
The only thing is, this White Male doesnt have the fallback victomhood of bigotry claims – he is left merely with the “they dont know me” reality he faced.
Now replace “White Male” with “Muslim” or “Black” or “Gay” or “Hispanic” or “atheist” or on and on, and all of a sudden its “racism” or “homophobia” or “bigotry” or whatever victomhood excuse people toss around to excuse away their feelings of rejection or difficult times
Having worked around Middle Easterners (as well as other minorities) for quite some time I can tell you the absolute only ones I have met that ever have any difficulty are those who treat themselves differently, holding an outsider or victomhood mentality. If a person chooses to feel out of place, they will become out of place; its a self-fulfilling prophesy.
One can always find an issue if they are looking, and the reality is, no person on the planet goes thru life without a few uncomfortable situations. What makes the person is how they go about their life afterward. If you choose to make excuses or play the victim after such a situation, and you insistently carry that scar forward, then you will get exactly what you are apparently looking for – your rejection, and victim status.
You meet them on your territory by your terms in a professional job or social capacity. Your response shows a defensive ; l dont know what i’m (me) talking about attitude i’m quite familiar with. l dont seek to be confrontational over this but l have crossed swords with your type my whole life. l also am white ,the son & grandson of Judges & a banker. The door was wide open to follow your path & go along to get along. l chose to live in the dirt of the real world & have damn well paid the price. l confronted the govt. 40 years ago & have been involved with other confrontations with the status quo my entire life. l dont know your history so l will refrain from comment on it. When l refer to your type l refer to the general. l became involved with the GOP 6 years ago . the T Party at its inception. l have a wealth of knowlege you late arrivals have never chosen to draw on because it lies outside your box & comfort zone. You dont like what you cant control. l attempted to work thru your channels for years & got nowhere. Over the last 1 1/2 years l have gone back to doing what l do & made far more inroads in the local minority community than the local GOP ever has. l am they. The GOP is afraid of them because they are other. You sir , are 180 out.
“I am they -the GOP is afraid of them because they are other’.
You are not they. This ‘other’ thing is a term that means FA.
Regarding the Copts , I would not immediately be comfortable around them myself. I will bet you $5 that the women were genitally mutilated to the preferred pharaohic style.
Heavens even Mohammed himself said FGS don’t cut that much off.
You are a gullible fool.
l come from strictly white stock. My children the same. My grandchildrens from their other heritage are hispanic & black. l live on acreage among poor white trash & mexicans in the country. You would not like it. Your judgement & bigotry to others of whom you know nothing as individuals is breathtaking. l suspect it spreads to many of those that are “other” than your comfort zone. l will not reciprocte with namecalling as that generally suggests your position rests on sand. Your tone validates the point of my initial post.
Yeah Yeah Yeah. This post is about Egypt not about your family or buddies. You put in the Egyptian Copt thing & I said they mutilate their girls.I see othing admirable about them.
That $5 is still on offer.
First, my response might have seemed “defensive” to your obviously extremely judgmental mind, but it was not in the least. My response was simply the truth in the face of a nonsensical statement. (and does not constitute you passing judgement on “my type” unless you, of course, mean people who value responsibility and respectability in others)
One perceives themselves to be treated in the way they choose to think they are treated – period.
If a person wants to play the victim constantly, they can micro-analyze everything looking for things to claim victimhood over. If you want to never be responsible for anything in your life, you can always find someone or something to blame. We are literately watching this on steroids from our current President
The people you describe shut you out, later stating its because others shut them out. They preemptively play the victim, but are merely the victim of themselves. It happens millions of times a day, with Democrats and Activists making a living off of finding new ways to point out how everyone is really always a victim and never truly responsible for anything.
And no, it has very little to do with a persons surroundings – if you lived in an area with a huge minority population (which I doubt you do since you seem so out of touch and judgmental) then you would realize that you can quite often find extreme fluctuation within even individual families. I can literally point out at least 5 such families, where one child will hold an extreme ‘victimhood of everyone around them’ mentality, while another kid or two will be some of the most social people you can find. Their situations are nearly identical, its only their mind-states which vary. One harps on negativity and lacks self-awareness, one embraces life and doesn’t pass judgement on others. The supposed victim is usually miserable, the other blissful
Truth is, any single one of us can even run a very simple experiment of it if we like. Go into, say, an Amish community and act as though you distrust Amish people and find them foolish for living as they do. Dont strike up conversations, just stand around going about your own business in the middle of their community as if they arent even there. How much you want to bet it will feel as though they are shutting you out? But go to another such community afterward and show them respect, you will find them to be some of the single most respectful people in the entire world. The disparity wouldnt be in them, it is within you
Your world is what you make it to be, and the way you are treated is based off your actions and attitudes. The people you describe were treated as outsiders because they choose to be seen as outsiders. People who choose to shut out the world not only get what they want, but honestly deserve to have the world shut them out; they should have no claim to victimhood.
I do find it extremely sad that you make claim to being a TEA Party participant though, you seem to have zero sense of accountability, with an odd sense of excusing behavior through victimhood and overall judgmental attitude towards others (especially “your type” “Americans” who you apparently feel just run around treating minorities poorly while going about our “self-absorbed” lives of “privilege” — statements generally heard from the likes of Sharpton or Wright, not Palin or Briebart)
I would also like to comment on this though
“l have a wealth of knowlege you late arrivals have never chosen to draw on because it lies outside your box & comfort zone. You dont like what you cant control.”
Wow, quite arrogant and narcissistic you seem.
More importantly though, its an ironic statement from someone who apparently feels people cant control how others react to them and therefore are justified in distrusting, resenting and/or shutting others out.
…But what do I know, in your mind I am probably just “poor white trash” who you obviously feel cant stack up to your superior knowledge.
Darkstar – Barnaby: Goodness! l check Lonely Conservaive figuring the whole thing is pretty well done to find our dustup has bled over & the 2 of you have gone off chasing down rabbit trails that dont even exist. All of my posts stand on their own & l wont repeat them. You keep pushing a $5 uncollectable & unvarifiable bet. l simply stated experiance & opinion which was on topic as the copts date to Egypt for 2 millenium. They & other Middle East Christians are under assault as never before & you launch an attack on them. Where does that come from? l never once use the term victim & you go on a rant with it. l dont use the term as it is demeaning. l certainly dont see myself as one. You seem hung up on the term. You put words & thoughts to me l never expressed. Might l suggest you are projecting? You both sound angry , l am amused as l have ridden this horse a number of times in dealing with (warning: the coming term will piss you off) leadership class eletes. l really dont know that you are but using it seems in the spirit you are both inclined to go. l really wasnt looking for this dustup but when attacked l will engage. l apologize for having this fight on your porch Professor but it may draw a crowd. Fights usually do. . . PS lf you guys are inclined to continue , mocking my spelling usually comes in fairly soon. l’m pretty well done.
To Secondwind -Who is Barnaby ? I have been to The lonely conservative only once & did not get it.
The point I may have explained better is…
Why must Americans & the anglo countries of Canada Australia & New Zealand always be the ones at fault ? Who is it that is taking the world’s refugees & escapees from troubled & down right stupid countries decade after decade ,century after century.? Who is providing the opportunities ? Egypt -no. Mexico -no.
And Why are we the bad guys ? And why do the Copts keep mutilating their girls even in the west. When it gets banned they send them back to egypt for the ‘surgery”.
If these communities are still outsiders then perhaps there is a reason . There are other immigrants eg Koreans doing very well & yes they have had a bad run for centuries also. But as Dark Star says -there are optimistic & rather fun peoples who are not victims.
Bannedby – Darkstar: To your points aside from the personal. l point out l tried to avoid that thru several disclaimers. l do admit the occasional poking of a stick for my own amusment & apologize for that. . . l largely agree with most of your points with these footnotes. Back in my youth there was a book: The Ugly American. lts premise was Americans journeying into other cultures & thoughtlessiy blundering about being Americans. We do a boatload of good in the world , no dispute. We are also capable of being that other America & that can bring on resentments. l believe largely in minding ones own business. . . l’m not open to others putting words or thoughts into my mouth when l didnt express them. ln my experiance others putting their own interpretation onto anothers words without trying to arrive at a true understanding of what that other person was trying to express brings about unneeded dispute. . . ln an earlier post l already went into the use of victim. l strive for a sovereign individual citizen responsible for their own actions with minimal govt. interface. Leftyworld is an abomanation to me. . . l am done with this. We have imposed entirly too much on the Professors hospitality with this topic. My apologies Professor.
Guess you could say, everyone Mufti’d this up, eh?
“How bad will it get?” Bad enough to have Israel invade and occupy the Sinai Peninsula again. Whether this is due to an attack by the Egyptian Army, or a response to the Egyptian Army allowing terrorists to operate there with impunity is the only question I see. When, and not if.
And if the Syrian rebels oust Assad don’t expect them to be friends of Israel.
I am so glad that I don’t live in Egypt, Syria, Libya, Tunisia, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, Iran, Turkey, Sudan, Algeria, well, you get the picture, right now.
The Egyptians do not have a clear run in the Sinaii .
This is owned by the Bedouin who would not be ken to lose their lucrative Gaza trade nor the Resorts Protection tariffs.
Once Egypt falls under the radical Islamists, how long will it be until the figures on temple Abu Simbel, at Luxor and the Sphinx are destroyed for ‘religious’ reasons? Of course, they’ll also have to purge the Cairo Museum of all those kaffir artifacts and purify all the other museums and antiquities.
Thank God the British hauled away so many archeological pieces and treasures from Egypt, Persia and the other Arab states. Theft? Perhaps it appeared so at the time, but I’d hardly call it that now, considering radical Islam’s record of destroying museums and archeological treasures.
Welcome back to the 7th Century, morons!
No they will not dare. For one Tourism provides up to 30% of income. Secondly there are local tribes who have been there since the Pharaohs .
I think Egypt is like USSR where Moscow was barely holding onto to the regions. It is not a given that Cairo will keep power over its regions without Mubarek’s USSR type controls.
Don’t bet on it. Radical Islam doesn’t want tourists and their decadent western ways. They desire a pure, Islamic state. Period.
Absolute ignorance, driven by a slavish devotion to dogma, knows no moderation, no restraint and no depth.
But without this money -all foreign exchange – Cairo cannot continue to impose its will.
I hope you’re right, but dastardly destitute despots all over the middle-east do okay without tourists. Yemen, Sudan and Chad come to mind…
There may still be a chance that the outcome will not be a total disaster.
From Egypt Independent:
The Tagammu Party, Free Egyptians Party, and Democratic Front Party have announced that they and other parties are forming a coalition to “protect Egypt from theocratical despotism and the revival of the former regime.”
Full article is here: http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/civilian-forces-form-bloc-against-religious-despotism-former-regime