Special Prosecutor Press Conference
Developing Story via Fox News: Zimmerman is in custody and, according to AP sources, will be charged with 2nd-degree murder.
More details and official charges to follow during scheduled 6pm press conference with Special Prosecutor Angela Corey.
UPDATE (ongoing):
Some notable quotes from Special Prosecutor Corey at the press conference:
“We do not prosecute by public pressure or by petition. We prosecute based on the facts of any given case, as well as the laws of the state of Florida.
“We did not come to this decision lightly.”
“When we charge a person with a crime, we are equally comitted to justice on their behalf, as we are on our victims behalf.”
“We will continue to seek the truth… There is a reason cases are tried in the court of law, and not in the court of the public, and not by the media.”
“Today.. [we charged] George Zimmerman with murder in the second degree.”
“George Zimmerman turned himself in.”
UPDATES — WAJ — thanks to Bryan for coverng the press conference for me. I’m in the car (not the one driving!) and the Verizon Wireless connection is good, but not great for live streams while traveling. But, I did get to listen to almost all of the press conference on radio.
We learned nothing new about the facts of the case. What irked me was to hear the prosecutor thank the Martin family attorneys — that seems a little close for my liking in a prosecutor, and in fact the Martin family attorneys have acted irresponsibly in the media as I have addressed before.
I saw on Twitter that the Martin family held a press conference with Al Sharpton by their side, but I didn’t get to see it. Although Zimmerman now is charged, and the case is in the courts, I expect the Martin family attorneys, Sharpton, and others continue to work the case in the media from a racial angle and to inflame passions in the community as a means of tainting the jury pool.
For the prosecutor to embrace the Martin family attorneys with thanks at the press conference, and for AG Eric Holder verbally to praise Sharpton today, tells me that a case which should be about facts of who did what to whom is going to turn into an even bigger racial narrative for a variety of purposes which have nothing to do with the guilt or innocence of the accused.
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Comments
What’s the line on whether Zimmerman will survive to stand trial? He’s been hiding out to avoid being killed until now and now he’s in a county jail somewhere in Florida which has only ‘White Hispanic’ jail guards? Doubtful. Next headline will be that he was killed in jail by persons unknown.
Irrational fears aside, I wonder what evidence the special prosecutor found that overcomes the physical evidence of an assault by Martin on Zimmerman and that Zimmerman was crying out for help? That makes out the affirmative defense of self-defense (the nonsense about Florida’s SYG law is nonsense, because it doesn’t apply) which should have prevented his being charged. Maybe his new lawyer will handle the wrongful arrest and prosecution suit against the county and the state.
The “evidence” is the mob, incited by Obama and the rest of the race industry.
This is really a setup (that isn’t a slam dunk but pretty close).
This is merely a repeat of the process that the police went through and then released him, but this time with a jury. From all the evidence available to the first prosecutor, Zimmerman can beat a 2nd degree murder charge (but possibly not a lesser charge). I fully expect at the end of the process that Zimmerman will walk.
The fact that Zimmerman was in custody immediately tells me that he may have suggested this course of action. It serves him in that it calms things down, makes the evidence do to the talking (not the press or Rev. Al), and leaves him a course to where he can be seen in public again with a more remote likelihood that he will be gunned down. I say more likely because some will not be satisfied if (and probably when) he is acquitted.
I thought about that, too, but it’s a very risky prospect. The jury may be afraid to turn in a not-guilty verdict or, if they are brave enough to do so, we know how the militant/crazy segments of the race-baiters club reacts when a verdict doesn’t go their way. He would be free but his life would still be in danger, IMO.
don’t forget there is a separate DISTINCT DOJ investigation going on too.
good old holder needs his pound of non-colored flesh to satisfy his people.
In a press conference yesterday, G.Z.’s ex-lawyer said that there were multiple pieces of forensic evidence that have not been revealed publicly and that ALL OF THEM supported G.Z.’s version of events.
Add this to the voice stress test, a solid eye witness who saw G.Z. on the ground under T.M., no eyewitnesses to the moment when the combatants met.
Add that to the initial decision of the Seminole county Prosecutor’s office to decline to press charges based on lack of evidence.
It seems justice was done, but rejected by Tracy Martin, who then contacted fellow Shriner Ben Crump.
Crump contacted former associate and demagogue Al Sharpton and the media to effectively whip up mob sentiment in order to terrorize the higher authorities in the justice system into dragging G.Z., and the nation, through hell.
All to perpetuate Tracy Martin’s denial and hope a different version of justice be declared for his son.
And because they can.
Ben Crump didn’t get into this to help an old friend in denial. He’s in it because he smells a buck.
I didn’t say they were old friends. Tracy Martin is the Grand Master of his local Eastern Orient Mason lodge. I opine that when he ran his concerns about injustice up the food chain to the regional Grand Poobah, he was referred to fellow Shriner Ben Crump from the Tallahassee lodge.
Ben Crump shows clear signs of racial bigotry, but I surmise he enjoys a big payday just like any hustler.
Yep. One doesn’t take the steps the Martins have unless it’s for blood money.
I think it’s the GF’s statement, which has been controlled solely by Crumb, the Martins’ attorney and who is also the GF’s attorney.
I think she has made a statment which puts incriminating words in Zimmerman’s mouth when the fight started and possibly claims that Zimmerman drew first blood, according to what she might claim she overheard with Trayvon with whom she was supposedly speaking. She can say pretty much anything she likes or is coached to say. She has refused to talk to the police all along, at least as of last week. The only statement she gave was through the Martin’s attorney, at least as of last week or so.
I continue to wonder why she didn’t call the police if she thought Trayvon was in danger.
I’ve been wondering if defense is possibly thinking waiving extended discovery (I can’t remember the actual terms) and pushing for a trial date asap has something to do with the oddities of last 2 days.
can’t put my finger on why but the atty’s and action sof last few hours seem odd.
I dunno, just thinking out loud with no proof or knowledge of specifics.
pontificating..pondering…will be interesting.
wonder if they will file for exemption to FL sunshine law and prevent cameras, etc.
I think Breitbart described the prosecutor as “gleeful.” This is not about justice, in the same way the Duke prosecution was not about it. It’s about feeding the beast. This can’t have a good ending.
Nope. It will not have a good ending for one undeniable reason: the “jury pool” is tainted. It needs chlorine now, but no clean-up will ever happen.
And then, if the jury rules in his favor, what do you think this POS U.S. Atty General will do? He will press Federal charges of “violating civil rights” or some b.s. of that kind.
Zimmerman was an idiot to give himself in. He should have left the country -with his family – while he still had time. He knows that in here, no matter what the verdict or the charges, he’s a dead man walking. His enemies will make sure of that.
Besides Corey’s gushing over the Martins and their attorneys, there was a strange passage in her dissertation about not having the power to compensate the Martins, her “constitutional victims”, financially for their loss but she can bring them justice…blah….blah. That struck me as a very strange thing for a criminal prosecutor to even mention…..except that she knows the “African-American community” is out for blood and want to see the Martins hit a payday. It was just totally inappropriate and off the wall. It seemed as though she wanted to seem God-like and emphasize herself as the power-center in all this.
http://newsone.com/2001898/george-zimmerman/
Zimmerman’s attorney termed her “professional”.
Which seems to be the preponderant opinion of the lady.
She enjoys what she does. ZOMG…!!!
All we have to go on is her performance to date, which has been anything but professional.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1r-idmJTK3I
You listen to that carefully, and with an open mind (impossible for some of you), and see if you hear anything that RATIONALLY you have a problem with.
Corey made statements the other day revealing bias toward the Martin’s side of the coin, with no counterbalanced mention of the Zimmerman’s plight.
Paraphrasing, she indicated the most important thing for her was to help bring justice for Trayvon and his family.
She also lamented the public scrutiny and exposure claiming that this made her job more difficult.
Considering that justice was already done, and ignored by the Martin family, and Mr Martin appealed to Crump and his demagogue associate Sharpton who enlisted the biased media and even more biased Federal executives to invoke a mob mentality in the populace that would surely pressure the Governor to let pandora fully out of the box by ignoring the initial findings and sending in a bulldog prosecutor….
How dare she complain. She seemed to revel in the spotlight well enough.
Well said. I would add that Corey seemed to also revel in her bias at today’s presser. She seemed to flaunt it, making wholly unnecessary and inappropriate statements about the “sweet” Martin parents and their wonderful, helpful attorneys that she has maintained daily contact with.
The “sweet” Martins would still have their son if they’d stayed home to discipline him over his school troubles instead of leaving him unsupervised while they went out on the town until the wee hours.
RATIONALLY this sent chills up my spine:
(at about the 2.30 mark)
“We will lead this effort to seek justice for Trayvon”
Joy, what do you think prosecutors DO…????
Hi Rags,
The comment about seeking “justice for Trayvon” did not sit well with many attorneys that I know who heard the comments. It was unprofessional at best on the part of a prosecutor who should KNOW better with a case this potentially charged. The prosecutor attempted to mitigate through her later comments, but the damage was done.
It is not to seek justice for an individual, but simply to do justice (whatever that happens to be).
It wasn’t her only Nifong moment, either.
Side note: You forgot the “TM” after using “Justice for Trayvon”, noting that the phrase has been trademarked by the “sweet” parents.
Don’t be surprised if a process server turns up at your door with a $uit for compensation filed by the Martins for having used one of their trademarked phrases.
I wish that they would. I’d slap them with a Rule 11(b)(2) sanction for filing a motion wholly without merit (aka frivolous) because the legal contention would be unwarranted under existing law. This blog obviously qualifies as discussion of news and current events.
I’d get to make a lot of money off the sanction, and very quickly make a name for myself by publically embarrassing a much higher profile attorney.
They don’t hold press conferences with a feces-eating grin on their faces unless they just captured Jack the Ripper.
I spoke too soon – I should have known it wouldn’t take you long to start labelling anyone who disagrees with you as incapable of rational thought.
Wow…!!! Read what I said again.
If you RATIONALLY find stuff you disagree with, state it.
But listen to BOTH statements from BOTH attorneys. I think you’ll find that you have two professionals doing their jobs in a system that works.
That depends upon what Rag’s definition of “works” is.
Did the system work when the State atty from the Seminole county prosecutor’s office declined to charge G.Z. for lack of probable cause after their investigation with the Sanford PD found none?
Justice was done. The system worked. So why second guess the system?
This isn’t an event, but a process.
There are SEVERAL points in MOST investigations when charging is decided.
The process was over. The “appeal” circumvented the system, and propriety, by using an incited mob and a biased, powerful, agenda driven federal administration in order to blackmail the Governor to take action.
The governor then spurned his state attorney in Seminole county, cast doubt on the professionalism of the Sanford PD (without cause), and sent George Zimmerman to the wolves.
An event indeed. It is now a circus.
“So why second guess the system?”
Lemme guess. Because the “African-American community” wants yet another pund of “white” flesh and wasn’t getting it?
Nobody wants to read your crap a second time. You really are dumber than a bag of hammers if you believe what you’re saying.
I watched the whole video of the prosecutor’s statement linked above. I’m mostly in agreement with you (Ragspierre) on this one. It’s clear that Corey loves the limelight, but I’ll go out on a limb and say that’s probably not unusual in prosecutors (or defense attorneys) at her level of the profession. Most of the time, though, I’ll agree that she was very professional and doing her part of the job in our legal system, which is adversarial by design. The prosecutor is supposed to take the side of the victim, what she referred to as “the Constitutional victim”, in this case which is undoubtedly Trayvon Martin. Beyond her smiling for the camera at the beginning and every once in a while thereafter, she just seemed to be doing her job.
It’s not realistic to expect a prosecutor to get up and focus on how horrible things have been for the accused, George Zimmerman, even if she believes that to be true.
Now, it’s up to George Zimmerman’s attorney to do his job. Based on the brief bio provided earlier, it seems like he should be able to hold up his end at least as far as the legalities go. As to the circus being organized by Sharpton, Holder, and the rest, who knows?
You may not have been privy to recent statements Corey made which add context and cast further doubt on the genuineness of her performance today.
She was much less measured in her one-sided advocacy for the plaintiff. Pandering and prejudiced come to mind.
I only saw what was in the linked video for the prosecutor’s original press conference. Nothing surprising, except maybe a little excessive with the mugging for the camera. She’s supposed to be an advocate for the one who is officially the victim so advocacy is not a surprise to me. Imagine a different case, say David Westerfield who was charged and convicted of kidnapping and murdering a little girl. I imagine the prosecutors were strong advocates for the victim in that case. Ditto for the O.J. prosecutors. It’s their job.
For the defense, I really liked what I saw from Zimmerman’s new defense attorney. I thought he handled his press conference extremely well, especially considering he doesn’t have much information yet. The guy seemed very calm, very measured, and very confident without being obviously full of himself. Does that mean he’s a good lawyer? Not in and of itself, but it seems like a promising start.
I know Ragspierre can tick people off some time, including me, but I think he’s being pretty reasonable on this thread. I think he’s right that the attorneys are just doing their jobs which is all we can hope for at this point.
The prosecutor is supposed to take the side of the victim,
Yes, but only after making up her mind that the defendant is guilty. If she’s charging him then she must have made up her mind; and the question in all our minds is what basis she could possibly have had for doing so. If she has some smoking piece of evidence that made her conclude that he’s guilty, then why didn’t she produce it? I can’t think of a good reason to sit on it. It’s not as if she can keep it secret and surprise the defense with it. So why not make it public at the press conference? That would have been a worthwhile exercise. But she didn’t, so I can only conclude that no such evidence exists. In which case how did she conclude that he is guilty?
She doesn’t want that evidence scrutinized any sooner than it has to be. If she’d let the GJ have the case, she would have had to reveal it if she wanted to get the indictment. It would have been scrutinized at that point. This way, she can keep it in her vest pocket until she’s forced to give it up. I don’t think this is a new trick for prosecutors.
The only missing voice in all this is the GF. All we know is that she claims to have been speaking to Trayvon just before the incident went down. Weeks ago, she was supposedly saying that she told Trayvon to run and he said no, he wouldn’t run. Then she went silent – totally disappeared from the radar. Then Crump says he has her recorded statement by telephone and will give it to the SP and nobody else, that she “connected the dots” and concluded that Zimmerman shoved Trayvon. Then, with no other incriminating evidence extant, we get the case pulled from the GJ, charges filed, and a statement from the prosecutor that, among her activities in the investigation, was daily communication with the Martins’ attorneys. The Martins’ attorneys have a financial interest in the case on their behalf and for the Martins. The SP also remarks at her very off presser that she is doing all she can to bring justice for Trayvon, blah blah but she can’t bring the Martins the financial compensation they desrve or something to that effect.
Interestingly, Zimmerman said that just before Trayvon approached him, he reached into his pants front and appeared to be pulling out a cell phone. Also interestingly, this girl who claims she was on the phone when the altercation started, didn’t call the police even though she concluded that Trayvon was being shoved.
Adding it all up, what I tentatively take away is that this protected “witness” “connected the dots” with some help from Mr. Crump, a recording setting forth the events as she “eventually” recalled them was made by an attorney with a financial interest in the case, the witness then goes off the radar, the attorney is very chummy with the prosecutor who then cancels the GJ and issues charges without revealing what the incriminating evidence is even though much of the other evidence, or lack thereof, is known, thereby giving grounds for civil suits. As a side issue, will the recording be released just a couple days before the election, with too little time left for scrutiny by the defense before the election?
Corey pecifically identified the Martin parents as the “constitutional victims.”
If you thought her calling the Martins “sweet parents” and smiling and gushing over them and praising their attorneys who started this media lust for blood and got all the race hustlers involved, is all okay and totally appropriate and professional, I’m sure both she and Mike Nifong would agree with you.
I’ll admit publicly that the praying with martin family statement she made struck me as very odd. It seemed out of place and seemed to imply a bias.
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This case is the end of our nation as we know it. Mob rule is being pushed and egged on by the highest levels of government.
You didn’t listen to the full presser of the prosecutor and the defense lawyer I posted immediately above, did you?
I spent a career in police work in Florida. Trust me, I saw this coming but hoped some courage would prevail. I was wrong. She didn’t want a grand jury because she couldn’t control it with certainty. Zimmerman was just thrown under the bus for the “greater good” which means everybody was CYA. Here is my post on the issue.
http://truthandcommonsense.com/2012/04/12/florida-politicians-and-lawyers-cya-choose-their-own-self-interests-over-one-mans-life/
A piece from it.
…This is as good as a time as any to remind you what my partner told me about lawyers. “They spend a hundred thousand dollars to go to law school in order to unlearn any common sense, ethics and morality they had before.”
And you see that now, in spades. Believe me, if Zimmerman gets convicted and everybody knows he was railroaded, the lawyers will sleep just as comfortably. They just don’t care.
They’ll beat Zimmerman up in the media again, convict him before the trial, intimidate the witnesses on his side, and then go to court to prove Zimmerman killed Martin intentionally, which is not what happened. (I feel sorry for the thirteen year old kid who saw Martin beating Zimmerman’s head into the ground. By the time the SAO gets done with him he’ll have a foggier memory.)
Assuming that what Zimmerman’s family is saying is correct, and the facts and witnesses support it, Zimmerman is the second victim in this situation. The first was not Martin, because he chose to act out, it is Justice.
I was told by a senior State Attorney in charge of the Felony Division once after I complained about the unfairness of their process that I didn’t understand the situation. She said, “Justice, injustice, right and wrong, good or bad, innocent or guilty have nothing to do with the law.” I remembered the statement for the rest of my career. The law exists for itself and is often used to protect those who hold power over it. …
Perhaps Shakespeare’s “Dick the Butcher” was right about what to do about lawyers.
As Milton Friedman taught me, “You have to compare something with something”.
If you hate your legal system, what would you replace it with?
Ditch the admiralty and commercial courts. Ditch the bar.
Reinstate Common Law Magistrates and Justices of the Peace, with classical attorney advocates.
For sure. Nothing is forever -& if there is a problem start looking around for alternatives. If you can’t find any think some up.
It is not as if William The Conquerer thought his orders would be fully intact 1000 years on.
Not like the famous South El Paso School of Law & Line Dancin. That is immortal.
Curious as to just what kind of crank you are.
Admiralty law is authorized in the Constitution.
Do they have groups of archaic legal re-enactors?
They were never meant to replace common law of the land courts wholesale, and you know it. Excuse my hyperbole, but British Social totalitarianism makes me cranky.
Dick the Butcher is a villain, who proposes killing the lawyers so they won’t be able to stop him and his gang from carrying out their criminal plot.
Ironically, Dick was led by his communist rabble rousing Idol ” Cade”to the right idea for the wrong reasons.
Taking the concept of “killing” to mean “dis-empowering” of course.
Not so. They were joking about an ideal world, sarcastically lamenting the destruction of a man caused by lawyers.
“The law exists for itself and is often used to protect those who hold power over it. …”
I’m working on my thesis on this something like this … but my college is just the school of hard knocks. The enclaves of power walk all over good people, and horse trade “favors” using clients as collateral … as I’ve seen it.
Piles of paperwork that are convoluted and twisted are used as a weapon. Preferred players that will deliver the money or grease the right wheel are never held accountable. People like GZ are routinely sacrificed as “non-players”.
Of course I’m in Illinois where our governors usually go to prison, and the Chicago way dominates … but I certainly relate to your point. My old friends here recognize the problem, but if push comes to shove, they chose to play along, or at least not stand up.
At higher levels there seem to be some that are genuinely concerned about rule of law. But on the day to day level it often never gets even to a judge, and even there odds are often stacked. But when it is occurring at higher levels like this, or the highest, we have serious trouble.
Very well said.
Poor George Zimmerman didn’t know any of that, though. He gave himself up to their system, cooperated with it, believed in it, and was cast to the wolves for his faith.
This is all so sick, so discouraging, and so bloody damned wrong.
Greta just covered it .. she and the Florida woman were pretty good, the two guys in studio were not. (IMO) Diana Tennis (criminal defense attorney) said this does not look like a SYG issue… but rather “I was lying on the ground and getting the poop pummeled out of me, and I grabbed my gun in desperation”. Self defense.
The first thing the black guy said was if it was Trayvon that had done the shooting he would have been arrested. So throw that guy out … except they need him for the racist point of view I guess. He seems clueless on every comment.
The other in studio guy says GZ can’t claim self defense because “he put himself in the situation, after everybody said, 911, don’t go there.” So he seems pretty confused too. Can’t they find people to interview that know as much as folks on this blog?
The second guy is usually pretty sharp. It was disappointing to hear him misquote the 911 tape.
Not only that – the SPD issued a statement early in the controversy that dispatchers are not LEOs, cannot issue a lawful police order, and Zimmerman didn’t disobey.
It’s on the City website, and has been for weeks now. Getting that wrong when you are on TV as an “expert” shows you are lazy and ignorant.
It also hows he’s not an expert.
Unlikely that they would be able to find people to interview that have even half the knowledge-base of the individuals on this blog, and even less likely that the media would learn anything from it.
I’m willing to bet a large amount of money that the prosecution attorneys involved in this case don’t have a clue about how Florida’s Castle Doctrine works and would have a difficult time explaining the nuances of how a “self-defense” defendant is or is not acting appropriately. Oh, they can (and will) make emotional appeals to a jury, because that’s how you win jury convictions; on emotion.
The long-and-short of it is that you CAN claim self-defense even IF you put yourself into the situation IF the other party escalated the situation beyond reasonable force. Thus, if Trayvon punched Zimmerman down, and then got on top of him and started beating his head against the pavement with Zimmerman screaming for help (as seems to be the case from the evidence released so far), Zimmerman could have RATIONALLY feared that Trayvon was going to kill him by beating his skull into the pavement (FL Title XLVI, Chapter 776, Section 776.08). That, right there, is sufficient for EITHER the Common Law Self Defense Doctrine (under FL Title XLVI, Chapter 776, 776.041) OR Florida’s Castle Doctrine to take effect (under FL Title XLVI, Chapter 776, 776.013(3)) for the purposes of “forcible felony.”
I may be wrong about this part, but I seem to remember that the standard of proof for Castle Doctrine or Self Defense purposes was preponderance (aka “more likely than not” or 50.1%) and the JUDGE makes the decision on whether the burden by the defense has been met (it’s an affirmative defense). Thus all Zimmerman has to prove is that he would have suffered “great bodily harm” had he not shot Trayvon in order to stop the battery that was occurring.
Levin had a GREAT short break-down of exactly what will have to be proved for a 2nd Degree Murder Charge. As it stands, the Prosecution is going to have a VERY difficult time on its hands unless there is some piece of forensic evidence that wholly and utterly contradicts the current evidence released thus far.
GZ doesn’t have to prove what would have happened, just convince the judge it was reasonable on his part to fear for his life. If the judge doesn’t dismiss, the jury might still believe him.
Before it gets to the point of presenting the affirmative defense (although some states require you declare this intent), the prosecution still has to present a case. Second degree requires malice be proven. If they don’t, the judge might dismiss with prejudice right then on the Murder 2 count at least.
The fact that malice must be proven is why I think the GF’s statement through the Martins’ attorney is in play in terms of the charging. She can say anything she wants to or was coached to say. As of last week or so, she was still refusing to speak directly to the police. Yet today Corey stated she was in daily contact with the Martin attorneys. Without some claim of verbal/ear evidence pointing to malice, it seems to me the most they could have charged would have been manslaughter.
All the G.F. can give is “earwitness” testimony with nobody to corroborate her version. Talk about hearsay.
As we know, Trayvon’s cell phone microphone may easily have picked up the entire vocal exchange between T.M. and G.Z., the same way the 911 call from inside a house picked up screams.
IF this was the only strong evidence that could indicate how the confrontation began, and Corey really needs it…
Since it is public knowledge that every word spoken by telecommunication is recorded and analyzed by NSA Echelon supercomputers using algorithms to flag suspicious patterns related to terrorism, is it a stretch to think that a cell recording could be subpoenaed for use in a court case?
It could be subpoenaed, but the feds don’t have to honor state court subpoenas and probably wouldn’t. They would never open that floodgate, even if they still had the call. I don’t think Echelon is strictly a U.S. venture, anyway.
I know nothing about it for sure, but logic tells me that all calls examined by Echelon would first be reviewed electronically, then electronically prioritized/categorized and then electronically discarded if irrelevant to Echelon’s interests (which probably isn’t listening to 17 yr.old NO_LIMIT_NIGGA yammering with his 16 yr.old girlfriend
).
Well said. This buttresses my evolving cynical conspiracy theory as to why Corey wouldn’t just let the grand jury handle the thing.
After all, originally the state attorney from the Seminole county prosecutors office declined to press charges citing no probable cause. And when the Sanford PD Chief kicked it back to them under pressure from the mob, they immediately convened the grand jury.
A grand jury who was set to rule the day before Corey disbanded them.
Add to this the fact that a sizeable amount of witness testimony and evidence has entered the public domain, including yesterday’s testimony by G.Z.’s ex legal team that the forensic evidence not made public was fully supportive of their client.
It is a strain to believe that somehow Corey found some silver bullet testimony or evidence that would negate the preponderance of what we already know.
So why take the burden and risk on herself AND go for Murder 2?? In Florida where a jury cannot settle for a lesser inclusive charge??
It is not a stretch for me to believe that powerful forces beyond the Governor have influenced the direction this “event” should take.
If you were really trying to play the mob, you would give them false hope with an arrest and the biggest charge, and then send them crashing back to rock bottom with an acquittal, and synchronize the timing to fit your needs.
A telling sign will be when the full trial schedule is announced.
some other “notable quotes” from corey were her repeated calls for “justice for trayvon” and her startling admission that she “prayed with the martin family” when she first met them. no mention of prayers or concern for george or the zimmerman family.
“no mention of prayers or concern for george or the Zimmerman family.”
Well, for the Zimmerman family, as it is said where I come from, “que les parta un rayo.” ["Might as well they'd be hit by lightning."]
Remember, he has been classified as “white”. Easier to hate that way…
Shwboating for the black vote she’ll need come November.
Look, you have to be an idiot to believe the SP was appointed due to any legal problem with the police or local prosecutor’s investigation and disposition of the case. It was political in its entirety, to avoid rioting by the mob.
I hope some good attorneys step up and help GZ. But his situation is another example of why talking to the police CANNOT help you. http://youtu.be/6wXkI4t7nuc
Murder 2? Really? I see six possibilities in order of probability.
1 – She’s deluded enough to think 12 jurors will vote for a conviction on this, or she has some sort of super-secret evidence that nobody else on the planet knows about.
2 – She thinks she can get a plea-bargain out of him by starting high and working down.
3 – She’s playing for time, a murder trial could take place *years* from now, and the Sharptons of the world may lose interest and wander off as the facts become known. At which time the charges can be quietly dropped and he can rejoin society, with no dirt on her shoes. Zimmerman on the other hand will have been dragged through the mud and well-mangled by the press and other predators by then, sucked dry of cash and thrown into yesterdays news.
4 – She’s shooting *too* high intentionally, so the case will be thrown out of court fairly fast. (somewhat like the trials of the police officers in the Rodney King beating who were originally charged with the equivalent of Attempted Murder)
5 – Politics. (Although I’m fuzzy on the details of how this is going to get anybody votes)
6 – Aliens (most likely)
If they’re going to prosecute Zimmerman for murder, why did they leave him run around loose for 45 days after the event? I would think/hope that a prosecutor who believes they have a case “beyond a reasonable doubt” of murder, would maybe…arrest the guy? There was even a question during the press conference that brought it up, and was promptly brushed off. Quite a few good questions really, and the most amazing tapdance from the SP worthy of a future politican. Not that I think she’s looking to use this as a stepping-stone. Really. Honest.
#2 if this charade was actually on the up and up.
#4 if the Men in Black (pun intended) gave her an order she could not refuse to foment roller coaster emotions in the mob leading to further racial division and likely riots.
#5 have your media spin doctor lackeys blame #4 on conservative republicans (including the foolish SP Corey who blew the case) and assure a broader voting base.
#6 Run the Fed Gov and de facto the whole show.
The thing is, there’s no telling what 12 jurors will do. They may well vote to convict him, either because they’re racists or because they’re afraid of a race riot if they don’t. That’s essentially why the second jury convicted the policeman who hit Rodney King six times too many, and his supervisor who didn’t stop him. (They acquitted the other two policemen, who only hit him as many times as they had to, and stopped when he stopped resisting.)
It’s also the reason the Oakland transit authority cop was charged and convicted.
Skinner is correct on the law. Zimmerman was well within his rights to kill Martin. Martin caused the potentially lethal contact by hitting Zimmerman and then pounding on him while on the ground. I’ve worked these cases, one blow can be lethal.
As for no grand jury, in my post I reason that it was not called to indict was it wasn’t going to, and that made the SP force the situation. All the parents wanted was an “arrest” according to Sharpton and their spokesman. SAO gave them the arrest. A grand jury would have kicked the case.
A jury trial will be tough for the prosecution. I worked a case where and older drunk man got into a fight with a younger man. He was dropped and then kicked in the head until he died by the younger guy. we arrested him for murder, SAO prosecuted the case. The jury found him not guilty. Their reason? The older guy started the fight and should have known the risks.
As to Martin knowing he was jumping an armed man, something he would realize if Zimmerman was aggressively stalking him, I’ll guarantee you Martin didn’t know. Bravery and courage are not synonymous with acting like a thug. Actually, “thuggin’” takes on a flavor more like what happened in Gainesville or Baltimore.
Since the NBC lout was found out, I think charges from the feds are unlikely. Especially, when it was discovered he’s not white, has black family and friends and didn’t pick Martin out by color. That’s good news. Unless of course, Obama needs to swing the minorities in Florida this fall, in which case, Zimmerman may be in more trouble.
Amazing how corrupt we have become. It is not even a straight line graph anymore, it is a “J” curve.
Obama won’t need to sway the black vote in FL this November. They’ll fall in line and follow their marching orders like always. He’s more likely to have trouble with the Hispanic vote, though.
People keep talking about how fomenting this case gives obama an advantage. I just don’t see it.
He has a broader agenda. You may be able to find some hints if you do some deep research, but I will give you the skinny.
Barry, his handlers and underlings have not struggled for 60 years to attain power just to be elected out.
There are powerful elements in the military complex who have decided not to allow Barry back in the Oval office, and may not even let it get to election day. Especially as Barry has initiated plans to unionize the military.
Barry knows of this unstoppable opposition, and though he will continue the facade of a campaign, votes mean nothing to him.
His primary goal is to create deep class divide, and deep racial divide, leading to nationwide unrest. Then his weather underground friends along with whoever and whatever they snuck across the mexi border will be used to cripple a city or three, setting the stage for executing martial law and REX 84.
The white hats are carefully monitoring the situation and if they need to they will move early to pre-empt such catastrophe. And if they cannot prevent it, they will slam an iron fist down to quash the rebellion quickly and decisively.
Okay, I just read about Rex 84.
Who are some wearing the white hats you speak of?
Hasn’t this claim about martial law been said about each administration for about the last thirty years or so?
To what eventual end does obama want to initiate martial law? To suspend the constitution so he can cancel the election? Besides fomenting racial strife, what other steps has he taken to lead us to the anarchy necessary to this plan? Ruining the economy? Or is that just a reflection of his marxist values and hatred for capitalism?
If you read the archives of the Ulsterman report, specifically each of the interviews from the past year of “White House insider” and “Wall street insider”, including the comments to each interview, that will paint a pretty good picture of the network of corruptocrats which Obama is a major player in, and their deeper agenda. Breitbart.com is playing catch up, though doing it admirably.
As for the white hats, they largely remain anonymous, are few and far between but have the ear and loyalty of well placed patriots, as well as friends in even “higher places” who have vested interest in the near term destiny of America, the center of light on this blue green jewel of a planet.
3 percent. David and Goliath. Watch the sky in July.
I hate to say this, but WH Insider/Ulsterman has been discredited as a fraud.
I think that if you think this through, charging Zimmerman with the most he can be charged with, and playing out the evidence in a public trial is the only way that both sides ever would be satisfied. It’s the jury that is going to be in the hot seat.
I’m sure the jury will be threatened and intimidated, but it really is poor George Zimmerman who is in the hotseat. He’s the one in true jeopardy now.
I wonder if George is seeing the error of his ways in voting for dimocrats. Even thoough Corey and the governor who appointed her are ‘pubs, it is black America and their supporting libtard handmaidens that have fomented this and put George where he is now, and they are 93% dimocrat.
Why should both sides be satisfied? What has satisfaction got to do with anything? It’s meant to be about justice, not politics. In any case, unjustly arresting someone and putting him through a trial is hardly satisfying for that person, is it?
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/on-the-record/index.html#/v/1557602002001/otr-legal-panel-the-trayvon-martin-shooting/?playlist_id=86925
that’s Greta on the case
seriously, there is no way he is going to get a fair trial cause if he did he would most likely be found not guilty and the rodney king crowd would riot in the streets and steal tvs and jewerly while doing it. this prosecutor needs to be disbarred for this nonsense. it is time to stop having to apologize for being non-black.
It is time to start fighting back.
There are a lot of blacks right now strutting their stuff and bragging about all the power they have now to put whitey in his place so we don’t fight back against their violent attacks. I read a bunch of their crap on several of their websites earlier tonight. Some of the idiots were bragging that this case is going to make “crackas” lose our guns so we can’t defend ourselves.
Al Sharpton at the press conference:
“And I think that that credit should go to the nameless, faceless people, black, white, Latino and Asian all over this country that put hoods on and said take another look at this, and that look has lead to where we are tonight.”
The South and the Democrats, of course, have a rich history of “nameless, faceless people” “that put hoods on” when they felt that legal authorities were not acting to their satisfaction.
How much damage will be done from the riots after he is found not guilty?
Kiss that white Spaniard’s ass goodbye. Now they will make sure they go to trial before election day.
If the law is squarely on Zimmerman’s side, as it seems to be given what we know, is the any chance that he would waive a jury trial and have the decision rendered by the judge? In a case where the jury might reasonably feel physically threatened if they returned a Not Guilty plea, it seems like it might be a reasonable option.
Ultimately it would depend on the judge assigned and the evidence, but that would really be rolling the dice and very foolish, imo.
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