UnitedHealthcare CEO Murder Suspect is Luigi Mangione
Apparently the man has a gun similar to the one used in the murder.
Alrighty. So we have more information on the man arrested this morning in connection with the murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.
His name is Luigi Mangione. He has a BSE and MSE in Computer Science from University of Pennsylvania.
He went to Gilman School, a private school in Baltimore, where he graduated as valedictorian.
Someone in a McDonald’s in Altoona, about 100 miles east of Pittsburgh, recognized the man from the wanted posters.
A senior law enforcement agent said Mangione had a fake New Jersey driver’s license with the name Mark Rosario. Supposedly the person they believe to be the murderer used the name and address on the license to check into the Manhattan hostel.
Mangiane had a manifesto with him. He expressed “ill will toward corporate America” and “criticized health care companies for putting profits above care.”
The #UnitedHealthcare assassin has been identified. #LuigiMangione #NYC
– pic.twitter.com/OF0nJ1m2OY— Tim Cramer (@CramerSez) December 9, 2024
On the other hand, I assume everyone at the Altoona McDonalds on a Monday morning has a gun, a silencer, a slew of fake IDs, and a manifesto. https://t.co/QDDknJM77P
— Kevin Horne (@KevinHornePSU) December 9, 2024
NY Times: "The handwritten manifesto found on the person of the man detained in Altoona criticized health care companies for putting profits above care, according to a senior law enforcement official."https://t.co/IT9qYGADAH
— Steve Lookner (@lookner) December 9, 2024
From NBC New York:
A man in the Altoona, Pennsylvania, area is being questioned Monday in connection with last week’s UnitedHealthcare CEO killing in Manhattan, in part because he was found with a gun similar to the one used in the shooting, according to two sources familiar with the matter told NBC News.
The sources say it is too soon to determine if his case is connected to the death of Brian Thompson, but they are investigating it as a potentially significant development. According to the sources, customers at a local McDonald’s thought he looked suspicious and called police. Arriving officers noticed a fake ID so took him in for questioning.
Once at the police station, the sources said, officers discovered the man had a gun similar to the one used in Thompson’s killing, as well as a silencer and a fake New Jersey ID. The suspected gunman allegedly used a fake New Jersey ID when he checked into a Manhattan hostel last month.
NYPD detectives have started to head their way to Pennsylvania to help investigators.
The investigators have one main question:
Former NYPD inspector Paul Mauro told Fox News’ “America’s Newsroom” Monday that “everybody is really wondering” about how the shooter knew where UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson would be on the morning he was gunned down.
“How did he know that Mr. Thompson would walk down that block at that time?” Mauro said, describing how the shooter lied in wait until he allegedly opened fire around 6:40 a.m. local time last Wednesday.
“He acquires him from across the street, it’s like 60-70 feet in dark conditions, he doesn’t hesitate. Makes him [out]. Walks right out through traffic and walks around behind him and does what he does,” Mauro continued. “How could he have known? That access is the thing that everybody is really wondering.”
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I am not holding out hope this is the murderer. As much trouble as the murderer went through to avoid apprehension and he keeps the weapon, silencer, and a fake ID on himself?
That seems less probable to you than that a similar looking man has a similar gun and silencer and fake ID on him?
I don’t know what is or is not more probable. Whether or not it is the murder weapon should be determined in short order though.
Breaking news: the FBI hasn’t been broken up yet.
They have probable cause for a paraffin test on any exposed skin surface and tests for gunshot residue on his clothes. Even after a few days, that weapon spewed enough high-velocity powder grains to leave traces. They’ve bagged fake IDs, so backtracking where those cards were used will follow, as well as determining if he made one or two that were tossed. Cop work is filled with hundreds of hours doing this exact scut work, so hopefully this is the guy and they tie him to the crime with solid evidence instead of the sloppy work the FBI crime lab has put out over the last decade or so.
After an investigation they found the black man’s gun in PA is different than the one the white man used in NYC.
The eyebrows do not lie. Frida Kahlo would be less instantly recognized.
Most criminals aren’t Moriarty.
I don’t know about you all, but every time I commit a crime I dispose of the gun and silencer in the ocean and burn the fake ID.
I also leave my cell phone at home
You don’t take your manifesto with you to breakfast at the McDonald’s?
Nyekulturny.
I never leave home without my manifesto. I have a copy in all my vehicles, too. Just in case.
I find it especially essential to carry it when I meet with realtors to view potential cabins in the wilderness.
The NY Post article said he had 4 fake IDs on him, plus a manifesto (and the gun and silencer already noted). If true, this sure seems to be the guy.
On the other hand, the first guy the press fingered as the Trump shooter was a pro-Trump academic from Italy who had absolutely nothing to do with it.
48 hour rule applies here, as always. Only when the media has a good fox hunt underway, that expands out to 7-14 days so the truth has a chance to surface.
I’m sure glad they caught the democrat who did it.
Are we entering Red Herring territory?
Are the two photos supposed to be the same man? I don’t see the resemblance. And “similar” gun; what does that means? Silencers aren’t usually robust enough to last through very many shots; what shape was his in? And whose pocket was the fake ID in?
In any case, this woo-woo speculation about how the shooter knew the victim would be coming out that door seems a bit hysterical. NYC has electric lights; it wasn’t dark in front of the hotel at all. I’m sure the victim was easily identified. He was headed to a known destination at a not-unreasonable time, it wasn’t secret. Maybe the shooter was just lucky, or maybe he had this entrance staked out for much longer than realized.
LE seems determined to make the case this was an inside job.
Photo on left is the victim.
lol. I mean for real
It depends on what kind of suppressor it is. Modern baffle suppressors made of high-quality materials will last tens-of-thousands of rounds. The suppressor the Marine Corps currently uses – NT-4 from Knight’s Armament Company – has an expected service life of at least 10K-rounds, and that’s a suppressor that’s fitted to the M4A1s and the M38s, select-fire and automatic rifles firing supersonic rounds, respectively.
The suppressor the Marines and (most) SEALs use on pistols, the Mk 22 Mod 0 which is made in-house by Naval Weapons Labs, is designed for sub-sonic ammo which extends the service life considerably, > 40K-rounds, IIRC.
She’s thinking of the old style suppressors that had internals made of materials that were rapidly eroded/degraded, quickly making the unit useless. Today’s suppressors might be called “solid-state” because they’re essentially of all-metal construction, unlike the suppressors of the ’50s and ’60s that may have featured in old movies and TV shows.
Probably correct. A lot of people presume modern suppressors still work like this and in fairness, some of them still do. While I’ve personally never used this type of suppressor, I understand they’re surprisingly effective if also short-lived.
So far I haven’t heard any concerted disagreement with the theory that the gun was a Welrod or clone. The Welrod has a suppressor which is an integral part of the gun, so are they talking about this one or another one the same guy had? If the latter, what does it matter in terms of the crime, it could not possibly have been used.
This may be of interest “Debunking The United Healthcare Assassination Myths.” I am not familiar with Garand Thumb maybe some gun experts here will know more of this site.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIbY6lo0RIw
For those not familiar with guns, the name is a pseudonym referencing a painful condition experienced by WWII US troops who bobbled reloading clips in their issue Garand rifles and had the bolt snap closed on their loading thumb.
I saw a video in which a firearms expert (note not in quotes, the guy seemed reasonably well-versed) explained what is seen in the shooting video – He posits the gun was an ordinary semi-auto with a can. He further posited that the rounds with the words written on them were sanitized (possibly along with the other rounds) before loading them into the magazine, with the message-bearing rounds every other round. This allowed him to shoot, hand-cycle the newly chambered, message-carrying round out of the chamber, shoot, hand-cycle (ejecting the next MCR), shoot, hand-cycle again. Important points: The firearm cycled properly. The shooter was not clearing jams, he was leaving his messages. This process allowed him to drop his messages without contaminating them, such as they may be if he scattered them at the scene by hand. (The messaged rounds were unfired, likely ejected without firing to make sure the messaging wasn’t ruined by the heat of firing them.)
I thought this made sense.
It was a suppressor not a silencer. I wish the press would get that right. As for “they don’t last through very many shots” that completely untrue. A quality suppressor if cared for can last for a number of years.
Technically speaking, there is no “silencer.” Suppression is the best you can do. But silencer is a slang nickname for it, despite inaccuracy, same as “nuking leftovers.”
“Silencers aren’t usually robust enough to last through very many shots”
What? I have a suppressor that’s lasted thousands of rounds so far.
A decent suppressor for a 9 mm pistol is quite durable, especially if used for only three shots. Right now (and this will undoubtedly change) they are saying that his gun was 3-D printed.
If this is the guy, it will once again be an example of police solving a stone-cold whodunit by sheer luck that manifests itself in the form of curious citizens who saw something suspicious.
Not sheer luck, but, as you point out, not “police work”. I give the police credit for doing the work necessary to find the picture of the guy’s face, but once that was out it was without a doubt that he was going to be ID’d and caught. I was surprised that the reward offered wasn’t more. I know the family was in mourning and distraught but another one or two hundred thousand would have assured locating this guy that day.
Of course, Alvin Bragg is currently having his office look into possible charges they can manufacture against the citizens who identified the suspect and called it in.
Bragg’s office is probably working on a plea deal for the shooter. because his target was a rich, white, capitalist.
FNC is reporting the suspect in custody is named ‘Luigi Mangione.’ There is an X-account under that name. I won’t link it here because I have no way of knowing if it’s the same person. But, the profile picture is strikingly similar to the other photos, so I would be surprised if it is.
..would be surprised if it ISN’T (the same person).
Whether it’s the same guy or not … one thing is for sure, they’re the same eyebrows in the shooter pictures and on the guy in the X account profile pic.
Interesting … he seems to have very Unabomberish vibes to him, taking that account at face value.
Taylor Lorenz follows that account
Least surprising factoid of the entire episode.
NYPD is alleging murder weapon is a 3D-printed ‘ghost gun.’ They didn’t describe the silencer used in any detail. But, presumably it’s a DYI suppressor as well.
So, it used a lower receiver that was 3D printed. I imagine the internals worked fine when the firearm wasn’t attached to a suppressor without a booster.
They are going to find out that Luigi is a died-in-the-wool Pantifa dirtbag and there will probably pop up some videos here and there of little Luigi burning down city buildings back in the summer of 2020. I wouldn’t be surprised if he was one of the insurrectionist scum in Portland trying to burn the federal courthouse down for months.
Nope, if he’s Antifa, the only photos that will surface will be of him at eight years old in his choir robes.
I don’t think so. Looking through his X account, his politics are…complicated and nuanced. He seems like a very bright young man who’s engaged in a number of social and scientific issues. He’s quoted and/or retweeted people like Peter Thiel, Mike Benz and others on the right and center who have been critical of some aspects of government and corporate America; not crazy rants, but earnest, thoughtful critical comments. He’s also written about the dangerous decline in religion in the developed world. His last activity on X is a retweet of Andrew D. Huberman, a popular podcaster and Standford academic in neurobiology. There’s really nothing in his social media that’s alarming or even remotely worrying.
Yes, I see that.
But the murder of the CEO of a health insurance company seems a bit detached from the meat of that X account feel. I would assume he thought he would probably be caught after doing that, so it had to be the only act he thought he would be able to do. Looking at the X account, I can’t see why that would have gone to the top of his list.
I guess we’ll have to see what his so-called “Health care manifesto” rants on about. But, judging from the account tweets, I would have guessed that any “health care” action he would have taken would have gone to those regulating the system, first.
There seems to be a disconnect but … we’ll see. Going after a CEO over a health care industry issue is more of an antifa/left-wing type of thing. Very much so.
His last post on X was from this past June. It will be interesting to see what he’s been up to in the intervening 6-months. Did something profound (profoundly bad) happen to him? Psychotic breaks happen, but they’re reasonably rare. It’s all very strange.
he might have made a new account under one of those fake ID names
Maybe. But, reporting indicates that he had some kind of serious back injury, then a surgery that didn’t go well and then he fell off the grid completely. His family hasn’t had any contact with him since early summer. He apparently began to self-medicate and experiment with mushrooms, which would explain why he had a mushroom cartoon in his X-bio. Sounds like he ‘medicated’ himself to murder.
I’m waiting for the shoe to drop that he had a relative, lover, or very close friend die because of noncoverage by United Healthcare. Orders of magnitude more probable than “hey, I think I’ll shoot a healthcare CEO to make a political point.”
There are reports Thompson was scheduled to testify against Pelosi in an insider trading case
Pelosi and others
Interesting. And Mangione is from Baltimore, where Nancy Pelosi’s family is from …
Where is the shooter’s spotter? All of this more than suggests more than one person involved. The timing and all…coordinated.
There have been 350 murders in NYC so far this year. They are working very hard to solve one of them.
Interesting comment from a substack author writes a blog on a variety of subjects and other societal commentary.
https://twitter.com/G_S_Bhogal/status/1866220338679337161
I had a two hour video-call with Mangione, the suspected UnitedHealthcare CEO shooter, in May. He genuinely seemed like one of the nicest people I’ve ever met. After the chat he spontaneously bought me subscriptions to services he thought would help me with writing.
Please tell me he has a brother named Mario.
Why hasn’t the manifesto been embargoed like Hale’s was?
“ill will toward corporate America” and “criticized health care companies for putting profits above care.”
SOUNDS LIKE THE GUY WHO INVENTS DEMOCRAT TALKING POINTS
They can’t charge him with murder because he has three more killings to go before he meets his deductible.
Brainwashed by his teachers.
It won’t be long until we see this miscreant’s mug on the cover of The Rolling Stone.
Too bad he did this in NYC, he won’t get the death penalty send-off he deserves.
Great example of why you shouldn’t send your kids to $40k a year woke private schools.
Looks a bit Antifa-eeeee to me!
Looks like a personal grudge. He has chronic back problems and recently underwent back surgery to have pins put in his spine. After the surgery he cut off contact with his family.
https://nypost.com/2024/12/09/us-news/luigi-mangione-suspect-in-fatal-shooting-of-unitedhealthcare-ceo-reported-missing-by-family-after-back-surgery/
DailyMail: The suspected killer of UnitedHealthCare CEO Brian Thompson is the heir to a holiday resort fortune created by his grandparents – and the brother of a top doctor. Luigi Mangione, 26, comes from a powerful Maryland family centered on the late patriarch Nicholas Mangiano, a first-generation American who built a real estate empire in the state, including country clubs and media.
.. this means that Nancy Pelosi, her father was mayor of Baltimore, is sure to know them