New Mexico Governor Effectively Suspends 2nd Amendment Under “Emergency” Decree
People who warned that Covid lockdowns and restrictions were the gateway drug toward abolishing the 2nd Amendment and other rights deemed ‘right wing’ were dismissed as conspiracy fearmongers. As with so many other things, those ‘right wing conspiracy theories’ have come true.
During the worst of the Covid lockdowns in 2020 pushed by the Trump administration, many states and localities issued emergency orders restricting civil liberties and constitutional rights, often in completely irrational ways. We covered a lot of those cases, particularly the negative treatment given church services compared to other gatherings. And of course, BLM protests were give a complete pass.
A lot of the emergency orders started off short term, then were renewed. ‘Twenty days to stop the spread’ became 20 months. Republican Governors who fought back, like Brian Kemp (GA) and Ron DeSantis (FL- “DeathSantis”), were excoriated by the media and Trump administration, while Governors who capitulated like Kristi Noem in South Dakota, escaped scrutiny. Democrat Governors, particularly in California and New York, were flush with hubris and power.
Courts were hesitant to get involved because the courts traditionally took a permissive attitude towards government efforts to control infectious disease. But it was inevitable that emergency orders unrelated to Covid or the spread of infectious disease would be used to curtail other civil and constitutional rights.
People who warned that Covid lockdowns and restrictions were the gateway drug toward abolishing the 2nd Amendment and other rights deemed ‘right wing’ were dismissed as conspiracy fearmongers. As with so many other things, those ‘right wing conspiracy theories’ have come true.
The Democrat Governor of New Mexico Michelle Lujan Grisham just issued an emergency order on gun violence:
Today, I signed an executive order declaring gun violence a public health emergency. To my fellow citizens: get loud. Step up. Demand change: from your neighbors, from your friends, from your communities, from your elected leaders. Enough is enough. More coming from me tomorrow. pic.twitter.com/jOt4fv4YDC
— Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham (@GovMLG) September 7, 2023
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The Emergency Order effectively suspends the 2nd Amendment, and faces pushback even from local law enforcement:
New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham on Friday issued an emergency order suspending the right to carry firearms in public across Albuquerque and the surrounding county for at least 30 days in response to a spate of gun violence.
The Democratic governor said she expects legal challenges but was compelled to act because of recent shootings, including the death of an 11-year-old boy outside a minor league baseball stadium this week.
Lujan Grisham said state police would be responsible for enforcing what amount to civil violations. Albuquerque police Chief Harold Medina said he won’t enforce it, and Bernalillo County Sheriff John Allen said he’s uneasy about it because it raises too many questions about constitutional rights.
Violating the constitution seems to be the entire point of the emergency order, she’s daring a court to stop her:
Governor Lujan Grisham says her duty to uphold her oath to the constitution is "not absolute" pic.twitter.com/Mla4rcNXMX
— Beau Hightower (@beauhightowerdn) September 8, 2023
The order, in my view, is flagrantly unconstitutional under existing Second Amendment precedent. It could also be a calculated effort to evade a ruling by making the period of suspension so short…https://t.co/aURAa8Ict9
— Jonathan Turley (@JonathanTurley) September 9, 2023
Challenges are coming:
RPNM Statement on Governor’s Unconstitutional Firearm Order
Albuquerque, September 8th—Today, Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham signed an executive order to ban open and concealed carry of firearms in Albuquerque and Bernalillo Counties as part of her declared public health… pic.twitter.com/o4Zg4qomr5
— Republican Party of New Mexico (@NewMexicoGOP) September 9, 2023
If you are in New Mexico and want to be a plaintiff, lawyers are prepared to put an end to this unconstitutional bunk. DM me to discuss. https://t.co/bmSBwrvZyv
— Marc J. Randazza 🇺🇸 🇮🇹 🇧🇷 🇮🇸 🇸🇪 (@marcorandazza) September 9, 2023
Understand the politics here. Grisham now will be a hero in the Democrat party and the Biden administration.
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I missed in the law where that says a state can ignore the Constitution because the vulnerable government is worried about losing power. I did find the opposite.
Next, the 3rd Amendment. Then the first.
In a police state, the constitution is just a suggestion. And warm to all the republican politicians, lawyers and hack pundits who ignore or even support the democrats lawless targeting of a political opponent they just don’t like, helping to pave the way for this.
Republicans won’t listen. Many of us have been telling them for a long time when they help Democrats in their lawlessness it will also very visited upon them. Bet Lindsey Graham and Kelly Loeffler believe that now.
The Republi-dolts don’t understand that ignoring the present attacks as a passing issue with no long term consequences just foster more longer lasting issues. Too insulated… too isolated from reality.
Graham is too stupid to realize that his own legislative actions & advocacies have led to this point.
Neither the executive order of the governor nor the various departments and agencies of the executive branch of the state government have the authority to supersede Article II, §6, Right to keep and bear arms, of the New Mexico State Constitution:
No law shall abridge the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms for security and defense, for lawful hunting and recreational use and for other lawful purposes, but nothing herein shall be held to permit the carrying of concealed weapons. No municipality or county shall regulate, in any way, an incident of the right to keep and bear arms.
My reading of that is that open carry is a right guaranteed and protected by the state constitution. While concealed carry is not guaranteed and protected, it can be enabled by appropriate legislation. They certainly cannot impose civil fines upon citizens for exercising their constitutional rights.
The governor does not have the constitutional authority or the implied power to suspend the state constitution.
Lawyers, in what particulars am I mistaken?
Almost no rights, constitutional or otherwise are absolute. They can be subject to reasonable regulation. Whether this governor has the authority to unilaterally suspend them is a different story. Of course, authorities in a police state can do pretty much what they want. Kinda why maybe some should be a little more vocal resisting this decay.
When such absolute language is part of the statute, or in this case the constitution, no reduction via regulation is reasonable.
It’s a side issue because this doesn’t appear to be what’s happening (at least not legitimately) but in general what you’re saying is incorrect. Even fundamental rights can be regulated if there is a compelling government purpose and the means are the least restrictive alternative available.
And here I declined to add the comment to my post below about conservatives accepting the “reasonable regulation” nonsense regarding the 2nd Amendment. Tell me, what is “reasonable” in your book? Rest assured, the governor of New Mexico believes her suspension is “reasonable” to fight some nonsensical public health emergency.
I’m not condoning what the governor did. I’m just relating to you the general legal principle. If you don’t like it, take the matter up with the S. Ct.
Exactly. The escaped mental patients that have been elected to public office are destroying Society because they’ve been put in charge of ordering society when they themselves have disordered minds. You can’t refer to some general reasonable standard or the standards of the community when the community is split 50/50 between praising police or lighting them on fire, or your learned experts can’t define what a woman is.
Yes, the Supreme Court can be wrong. The “reasonable regulation” standard is hogwash. And we’re paying for it.
No way am I going to defend the S.Ct. but what we’re going through now is a painful transformation into a police state not a misapplication of bad precedent.
It’s a bit of both: we are fast moving towards a police state, mostly because of a setting aside of the words of the Constitution, some of which is due to bad precedent set by the Supreme Court.
This has been happening in Portland, where they got rid of the po po, let stuff turn to crap, and now we have a bunch of unaccountable private security operations to clean-up/control the mess. This, IMHO, is just a step or stage to having American Oligarcies. Democrats are basically letting the cartels and CCP turn the country upside down, I am guessing, with a promise that they will be left in control in the end. Plot twist, they end up hanging from street lights, but not from the people they suspected might do it. Why is it that those who repeat history never finish the book forst before starting off on their little adventures. As I point out to the social justice fascists all the time, never in the history of man have they been the good guys.
We’re moving to a police state because the DOJ and other federal agencies see themselves as independent executive branches and we presently have a corrupt Chief Executive eager and willing to connive with them on further abuses for his own political aggrandizement.
What are you talking about? The most effective and bestest godlet of all time not only promised to drain the swamp but must have been successful, right? No one, literally no one, has done more (or, to be fair, less) than Trump. Um, you know, after being steamrolled like the swamp thing’s butt monkey. How can there be a police state issue given Trump’s promise to end that and his (laughably poor) leadership skills? But, yeah, sure, he’ll let you kick that ball this time. THIS time it’s different. You know, in ways. And stuff.
The victim of the Russian collusion hoax, a special counsel investigation, 2 nonsense impeachments, a raid based on an illegal general search warrant, and multiple political indictments is the cause of the budding police state? You’re taking TDS to new heights and frankly commenters like you are some of the best allies of the corrupt DOJ.
Where in the Constitution does it say that? If not absolute and subject to the ambiguous “Reasonable restrictions” then our so-called rights are reduced to legislated or judicially fiated privileges
It’s S.Ct. precedent. Standards vary depending on the right involved . Fundamental rights are subject to strict scrutiny. But my only point was that rights are not absolute. Feel free to pretend the precedent doesn’t exist and the standards don’t apply if that makes you feel better. It’s really irrelevant my comments on the newly expanding police state anyway.
The constitution says the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. It doesn’t say exactly what that right consists of, or what constitutes an infringement. That’s for the courts to say. And the courts have said that reasonable regulation does not infringe the right. That there never was a completely unfettered right; that the right that must not be infringed includes the provision for reasonable regulations.
Consider the freedom of speech, which may be regulated as to time, place, and manner, and sometimes even as to content, but not as to viewpoint. The courts say that’s what this freedom always was, and thus allowing such regulations does not abridge it.
It doesn’t. See, the abuser gets to define the meaning of the Protection from Abuse Order – The Supreme Court (agents of the Govt.) took it upon itself to hold that it, and it alone, is the final say on what the Constitution says (i.e., the government will define how limited it is, which is, not at all.) Thus, no one can simply read the document recognizing their rights, because now you have to read 1 million pages of Supreme Court precedent in order to understand what it says. And of course, the govt. will treat a document designed to restrict it as an Etch-A-Sketch. This leads to people like Milhouse walking around in confusion as to what “keep and bear arms” and “shall not infringed”, ala Slick Willy and his vague definitions of “is”, a slight of hand designed to 1) take clear language and make to “vague” so as to 2) permit the party restricted by the document (govt. by way of courts) to interpret it.
There are no rights. There are a set of privileges which can be enforced with a gun. Our bill of rights exists because we have the 2A. Those who don’t understand that are ignorant or fools. Those who attack the 2A are pure evil, supported by the ignorant and fools, who down the road may someday wonder why they are being marched into cattle cars by the people who promised to keep them safe.
If it ever comes to it, please don’t represent yourself in court, for you own sake.
As in the 4th… reasonable. At the time, I don’t think the Founders could ever have envisioned to total extent of a future totalitarian state. Yes, they had seen what the British could do and well knew the weaknesses and shortcomings of man. The 18th century had far more in common with the past thousands of years than the late 19th and 20th centuries. Even Orwell would be shocked.
I missed the part of the Constitution of the United States that states the citizen’s rights granted under the Constitution of the United States can be abrogated and denied the citizens simply because an “Emergency Health Decree” was issued by an elected official under the public health laws of New Mexico or any other state for that matter. But I guess since the citizens of this country rolled over when it was happening during the pandemic they are now conditioned to allow government officials to do the same for any other thing. Disgusting. Simply disgusting.
And if it were truly that easy to ban guns from a city why haven’t other democrat governors/public health officials done the same. Should be a hands down win for democrats in places like Chicago that’s experiencing a bloodbath of gun violence with no end in sight.
Here’s the Supreme Court:
The constitution of the United States is a law for rulers and people, equally in war and peace, and covers with its shield of protection all classes of men, at all times and under all circumstances. No doctrine involving more pernicious consequences was ever invented by the wit of men that any of its great provisions can be suspended during any of the great exigencies of Government.
–EX PARTE MILLIGAN (1866)
There are fast ways to legally stop her before the courts can even think to act, file against her surety bond for “practicing medicine without a license” and each count is for every person living in the county that is legally able to carry a firearm. By her declaring a “public health emergency” she has stated that she, regardless of any medical professional behind her, is acting a medical professional but has no license or training to do so. Burn her to the ground.
Wouldn’t work, Her executive orders direct the Sec. of Health to take action. That’s why the order isn’t signed by her, but by the Sec. of State and Sec. of Health. She can just claim that they could have refused if she was out of line. Remember Leftist are crazy not necessarily stupid.
She signed the order. Also the Sec. of Health does not control the State police, therefore SHE as well as any other elected official that acts on the EO can have their surety bond challenged, because she also violated her oath of office.
Two things:
1) Every lawful gun-owner should simply not comply, tell this piece of garbage to go pound sand.
2) Why – lately – are these tyranny-driven anarchists mostly woman? (Honest question, not casting aspersions, When The Handlers rid us of Pedo Joe via 25 we get Harris…there is a host of reasons they put her there.)
Because women, statistically, base their actions on emotions and not logic.
This is in fact, the only thing keeping today’s Democrats relevant for any reason.
Who runs gun control organizations? Sarah Brady. Gabby Giffords. Shannon Watts. Michael Bloomberg. David Hogg. All women.
Exactly. Yet these woman have become a cancer to The Constitution. Satan’s Minions as far as I’m concerned.
Waitaminute — I’m pretty sure Michael Bloomberg produces small gametes. Maybe not in lot sizes of more than a thousand or two, but that makes him male.
The Hogster – anyone’s guess.
The state police should arrest her. Immediacy for abusing her power.
Nope, that should be the Feds operating under USC 18 Sections 241 and 242; they should bust her, anyone connected with her that assisted in the drafting and implementation of this order, and anyone who attempts to implement it. The text of that Code states:
“If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or
If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured—
They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.”
Arresting and jailing someone based on this arbitrary and capricious ukase of the governor would be considered to be kidnapping, and per the above, subject to the death penalty. Enforcement should be immediate and thorough.
If anyone actually believes that the SwampState that is our current US government would do literally ANYTHING about this, I have a large bridge for sale in Brooklyn. Cash only, small non-consecutive bills please.
Would these be the same feds presently engaged in a republic ending abuse of their own power targeting Biden’s main political rival?
Tellingly, even prominent Democrats are calling foul on this one. And the most strident anti-gun figures around are also doing so.
DOJ pretty much is going to be forced to charge her, even if they may sympathize.
The state police work for Grisham. They are her personal stormtroopers. During Covid, when local law enforcement refused to arrest people for violating her dictates, the state police came in and did it on her orders.
Zey ver chust followingk ordehrz, jah! See my remarks in other threads about Abbie Hoffman’s mistake.
They are not pigs. They are dogs. They are loyal to who feeds (paycheck) them, gives them occasional treats (narcotics or firearms missing from the evidence locker), or running a bit wild (a percentage of the civil asset forfeiture booty).
And why do we need the Bill of rights? To stop governments from going after us. There is no emergency clause in the Bill of Rights.
The basic logical fallacy of government is that we define rights to protect us against government abuse, then put their enforcement in the hands of the very people we were afraid would abuse us.
What part of “shall not be infringed” do you not understand Governor?
The part after the first quotation mark..
All of the people who oppose the 2nd Amendment all act like that phrase doesn’t exist or that they can rationalize it away that it doesn’t mean what it means.
It is, perhaps, a fact provocative of sour mirth that the Bill of Rights was designed trustfully to prohibit forever two of the favorite crimes of all known governments: the seizure of private property without adequate compensation and the invasion of the citizen’s liberty without justifiable cause…. It is a fact provocative of mirth yet more sour that the execution of these prohibitions was put into the hands of courts, which is to say, into the hands of lawyers, which is to say, into the hands of men specifically educated to discover legal excuses for dishonest, dishonorable and anti-social acts.
–H.L. MENCKEN
“Shall not be infringed” is not the only relevant clause. Equally important is “the right”. What is that right, which shall not be infringed? That’s the part that isn’t absolute. There isn’t and never was an absolute right to carry any kind of weapon, anywhere, at any time, and under al circumstances. Thus there can be regulations that don’t infringe it. This order clearly is not one such.
Actually, it DOES say what the right is. It is the right to KEEP and BEAR ARMS. To KEEP is to own an object, in this case ARMS or weapons. To BEAR said ARMS is to carry them. The clause says absolutely everything it needs to and there is no ambiguity about it. But, if someone wants to disagree, I’ll happily shoot them.
Yep. People like Milhouse take a statement like “no ice cream for dinner, young man” and argue for hours that ice cream isn’t defined. “Does that include iced milk, mother? Frozen yogurt?” All the while taking a 12 Bud Light can p!ss all over the spirit an intent of the statement. Because they are contrarian d!cks.
This woman showed herself to be a dictator during Covid I. See other remarks in this comment section. She closed off Gallup with road blocks to keep people in.
I notice that none of the rootin’ tootin’ NRA / cold dead hands stickers on the “4-by” crowd so much as whimpered at this.
It went totally under my radar, first I’ve heard of it. I imagine there are a few places in New Mexico that wouldn’t have taken this lying down, but Gallup is a heavily Indian town, and the rezzes out here still haven’t even de-masked. I’m sure the folks in Taos, Sante Fe, and Las Cruces would have bleated, “Thank you, Ma’am, may we have another?”
If you are going to suspend the constitution, to address crime, wouldn’t it make more sense strip the criminals of the right to privacy? Search all the known criminals, stop their cars, search their homes and businesses.
Permitted gun owners are not committing crimes.
It’s like she said, she can’t arrest every criminal. We don’t have the manpower or the facilities to hold them. So instead, she’s going after the one group that has proved to be the most law abiding in the state…. concealed carry holders. It won’t save a single life and may cost lives in the end but the gun grabbers don’t give a shit about those dead kids… they will happily climb on top of their corpses to cheer when the governor attempts to disarm everyone but the criminals.
Harmeet said that “she needs to be sued” I guess you have to be a NM resident or something. That lady is an eejit.
It will happen.. just wait a couple days.
I would suspect that no one other than a NM resident would have any chance of standing.
Ha ha ha ha! Awaiting an emergency newsletter from the NMSSA, who I am pretty confident will not be taking this lying down.
As a resident of South Dakota, Gov Noem did not capitulate. Originally she was going to declare an emergency for COVID and our legislature warned her she could not do it. If she did she’d be impeached. Each community did it’s own thing. She acted the hero later, but she originally was on board with shutdowns.
At least most republicans can be shamed into doing the right thing.
I think it is way past time for legislation allowing for the immediate removal of politicians either State or Federal who pass or decree something they know they have no power to do. This chick even admitted it.
Be careful of this one. “Health Emergency” has been floated as being a tool to use for Climate Nonsense to force draconian measures on all of us.
GFY Grisham.
Signed
The United States Constitution.
When the 30 day suspension fails, then 30 more?
“…and any subsequent renewals …” as per the order.
The courthouses in NM on Monday morning are going to be busy.
30 days to stop the murders
Then another 30 years
“30 days to flatten the Second.”
“Only 30 days to flatten the curve…!”
“…the Covid lockdowns in 2020 pushed by the Trump administration …”
This is not quite accurate — the lockdowns were enacted by the governors of the states, as President Trump left those decisions up to them.
Unless you mean Fauci and Birx et al, as “the Trump administration.”
They were indisputably part of the executive branch. Trump stood on the stage with them how many times giving public briefings and taking questions? Trump selected and appointed Birx to his adhoc ‘Covid Taskforce’.
Trump did many good things in office. His administration’s Covid response wasn’t one of them. You are downplaying Trump himself scolding and deriding Sweden which didn’t lockdown and going after both Kemp and DeSantis very publicly for ‘opening back up too quickly’.
Finally Trump could have directed his Administration to intervene in lawsuits filed against the States and Cities who went full totalitarian in violation of our Constitutional rights; forbidding congregations from religious worship, attending weddings and funerals or even going to see your dying family members in a hospital or nursing home. He chose not to do so, instead, at best, he stood back and allowed the Fauci fascists to run wild trampling our civil rights. Not his best moments.
Um, yeah, who stood smiling by the genocidal Fauci gnome during all those press conferences? That was Trump. Every time. In fact, Trump tried to bully both Georgia and Florida into bowing to the great Fauci, and both rejected his (by then) completely debunked crazy about covid.
Trump was sending letters all the way up to January 2021 to Gov. DeSantis urging him to enforce masking and “social distancing” in our Free state. What the actual hell? In 2021? Weeks before leaving office? Trump got covid wrong from start to finish.
Well, to be fair, he did get that we needed to “open by Easter” 2020. 2020, get that? Yet almost a year later he’s urging the governor of Free Florida to impose mandates and close businesses? DISGUSTING. And frankly, indefensible. Who got to him? What changed his tune? It sure wasn’t America First driving that tyranny train, right?.
Trump screwed up on covid, sold out to someone/s, and the more he fails to see it, the more I suspect that HE is working with the globalists. He can’t see what he did, what he allowed to happen, how it hurt our nation? How is that even possible? What is his goal in continuing to champion the lockdown and masking and CONTROL over Americans due to a cold bug? Who is he really aligned with?
I’d be more swayed if he said, yeah, I screwed that up, and here’s what I would do differently, but that’s not Trump. He doubles down on stupid, on dangerous, and on destructive. Unbelievable, really. Unless he’s working with elements intent on our nation’s destruction. I mean, how else do you explain this? He’s either stone-cold stupid or actively working against our nation’s best interests. You have to wonder why he went from “open by Easter” 2020, to hey, let’s have some lockdown fun in 2021. Don’t you? I know I am wondering about it more every single day.
That would be pence
What would be Pence? Pence stood at those pressers with Fauci and patted him on his little gnome head while beaming happily about the Fauci-Birx plan to destroy our nation and give Democrats free rein to “fortify” the election? Naw, I’m pretty sure that was Trump.
In fact, there are hours of footage of Trump and Fauci standing side by side, dictating the covid response, from “two weeks to stop the spread” in early 2020 to Trump writing Governor DeSantis about how he needs to force Free Floridians to comply. Not Pence. Trump. ALL Trump all the way.
Where does the buck stop, gonzo? With the boss who changed from “open by Easter” in early 2020 to hey, how about some mandate enforcement down there in rogue Florida in 2021?
You know who did NOT sell out? DeSantis. He ignored Trump’s crap advice and listened to real research and did what was best for our state. We love him for him it.
These essay length tirades show more anger against President Trump than the republic ending lawfare abuses by the DOJ’s special counsel. If a lot of people think like this, we will probably lose this country.
If she’s misstating any facts, point them out. Don’t change the subject and pretend it’s a rebuttal.
The republic ending legal abuses by dem prosecutors transcends the issues. But some can’t get beyond their irrational dislike of President Trump. Others see an opportunity to eliminate a political rival. The former are just deranged. The latter beyond contempt.
So…. you concede that what she’s saying is true, and you have no rebuttal.
I concede what I note about. Some here are more angry at President Trump and willing to go along with the republic ending lawfare because of their animosity. Not really all that honorable.
How exactly did he “bully” Desantis? With a letter? Don’t know about the substance of any letters, but that hardly strikes me as bullying. Bullying is armed FBI thug units raiding your home searching for presidential records.
Um, Trump was not only president at the time, but also the leader/head of the party. Him dropping a “hey, do this” note doesn’t strike you as . . . problematic? Not at all? Are you really THAT far gone?
You’re so beset with TDS that you appear to be conflating the Biden regime’s exchanges with social media companies in their censorship drives with President Trump’s administration.
Yes Fuzzy, they are really that far gone. To them Saint Trump has done no wrong. To them Saint Trump cannot do any wrong. He is Trump after all. The Anointed One. Their Lord and Savior who will ride his Pale Horse into the White House and save us all from the evil doings of the evil democrats. Hallelujah! Praise Trump!
Yeah, they are that far gone. It’s a cult of personality now. Nothing more.
That kind of deranged nonsense wouldn’t be allowed on the View. Maybe try Joe and Mika?
Trump, leader of the Republican Party? Purely nominal and ceremonial… like claiming that Admiral Rubbermaid commands fleets. The “party” barely tolerated Trump, while pining for its true dream leader, Jeb.
Trump enacted the 15 days to slow the curve BS that Fauci convinced him to do and then left it to the Governors to decide when to end lockdowns
He didn’t have the authority. Our lockdowns were all signed by Grisham…12 months worth of them. Only governors had the authority to use public health orders to close down their states.
William Jacobson is engaging in some revisionist history. The only governor who didn’t lockdown was Kristin Noem, whereas every other governor, including Kemp and DeSantis, locked their states down. They may have been among the first to reopen, but they locked their states down. And that was only after many people in both parties around the country refused to go along with the totalitarian BS of the Trump Administration (yeah, I’m a Trump supporter who blames Trump for the COVID nonsense) to shut down over a virus, something that was never done in human history.
So don’t sit here and act like Kemp and DeSantis have clean hands, Mr. Jacobson. They don’t, and Kristi Noem didn’t capitulate. She was the only woman in America with balls to stand up to this nonsense.
To paraphrase another writer elsewhere, using hindsight and armchair quarterbacking comes out as pure fakery – because it is. No one would have done anything any different, because no one had any concept of what this COVID-19 issue was really all about.
Sir, you are gong to have to stop with this “making sense” stuff.
Many people are severely allergic to it. 🙂
The incessant bickering about who did this and who would have done that. Words wasted that seek to persuade beyond any doubt, but change nothing. Good luck with that!
Let’s not bicker and argue over ‘ew killed ‘ew! This is supposed to be a happy occasion! We haven’t so much as lost a right, as we have gained a public emergency!
Nah, this isn’t hindsight or armchair quarterbacking. This isn’t pure fakery because I have been consistently against all this COVID bs since when it became a thing back in late 2019. I knew where all of this would exactly go and I expect people who should know better be able to have a good understanding of human nature and frauds like Tony Fauci, who to this day has never been asked what research he saw that made him change his minds on masks.
Trump was an idiot, DeSantis was an idiot, Kemp was an idiot and the governor of AZ at the time, Ducey, was an idiot. They all got played by an 80 year old wannabe Guido.
Actually, it is. Just above a South Dakotan said the legistalure rebuffered her initial efforts, but the comment was more addressed to the entirety of open, shut and in between. What is clear is that the people that knew best lied about the matter, hid their own responsibility, and acted to destroy those that did not accede. Frankly, criminal. But let’s argue about those that were misled, as if it matters dearly now. Thus, the comment.
No, it isn’t. As I’ve said, I have been consistent on this issue. I don’t engage in what should have been done, I’ve been saying since the beginning Trump should have staked his entire presidency going against the nonsense recommendations from Fauci. And I was saying states shouldn’t shut down over something they can’t see, hear, smell, taste, or touch. You know, the way you’re supposed to identify what you’re fighting against. And I don’t know how you acted during all of that time, but I didn’t wear masks (in fact, I got arrested for not wearing a mask but it was called “trespassing”) and I will never get those vaccines and even told my wife she could quit her job because they were forcing her to get it.
So no, this isn’t hindsight or armchair quarterbacking. Some of us were wise and smart enough to know this was a con game from the get go.
It matters b/c some who should have known better in positions of leadership and political power persisted in the lockdown, mask mandate, made up 6ft social distance, close schools, send employees to work from home BS long after it was apparent that it didn’t do diddly squat.
It matters b/c those most responsible for the creation, implementation of the federal Covid actions and policy still refuse to accept accountability for their clear failure. It indicates they haven’t learned from their errors, reject personal accountability and refuse to apologize for their failure.
Of course it’s arm chair quarterbacking. We were not privy to things going on behind the scenes. Much of what occurred would have happened one way or the other. Looking at it in a vaccuum, and acting as it would reveal something about the next event, is like playing a board game.
Covid illustrates how rotten things are to the core. It’s not about Trump and what the governors did, as much as the cover-up, no different than with the Bidens and the pervasive corruption that infests the Establishment dominated by progressive ideals.
Say’s President chris
Come on, gonzo, you can criticize Trump and still support the man. Don’t get like that.
See? Why do you do this? Chris is a Trumper (I don’t recall whether or not he’s said he’d vote for ONLY Trump in the general), but he’s one of yours. On your side. A flag waving Trump train member, yet you attack him like this for the slightest hint of wrongthink. What is your goal? Are you secretly working for Team DeSantis? Come on, you can tell us.
you didn’t know a thing about covid or where what was going as it was a novel disease of which no one had any experience
Dude, you didn’t need to know anything about this dumb disease. Throwing the word “novel” just shows how stupid you are to fall for such a thing. Every new disease that comes out is by definition “novel” and we never shut down our economy or did stupid nonsense like wear masks and get untested vaccines to fight them. So yeah, I did know where this was going and it was going to lead to sorry politicians taking more power for themselves in the name of “public health” and they weren’t going to let that go.
Sure we did. It’s a respiratory virus and we have lots of info about how virus behave. As for Mask mandate, they don’t work and we knew that prior to Covid. The 6ft social distance was made up and many knew it was BS at the time.
We knew who would be vulnerable to it after a few weeks; 65+, immune system weaknesses and those with co morbid health issues; obesity being one.
Pretending we didn’t know any of this by May/June of ’20 is nonsense. The hypochondriac Karens were allowed to run wild. They did so based on the doom and bloom BS from Fauci and Birx.
Making the argument to contrary is the revisionist history. Trump dropped the ball on his Admin Covid response by failing to step up and say ENOUGH with the totalitarian bs.
About the Wuhan virus…
Enough was known very early on that Trump (and Pence—he had his own role to play) could have refused to go along with the “experts.”
Here’s the difference, chris: DeSantis locked down our state in the very beginning, and we were all on board with that, at that point. We didn’t what we were dealing with, and it was all a bit scary. Heck, I wore a mask I dug up from an old paint thing to wear to Publix (a grocery store). I am not an alarmist by any stretch, but no one knew much at first. Right?
And DeSantis never butted in when we all decided to heck with that crap and went about our business without masks, ignoring signs on doors telling us to mask up. He was not a tyrant, not even when he had the original lockdown in place. And he backed off it very quickly, too, and then signed EO’s ensuring that no Floridian could be fined, arrested, or jailed for flouting local blue area “rules” and “ordinances,” etc.
DeSantis got it right. Noem had her own legislature stop her from acting on her tyrannical impulses. AND she allowed blue areas to impose all manner of covid crazy from masking and “allowed” business capacity to even ticketing and jailing “offenders” of whatever crazy these places dreamed up.
She’s slippery and gross.
Try to explain it how you want, the fact of the matter is DeSantis locked his state down. Period. As for Noem, so what if she personally supported the lockdown? When her legislature said no, she didn’t override them. Actions over words.
Just like I told gonzo above, it’s okay to criticize your guy and still support him. DsSantis doesn’t have clean hands on how handled COVID as well.
DeSantis did lock the state down at first, and none of us actual Floridians had a problem with it. I live in Florida, and I did not wear a mask or social distance or whatever after about March/April of 2020. I did have to wear one in October of that year at the DMV, but you are out of your mind if you think we Free Floridians experienced the plandemic as people did in other states.
DeSantis was originally going by what the Trump-Fauci-Birx triumvirite of tyrannical evil dictated, but he quickly realized they were out of their damned minds and doing everything completely wrong. At which point, DeSantis switched gears and opened the state back up, ensured our schools were open (to in-person teaching), that no Floridian could be fined, arrested, or jailed for defying local dumbass mandates, and pretty much kept our state FREE. There’s a reason we call ourselves Free Floridians: we ARE free, and we stayed free because we have an incredible governor.
You keep whining, but you would be hard-pressed to find a fair-minded Floridian who faults DeSantis for his initial caution. It lasted months, and as data rolled in, he responded quickly and correctly. Honestly, I thank the good Lord every day that I lived in Florida through the plandemic. There is literally no governor of any state who got it more right on every score.
“When her legislature said no, she didn’t override them.”
If virtue were a bar, you would need a utility locator to find this one.
Did she override them or not? Yes or no?
So b/c it was politically expedient for her to not lockdown due to legislature saying no you want to award full points? Meh, I can see giving partial credit.
The logic of your argument is: if an anti 2A executive wanted to impose limits, talked about limits, proposed limits, sought to declare limits but the legislature pushed back and the executive backed off due to political defeat they get full credit for not limiting the 2A.
When gravity said I couldn’t fly, I didn’t override it.
How many good-boy points do I get for that?
Sheesh.
All you caterwauling is irrelevant. Did she do it or not? Yes, or no?
I suspect this communist bitch has never heard of the United States Constitution, nor her own State’s constitution for that matter.
She recognizes no authority other than her own. I depise that bitch with the heat of a thousand burning suns for what she’s done to this state in the last 3+ years.
Enough with the authoritarianism. This lady is dangerous and should be impreached. Her blatant disregard for the Constitutional rights of others is grounds. Not to mention, it’s about the stupidest idea ever to think that someone wanting to use a gun will now obey. Truly stupid.
In a working system, the impeachment, for violation of oath of office, would already be in the mill. But aside from maybe Florida, nobody has a working system anymore.
Wonder if this will put NM in play next year’s election. Yes, Albuquerque is likely facing problems through illegal immigration, but more importantly, the state is sandwiched between gun friendly TX and AZ. Besides, Hispanics have been moving towards the Republicans in recent years. Many of them are working class, and rural My memory is that 2020 was closer for the Dems, and there were allegations that election fraud put FJB over the top. Can they increase that margin, with everyone watching?
There’s been no change in what states NM is located between during my lifetime, and it has been careening leftward all that time anyway. In fact, the states surrounding it are now drifting leftward themselves, because entropy will not be denied. It just got to NM first.
To think I came this close to relocating in NM instead of AZ. I realize now that voting with my feet is no permanent answer because I’m just going to die tired, but at least I got 20 good years out of it.
Raw power trumps everything. Anyone here expert on the Bible and classicist philosophers? Because politicians, lawyers and the law have betrayed and failed us.
The brutish abyss looms.
The reason the Bible is relevant is because human nature never changes.
Hence my mention of the Bible and the Hobbesian reference.
For all Power given with trust for the attaining an end, being limited by that end, whenever that end is manifestly neglected, or opposed, the trust must necessarily be forfeited, and the Power devolve into the hands of those that gave it, who may place it anew where they shall think best for their safety and security.
–JOHN LOCKE
The right of a citizen to bear arms, in lawful defense of himself or the State, is absolute. He does not derive it from the State government. It is one of the high powers “delegated directly to the citizen, and ‘is excepted out of the general powers of government.’ A law cannot be passed to infringe upon or impair it, because it is above the law, and independent of the lawmaking power.”
–COCKRUM V. STATE (TX)
That’s what “shall not be infringed” means. It’s not rocket science.
This is not the hill we want to die on. We have our investments to consider. — The GOP
I was gonna downvote this comment because you forgot to add the requisite “strongly-worded letter.”
Careful. Milhouse is gonna have a hissy fit.
You can give priority to feelings or structure. You can’t do both. One breaks the other.
Women prioritize feelings, and they’re more or less in charge now.
The founding fathers always prioritized structure. That’s a reason to be an originalist, in cases where you can’t do structure yourself.
Feelings work in small systems, structure in large systems. The latter depend much more on stability. The former can make do with work-arounds when the need comes up.
I agree with what you said. And we are seeing the results of what a matriarchal society does on a civilization. We really need to start asking ourselves if a matriarchal society is really good for civilization and mankind.
World War One was the result of a European patriarchal society. But at least grandpa got to die like a man. Is that the point?
The point is women Are castrating all things make and masculine
Not a good thing
And women can be such bytches
But you know that
only if the men allow it
If she didn’t before, she probably does now. Good lesson, prof gonzo!
@MarkS, and men have allowed it.
This argument would only work if women were better at ruling. War is as much a part of man as breathing. Are you saying if women were in charge there would be no war? Maybe you’re correct because if more women were in charge their countries would be in disarray and they wouldn’t have time to fight other countries.
Monarchal more than patriarchal. I would put monarchal closer the matriarchal.
“We really need to start asking ourselves if a matriarchal society is really good for civilization and mankind.”
It’s been pointed out by others that the black community in the USA, since the Great Society, has become matriarchal. How well has that worked out?
Black thugs roam the streets and kill each other at higher rate than any other race. But at least we have three, strong black women going after Trump!
Well, if the men acted as men should, we wouldn’t have a matriarchal society.
But men allowed themselves to be run out of homes, allowed courts to hold all men in contempt, and gave women everything including power.
If men were men, they would all have refused to allow themselves to be emasculated.
If every one of them were willing to pull the fuck it handles, who would do the work that women are incapable or unwilling to do?
“Go ahead. Put me in jail for not paying women grift.” If all men stood in total solidarity, the US would stop in its tracks.
Jobs most women won’t do: (virtually every job that isn’t indoors with air conditioning and heat).
Who is gonna build houses?
Who is gonna run the shit filters at the shït filtration plant?
Who is gonna be the plumbers, electricians, carpenters, and any other dangerous job? Women? get thefuckouttahere!
Yeah, I know some women do these jobs, but not enough to keep the nation chugging along.
The same governor who thinks it is appropriate to fondle her male staffers.
New Mexico Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham has reached an at least $62,500 settlement with a former campaign staffer who accused her of sexual harassment, according to public campaign financial filings and a spokesman for the governor.
A campaign financial report filed with the New Mexico Secretary of State Tuesday shows five payments of $12,500 paid to Buckley Beal LLP for “legal expenses.” The monthly payments began in November 2020 and continue to the end of the report in March. No payment to the firm was made in October, or before then in 2020, according to filings seen by NBC News.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-mexico-governor-pays-62-500-former-staffer-sexual-harassment-n1264218
The actual amount paid was 150K. Most of the media didn’t report that,., I guess they though it might look serious at that level.
Things to note:
1) Note the silence. Granting that the Democrats control both houses of the New Mexico legislature and there will not be even a hint of impeachment. However there are Republicans in that legislature, and a statewide Republican party and this news has been out for over a day. And as best I can find, not one freaking Republican there has stood up to defend the Constitution and Bill of Rights. For some reason I am reminded of the Whig Party in the late 1850’s. That way lies interesting times.
2) Impeachment being out, it is important to know that from what I can find in a quick search that the right of recall is solely limited to county and local officials and state officials cannot be touched by the citizenry between elections. Recall is not possible.
3) That [2)] might be a factor in the Democrats choosing to do this in New Mexico,
4) There are reports that there will be a lot of people filing in court Monday. It must be noted that the suspension of the Constitution [ Don’t you just love the Democrat Governor’s statement that her duty to uphold the Constitution is “not absolute”?] is at first only for 30 days. Discussion by those involved in the case indicate that they intend to delay things in court till the 30 days expire, rendering that particular legal action moot. Then, with precedent, Governor Grisham can either renew, or redeclare, or expand the state of emergency repeatedly. There are other Amendments in the Bill of Rights.
5) Keep in mind that the Federal courts from the Supreme Court on down are extremely reluctant to take cases that could have a final decision that opposes the Left. They will delay as long as possible, even with the precedent of the post-Katrina seizure of guns in New Orleans being knocked down by the Supreme Court and the Department of Homeland Security budget afterwards where it was made illegal by statute for the government to seize private firearms without specific probable cause. The Grisham barring of carrying would be easily an extension of similar illegal actions under both the Supreme Court ruling and the DHS statute. If they will rule. You know that the Democrat DOJ will be fighting it being heard tooth and nail.
6) In an earlier thread here at LI involving the threat by the Federal government to make the northern border of Texas a replacement for the international border with Mexico and restrict the hostile foreign invaders from leaving Texas and going to Leftist areas [there is also Supreme Court precedent preventing the government from barring travel between states] I noted that action will push some people right up against lines you don’t want to push people to. The Left successfully claiming the right to void the Bill of Rights at will strikes me as pushing a critical number of people over those lines. If it happens it will me most untidy.
Subotai Bahadur
Subotai — “And as best I can find, not one freaking Republican there has stood up to defend the Constitution and Bill of Rights.”
It’s happening, but you won’t hear about it in the lamestream media — as usual. Pulled this from a site that’s been buzzing about this — The Truth About Guns.
🚨@RepBlock and I have asked legal counsel to start the impeachment process for @GovMLG for her violation of oath of office by mandating the ban of all firearms (even with concealed carry) in Bernalillo County.
However, when asked about a previous impeachment, the last House… https://t.co/0uF5MnXLbM
— Rep Stefani Lord (@Lord4NM) September 9, 2023
I don’t know what was left out of that tweet which continued, as the link took me to this tweet from last night:
Rep. John Block
@RepBlock
🚨 IMPEACHABLE: Extremist
@GovMLG
today illegally signed an order banning ALL Albuquerque residents from having their Constitutional right to carry a firearm either concealed or openly — violating both state and federal constitutions, laws, and statutes.
She even ADMITTED how illegal her order is, saying: “I am sure before you [the media] write this, there will be a legal challenge, and I can’t tell you that we win it, given all of the different challenges to gun violence laws and restrictions on individual firearm access and control.” All unconstitutional orders are null and void. Therefore, ignore this insane order as well as any others that come from her office.
7:03 PM · Sep 8, 2023
One more thing: the Republican Party of NM’s statement is quoted in the article above.
Sorry, Subotai, it looks like there is Republican reaction, unless I misunderstood your post.
I did miss it. My error and thank you for pointing it out. However they are speaking impeachment when the Democrats hold both Houses of the Legislature, rendering any such effort moot, sadly.
Subotai Bahadur
I fear that you are correct — with a small caveat. It could be the “snowball effect.” Plenty of unlikely subjects (Donks, Hogg, Lieu, Busse) have spoken out against the Governor’s actions. If the people make their disapproval known to their representatives, it could turn the tide.
It’s not likely, but wouldn’t it be something to behold?
Yup.
When your gun-grabbing distresses David Hogg, read the room, lady.
She just practiced what the Left really wants. This was a test run and it hit some steel. When Hogg and the rest speak up…. it’s time shut up and let the bans continue more quietly.
There are fast ways to legally stop her before the courts can even think to act, file against her surety bond for “practicing medicine without a license” and each count is for every person living in the county that is legally able to carry a firearm. By her declaring a “public health emergency” she has stated that she, regardless of any medical professional behind her, is acting a medical professional but has no license or training to do so. Burn her to the ground.
Moot? What is this, an election challenge? A controversy “capable of repetition, but avoiding review” ain’t just for abortions.
Did anybody find creepy her nonsensical, emotional word salad responses to reporter’s questions?
Everything about her infuriates me. During covid, she’d go on social media every single week, wagging her finger at us and telling us it was our fault people were getting sick and we had to obey her to save lives.
Yes — https://twitter.com/i/status/1700288222734020921
No, it’s standard boring commie-speak.
This is a classic probe of defenses. At some point one of these probes is going to cause a reaction that they won’t be happy with, you know, like your little brother after he has poked you one too many times.
Bingo. This is real world focus-group testing on gun ownership/rights.
>>Albuquerque, September 8th—Today, Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham signed an executive order to ban open and concealed carry of firearms in Albuquerque and Bernalillo Counties as part of her declared public health…<<
Not correct. Apparently the Governor signed a declaration that “gun violence” and “drug use” were public health emergencies in New Mexico. And it was Patrick M. Allen (Secretary of the New Mexico Department of Health) that promulgated and signed the decree imposing the firearms restrictions.
Of course, the two were probably in cahoots with each other and colluded for this outcome but it was Allen not Grisham that imposed the restrictions.
Grisham encouraged every municipality in the state to use the riot control act (which was used in the public health order) to “fight gun violence” in her executive order. The public health order that followed listed restrictions that came straight from the riot control act. That was ABQ specific and presumably, other municipalities could formulate their own orders.
A distinction without a difference. In Allen’s declaration, he states that he was directed by the Governor to do so. And Grisham sure has been owning the decision; note her statements “explaining” her actions.
I am more concerned with her stating she can operate outside of the confines of the law. The question should be … is it constitutional? … but the Left says “let’s do it anyway until someone else stop us.”
Shepulled the “no right is absolute” straight from the Party dogma… and probably done with aid from the Biden DOJ.
And so it begins —
“New Mexico Governor Michelle Grisham just declared a “gun violence public emergency” and BANNED the public carry of guns in Albuquerque and the surrounding county by executive order.
“Not on our watch! THAT IS WHY WE ARE SUING THE GOVERNOR OF NEW MEXICO!https://t.co/ekMRsXIu91 pic.twitter.com/kRDOt9bxZV ”
National Assn. For Gun Rights Files First Suit Challenging NM Gov. Grisham’s Unconstitutional Carry Ban — https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/national-assn-for-gun-rights-files-first-suit-challenging-nm-gov-grishams-unconstitutional-carry-ban/
The COVID tyrannies that popp;ed up all over America were un-Constitutional and about as un-American as anything. They were illegal, in and of themselves.
That said, this new idiocy from the commie in New Mexico has nothing to do with any actual emergency contingencies. This is clearly illegal from the very start because have nothing to do with “health” and cannot be any sort of “health emergency”, whether someone believes that our officials take on tyrannical superpowers in emergency situations or not.
Guns are not a health issue and everyone in the world knows that. All the officials involved in coming up with and carrying out this insane policy are the worst sorts of criminals that society can suffer under and they all need to be excised from free society and put away where they cannot affect anything ever again. This is the WORST sort of abuse of official positions and the punishment for this sort of action needs to be extreme and merciless. Seriously.
Oops. Forgot the main subject …
“This is clearly illegal from the very start because [guns] have nothing to do with health”
Yet.
Watch the psychological/psychiatric medical wing of our medical institutions gravitate into attaching a variety of mental maladies to anyone besides government sanctioned private/government gang activity interest in firearms.
Doesn’t matter. “Public health” and to a lesser extent, “public safety” have been identified by tyrants as backdoor passwords to the constitution, and until they get severely punished for it, they’re going to keep doing it.
The only real question is:
When are people who so flagrantly abuse governmental power in such extraordinary ways going to be held liable for their crimes and put away for the decades they deserve (at the very, very least)??
This is the question that will determine how much life this nation has left in it.
Not with our Republicans.
Unless you’re willing to become “armies of one,” enjoy the decline.
So the 13th ammendment is not absolute? Asking for a friend.
LOL
Politics attracts the worst sociopaths, along with dizzy narcissistic women. The old early Victorian period attracted the best leaders – landed gentry of the highest education and moral principle who had the leisure and honor to rule.
If the constitution, state or federal, and the rights that they recognize, are not absolute, then certainly an executive order or emergency order of a governor carries even less weight. So disregard her order just like she disregards the Constitution and the oath that she took. This is not about controlling guns for public safety, this is about the government wanting to monopolize the use of force. All uses of force from guns to Pepper sprays to clubs to knives to using your own fists in self defense. If the problem were guns, she could use her executive powers to strip the firearms from the police, possibly the National Guard and private security including her own. It’s not about the gun, it’s about their fear of the populace. Notice I didn’t say fear of the voters, because they can always fortify a few of those.
The first point of resistance must be the law enforcement officers of The state, who no longer have qualified immunity, and should be held civilly liable for any civil rights violations that are premised upon this executive order. Any law enforcement officer that is actual police and not a stormtrooper, will publicly declare that they won’t enforce these unconstitutional acts.
“Emergency orders are not absolute.” I love it. Throw it back in their faces.
“Any law enforcement officer that is actual police and not a stormtrooper, will publicly declare that they won’t enforce these unconstitutional acts.”
Katrina finally put a bullet into the head of that foolish hope, and COVID gave it a fancy funeral.
I think President Xi would really love New Mexico political culture.
Open carry rally in Albuquerque today at noon.
So to get this back on topic. Everyone here does realize this is a test case for step 2 in turning the US into a police state. If you don’t believe that this is approved at the highest levels of the current administration then I have some beach side property in New Mexico that I want to sell you.
This is just the next trial balloon. If they can get away with this one, the next will be someone like Gov. Hair Gel locking down an entire state. Then next comes the Feds.
We will be lucky if this only leads to another Ruby Ridge incident.
I’m praying it leads to another Davis-Coke incident instead.
“The Travis Rifles, summoned to protect Davis, were converted into a sheriff’s posse and protected Coke…”
I wonder if this will backfire as well as Klintoons AWB 94 that created 20 million new AR15 owners? The thing with these sociopaths is that THEY always want to be the ONE who gets all the credit.