Airlines Kick Families Off Flights Due To Mask Requirement For Toddlers
Nightmare Before Christmas: Mandating masks for toddlers is ludicrous, especially in light of study indicating effectiveness of airplane ventilation systems
Few aspects of the holidays can be more stressful than travel. For some families, the challenges are compounded because they are dealing with tired, hungry, and fussy babies and toddlers.
When government mask mandates are imposed, with questionable effectiveness in reducing the spread of the virus, it can result in a real “nightmare before Christmas.”
For example, San Diego mother Kaley Justice said that her family was kicked off an Alaska Airlines flight and forced to buy tickets on another airline to return home to San Diego because her child kept pulling down her mask:
Justice said her 7-month-old son kept pulling off her face mask while breastfeeding and she had a hard time getting it back on for a couple of minutes.
…Justice said Finn was cranky, so she started breastfeeding to calm him down.
“I was discreet. I wasn’t like crazy-topless or anything like that. I was covered,” she said. “[Finn] kept ripping my mask off because, he’s like, ‘Mom’s under there. Peekaboo! What the heck’s going on? I want to see your face.’”
Justice said she struggled to keep it on and hold onto her baby.
“I just held it in my hand for a second and I know [the flight staff] said multiple times, ‘You may take your mask off briefly to eat or drink,’ which, in my opinion, is a little more crazy; opening your mouth,” she said. “The flight attendant said, ‘You need to wear your mask.’ And I was like, ‘Oh yeah, I’m sorry. OK.’ And I put it back on and I’m still kind of fighting with Finn to get him relaxed.”
In a video currently making the rounds, a Colorado mom traveling with her child was booted off a United flight because, shockingly, her child wasn’t coping with the mask.
Today we got kicked off of a United flight going from Denver to Newark because our 2yo would not “comply” and keep her mask on. Go see the full IGTV on my Instagram @elizfulop ? pic.twitter.com/KXCICsBSMj
— Eliz Orban (@elizfulop) December 12, 2020
This has been an issue plaguing travelers for many months now. In August, a mother and her six children were kicked off of a JetBlue Airways flight because after her 2-year-old daughter wouldn’t wear a mask.
“It was extremely traumatizing for me and my family,” the mother, Chaya Bruck, 39, from Brooklyn, said in an interview with ABC News.
Bruck said she tried to put a mask on her youngest child, Dina, but she pulled it off.
“Should I tie her hands, what should I do?” Bruck asked the JetBlue flight attendant according to a video of the incident. “We have to deplane,” the attendant responded, explaining that the airline has a zero tolerance policy.
Clearly, the child was no activist deriding government policies. And other passengers defended Bruck, who was doing her best to manage her daughter under the circumstances.
Now that we have lived for nearly a year with the effects of coronavirus and the consequences of senseless imposition of politicize policy perhaps it is time to review our approach. For example, many states force everyone aged two and over to wear masks. There is a reason that age is referred to as “terrible.” The people who developed and implement this rule are clearly Grinch-like.
And those rules should accommodate some amount of common sense, such as not booting a breastfeeding mom off a plane because her child is fussy.
In fact, it appears good ventilation is a key factor in reducing the spread of the virus . . . not masks. One study shows airplane air is safer than that found in operating rooms.
A new study conducted for the Department of Defense adds credence to the growing belief that airline passengers face minimal risk of contracting coronavirus when flying.
The study found the risk of aerosol dispersion – transmission of the virus through the air – was reduced 99.7% thanks to high air exchange rates, HEPA-filtered recirculation and downward ventilation found on modern jets.
Investigators looked at the impact of an infected passenger on others seated in the same row and those nearby in the cabins of Boeing 767s and 777s. Those two aircraft types are widebodies typically used for long-haul flights where a virus would be expected to spread more easily.
…On most planes, the air exchange rate is approximately every three minutes and 75% comes from outside the plane, meaning that only 25% of cabin air is recirculated.
“The 767 and 777 both removed particulate 15 times faster than a home … and five to six times faster than recommended design specifications for modern hospital operating or patient isolation rooms,” the study continued.
Given the robust ventilation indicated by the study, any airline can safely bend the rules to accommodate families on board.
Finally, and as I noted before, mask mandates simply don’t work.
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We are now living in an idiocracy.
Don’t expect that to change in Joe and Kamala’s America.
If anything, it will get worse.
The only idiots are us – for tolerating this bullshit.
Freedom of movement is a Constitutional right.
That right has gone down the toilet. FOREVER.
Got that? It’s NEVER fully coming back: it will be be throttled on us like reins on a horse to impose the will of a tyrannical, corrupt government beholden to Communist China.
Next is Freedom of Speech.
We’re done, folks. We knew if hillary clinton got into the White House, she’d seal the deal with the Devil that biden now will. We knew we could never recover from a hillary clinton presidency. Now we not only got it, we got it criminally.
Start the discussion of how to move on from what used to be America. It isn’t anymore.
Try getting on an airplane naked and telling them freedom of movement is your constitutional right.
Try going to a movie theater and telling them you can yell ‘fire’ in a crowded theater.
You think this is an ‘airline’ decision? This Covid flu is – a flu. A flu turns your country into a dictatorship with a clowns like Fauci and Cuomo barking dictates?
You couldn’t travel unimpeded if you had SARS1, Measles, Mumps, Chicken Pox, or other communicable diseases.
Why do we expect to travel with SARS2?
And does this rise to the level of such anxiety? Masks are proven to reduce Covid transmission significantly. If everyone wore a mask and distanced, this Corona Virus would dry up. But people keep flouting the orders because somehow survival has become politicized.
Oh, the kid had COVID? How do you know that?
Can you travel if you have Swine flu?
And when in the history of commercial flight has anyone dictated who can fly based on a disease.
Wake the hell up!
1. Yes, you could. When were there any restrictions on flying with those diseases?
2. Nobody expects to travel with Wuhan flu. You’re deliberately making up a strawman.
3. Masks are not “proven to reduce Covid transmission significantly”. There’s no significant evidence for it. It’s pure guesswork, and the recently published Danish study, the first and only study published so far on the subject, puts a giant hole in it.
4. What has any of this got to do with the topic, which is the absolutely insane demand that parents somehow make their two-year-olds wear masks. Please tell me how exactly they are supposed to do that. Do you also expect them to sprout wings?!
Oh, and FineReport, there is no constitutional right to travel by commercial airliner. That’s why the no-fly list is legal.
No, they haven’t been. It is frequently asserted these days by Fauci and Redfield, but such assertions contradict their own studies that they published in May, as well as the result of the Navy study and the obvious ineffectiveness of mask mandates.
Anti-normal-family.
Children don’t die unless they have some underlying medical problem, and I’ve read they also are not transmitters.
Fauci & Company: You believe your own press. Big mistake. Wanton Cruelty roams throughout our land because of you.
You know what REALLY kills children? Tyrannical governments. Like the one we now have.
No minced words, no hyperbole: they literally kill them:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cambodia-rouge/khmer-rouge-jailer-says-ordered-killing-of-children-idUSTRE5572HZ20090608
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/children-during-the-holocaust
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Book_of_Communism
The very lives of our children are now in danger. And our children who are brainwashed by the malignant educational systems in place in our country will be programmed to kill US.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavlik_Morozov
The wheels are in motion. It’s a done deal.
Just another petty little bitch glorying in their power to make people follow their petty little rules.
They don’t care why the rule is in place. They love making people follow rules – and the LESS sense rules make, the better, because then they get to flex their power to make you do stupid shit that you KNOW makes no sense.
Airline workers are some of the absolute worst, surpassed only by bottom feeders in the PTA and Homeowner’s Associations.
They LOVE making people turn off everything imaginable 30 mintutes before the flight starts.
You’re kidding, right? Employees follow their employer’s rules and edicts, or they are out of a job. This is universal. If you want to make your own rules, then work for yourself, not someone else. The same is true of people making use of the services of another person’s company. Don’t want to follow, or can’t follow, the rules, on a commercial airplane, then fly in your own airplane. These companies have these rules because they are in business to make money not spend it on frivolous lawsuits because someone gets sick on one of their airplanes.
You are right, but I can’t imagine this happening so willingly in another time in our history.
Treason in our country is epidemic, it’s open and it’s flaunted. So is cowardice.
Biden is a Trojan Horse about to be wheeled into the White House.
Our country will NEVER be the same. It is ungovernable by one half over the other. If we governed the left half, we wouldn’t be looking to kill them. The left is looking to kill us.
Antifa and BLM are Brownshirt thugs, now being employed by the democrats and now – with biden in – the government.
https://www.fayobserver.com/story/opinion/columns/2020/09/12/dhs-ids-white-supremacists-not-blm-antifa-greatest-threat/3462713001/
Hitler’s ‘Antifa’ and ‘BLM’:
https://www.historyhit.com/hitlers-bullyboys-the-role-of-the-sa-in-nazi-germany/
Mao’s ‘Antifa’ and ‘BLM’, who murdered 100 million people:
https://www.thoughtco.com/who-were-chinas-red-guards-195412
It’s over.
There is absolutely no way any person could prove they caught a virus at any one location or event.
However, if the airlines want to make travel even more uncomfortable and inconvenient than it was pre-COVID, good luck staying viable.
I hated flying before COVID. I certainly will not be flying now with all these truly stupid and asinine rules and requirements.
Go ahead and go out of business… bitches.
I totally agree.
Flying is already an exercise in sheer tedium, punctuated by long periods of discomfort and irritation.
If I never fly again, it would be okay with me.
SOME airlines give their employees a great deal of discretion on how to handle situations that crop up. In short, their management places some trust in their abilities to think. I won’t start a Brand A ve Brand B flamewar here, but my experience with United has generally been Nuremberg-esque in following orders, while my experience with another large carrier yielded a lot of cooperation and customer service that was, and remains, refreshing in this day and age.
So what exactly do you expect parents to do, if their 2-year-old decides she doesn’t want to wear her mask?
You’re talking about the mom.. right? Let’s be clear. The airline workers don’t have the discretion to change company policy. The mother, on the other hand, had the choice to either try and work with her child in advance or drive to NJ. Instead, she subjected her toddler to stress and then cried victim on social media.
Yes, why blame the employees? They are only following orders, after all.
I mean, that excuse was canonized at Nuremburg in 1946, of course.
So you want the employee to sacrifice themselves over a stupid but legal action taken by the airlines. Because your “wants” take precedence over someone else’s rights.
That’s very leftist of you.
Your “argument” makes no sense what so ever. They kicked a family off an airplane because their small child would not wear a mask. The child is no threat to anyone, nor is anyone else on the flight.
In 1961 a Yale psychologist conducted an experiment in which the the study subjects thought they were administering ever more severe electric shocks to a person. A researcher in a lab coat merely told the research subject to continue administering the shocks though the person supposedly being shocked screamed and begged the research subject to stop. 65% of the research subjects continued to administer shocks until they “killed” the person being shocked. All participants went as high as 300 volts. The results of the experiment were published under the title “The Perils of Obedience”.
Plainly stated, yes, I do want employees to refuse to carry out stupid and immoral orders. I hope we all do.
The Milgrom experiment has been debunked. The subjects reacted the way they did because they knew it was an experiment and not real. That is no indication of how they’d react in a real situation.
Are you insane? Trying to mask a 2 year old is not doable. We are talking about a 2 y/o you childless nitwit.
The entire plane should have stood up and staged a defiant, loud walk out and dumped their proverbial tea in the aisles on the way out.
I’m not the one who is insane. I wouldn’t expect a 2yr old to wear a mask. The airline does as does the CDC. I wouldn’t subject my child to that policy by dragging her on an airplane and trying to force the issue. Why would any sane parent?
You may live in a state that doesn’t have a mask mandate. Good for you. I, however, live in a state where masks have been mandated in stores since May and everywhere except your personal property since June. Do I like it? No. Do I agree with it? No. Is it legal? YES.
If you want to fight for your “rights” you’d damned well better learn what is a “right” first.
“Is it legal? YES.”
Legality makes it right? It was legal to round up Jews and slaughter them in Nazi Germany. It was legal in this country to own people as property and to buy and sell them as desired. Legality has nothing to do with either right or wrong.
Your assertion that something must be done just because someone in “authority” tells you to do it is very troubling. It’s how they made SS guards. I would prefer you use your common sense, and show tolerance and mercy to those who need it, and who you are in a position to bestow it upon. Or you can simply follow orders, because, after all, they are orders.
That’s nonsense. I can absolutely guarantee you the employee had plenty of discretion not to kick the family off the flight. She could have just understood that the mother was doing the best she could, and accepted it.
And I’ll bet you’ve never dealt with a two-year-old in your life. They cannot be made to do anything they don’t want to. It’s not possible. They can’t be reasoned with, and they’re very strong-willed. They’ve just discovered the word “no”, and they revel in every opportunity to use it.
The only way to keep the girl’s mask on would have been to tie her hands, and if the mother did that I’d want her arrested for abuse. Maybe the mother should have suggested that the flight attendant tie the girl’s hands, and then called the police on her.
Agree with all you say here, but, to go buck up in the thread, I do no think the Milgram experiment has been debunked. One researcher in Australia has called it into question asserting Milgram manipulated the results, and that only half the participants fully believed it was real. However, even by this account, one third of the participants who fully thought the electric shocks were real continued to administer a lethal shock, so the results are valid. Remember that the participants were not in a coercive situation. Others have looked at the experiment and disagreed with this “debunking” analysis because most of the people who thought the shocks may not be real made that determination upon trust in the person in the white coat, that is, they still deferred to the “authority” in the room and thought they would not be directed to do something immoral or unethical. They were told to do it, so they did it. Most people who had doubts the shocks were not real held these views due to their trust in authority, not because their senses told them it was fake. There are always questions and controversy in research. “Debunked” is much too strong a term in this case, for sure.
I turn off my ankle monitor 40 minutes before the flight, to ensure that the circus has plenty of time to arrive before takeoff.
you have the airline employee in the correct lane, look up the United policy on mask, children are exempted from them
Only up to 2. 2-year-olds are required to wear masks. Which is insane. But the flight attendant could have accepted that the mother was doing her best to comply, and not kicked her off.
Flight attendents are amateurs compared to the low-level customer service minions at grocery stores who just love their new-found power to order people around. These are the futures Nazis we need to keep our eyes on.
I find myself disliking Pence for elevating the little dwarf Fooki-Pooki and Mumsy Brixit to top spot on the “Covid Task Force” he headed. Why these and not Atlas, Ionnidas and others who were skeptics. IMO Pence rolled over. I want to like him, but this just stops me.
All those stupid press conferences were a very big mistake of Trumps. Cost lives. Elevated the wrong people to prominence, gave them the bid presidential ok.
Just read *Corona: False Alarm*. Minutes from a high level meeting of the German govt show it was govt policy to *deliberately stoke fear in order to “facilitate compliance”*. Did we do that to? I’d like to see minutes of that Pence “Task Force”.
Good thing I don’t have thunderbolts, lots of bottoms on “experts” would be on fire.
Pence is a good guy, but he’s old school in his awareness of what’s going on. He understands enough of the left to keep his wife by his side in places he could be blackmailed. But he is in denial about the iron curtain about to envelope our country, funded and enforced by Red China.
Empires are always destroyed from within. So was ours.
As we’ve learned from countless Supreme Court nominations, it’s so difficult to predict who is going to stab you in the back until the knife actually goes in. And, to be fair, it’s not as if “experienced private-sector executives” have any better track record (Wray, Sessions, Barr, etc.)
I’m glad I’m old.
I wish I could say that. But I have progeny that I’d rather not see raised in Venezuela North.
The purpose of the mask mandates is solely to create visible uniformity among the masses. It is a form of de-individualization. It is a technique used in military training and totalitarian societies. It is designed to force conformity upon a populace. All of the responses to the COVID virus have been designed to bring about societal changes based upon fear. Slaves wear what they are told to wear and do what they are told to do.
exactly like Rome– only aristocrats could wear purple. France circa 1776– peasants could not wear wool. Muslims made dhimmies wear special clothes to mark them and make them look like fools.
Masks cause falls in the elderly because you can’t see your body or your feet. They also cause serious oxygen deficiency. Make you stupid. Wore a mask for app one hour. When I got home, could not work for an hour. Brain wouldn’t function. If all I did all day was watch TV I wouldn’t even have noticed. Idiots who watch the NOOZ to be INFORMED are all scared into ruining their own and everyone else’s health, shutting their own precious immune systems down.
The lockdowns in poor countries like India and in Africa cause people to starve to death. These tyrants have a lot to answer for. May they all get their just deserts.
They are causing my brain to grow–unfortunately it’s the part that stores and generates swear words.
Harassment while flying was limited to the TSA until Covid. Now the airlines are just as bad and don’t care about customer service. I’ve taken my last flight for a while after my Thanksgiving experience.
I quit flying after 2001 when they created TSA that could not find a terrorist to save their lives much less yours and i drive through what the left calls flyover country and enjoy the trips.
They tyranny begins. First, they made you wear a mask. Then they made you take a vaccine that has not been fully tested. Then they make you wear a Star of David.
It’s done. It is over. Our nation is not our nation anymore. We’re run by an oligarchy that is becoming day by day more malignant as it is exposed.
As of now, Trump will go down in history as a great a figure as Washington or Lincoln.
Lincoln freed 4 million slaves. Trump freed over 70 million slaves.
Today’s situation with this fixed election is analogous to Lincoln freeing the slaves, but then the government puts them back into slavery.
Our country is done. There is ZERO trust in our government, our educational systems, our news and our sports.
We’ll never change the corrupt rat’s next that is the American government, nor the 100 million useless idiots who blindly support it, or kill for it.
We have to begin the discussion of how to move on from it. Then we’ll be set for another 200 years.
When someone walks past outdoors maskless me and pulls their mask tighter as a form of shaming, I just remark “probably a lot easier to just hold your breath for 5 seconds.” Common sense disappeared long before the WuFlu showed up.
Common sense is mostly taught – either by parents, or by Darwin.
The lack of common sense is also taught. And it’s been taught in our schools for 2 generations.
Covid was a ChiComm attack, with the full cooperation of the American left.
If they tighten their masks I probably don’t even notice. But when they pass remarks I reply in kind.
The masks are off. Masks were normalized as a plausible alternative to physical distancing after the early weeks proved to be a burden for businesses isolating customers with different risk profiles, and governments seeking a viable solution to sustain Obamacares and other tax regimes.
Postoperative wound infections and surgical face masks: a controlled study
Effectiveness of Adding a Mask Recommendation to Other Public Health Measures to Prevent SARS-CoV-2 Infection in Danish Mask Wearers
Physical interventions to interrupt or reduce the spread of respiratory viruses
Don’t forget the Googles… goggles. The eyes are a window to contagion.
The irony of our times continues to manifest itself. I took a graduate course in Russian history in college years ago. Our Professor, who had lived in Moscow for years, said America would never succumb to socialism because we as a people were too independent, wouldn’t tolerate standing in lines and valued our freedoms too much.
Fast forward to post 9/11 TSA lines, Patriot Act snooping and now mindless anti-scientific mask mandates for toddlers, restaurant, school and church shutdowns without real evidence.
We have are ruled by a nation of pathetic children desperate for free (other people’s) stuff and willing to sacrifice liberty for perceived security.
Bad times ahead…
It’s obvious in retrospect, isn’t it? The only cruise the wife and I ever took was on a British flag carrier, 40 years ago. We were required to queue up formally outside the dining hall every evening, even though we all had permanently assigned seating. The logic of that escaped me even then. Now I understand it.
Bob Neil taught the same stuff in “Germany Since 1914” at Oberlin in 70’s. Will prove to be the best course that I took there. Now it is taught as “current events.”
Re: “As of now, Trump will go down in history as a great a figure as Washington or Lincoln.”
I disagree. I suspect that Trump will go down as an anomaly briefly interrupting the decline of America dating to LBJ. Trump creating an economy with reduced regulation such that anyone who wanted a job could get one – and especially for minorities – is the antithesis of “The Great Society”, affirmative action, welfare, Government control, etc that has been the dominant trend since the 1960’s and will continue under Biden.
If history were not written by the owners of the Memory Hole, there would be a chance of that. But now? No chance in hell. Trump will be the second coming of Hitler, from which the goddess Kamala valiantly saved America.
was wondering when the witch hunts would start
We need a firm date where *everybody* removes their mask. They can’t deal with 80 million of us.
That’s a superb idea. Let’s pick a date, and tell everybody on Facebook… no, maybe Twitter… well, how about Instagram? YouTube? Ham radio? Broadsides pasted in the Town Square?
“One study shows airplane air is safer than that found in operating rooms.”
As a person who (for several decades) developed respiratory illnesses connected exclusively with incidents of air travel, and almost never otherwise, my BS meter tells me not to bother even reading this.
As for the kid, buy her an “I will not comply” t-shirt, give her a cookie, and hug her sweetly.
If I still flew at all, I’d never fly JetBlue again.
Since retirement a couple of decades ago I have generally held to a standard of “If I can only get there by aircraft, I won’t go there.” I have flown once since retirement – to attend my brother’s funeral and that was before 11 September and increased “security”.
OT, but life-saving: Doctor testifies before U.S. Senate, that if you take Ivermectin, you will not get sick from the Chinese Virus.
Also, if you take it early, will substantially reduce chance of death.
https://youtu.be/Tq8SXOBy-4w?t=86
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0 1jb4 | December 12, 2020 at 8:03 pm
OT – thanks for posting that about Ivermectin for Covid, what is given as HeartGard for dogs. For anyone interested, I followed that article further and found this additional info:
The Argentinian study quoted is persuasive for use (together with Corrogeenan) as a prophylactic. None of 788 health care workers got Covid who got it, while 58% of the 407 who did not get Ivermectin got Covid. That is “statistically significant” by a gigantic margin; and there is no conceivable way that lack of random selection could be relevant. This is the study – https://trialsitenews.com/argentinas-ivercar-ivermectin-carrageenan-study-shows-positive-results-targeting-covid-19/
The comments are also interesting, with Ivermectin apparently being given for free to a city of 220,000 people in Brazil, with allegedly “very good” results. Here is more info on its use in Brazil with some very interesting comment on low Covid rates where Ivermectin is used in Africa to control River Blindness – https://trialsitenews.com/an-old-drug-tackles-new-tricks-ivermectin-treatment-in-three-brazilian-towns/
The whole thing could have been avoided if they had simply claimed that she is their Emotional Support Animal…
And this is why it should be completely legal, if not required by law, to throatpunch anyone citing a Zero Tolerance Policy as cause for an unreasonable action. They place morons in positions to make decisions that they clearly do not have the common sense to make.
{meek, postman-on-Burns & Allen-show voice> “If it saves just ONE LIFE…!’
/keep smilling….
America decks are awash…we are in a sea of morons.
This story appears to me to be more about parental ineptitude than cranky airline employees!
Huh? What could the parents have done? Could you undertake to force a 2-year-old to wear a mask for an entire flight?! Let alone while taking care of the other children?! Could you prevent a nursing baby from pulling his mother’s mask off?!
Making 2 year old wear a mask is possible, but I suspect that the flight attendant enforcing it would balk at what is required to accomplish it.
United is the very last airline I’d fly on. Surprised they’re still in business.
If Harris becomes president, next thing you know Fauci will demand anyone going near the White House must wear a condom – even women.
This mask thing reminds me of Woody Allen’s “Bananas”, where “All citizens are required to change their underwear every half hour. Underwear will be worn on the outside so we can check!”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukr3Y3unFhg
Our former country is not a parody of itself.
Children are the least likely to contract or spread covid19, or do these morons not know that?
Zero tolerance = zero thought
Zero tolerance = zero brains
Zero tolerance = zero common sense.
Zero tolerance = “you can’t blame me; I have this piece of paper which tells me I have to do this.”
That’s called the “Nuremberg Defense.” We rejected it 75 years ago; it’s frightening that it’s coming back.