Reader Poll: The Donald versus The Megyn
Who will emerge victorious?
PUT ASIDE THE MERITS of The Donald versus The Megyn fight.
This poll has nothing to do with who is right and who is wrong.
The sole question is WHO IS HURT THE MOST by the fight?
Poll Open until Midnight (Pacific Time) Tuesday, August 11, 2015.
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“Whatever her name is” is not going to be hurt by the bloviating blow-his-own-horn Donald Trumpet. No way, uh huh.
Get that man a wah-wah mute, sisters!
Last I had heard, Megyn wasn’t running for anything
Last I heard Trump isn’t a debate moderator
Last I saw, Megyn wasn’t either. Megyn was a staunch RNC operative in every way possible that night and beyond.
Megyn, you’re attractive yet your behavior at the debates and since has been despicable, IMHO. Cuteness doesn’t excuse your poor boorishness.
Every question she asked of every candidate was pointed.
If your guy can’t take the heat, he could stay out of the kitchen. What sissy boy the big bully turned out to be. A girl made him cry.
Oh BS estragon. If candy Crowley asked your boy, bush, some stupid retard question you would be on every board from east to west crying about the unfair “moderator”.
I don’t understand what you all think you have to gain by accusing everyone who’s not a Trump fanboi of being in the tank for Jeb.
Do you think that accusing a Walker, Cruz or Fiorina supporter of being a “Bushie” is going to get them to change their mind and start supporting Trump instead?
The underpants gnome called. He wants his election strategy back.
“I don’t understand what you all think you have to gain by accusing everyone who’s not a Trump fanboi of being in the tank for Jeb.”
Amy, try and use your head for something other than a hatrack. Buy a TV, do something useful.
I did not and have not accused “everyone” opposed to trump of being in “the tank for Jeb”. Just estragon, who has shown himself consistently to support the “party line”.
Learn to read for comprehension instead of dreaming.
Neither will Trump because he can’t shut his loud, oafish piehole long enough to even moderate a dogfight.
She’ll be running for ratings.
Kelly has just relegated herself down to the same farm team as Ann Coulter did.
Adios.
Trump actually came out better than when he went in. A lot of America has had enough of the hurt feelings camp of micro aggressions dictating policy.
Thank you Caytlen Jenner and the she-male who threatened Ben Shapiro.
TRIGGER WARNING! TRIGGER WARNING! LOL
Caytlen Jenner should run for President – on the Democrat Ticket!
I’m confused. You’re talking about Trump, right? ‘Cause he’s the one who went on national TV to play the butt-hurt bongos, not Kelly.
And he just can’t seem to stop, even when it cost him Stone. (Who he lied about firing.)
Rags,
At most conservative sites recently any thread on the Donald is soon dominated by those with newly registered user names who only click on other stories about the Donald. These newbies also tend to fall into ad hominem attacks or repeat the same stock language about two issues. If the site allows they down vote or even try to block any anti-Trump comments. The last thing ost of them do is attemot to engage in a debate of ideas.
In other words, an awful lot of this seems to be nothing but leftists with a mob mentality trying to lay down a bit of AstroTurf.
I suspect Trump finds a combination of media appearances in Manhattan news studios and paid trolls more to his liking than the tedious work of retail campaigning in early primary states.
It is a waste of time to continue to try to debate them.
Sure. It has not escaped my notice, either.
Though, I have to say that some of the other known commenters here are showing a strange “Ronulan” delusion and emotion that I would not have accused them of harboring.
Calling me a RINO is just laughable. Defending Mr. Establishment as our “conservative” savior is outright crazy.
I’ll just try logic and facts, but I know those will fall on crazed ears sometimes. There really is a strong draw to believe in conspiracy, even among people I thought better of.
THIS is what’s hurting Trump, and it has zip to do with Megyn Kelly…
http://twitchy.com/2015/08/10/ouch-dont-look-now-donald-trump-but-erick-erickson-crushed-your-lame-slam-attempt-with-1-brutal-truth/
He can’t stop.
I’m not concerned who got the worst of the backlash, actually.
The election isn’t this week and it wont be next week.
Trump broached Illegal Immigration & DHS’s & Sanctuary Cities’ coddling repeat immigration killers preying on citizens. Remember #KatesLaw?
Neither the DNC or RNC want to touch that in any meaningful way and Trump shoved their faces into it up to their necks.
I want to see more of that. I honestly dont believe Trump will be president.
As a presidential contender, however, he has now a bully pulpit to address many things the Political Parties dont what as public discussions.
Let the man, barnacles and all, have his say and do what he does. It doesn’t mean I want to have his baby.
Truth is, businesses can now bypass American blue collar labor when given the alternative of cheap foreign labor.
Girl, you’re making too much sense. The anti-Trump crowd can’t grasp it.
Sense? Let’s examine…
“Trump broached Illegal Immigration & DHS’s & Sanctuary Cities’ coddling repeat immigration killers preying on citizens. Remember #KatesLaw?”
Certainly NONE of us…or anybody, really…has EVER mentioned any of that. Right…? Why THAT was completely unheard of before Mr. Establishment mentioned it.
“Neither the DNC or RNC want to touch that in any meaningful way and Trump shoved their faces into it up to their necks.”
If you completely ignore Cruz, Perry, etc., and various and sundry pundits on various and sundry media. Then, sure…I guess.
“I want to see more of that. I honestly dont believe Trump will be president.”
‘K.
“As a presidential contender, however, he has now a bully pulpit to address many things the Political Parties dont what as public discussions.”
And Sarah Palin has never had a bully pulpit WITHOUT running for POTUS as something she is NOT, while never having ONE billion dollars, let alone the YUUUUUUG forturne Mr. Establishment claims????
“Let the man, barnacles and all, have his say and do what he does.”
Who could possibly stop him? He’s an oligarch. They kinda get to do what they want.
Besides, his own mouth is blowing holes in his yacht. I say, “Fire away! Just don’t bitch when people don’t care for your company”.
You can’t have a rational argument with hysterical people.
The Trump way is pretty easy, too – you never have to answer difficult questions, just call the questioner names and complain it’s unfair. Call the Spoiled Brat Plan. Lots of subscribers, apparently.
Rags, Trump has a full business package, and he wants to take on the BIS (Bank of International Settlements) and their unfair exchange rates. Cruz calls the Washington cartel a criminal organization, but the plan (e.g. import taxes) is not in his rhetoric.
People are tired of losing to everyone else because we have a rotten government. That is the Trump appeal. Every Joe Sixpack I talk to says it, but the intellectuals don’t understand it.
Trump surged in the polls after the Kelly exchange. Kelly got a black eye. I would say the Kelly attack helped Trump.
Yesterday, I heard a Trump puppet (his lawyer, name got past me) declare that under Trump SS, Medicare, Medicaid…ALLLLLL the big entitlements…would be fully funded. Trump would just grow us into such prosperity, we’d have money for everything.
Which is crazy.
They think Trump is gonna give us all free money, out of his stash?
First, the buildings and service staff of Trump’s empire are built from the sweat of illegals. He outsources the manufacture of his Trump clothing line to China and Mexico. He is hiring more Mexican workers from Mexico right now for temporary work. All that money goes back to those nations. It doesn’t stay here and slosh around in our economy. His empire has contributed to the problem of the beacon that attracts the cheap labor that undermines jobs for Americans.
Second, Trump certainly did not raise the issue of illegal aliens. Other candidates have put forward plans and it has been in the forefront of public dialogue for well over a year, and only slightly less so in previous years. Rick Perry’s plan is the best, and it’s better than Trump’s. It does not feature a revolving door in the middle to re-enter after jumping through a few hoops.
The man wants nationalized health care, for gawd’s sake, and he supports the Kelo decision. He supports the Assault Weapons Ban and stricter gun control and government regulations. He supported TARP, obastard’s stimulus, and the auto bail-out. He doesn’t support Right-to-Work. He supports government-mandated multi-tiered wage controls. I could go on and on. He was the biggest RINO on that stage.
Fox didn’t make Trump a controversial character on the national stage. He did.
Fox didn’t try to shut Trump out. He got more talking time than any other person up there and the questions asked of others were equally challenging. Everything he was asked about are all topics he has made public statements about, except the question about the Iranian general traveling to Moscow, which he ZERO about and changed the subject.
Trump was out of his depth on that stage and tried to make Megyn Kelly the fall guy for his ineptitude and losing his cool.
According to your rationale for Trump being there to begin with, Rosie O’Donnell or Mike Tyson should be accepted on the stage and given serious consideration.
It’s just silly. You people have no idea what you’re talking about and you refuse to learn. I guess Ross Perot wasn’t enough. Barack Hussein Obama wasn’t enough. You people are bound and determined to give us another egomaniacal, mercurial narcissist to finish us off completely.
Good summary, and as you say, there is more.
Trump lies, but tries to do it in the Clintonesque way. He was just on FOX now, repeating the lie about Walker having a “$2B loss” in Wisconsin, instead of a projected gain. Even Politifact found that mostly false. Walker actually returned previous real gains as tax cuts. The $2B shortfall forecast includes ALL PROPOSED budget items, and is just the result of the economic slowdown resulting in PROJECTED lower revenues for 2015-’17 budget.
As walker points out, it is a Democrat talking point (lie), that Donald keeps repeating. But that’s The Donald, popular smear merchant liar. Fortunately FOX had Walker on to rebut the claim, but it’s hard to unwind the series of half truths or blatant lies Trump spews.
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2015/jul/28/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-under-scott-walker-wisconsin-bud/
And on FOX he called it a LOSS, while Mr. Supersmart Business guru knows it is just a forecast including all proposals, adjusted as revenue streams change.
Trump tells us how smart he is in business, so he knows he is lying about Walker’s WI “loss”, but he repeats the Democrat lie anyway, because he is scum. Like Obama did with Rev. Wright and the rest, he will try to get away with lying about his last 20 years. Hope and Change Baby. But he won’t have the media to support him in the general.
Duuno who wins, but I know who loses. In the process of selecting a GOP nominee for president of the US, the focus is on a cable TV reality show-like Battle Of The Network Stars between Megyn Kelly and Donald Trump. American loses.
Megyn what?
Megyn me-me-me-me-me Kelly.
bob, nobody…not one…who is an “on-air” personality is a shy, retiring wall-flower. They HAVE to have a talent for self-promotion.
What’s high-larry-ous is your juxtaposition of Kelly with Trump (Mr. Maxi ME).
People already knew who Trump was – he is what he is, and if someone was unaware of that prior to the debate, they’ve been hiding under a rock. Kelly, on the other hand, had more of a reputation (I think) of being more evenhanded, and for her to focus on petty questions rather than substantial issues diminished whatever stature she might have enjoyed prior to the debate.
Megyn Kelly had more to lose, and hence she was the greater loser IMO.
In terms of how network media corporations like FOX look at it, there can be no losers among their on-air staff when they pull in 24,000,000 viewers. It’s similar to the Hollywood bromide that there is no such thing as bad publicity.
Agreed, at least to a certain extent. Kelly [and Fox News] depends on a reputation for at least not being hostile to the soon-to-be former Republican voter base. PC arguments against them do not help that. However, if Kelly can continue in that vein, she may be viewed as having “grown” and get a gig with one of the more blatantly Leftist media groups.
I think somebody fed her that question, and it was unfair to Trump.
What was unfair about the question? Don’t you think conservative voters want to know if his comments to and about women are going to come back to haunt him in a general election should he get the nomination? Do you think these remarks he’s made are a secret that would never have surfaced were it not for Megyn Kelly raising it?
We got robbed by Fox News, when she says “if you can’t get by me how are you going to get by Putin” what a joke.
Why didn’t she ask what Trump or any candidate about their plan to handle Iran, grow our jobs, what about a space program, and what about Russia, part sales by PP, black violence, Louis Farrakhan wanting to enlist 1000 black youths to get weapons and kill white Americans ? Why did they do what they did? Why, and Brit Baeir too, I really thought I could trust him.
They thought it was all about ratings and got-ya questions, Brit Hume must have been nostalgic for his hateful Tim Russert days.
I agree with Mark Lavin, Fox owes America an apology, no matter how you think Trump acted.
It’s not a joke. It’s true. If Trump gets so upset with a newsie at Fox, what’s he going to do about Putin? How about the mullahs? How about Erdogan? I doubt he knows who Erdogan is. Is he going to throw a hissy fit if Angela Merkel asks him something he doesn’t want to talk about? Will we hear for days about what assholes the Germans are, how he can make better steel than they can because he’s rich, their beer is lousy and their cheese stinks?
You said he wasn’t asked about a plan for Iran. Heh. He was asked about this Iranian general Sulieman dude who is under UN sanction/exile to not leave Iran. He flew to Moscow where he met with Putin to discuss arms sales, a big no-no even by UN dictate. He was a deer-in-the-headlights. He did not have CLUE ONE what was being asked, who he was being asked about – completely brain-dead, vacuous, flat-line expression. He looked away and didn’t even TRY to answer. He changed the subject and did not answer – didn’t even get close to an answer, just babbled incoherently in very broad terms about how he’ll straighten everybody else and repeated his America great again slogan or something. I knew about the Iranian general, and I’m certain most of the regulars here knew about it, too. Why doesn’t a man who proposes to be the leader of the free world know about this very serious breach and what it portends?
I’m not especially impressed with the way Megyn Kelly, Erik Erickson, or Donald Trump have been comporting themselves. They’re all acting like puffed-up self-centered drama queens to one extent or another, as far as I’m concerned. They all come out of this a little worse for wear.
I’ve never been a Red State fan; and I haven’t had a TV since college; so the first two don’t really affect my day-to-day life. Trump, however, is running for President of the United States. His temperament, his character, and his core beliefs will affect my life if he’s elected. And from what I’ve seen of the candidates so far, I’d feel much safer and on much more solid ground with a President Walker, Fiorina, or Cruz than with a President Trump.
President Fiorina, I’m learning as I look more closely, will be Jeb ir Obama (on some things) in a dress.
Funny, I had that exact same thought today, Fiorina is a female Jeb Bush. Now that it’s been revealed that she bashed Cruz in 2013 for the shutdown in order to repeal Obamacare, and again the day before the debate she said he had no honor in wanting to defund Obamacare, she is off my list.
She is also pro-amnesty and connected to Commoncore, so non-starter now, all the way.
If those are your standards, then Trump by definition must also be a “non-starter” and “off your list.”
Fiorina is also for cap-and-trade. Further, like Trump, she supported TARP, the auto bail-out and obastard’s stimulus.
She’s not quite as RINO as Jeb is, but darn close. She’s off my list.
Fair enough – I’ll have to look into her further. I really only started paying attention to her this election cycle, so don’t know a lot about her history. Candidates like Walker, Cruz, Perry, etc are easier to suss out because they’ve been politicians longer, so their views have been in the news more.
I support her as VP still, because she is so effective at attacking Hillary. With an LIV majority in both parties, perhaps only a woman can do that so well, and Carly is capable at handling the adversarial MSM.
Also she may be helpful in taking votes from Jeb if she shares some of his RINO tendencies. But she hasn’t been vetted on all those issues, and her web page doesn’t have an “issues” tab. Maybe she has “evolved” since her CA run.
I practically lived on RedState until it devolved into verbal firebombing in 2008 thanks to Ronulans. Gave it up altogether forever after Erickson joined CNN. I don’t blame him for disinviting Trump, but inviting Kelly in Trump’s place was an insult to all the conservatives who – while we do not necessarily support Trump – support what Trump has been doing.
That said, if the GOP and RNC were doing their job properly, Trump would not be a factor. At all.
Ted Cruz is Bibi’s man and my man.
Nothing but upside for everybody involved (with the exception of viewers tuning in expecting to see an actual debate)! Trump gave Fox a ratings bonanza and Megyn Kelly’s name expanded way beyond the Fox network overnight. Trump is UP in the polls and he’s having a great time entertaining the country. Everyone else is scratching their butts trying to figure out how to make him go away.
…aaaaand: I’m getting pretty tired of the “If you’re not for Trump, you’re an anti-liberty establishment RINO who loves Jeb Bush!” trope. This is where some of his most ardent supporters remind me a little too much of Ron Paul’s more hysterical fan base.
So settle down a bit, Trumpeteers… you’re freaking people out a little.
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I hear you.
While I am not a quote Trump Supporter unquote, I am also not a quote Trump Hater unquote.
I am a due process supporter. Fox’s efforts to underhandedly shut out a contender for president by any means necessary in the first debate is not cricket.
If Trump is not presidential material I will judge that for myself in due course. I neither want, nor need, TV talking head nannies telling me how to think and not think.
If they produce intel that can be confirmed I tuck that into my reference file as evidence.
Trump has to be accepted as a candidate and the post-debate polls reflect that that will happen or else.
Shame on FOX.
“Fox’s efforts to underhandedly shut out a contender for president by any means necessary in the first debate is not cricket.”
It’s also a fruit-cake fantasy.
As noted here and elsewhere many times by many commenters, Fox did what commercial TV networks DO.
I think we all take exception to their choice of emphasis, but nobody on that stage that night was under any delusions about the process, and if they were, they and their people are too stupid for the work. AND they were there voluntarily.
So, THAT is one issue.
If Fox HAD asked substantive questions, there’s no guarantee that Trump would have come off that stage and gone on national TV the next day to whine about how unfairly he’d been treated. Is there….???
Trump himself was all “I’m number one…I’m number one” and declaring he felt he won the debate. He also shut himself up during the debate.
He should have gone with that.
You want a war with me, Rags? I’ll give you a war. You have no idea the tenacity I am capable of. You will not dominate me. Oh, and I can hit those thumb down buttons like you are doing till hell freezes over.
As far as I am concerned you are a “fruit cake fantasy,” moron.
Go procreate yourself.
Can’t deal with the logic, huh.
I’m good. You’ve again shown your quality.
Keep it up butthole.
“Fox’s efforts to underhandedly shut out a contender for president by any means necessary in the first debate is not cricket.”
I guess that Carson, Cruz and Walker getting almost no time was just a coincidence? I guess asking who would not support the eventual Republican winner was a coincidence? I guess asking Trump about some eight year old response to Rosie O’Donald’s rant on her TV show against Trump and his family just happened to be sitting on Kelly’s desk top? I guess showing nothing but Christie and Paul quarreling as the “Highlight” of the debate is not trying to disrespect them? You need to get out of the basement a little more often and see the real world.
“I guess that Carson, Cruz and Walker getting almost no time was just a coincidence?”
What do you think? It was a dark Roveian conspiracy?
“I guess asking who would not support the eventual Republican winner was a coincidence?”
No. I think that was a very valid question in the circumstance where Mr. Establishment and Clinton bud was making cute about a third-party run.
“I guess asking Trump about some eight year old response to Rosie O’Donald’s rant on her TV show against Trump and his family just happened to be sitting on Kelly’s desk top?”
No. I think it was PUT on her desk top BECAUSE he’ll be facing it one day or other.
“I guess showing nothing but Christie and Paul quarreling as the “Highlight” of the debate is not trying to disrespect them?”
I think it had nothing whatsoever to do with “respect”. I think it was controversial, ego RATINGS.
“You need to get out of the basement a little more often and see the real world.”
You need to use your head, because you can bet I am. AND you need to find some way to counter my points besides trying to pick a fight.
“What do you think? It was a dark Roveian conspiracy?”
No, we think it was a Fox news conspiracy to push bush. It is clear to anyone “thinking” that fox was out to get trump, promote bush, and ignore anyone not a threat to bush. That fox failed at these things is not evidence they are not the truth.
“No. I think that was a very valid question in the circumstance where Mr. Establishment and Clinton bud was making cute about a third-party run.”
“Clinton bud”? You do mean bush correct? The son of the “brother from a different mother”, that would make Bill Clinton Jeb’s uncle.
The question had two parts by the way, pledge not to run 3rd party and pledge to support the party nominee. Trump was the only truthful one, IMNHO. I certainly will not support bush, Huckabee, and some others.
“No. I think it was PUT on her desk top BECAUSE he’ll be facing it one day or other.”
Sure. Had nothing to do with trying to embarrass Trump. It failed of course. Good ole fox was just trying to “help” trump by getting it out early.
I think it had nothing whatsoever to do with “respect”. I think it was controversial, ego RATINGS.
OK, agreed on this one.
“You need to use your head, because you can bet I am. AND you need to find some way to counter my points besides trying to pick a fight.”
Done.
Jeb! won’t be the nominee.
You and I need to get behind one of the real Conservatives (or at least one of the real doers) and make this election ours.
Mr. Establishment is not how that gets done.
And Fox is not the enemy. It is just a media company, acting exactly like one. Eschew conspiracy madness.
Rags, I’ve been behind Cruz from the beginning, including making a small donation. There are a couple others I can tolerate or get behind.
I agree Jeb will not get the nomination. We disagree on the reason. Absent Mr. Trump, Jeb would be in the lead and the establishment R’s would make sure he stayed there. Trump has destroyed them, so I will give him my thanks. I’m more than happy to use that chainsaw.
It is probably true at this point that the nomination is between trump and bush. I will continue to support Cruz and hope it turns. there are promising signs, but it is an uphill battle.
I agree with you. Despite he who rags.
Wasn’t one of the 24mil, but they were tuned in before Megyn said a word so the ratings had nothing to do with the questions or answers. Character questions are fair game in my opinion, but after all the wailing about the lousy job the other networks have done with Presidential debates and the chatter about how Fox could do it better, sounds like Fox failed to improve upon the other networks’ efforts, choosing to stage an interrogation rather than moderate a debate. I don’t believe that the choice they made was the reason for the huge ratings. The candidates were the reason.
I have little doubt Fox will misinterpret the high ratings as “approval” of their approach. Sad, but likely.
People tuned in to see the debate and get a chance to see the candidates debate EACH other. What they got was an all out assault not only Trump but on most of the other candidates. The backlash has been enormous, so while the initial numbers were great, I expect to see a drop in viewership…especially in Ms. acerbic Megyn Kelly’s show.
The moderators came out loaded for bear, spitting nails at the candidates, and people think the candidates were the bad guys? No, I don’t think so.
BTW, while I am not a Trump supporter, I am a defender of him and the rest of the candidates. Just because a guy named Erickson deliberately talks about personal lady functions and says Trump said it doesn’t make it so. I’m a lady, and wondered what in the world lives in his mind.
FOX has taken a hit. The scrambling and all the interviews for pats on the back tell the real story. No one will trust FOX now. Once credibility is gone, it’s gone. It’s a character issue. Easy to lose, very difficult to get back…
I quit Fox years ago for various reasons (way too many braindead lefties, Rove, Coulter, Powers, etc., 0bozo-all-the-time) and tuned in Thurs. night for the first time in years. Validated my reasons to quit all TV and print news and choose what online new sites to check in with. Kelly’s overt narcissism (5 lbs. of fake eyelashes?? NOT A SERIOUS PERSON) and snark that set the tone were repugnant. If anything, she earned Trump MORE respect. People can dis him all they want but that evening boomeranged on Fox more than on Trump.
Journalists need to ask tough questions, early and often. That includes cheap shots (I think this one was a reduced price shot). Better now then a month before the election.
It is time the press (Megan) is told she does not determine who the candidates are. She was not NEUTRAL — she was snarky and biased.
I totally agree – Megyn Kelly was gunning for Donald Trump – I couldn’t believe it as I watched it. I will never watch her show again, so she loses that. And, I was never a Trump supporter at all, Walker is my guy, but Walker did terrible and Trump did okay given the unfair barrage he was subjected to. I may very well end up voting for Trump if Fox keeps this up.
Why does it come as a surprise to anyone that Trump is jerk?
Years ago I thought Kelly was a force. After reading about and seeing clips of her wallowing in the sty during what they called a debate, she’s tarnished herself beyond redemption in my eyes.
It is the people making this an issue who are hurt the most.
Donald Trump didn’t finsh the sentence because he had a senior moment. (which he won’t admit to)
He forgot what goes with blood coming out of the eyes.
Hours later, he came up with ears – and then finally remembered –
…the NOSE.
The same thing happened to Donald Trump that happened to Rick Perry in a debate the last time around, when Rick Perry couldn’t remember what was the third federal agency he wanted to eliminate.
Here, Donald Trump couldn’t remember what the cliche was.
No, not a senior moment. It’s actually fairly common when people are speaking off the cuff and the English language lends itself to quirks in its vernacular. The saying is actually blood in the eye, steam out of the ears, spitting nails. Take your pick. All of them applied.
Even if you think senior moment it doesn’t justify a lie by a pundit to poison the well.
Donald Trump is mildly hurt by all of this because he never should have made the comment, even the actual one and it highlights his appetite for retaliation. he’s doing this all the time.
Pretty soon his insults may not look like a sign of honesty but a sign of dishonesty.
Really? I saw the whole debate and thought Megyn came out loaded for bear, blood in her eye (or fire in her eye), but the idea he shouldn’t have said what? What Erickson said he said? That’s a lie and trying to poison the well with HIS interpretation is wrong. This is about fairness and right and wrong. Donald is Donald and will stand or fall on his own, so too, the other candidates. I just want to see them do it on their own without fatal pushes from the Establishment GOP and malignant media, and certainly not FOX news.
I used to watch FOX all the time. Stopped after 2012. Occasionally watched Bret Baier and Megyn. Quit her several months ago…still, I was shocked by their combative behavior – as moderators they injected themselves into the entire debate. Over 30% of the time was theirs, spewing their animus and obviously with an agenda. They’re the ones who came to do bloodsport.
“That’s a lie and trying to poison the well with HIS interpretation is wrong.”
Well, no. It isn’t a “lie”, and it sure isn’t unique to him. See Fiorina, Carly.
You’ll find that it’s a very common view among Conservatives, if you read a bit.
IF it was innocuous, why did Mr. Establishment feel compelled to lie about it serially? Read up on THAT, too. Why not simply say, “That was a slip of the tongue, and I had no intention of suggesting that”? Partly, I suggest, because in the CONTEXT of his bitching and whining about his treatment it is because what he said was what he meant. Find an actuality of the interview.
I did see the debate, start to finish. In my opinion, it is highly likely that most of the people complaining now did not see the debate. At the time, the the twitter response for both the moderators and the candidates was very approving. It’s only after the debate was over, when Donald Trump started his nastiness on CNN and Twitter, that the criticism started. It is also true that Rush Limbaugh had primed some people to believe that Trump would be the focus of unfair treatment, and Trump has said that he had been the focus. A lot of the commentary sounds as if people believe Trump was singled out.
In fact, they each got hard questions. Every one.
Jeb Bush got asked the “dynasty” question. Trump did not get anything that difficult. That dynasty issue is a deal-killer for a lot of people, including me. Was a deal killer for me. His answer was so good, as were his others, that I might have to take another look at him.
As for the high ratings, I suspect that it was because everybody that turned on that debate stuck with it. If it had been boring or stupid, I would have turned it off. Instead, I was surprised at how well-researched (and scarey!) the questions were. And the candidates’ responses were very good. I even came away liking the candidates that were at the bottom of my list better than before.
Nobody has been hurt by the uproar after the debate. The people who are mad at Megyn Kelly now probably were not FOX viewers in the first place. Donald Trump has lost my respect by failing to know when he had given a winning answer, and therefore when to stop. However, I prefer at least six candidates before him, so he won’t be missing anything.
The dynasty question was hard? LOL! It was apparent from the outset that the Fox people were gunning for Trump. They were rude, crude, and crass. They were not moderators; they were inquisitioners. We expected them to be otherwise. Trump handed to them what he received. After having a president who never responded to slurs, a president who slurred anyone who didn’t agree with him, here is Trump slamming the people we all have wanted to slam—the LSM and the aborted pretenders like that great hypocrite Ericsson. Let Trump be heard and leave us alone to decide for whom we will vote.
Yes. They WERE inquisitors. JUST EXACTLY LIKE THE CANDIDATES HAD AGREED TO FACE.
Here’s a stroke from a clue-bat…you only need ONE moderator at a real debate.
DUH!
This was NEVER, EVER intended…or agreed…to be a debate.
It WAS a glorified “news” event.
And NOBODY was there to put the ball an the batting tee for lil’ Donald to swing at. He wants to be in the Bigs, and if he can’t hit the pitching, he’s out-a-dare.
Think.
LOL,
Apparently he hit a home run.
If you mean he hit it outadapark in terms of acting like a pathological prick, yeah.
He’s the Sutan of Swat in that department.
Why do you think Stone quit him?
(And note that Mr. Establishment had to lie about that, too.)
Actually I think “blood coming out of…eyes” still gets the cliche wrong.
It’s supposed to be:
Like this:
http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2015/07/damian_lillard_eager_to_lead_and_be_face_of_new-lo.html
Usually, there’s no second place there is also blood.
Here is the cliche applied to a female:
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/7781431/1/With-Blood-in-Her-Eyes
Oh good lord!
I won’t argue with wheter you want to say about the metaphor. ( Like it’s the first metaphor completely mangled! )
But that piece of fan fiction is so pathetic that even Kok the gorilla could do better!
I meant Koko.
No nose, though.
No wonder Dmnald Trump couldn’t finish his metaphor.
But in medicine, we think automatically of blood coming from the ears, that’s with head trauma. Not funny, but it’s clear that Donald couldn’t quite think of the exact cliche, and that’s what all of this is about American English vernacular speech. Funny thing, I thought Kelly seemed to be “spitting nails” and now I know that’s what she does.
I would have had an option number 5 “The American People”.
Donald Trump made the same error when it came to Chris Wallace, saying:
“There’s a big difference between Mike Wallace and Chris Wallace. You know, I watched him last night too, blood pouring from his eyes.”
One cornerstone of journalistic ethics is that you never, ever inject yourself into the story. (Please don’t deploy the ‘but everybody does it’ argument, this not being a playground). Once again, a journalist has become part of a debate she had promised – under the claim of being a fair TV journalist – to treat objectively (Fair And Balanced!). Any assessment of Megyn Kelly ought to answer this binary question:
Did she willfully make herself part of the debate, or was she manipulated or ordered to do it? (It was no accident).
If so, toss her on the journalism shit pile as just another hack, like Candy Crowley, for example.
If not, who manipulated or ordered Kelly to inject herself into the debate? Ailes? Murdoch? Satan?
All this hubbub is standard operating procedure for Trump – he’s being nothing else for thirty years – but from the vids I’ve watched, she stepped over a line, failed, in terms of maintaining objectivity on behalf of the viewing audience (you know, the people who buy all the merchandise and services advertised for 3 out of every 15 minutes, the real motivator behind any cable TV news channel?)
…or…
Did she do what she’s KNOWN for?
Which is, smart, hard-hitting, probing questions backed by excellent preparation.
Even people who work with her will tell you, when they showed up unprepared, they were careful to prepare NEXT time.
From her POV, she did exactly what she’s hired to do, and showed no bias. Like I said, nobody expected her to go out and put a ball on the tee for anybody there. They were all purported Big League hitters.
There’s no fair comparison to Crowley, who intentionally queered a debate.
Is it possible for two people to draw differing conclusions and yet neither is wrong? I speak of opinions, of course. I saw ‘gotcha’ served up and down the ten podium stage, but served by teaspoons here and buckets there.
Well, that gets into perceptions and all that good stuff.
I will say this…if I’ve got a juicy witness on cross who I KNOW has some exposure to stuff, I WILL drill into them and exploit any sore spot they’re dumb enough to show me, versus a calm, well-prepared witness who is just there to answer questions truthfully.
And you, watching, would say I really went after the one, and not the other. Which would be true enough, but you wouldn’t understand the “why”. (Or, maybe, being you, you would.)
Exactly, Henry. My husband and I were wondering when they had redefined what a debate was and what the role of the moderator is in a debate.
Our experiences in debates was debating our opponent not debating the moderators. The FOX moderators had an obvious agenda and fell into the dung heap the rest of the malignant media is already in. Now we know for sure about FOX.
Megyn was “gunning for” Trump it seemed, because “The Donald” has the most outlandish behavior to target.
Just as Hillary is dealing with her problems now so it can later be “old news”, it seems OK that FOX targeted these bigger issues for all candidates now. Also it is called “obviating the objections” … if you know something will be an issue in a sale, you handle it yourself up front, so the buyer doesn’t have it in defense. (ideally)
So Megyn and Trump both upped their notoriety, both came out OK in some senses. Being outrageous seems to be the path to fame now.
but Trump is already talking about a quick path back with citizenship for the 11 (or 30) million illegals, and he praised national health care recently enough that his open state borders for insurance did not seem so comprehensive.
Since Trump sees bilking creditors as fine, as long as it is within the law of bankruptcy, why do we think the deal he makes with voters is any more solid than deals with those bond holders that lost money? He sounds like Obama … promises are just things you tell voters to get the vote, then you go with “I Won”.
Trump like Obama is promising hope and change, and calling everyone else a moron, which many angry populists love. But Trump doesn’t have the media, just his own fame and his billions. Maybe that gets him the primary, or maybe he wins enough establishment haters to keep Walker or Cruz or Fiorina out, and he pushes Bush in, who then loses to Hillary.
btw, Obama constantly “obviates objections” using straw men. Recently he said opposing his deal was basically treasonous, and made common cause with the mullahs. Other times he says disagreeing means you are a racist … you’re not a racist, are you? Obama uses a more perverse way to overcome the objection.
Okey dokey, someone’s got this debate covered, with everything except what many of us expected to find.
Seriously, I was being naive and hoped that the highly vaunted FNC team of moderators would ask intelligent, probing questions regarding a candidate’s position on critical subjects that have risen up during this campaign season.
Instead, Chis, Megyn, and Bret came prepared to try to get rid of The Donald, maybe also The Paul, plus they had a bag full of “gotcha” statements to throw at the fish on stage.
Had Candy Crowley and Scott Pelley coached the FNC crew? Certainly appeared to be the case and would explain a lot! Scott certainly seemed to have coached Chris on how to use his “gotcha” grin.
FNC fell down quite a bit with those two debates and defenses like Megyn’s further diminished FNC’s viewer value; IMHO!
Lastly, there’s an internet rumor floating around that Bret was trying to get Trump thrown off the stage for violating de rules (With guards, hired muscle, standing by?), really?
Ailes still calls the shots at Fox. He makes or breaks these people. And Ailes most likely listens to Murdoch. It is, and always has been true that shit rolls downhill. No doubt in my mind this started at the top.
You might be correct. And, so what? Ailes is good at recognizing media trends, yet did he blow this debate, if that show was set according to him? I say yes!
I think you just said what I said. So we agree.
I’ve seen a couple networks and websites say the “on your knees thing” was out of context by Megyn, and that it was innocent. Their proof is they talked to the woman and she doesn’t remember, or had nothing but good experience with Trump.
But at the time it was obviously Trump pointing out how great he thought she’d look on her knees, with the obvious context. Some argue that’s fine, because that’s what those shows script in for ratings. I think it still makes Trump the dirty old man, and certainly means the quote was not “debunked” as is being widely claimed.
This VH1 link shows THEY thought it was outrageous at the time, the most sexist thing they’d seen on TV, obviously pushed past the shows censors. But many people contort themselves to defend Trump on that, acting like it is normal, or that it never happened.
http://www.vh1.com/celebrity/2013-03-05/donald-trump-brande-roderick-on-her-knees/
It doesn’t matter more than his actual policy, if he has real policy plans, but it matters that people say Megyn made it up.
What I hear from people who dug out the episode is that the context was begging for a favor from another contestant.
Kelly was way off base. Period.
Period? like, you can keep your doctor, period?
VH1 sure thought it was obvious, completely separate from this debate. That was written at the time it happened. I couldn’t get the video to play, but they described it clearly.
oh and yeah, I guess you didn’t go to my link. What you stated was the context in which SHE stated it. Then Trump took it and went obscene with it.
I’m not a Trump supporter but I thought Megyn’s gotcha question was snarky and immature. Trump may not have a filter between his brain and his mouth but he’s not a misogynist and I’m really sick and tired of women who came of age in the 1990’s whining and carrying the feminist banner. The women who came before them already did the heavy lifting and she’s never had to prove herself as anything other than an individual in the workplace.
Is the issue about “misogyny”?
OR, is it about…
1. ANOTHER narcissic personality hungering for the highest office in the land WHILE pretending to be what he is NOT?
2. ANOTHER thin-skinned infant who will abuse anyone who “affronts” him, using all his influence?
3. ANOTHER lying liar who is delighted to accept an invitation to a gathering, only to have his lawyer on Hannity this afternoon calling the same man who he was intending to break bread with at that gathering everything but a child of gawd?
I find it insane that anyone would DREAM of voting for this “man” when we have the kind of field of candidates we do.
yeah I think that sums it up well. I’m glad he woke up some LIVs to the border (and green card/visa over-stayer) crisis, and that the murders in sanctuary cities are getting attention. But Trump has no proven track record for what he claims he will do for us … more a record of buying slime like the Clintons, telling any opposition they/we are stupid, or listening to old pal pedophile island Bill suggest he should run.
Meanwhile Bush sits in the wings hoping he can divide the conservatives enough to win the primary with maybe 25% support … 25% of Republicans. He’s already said he doesn’t need conservatives, and that illegals commit an act of love and have no other option but to come here by the millions, or billions I guess, why not, right Jeb.
We need someone that can break free from Chavez style COCs and big money, but Trump’s character gives me zero confidence he is “The One”, as Oprah evangelically put it about Obama.
AMEN.
My observations are:
That was not a debate.
It was an assault on the Republican party, and Trump in particular.
It started right out with a slap to his face.
And it wasn’t a lot better for any of the rest of them.
I am wondering if they would even bother with going to another Fox News debate.
The RNC, the Mainstream Press and the Elites in Washington have forever controlled the conversation.
Trump really doesn’t have to play ball with them.
They cannot threaten him about money… but they still have power in the party nomination process as well as the media.
Take for instance, the Red State debacle.
They threw Trump out and replaced him with Kelly.
She is a reporter. No more. What makes her a conservative speaker?
Her Employer?
Anybody ever heard of Prince Alwaleed bin Talal?
Anyhow, on that note, Tump can lay claim to yet another victory in exposing Eric Erickson of Red State as just another of those who believe they are the ones that should be in control of steering the nomination process to suit their desire.
Alas.. Red State has completely marginalized themselves.
And had Trump not forced them out, we might well still take them as a legitimate voice.
Thanks Don.
Not only did Red State kick Trump out, Erickson refused to invite Ben Carson.
I’m disappointed that my favored candidates, Cruz and Walker, still showed up.
Well I always have considered Redstate too mainstream “GOPish” and establishment, but I thought disinviting Trump was a good idea, but not for the reason stated. I would have disinvited him because of general oafishness, windbaggery and lack of conservative credentials.
In fact, I probably wouldn’t have invited him to begin with. But not inviting Ben Carson bothers me a lot. If that’s true, Redstate just dropped even lower in my regard.
What is the point in gagging Trump when he is speaking pure truth?
Does i hurt your feelings?
We honestly do not care about your feelings.
If this is a popularity contest… I don’t stand a chance.
And I ain’t gonna participate.
But this is life-and -death for America as we knew it.
Which ain’t no more.
You figure out if you like that or not.
Now that Hillary Clinton has formally endorsed Megyn Kelly in this fight with Donald Trump, the leading Republican candidate, how many here are going to back Clinton/Kelly vs. Trump/GOP?
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/hillary-defends-incredibly-impressive-megyn-kelly-from-outrageous-trump/
That’s a false dichotomy, and I would hope that LI’s regular commentariat would be too smart to fall for such a disingenuous trope.
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/122512/donald-trump-brought-fox-news-its-knees
Oh, look! The New Republic agrees with DaMav.
Like that has any validity anywhere with anybody.
Amazingly, with all these comments, no one yet has mentioned the “Happy Hour” debate at 5pm. That was actually a debate; Martha McCallum and a male anchor (can’t remember name, sorry) conducted a hard-hitting, fair and balanced DEBATE which involved all the candidates present. The moderators were focused, polite, and had a lot of tough policy questions. There was no rude “gotcha”. Carly F. won that debate hands down; she was forceful, precise, clear and direct. (She’s establishment, so not my choice.)
The Phony Reality Show at 9, though, was a horse of not only a different color, it was a whole new breed. Candidates were brought in to stand aimlessly while “moderators” ie. inquisitors, chatted cattily among themselves. Then the big question, designed especially and particularly to embarrass, humiliate, and disqualify Mr. Trump; he handled it with fair aplomb. Not content with that unnecessarily dramatic opening, on to tabloid rubbish dredged up from years past, words cherry-picked out of context. Oh, it was a lawyer’s dream come true, Trump on the cross, and he doesn’t even get to know where the made-up “evidence” is coming from. Trump said, “I say what I say.” There was no menstrual implication in what Trump said; I’m reminded that evil is in the eye of the beholder.
Fox News has IMHO brutally damaged their reputation. I’m not a twitter or fb expert but social media is running white-hot on this, not in Fox’s favor. It’s a pity; could be the Brian Williams syndrome, big heads leading to big fail. I liked Megyn Crowley up till now.
This whole affair has really opened my eyes. It’s sad that so many have yet to see what’s in front of them. To them, Tweedledum is very, very different from Tweedledee, and Tweedledum’s path is very very different too- even though they’re together. My two bits. Worth every cent too!
“Trump on the cross, and he doesn’t even get to know where the made-up “evidence” is coming from. Trump said, “I say what I say.” There was no menstrual implication in what Trump said; I’m reminded that evil is in the eye of the beholder.”
Wait, the Trump as Jesus analogy is already started? And I thought that would be a one time thing reserved for Obamassiah.
Bringing up Trump’s (at least perceived) misogynist history is certainly valid. Hillary has already brought it up, and if Trump becomes the candidate, war on women will be supported with video examples.
What evidence was made up by FOX? You bring up the menstrual thing (with no evidence of your own), but that was after the debate, during the CNN interview where Trump was doing what he (and Obama) always does … trashes anyone that points out his flaws.
And did FOX make any claims about the menstrual implication? Carly came out in support of Megyn on that without being quite direct on the implication. Ericson came out on his own and did it, but that is not really FOX, even though he appears on FOX at times.
Here is the VH1 opinion from a year ago, perhaps explaining why Bill Clinton thought it would be so great if Trump ran.
They describe it more fully, but no one seems to want to give an honest account when they defend pure innocent Trump on the cross. sheesh Whether FOX should have gone with more policy oriented questioning is another issue, but if the election is a popularity contest, perhaps the many Trump Achilles heels needs to be vetted early.
Trump is a single-issue mock-conservative, who appeals to the Nativist wing of the American electorate, which comes to the forefront during economic slump. Trump’s in-your-face attitude also appeals to the chunk of the GOP grassroots which is rightfully sick and tired of RINO candidates and political correctness.
There’s no convincing the Nativists otherwise, because Trump owns their number one issue. It isn’t always a pretty issue, sometimes bordering on racism — or (even less often) crossing that line. But Nativism is a natural response to this lousy economy and President Obama’s shocking (“Shocked, shocked!”) use of racial and religious division.
But GOP voters getting sucked into the Trump Vortex have got to educate themselves and wake up to the fact that Trump is simply not a conservative.
—Steve Green, VodkaPundit
Yep.
The same website that some folks here have been directing people to, to provide evidence that Carly Fiorina has less-than-stellar conservative cred, is just as damning of Donald Trump.
When it comes to basic issues like civil liberties, support for the free market, health care & entitlements, the second amendment, and taxes, economy & trade… Trump flunks them all.
I’m going through some of the links the site provides to positions Carly has had in the past, and am willing to keep an open mind as to whether she’s provided enough evidence that she has “evolved” past some of her more liberal tendencies. My primary vote is still up for grabs at this point, as I’m still learning more about each candidate. I’m not wedded to anyone yet.
I think Trump fans should take the time to study up on him a bit more as well, before committing themselves so whole-heartedly as some of them seem to have done.
Oh stop with that. There is no “nativist” wing of the party. There ARE people who are sick and tired of the promises made by the Republican establishment that are never kept. People have finally woken up to the fact that these people are just power hungry liars. Trump has great appeal to those people. He’s loud, brash, he gives as good as he gets and he doesn’t give a damn about the money that flows into each candidate.
People like that. All the other types sound like they are reading from scripts that the professional power brokers wrote. It is so important to this voting bloc (believe me, it is actually huge) that they are willing to compromise on other issues to get that kind of person. Look what happened to Rick Perry. He tried to wade into the Trump phenomenon without understanding it and he destroyed his candidacy. It will happen to Rand Paul and it looks like Fiorina got sucked into it and took the bait as well.
The point is to understand what is fueling this discontent and tap into it. Criticizing Trump means you don’t comprehend what the voters are saying. This is much bigger than being conservative or being establishment. This is all about defeating the Republican power brokers. The voters are mad as hell and they can’t take it any more.
The FNC panel missed that completely and used their forum to make themselves part of the story which is very unprofessional and clearly agenda driven. There were much better ways to handle those questions than the bush league way they handled it.
“People have finally woken up to the fact that these people are just power hungry liars.”
Wait. I thought you were pro-Trump. One of us is really confused.
Must be you Rags. The context was clear. I am a big Ted Cruz supporter. I like Scott Walker. Trump has to show more that just his 3 themes. But I understand why people like him. The discontent within the party is palpable now and Trump gets that. Plus there are tons of Dems who would vote for Trump. The guy is a force right now.
I agree with his content, except “nativist” is often used as derogatory for “patriotic” or for “close the borders” or for “America is exceptional”.
Protecting our sovereignty and getting back to the constitution may be “nativist”, but in a good patriotic way. It is rather the opposite of the diversity religion.
But indeed the Trump folks need to be sure their protest candidate is not just more of the same, or worse. He attacks Republicans and he is on the other side of Hillary crony capitalist deals. Part of the art of his deals is to buy political influence.
http://hotair.com/archives/2015/08/11/trump-maybe-we-should-keep-funding-planned-parenthood-on-non-abortion-services/
Well. Read Morrissey’s fisking of THAT.
Trump doesn’t understand economics (money is fungible).
He doesn’t mind Federal funding of Planned Abortionhood.
“We have to take care of women”.
And he’s, again, all over the map on this one issue, like essentially every issue.
Good for Cap’n Ed! Attack Trump on real issues, not phony “War on Women” BS from out of context microaggressive scandal mongering being peddled by Clinton, Jeb’s minions at Fox, and the RNC.
Cool. Here’s your big chance to put it IN context.
Or we’ll see you are lying.
Team Clinton/Kelly won’t like it but the petition to
prevent Megyn Kelly from pretending to “Moderate” another
Republican Debate is now nearing 50,000 signatures!
https://www.change.org/p/news-corp-rupert-murdock-prevent-megyn-kelly-from-hosting-any-further-republican-debates
Drop by and sign up; it’s free to let them know we WILL fight back 🙂
…or roughly two Bernie Sanders rallies.
Impressive…
55,841 supporters!!!! Whoooooo!
Wonder how many debate moderators the Donald is going to trash before he finds someone who lets him blather on and on? For a man who wants the most powerful job in the world Trump is pretty weak and quick to take offense.
Don’t know how anyone expected that a group of 10 people would actually debate – common sense would indicate that it could be little more than a Q&A. Why wouldn’t you want the candidates to be able to answer the things the Dems are going to surface? Shouldn’t Trump have been prepared to answer for his past behaviors? Or is it all forgiven because the GOP establishment hates him?
You all do understand that we’re not electing a President this year?
So it really doesn’t matter much what goes on for another couple months.
Lots of time for the dead wood to be cleared out and for the GOPe to maybe get the message that people are tired of their sh!t and might just be angry enough to go to the polls and express that anger.
I don’t what I’m going to do next year. A lot depends on the reaction of the candidates to Trump’s popularity (and so far it’s not looking good. Out of all of them, Cruz seems to understand), how they shift positions or how they express themselves.
A lot has to do with how much crap the GOPe throws into the mix and whether they understand they face extinction next year or at least a major loss.
Until then, lean back, have a drink or two and watch the show. And lighten up folks. Don’t mean nothing.