Authorities Recovered Evidence, DNA at Brown Shooting Scene
Great. Now do something.
The Providence police chief told Fox News that authorities recovered physical evidence and DNA at the Brown University crime scene.
From Fox News:
When Fox News on Wednesday asked Col. Oscar Perez whether investigators were able to find live ammunition from the scene, the police chief said investigators were able to get physical evidence.
“Oh yeah, we seized a few physical evidence and we’re in the process of examining that evidence,” Perez told Fox News. “And yes, we have some DNA that we manipulated and so it just progresses everyday.”
Perez added: “It progresses everyday with forensics, it progresses everyday with witness statements and so yeah, we’re just trying to find out and we are going to do our best.”
A law enforcement official familiar with the case told The New York Times on condition of anonymity that DNA, along with fingerprints, came from shell casings from the shooting scene.
Sources also told Fox News contributor Paul Mauro that authorities confiscated live rounds at the scene:
“What I can tell you from my sources is that I think quite significantly, they have live rounds, that is, rounds that were not fired on detonated rounds,” Mauro said during an appearance on “Fox & Friends” on Thursday. “Why does that matter? Because shell casings have enclosed a detonation. That’s how bullets work. Which means they often destroy evidence and they’re scorched.”
“In the case of live rounds, think about what happens there on a nine millimeter automatic,” Mauro continued. “The perpetrator has to fat finger those live rounds, bullets, into a magazine, which is the sleeve that holds them and that gets put into the handle of the gun. That’s how a semi-automatic works.”
NEW: Fox News’ Paul Mauro reports authorities have live rounds that were not fired from the Brown University shooter that could possibly possess the attacker’s DNA.
“You have a perpetrator handling rounds that have not been exploded that were found at the scene… live rounds… pic.twitter.com/SfGnCrYetv
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I’ll believe it when I see it. I’m not sure they have anything. They could just be kicking the can down the road.
They apparently do — but they have TWO sets of DNA from DIFFERENT people.
Apparently they recovered two clips, about 40 shell casings, and one live round.
Apparently you can recover DNA off *fired* shell casings, I did not know that but it’s a technology that’s developed in the past few years.
Well the perp used three different brands of ammo so it isn’t someone at the factory, although I suspect they package ammo by machine. Both the perp AND SOMEONE ELSE touched all of his ammo — WHO IS THIS OTHER PERSON?
See: https://www.scribd.com/document/968825317/Claudio-Manuel-Neves-Valente-Affidavit#from_embed
Embarrassing. Someone walks onto a college campus, shoots people and walks away into the ether.
Here’s another picture of the suspect at the top
https://x.com/ProvidenceRIPD/status/2001390136857178172
That person looks female.
I suspect that Brown University knows who is involved, and the suspects are no longer in the state.
Not the suspect. A photo of someone in proximity to the suspect. I assume they want to find them to pump them about information about the suspect.
At least it is not another Bigfoot-style photo of a guy wearing a mask. But DNA evidence is no good unless they have the perp’s DNA to compare it to.
1) DNA is useful. You’d be amazed/dismayed at how large the human DNA identification banks are. And even if the perp isn’t in the bank, a relative of his may be.
2) A live round (better said, cartridge) indeed is loaded into the magazine by hand. Gloves fix the fingerprint problem if the perp was that careful. Was he?
3) Why would a live, unfired cartridge be recovered at the scene? Wonder if the perp had a jam and had to clear it. The knowledge/ability to clear, quickly, a jam suggests some familiarity with pistols and their use, and that helps to build an ID of the perp.
4) The perp apparently was smart enough not to walk into the classroom hall with his cell phone.
As for 2. He was smart enough to go online and see the camera coverage at Brown and avoid it so most likely. A unfired round could be from a number of things even a light primer hit. If it didn’t fire then just pulling the slide and ejecting the round would put the handgun back in operation.
Did he avoid cameras or know they were turned off so students could commit crimes?
One cartridge due to a misfire is credible; multiple cartridges stretch the imagination into incredulity. Did the perp have a pocket full of cartridges? What is more believable is that the Providence police chief is a DIE hire and incompetent.
Yeah…all I can come up with for an ‘explanation’ of multiple unfired but ejected rounds discovered is multiple ‘stove pipe’ feeds. I suppose a poorly maintained, cheap 9mm with cheap magazines/worn springs in mags could account for it. Maybe in addition the dude went to range and practiced but didn’t clean the weapon?
See above — police recovered two 30 round clips. Perp fired about 40 rounds.
My guess is that he replaced clips before they were empty, which would leave live rounds in the clips. Although what I’ve read is that they can recover DNA from fired brass now.
1) You are so right, I’m in the DNA banks and every week it seems I get one or more notifications of new relatives. They’re usually 4th or 5th cousins and they’re from everywhere.
I would just assume he dropped a spare magazine or switched magazines before one was completely empty. Over 40 shots were fired, so I’m assuming he had multiple magazines.
“The perpetrator has to fat finger those live rounds, bullets, into a magazine, which is the sleeve that holds them and that gets put into the handle of the gun.”
Fat finger into the handle? You need another expert.
Indeed, That was one of the most … interesting … explanations I’ve ever heard.
From his “sleeve” reference, I assume he was trying to be nice and explain it in terms his six-year-old viewers (and Democrats) would understand,
I’ll cut him some slack on his phrasing and his creative ‘nomenclature’ b/c he’s explaining to a general audience without any equipment to demonstrate actual process.
The DNA will identify the perp’s preferred pronouns as they and them.
I would have thought they would be who and cares.
Let me don a rumpled suit and raincoat, light a small cigar, and give you my very best Lieutenant Columbo impersonation…
“Oh! Just one more thing… I think that the victim was targeted because she was an intelligent white Christian conservative woman and the perpetrator was triggered because he was a radical Islamist terrorist.”
It’s almost as though we’ve heard this song before, that islam is not a religion but rather a 7th century death cult.
As a retired Peace Officer, I admit that I am more cynical than most people. Given the cluster that we have been watching since this happened, I would not be surprised to see Brown University’s lawyers file to have any DNA and fingerprint evidence suppressed.
Subotai Bahadur
Considering the level of competency demonstrated you have to wonder how tainted their DNA and fingerprint evidence is unless it was the FBI that did the forensics.
It will be interesting if the victims sue.
IF they do, it will be interesting to see what comes out in discovery.
You got to love the usual suspects. Mass murder event featuring a handgun in a gun restricting city and state. Scream for more gun control especially for assault rifles, those mean looking weapons of war. Complete and utter useless asshats – all of them.
Gun control is a cult. It collects mindless asshats.
The same type of asshats who contribute to any “charity” with “feed hungry children” in its name.
in another week:
brown u rep:
if trump hadnt stopped the dei here we’d have caught the shooter
“In the case of live rounds, think about what happens there on a nine millimeter automatic,” Mauro continued. “The perpetrator has to fat finger those live rounds, bullets, into a magazine, which is the sleeve that holds them and that gets put into the handle of the gun. That’s how a semi-automatic works.”
I’m sorry but I cannot understand this gobbledygook.
Wtf is he talking about.
I took it to mean you gotta touch each round to load the magazine and that’s how they got fingerprint/DNA off the ejected but unfired rounds discovered at the scene. Some Jack leg out there probably doesn’t understand how ammunition is loaded or heck that ammunition doesn’t ‘come with’ the firearm pre loaded at purchase or some such. Amazing how much lack of basic knowledge and plain misinformation about firearms exists in public.
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