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Trump and GOP Leadership Move to Crush Massie in Kentucky

Trump and GOP Leadership Move to Crush Massie in Kentucky

“He’s challenged us, and disagreement is not disloyalty. … But at the end of the day, when we decide to call a play, we’ve got to run the play the coach calls.”

President Donald Trump and top GOP leaders are sharpening their knives for Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY), one of the most stubbornly independent Republicans in Congress. After years of bucking leadership and defying Trump himself, Massie now finds his party’s power centers aligned against him as millions are prepared to be unleashed in his district.

Speaker Mike Johnson and his team have made clear they will not lift a finger to defend the Kentucky libertarian. Johnson delivered one of the sharpest rebukes yet, saying:

“He is actively working against his team almost daily now and seems to enjoy that role. So he is, you know, deciding his own fate,” Johnson told CNN, delivering a firm message that party leaders would not intervene to protect Massie in the escalating feud with Trump.

Johnson also suggested that Massie’s tactics, particularly his push to force a vote on releasing the Jeffrey Epstein files, amount to political sabotage:

While Johnson said his job is to “lead the incumbent protection program,” the speaker chided Massie for waging “unfounded attacks” against him. And he added: “My way is to reach out an olive branch to everybody and be a peacemaker. And some people make that very difficult for me.”

Massie, who has represented Kentucky’s 4th District for nearly 13 years, has a long history of crossing swords with Trump. He was one of the few Republicans to oppose Trump’s signature tax and spending legislation, blasting it for ballooning the deficit. Now, his insistence on exposing Epstein’s ties has once again placed him in direct conflict with Trump and GOP brass.

In response, Massie fired back at both the speaker and the president:

“The speaker’s position depends on him rubber stamping, not just rubber stamping, but reinforcing anything Donald Trump wants, even if Donald Trump is wrong,” Massie said. “So the speaker’s in a tough spot.”

He added: “I don’t see that I’m making their life hard at all, unless they think it’s hard, because they’re going to have to take a vote to put them on record. If that’s hard, I’m sorry, that’s your job.”

Trump allies are preparing a multi-million-dollar assault on Massie, with the pro-Trump super PAC “MAGA Kentucky” already reserving $1.6 million in ad time. Pro-Israel groups are expected to pile on, citing Massie’s record of opposing U.S. aid to Israel.

For GOP leadership, Massie’s fate is no longer their concern. As House GOP Conference Chair Lisa McClain put it:

“He’s challenged us, and disagreement is not disloyalty. … But at the end of the day, when we decide to call a play, we’ve got to run the play the coach calls.”

With Trump’s team determined to find a challenger before the January filing deadline, Massie faces the toughest political fight of his career, without the protection of his party’s leaders.

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I met Massie a number of years ago in his DC office. Since I’d have to travel at least 300 miles to set foot in a red district, I told him that I was adopting him as my representative in Congress. Nothing has changed since then. I wish more reps would stand on principle instead of being a lemming.

    According to Johnson, Massie “is actively working against his team almost daily now and seems to enjoy that role.” Is it still simply standing on principle or something else?

    Olinser in reply to Peter Moss. | September 7, 2025 at 8:23 pm

    What ‘principles’. The guy is a scumbag. He has never, EVER, made an actual improvement to anything. His ‘principles’ magically didn’t stand so firm under Biden, when he voted for a whole host of insanity.

    His ‘principles’ of cutting the budget, when he voted for the single biggest spending bill in history under Biden?

    His ‘principles’ of barely-disguised Jewhatred spewing about AIPAC money?

    His ‘principles’ of making a couple halfhearted tweets about Epstein, then magically feeling so strongly about it when he could try and smear Trump that he held a massive press conference in front of a ton of signs saying TRUMP IS PEDO before announcing that he would launder libel accusations by saying them when he knows he’s immune?

    Massie is a clown, and not a funny one.

      gonzotx in reply to Olinser. | September 7, 2025 at 9:18 pm

      I’m sure he’s getting big money from the democrats

        CommoChief in reply to gonzotx. | September 8, 2025 at 9:08 am

        Nope, the d/prog wokiestas hate his ass b/c he wants to cut Gov’t spending which would end their gravy train and more than a few squishy GoP rinos hate home for the same reason b/c he forces them to make tough votes and they have to explain back home why they voted to increase size, scope and cost of Federal gov’t.

        FWIW lets compare the CPAC rankings for Massie v a few prominent GoP Reps

        2024 score Lifetime score
        Massie. 95% 93%
        Speaker Johnson. 81% 90%
        Majority LDR Scalise. 74%. 90%
        Whip Tom Emmer 83% 81%

        In sum Massie has a higher score both recently in the 2024 voting record and a higher lifetime voting record as evaluated by CPAC than the top three members of the GoP leadership who are PO at Massie and claim he isn’t sufficiently loyal.

        The disconnect is that Massie stays true to center/right populist goals aka MAGA/MAHA with a strong dash of libertarianism when what the GoP leadership wants is loyalty to squishy DC establishment sausage making, legislative log rolling and lots of compromise.

          inspectorudy in reply to CommoChief. | September 8, 2025 at 9:23 am

          I agree with almost everything Massie says but it is not his job to make the rules or set the agenda. His job is to work for the best deal his side can get in an evenly divided Congress. Congress is about COMPROMISE, not my way or the highway..

          CommoChief in reply to CommoChief. | September 8, 2025 at 9:40 am

          In point of fact Massie’s job is to represent the interests of the voters in the 4th CD of KY. It is the job of the leadership, floor managers, whips and others to convince Massie to lend his vote and support to the legislation they propose. If they want his vote and support they gotta be willing to make enough concessions to earn it instead of simply demanding it or taking it for granted.

          Milhouse in reply to CommoChief. | September 8, 2025 at 10:11 am

          Chief:

          If they want his vote and support they gotta be willing to make enough concessions to earn it instead of simply demanding it or taking it for granted.

          Exactly. I wish I could support him, but the signs of antisemitism are too many to ignore.

    Sanddog in reply to Peter Moss. | September 7, 2025 at 11:33 pm

    The republicans clinging to the Epstein files as if they are the solution to everything wrong in this country is freaking nuts. It’s a damned distraction and I’m sick of hearing about it. If they had dirt, it would have already been used by both sides.

    rebelgirl in reply to Peter Moss. | September 8, 2025 at 8:08 am

    He’s a horrible antisemite. I wish you would reconsider.

      CommoChief in reply to rebelgirl. | September 8, 2025 at 9:12 am

      Could you please point to a purely antisemitic statement made by Massie? One that doesn’t include his view/goal of ending all foreign aid or criticism of powerful lobbying groups?

        BigRosieGreenbaum in reply to CommoChief. | September 8, 2025 at 10:51 am

        AIPAC. Yes they’re powerful, but aren’t they all? He seems particularly hyper focused on that one. His antisemitic statements aren’t brazen, they are more low key. It’s unfortunate that you appear to need to see him come out in full nazi dress in order for you to label him what he is; I don’t.

          I’m sorry you feel that proof and evidence aren’t necessary before condemning someone as full of ‘ists and isms’. With that attitude and mindset you’d find common ground with lefty wokiesta totalitarians always searching for something to be offended about.

        Milhouse in reply to CommoChief. | September 8, 2025 at 8:38 pm

        Why is he criticizing “powerful lobbying groups”? They’re an inherent part of our democracy, specifically protected by the constitution. What other “powerful lobbying groups” does he criticize? The NRA? That’s pretty “powerful”. But lobbying groups’ “power” comes only from the fact that they represent a lot of voters’ interests.

          CommoChief in reply to Milhouse. | September 8, 2025 at 9:19 pm

          I’m sure every lobbying group has admirers and detractors. Are you suggesting that AIPAC is off limits from criticism? IMO Massie doesn’t seem overly critical of AIPAC so much as he points out that they exist, that they are well organized, that they are very effective/powerful and sheds light on the objectives of AIPAC; increased US support of and ties to the Nation of Israel.

          Frankly it is puzzling to me that b/c he has the audacity to point out those truths he’s somehow viewed as a ‘bad guy’. It is almost as if some want to hide the existence of AIPAC away from voters knowledge. AIPAC is a lobbying group, not a secret cabal nor do they have evil intent so why the Pavlovian response to denounce those like Massie who speak about their existence? I don’t claim to have reviewed every written or spoken word of Massie about AIPAC but I have heard him speak at length about them and it comes across as admiring.

    The Gentle Grizzly in reply to Peter Moss. | September 8, 2025 at 2:18 pm

    I’m upticking the sentiment, not Massie.

    Massie has literally accomplished nothing of substance while in office.

    Wize-up in reply to Peter Moss. | September 9, 2025 at 11:50 am

    I wish more would support the most successful conservative Pres. of our lifetime.

    Massie is just another fundraising swamp creature, all talk, no meaningful accomplishments. He’s been there well over a decade, time for him to go.

Expedited IRS and campaign finance audits…..might induce him to see more time with his family.

MoeHowardwasright | September 7, 2025 at 9:00 pm

Massive doesn’t care about defeating demonrats. He only cares about what he sees in the mirror.

When we are in power Massie sabotages any attempt at improvement, and actively works to help Democrats. He even actively joins Democrats on narratives.

It is correct for Trump to want him out.

I am sure I am becoming a broken record but

Thank you Donald Trump.

Wow, that didn’t take long. Less than 24 hours after James O’Keefe released an interview with Massie, advertised thusly:

Massie stood with Epstein survivors at a historic press conference on Capitol Hill, demanding transparency. But as he shared with me, Speaker Mike Johnson is pushing a fake resolution to bury the truth. Billionaires are spending millions to silence him, and too many in Congress whisper support privately but stay silent in public.

I showed Massie exclusive footage from OMG’s undercover investigation at the DOJ, exposing the cover-ups. He reacted live – confirming the patterns of obstruction we’ve uncovered. Massie isn’t backing down, even as he pays a personal price for telling the truth. He says D.C. must choose: protect the powerful or stand with survivors.

The video can be watched at https://washington.libersend.com/l/j8L3pjIlT892LvASobeFgPRw/2EsmLeaMzCyAe0JqbLktdA/L8EZ0DvFBGPQM8VvI9IAlQ

    TargaGTS in reply to henrybowman. | September 8, 2025 at 7:19 am

    I watched that ‘press conference’ (not really a press conference because no one took any questions) and was…unimpressed. The people who are ‘demanding transparency’ could have provided it themselves by simply NAMING the perpetrators they’re alleging are being protected by this giant conspiracy. They didn’t and it’s not a good look.

    A conspiracy is when there is evidence. I.e. the conspiracy by Fauci to perform gain of function research in the Wuhun Virology lab which there was evidence for in the form of budget items showing he sent money there, and acknowledgement in papers from the Wuhan Virology lab about gain of function research thanking Anthony Fauci for funding the research.

    A conspiracy theory has ZERO evidence for example the BULLSHIT you and Thomas Massie are promoting about a secret Epstein list.

    That you are sympathetic towards the conspiracy theory says everything about you.

      henrybowman in reply to Danny. | September 8, 2025 at 3:00 pm

      Yes, Danny. Yes, it does.
      It shows that I am an independent thinker, not easily swayed by partisan narratives.
      I know the ring of truth when I hear it. And an administration that says on one day that they have damning papers about to release, then on another says there are no such papers, doesn’t ring. It thuds.
      One thing is for certain — you and I are nothing alike.
      Those who haven’t watched the video whose URL I posted, make some time. It happens to explain quite clearly why “the people who are ‘demanding transparency’ can’t risk providing it themselves.”

        If you are involved in conspiracy theory you are not an independent mind you are a a total complete and utter ass.

        “I know the truth when I hear it” is something only GOD can claim.

        BY THE WAY STOP LYING YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE THE ADMINISTRATION DID NOT CLAIM THERE WERE PAPERS PAM BONDI DID IN ORDER TO INCREASE HER STANDING THE FBI OF DAN BONGINO HAS DENIED IT FROM THE START.

        Pam Bondi has admitted she lied.

        Keep clinging to being an asshole.

        By the way Andrew Tate bought his way out of an indictment identical to what Epstein was under.

        I remember how fervently you defended Tate.

People sure seem to not like Massie because he refuses to go along to get along. Isn’t that what we send people to DC for? Because we are sick and tired of Congressmen selling out as soon as they get there. Some may not like Massie but he has been consistent in his votes since his first election.
As for the “thinly veiled jew hatred”, nothing of the sort. He believes in first principles such as the “beware of foreign entanglements” and does not think the US should be sending it’s treasure around the world much less borrowing trillions to do it going bankrupt in the process.

    Milhouse in reply to diver64. | September 8, 2025 at 6:00 am

    No. It is not about his reluctance to spend money on defending Israel. Concern for the taxpayer, the deficit, and the debt, doesn’t explain why he was the only member of Congress to vote against a resolution affirming Israel’s right to exist. Even Tlaib abstained on that one.

    He said it was because it “conflated” anti-zionism with antisemitism. For all practical purposes, anti-zionism is antisemitism. Non-antisemitic anti-zionism is a theoretical possibility, but it is almost never encountered in the wild.

    He also voted against adopting the IHRA definition of antisemitism. He was the lone vote against a resolution condemning antisemitism.

    He posted a meme claiming that Congress shuns American patriotism but embraces zionism. He complained to Tucker Carlson that every member has an “AIPAC babysitter managing their votes”, as if the NRA, the right-to-life lobby, CPAC, and dozens of other popular lobbies don’t do exactly the same.

    Besides, while I’m all for cutting all foreign aid that isn’t directly benefiting the USA, including that for Israel, at a time when the Iron Dome is the only thing preventing thousands of Jews from being murdered it’s hardly the time to be worrying about the budget and the debt. Focus on other expenses, not ones that are literally saving innocent lives. Focusing on this more than anything else seems a lot like he doesn’t mind dead Jews.

      CommoChief in reply to Milhouse. | September 8, 2025 at 9:25 am

      FWIW I agree with the distinction Massie makes between antisemitism and anti Zionism. The former existed long before the modern Nation of Israel was established in 1948 and would have continued to exist in the absence of the modern Nation of Israel.

      Can the two independent views overlap? Absolutely. We see this on our campuses. Lefty wokiestas harassing Jewish Students, shutting down guest speakers who don’t toe the pro ‘Palestinian’ line, disrupting classes, blocking ingress and egress of dorms, libraries, classrooms or open spaces, screaming ‘from the river to the sea’. Creating physical confrontations with Jewish Students. This is abhorrent and should be severely punished by expelling the offending Students, LEO arresting them, State Dept revoking visa, ICE deporting the foreigners.

        Milhouse in reply to CommoChief. | September 8, 2025 at 9:57 am

        FWIW I agree with the distinction Massie makes between antisemitism and anti Zionism. The former existed long before the modern Nation of Israel was established in 1948 and would have continued to exist in the absence of the modern Nation of Israel.

        Sorry, that’s stupid. Anti-zionism is a manifestation of antisemitism. There’s no daylight between them. The only reason people oppose zionism is because they’re antisemites.

        It’s impossible for someone who’s not an antisemite to believe that the “Palestinians” deserve to establish a state of their own (in the Jews’ native land) — but the Jews don’t. That the “Palestinians” have the right to use force to destroy Israel, but the Jews have no right to use force to defend it. That the Jews are not entitled to use the same force against the “Palestinians” that we used against the Germans and Japanese, and that we would use today if we were at war for our existence.

          CommoChief in reply to Milhouse. | September 8, 2025 at 10:36 am

          We disagree on this point. I believe a distinction can exist. A subtle one to be sure but it is possible to hold a view that antisemitism is bad without offering support to Israel. Pro ‘Palestinian’ isn’t automatically the worldview of those who question Israeli policies. IMO such claims are just jingoism at one remove.

          I had an assignment in College to find one event to ‘alter’ in the post WWII era that would have the largest ripple effect and defend that hypothesis. My answer was the USA keeps Okinawa Island and gave it over for the location of the creation of Israel.
          Lots of strife and conflict avoided with not much pushback from the Japanese in the immediate aftermath of their defeat and unconditional surrender.

          That said Israel does exist in its current location and it ain’t going anywhere. It is just as legitimate a Nation as any other and like every other Nation it should use whatever tools and methods it chooses to defend its territorial integrity, its people and safeguard what it sees as it’s own interests. Other Nations, their individual Citizens and legislators are certainly not required to support the things Israel does or refrains from doing. Disagreement with those who do offer unreserved support for Israel isn’t anti Zionism or antisemitism.

          Israel has nearly 10 times the land area as the Okinawa Prefecture. I doubt the Israelis would have swapped their historical homeland, which they had resettled and built upon, for a much smaller space that they felt no connection to.

      TheOldZombie in reply to Milhouse. | September 8, 2025 at 9:51 am

      “Non-antisemitic anti-zionism is a theoretical possibility, but it is almost never encountered in the wild.”

      I’d say never. You got someone who claims they are not antisemitic but just against Israel all you have to do is look at their past tweets or wait a little bit and you’ll see the anti-Jew stuff rear its head. Especially when they start in with the “I’m just asking questions” bit that so many do.

        BigRosieGreenbaum in reply to TheOldZombie. | September 8, 2025 at 11:03 am

        ‘ I’m just asking questions’
        bit that so many do

        Or the, “Gee ever notice…blah blah blah and they’re all Jewish”.

        As an aside, I’ve never heard anyone bitch about Jewish dentists.

    SeymourButz in reply to diver64. | September 8, 2025 at 6:19 am

    This political wing expects politicians to sell out and play ball with Israel. Nothing else matters.

      Milhouse in reply to SeymourButz. | September 8, 2025 at 7:41 am

      Another antisemite heard from. Supporting Israel is not selling out. It is an American value, supported by most Americans, particularly Republican voters. AIPAC is an American organization, not an Israeli one.

      inspectorudy in reply to SeymourButz. | September 8, 2025 at 9:37 am

      Are you ignorant or just stupid? Do you realize Israel is the only democratic country in the ME? If we backed off from helping them survive, the entire ME would become anti-American within five years. Muslims do not vote, they kill to get their way and all of the other “Friendly” ME countries would turn on us. It would become one more region of the world where we have no control or influence like Russia, China, NK and many South American countries. Canada is almost gone as well and could sellout to a globalist or China because of bankruptsy.

    Danny in reply to diver64. | September 8, 2025 at 12:25 pm

    So you feel Kentucky should fund the taxes of New York City? Because that Salt Deduction return was the work of Massie.

    We do not send people to help Democrats win a big victory for blue states.

    Everything you said defending his anti-Semitism by the way is grade a Bullshit, just as Thomas Massie is an asshole.

    If you want to support the high taxes of Blue States vote Democrat.

Rep Massie takes a lot of flak for some basic points; and foreign aid, reduce size/scope of govt, emphasize the interests of US Citizens and the USA as a whole over those of other Nations. Forcing tough votes on his alternatives for milquetoast rinos doesn’t seem objectionable. Nor does ending foreign aid. Nor is being unafraid to point out the influence of AIPAC (which others seem unwilling to acknowledge).

The one time he did choose to ‘go along and get along’ at the behest of leadership he is now pilloried for and he openly acknowledged it as an error he won’t repeat. Whatever else Rep Massie may be his role as a gadfly in Congress asking uncomfortable questions and pointing out the likely impact of legislation particularly budget bills due to secondary and tertiary effects is much needed in DC.

    Milhouse in reply to CommoChief. | September 8, 2025 at 7:46 am

    Indeed he’s one of the best we’ve got, and I have been very reluctant to accept that he might not like Jews, because that’s something the left would accuse him of whether it was true or not. But there are just too many indications.

    And AIPAC’s influence is no more something to “point out” than that of the NRA, CPAC, or any other of the big lobbies, all of which are part of our constitutional process and not something to scorn. The constitution protects lobbying. Massie complaining about AIPAC sounds the same as Dems complaining about the NRA. Or, on a much much smaller scale, the Legal Insurrection Foundation.

      CommoChief in reply to Milhouse. | September 8, 2025 at 9:34 am

      I have yet to see any statement he has made that is antisemitic. IMO what makes his comments on AIPAC jarring to some is that he is one of the few, perhaps only member of Congress making the observation about its existence and power. Lets replace AIPAC with Qatar Lobby or CHICOM lobby and suddenly it doesn’t seem jarring to point out the existence and power of a lobbying group that seeks closer ties/support for the interests of a foreign Nation.

        Milhouse in reply to CommoChief. | September 8, 2025 at 10:03 am

        AIPAC is an American lobby, no different from the NRA.

        There is no Qatar lobby in America; there’s just the Qatari government.

          CommoChief in reply to Milhouse. | September 8, 2025 at 10:50 am

          Ok and? Are you saying AIPAC doesn’t push for closer ties between Israel and the USA (aka entangling alliances Washington warned about). That it doesn’t push for more foreign aid funds and access to the US Defense industrial base and technological advances?

          None of that makes AIPAC ‘bad’ much less evil or nefarious. It’s a free country and if folks want to lobby Congress to support Israel that’s perfectly legal. It does demonstrate the willingness to place the interests of a foreign Nation, in this case Israel, above those of the USA in some respects. I don’t see why it is objectionable to point that out.

    inspectorudy in reply to CommoChief. | September 8, 2025 at 9:40 am

    No, he isn’t just a gadfly, he is an obstructionist. It’s one thing to state his points and try to get them into law, but to then take his marbles and go home is not his job. He must support his party at the final showdown, not vote no.

      CommoChief in reply to inspectorudy. | September 8, 2025 at 10:41 am

      Must he? Can you please cite the Constitutional requirement for a Congressman to slavishly support whatever the party leadership demands? Pretty sure I recall lots of warnings from the Founders about this sort of thing.

      For that matter compare the voting record for Massie v the voting record of current GoP House leadership and you’ll find Massie has much better voting record for supporting the goals of the voters.

    1. “foreign aid”

    Fine lets discuss it honestly. In return for Israeli technology being available for American machinery for free and Israel suspending developing Israeli competitors to those machines Israel gets a few billion dollars in credit to be spent at American factories per year.

    I am a free market person which gives me a right to say the subsidy should stop and America should have Israeli competition.

    Someone who supports tariffs to take America out of the free market has no leg to stand on in second guessing our flag officers about what is good for our military. By the way why are you like a populist bringing up the least important thing first? Nobody gives a dam about foreign aid, the only reason it ever comes up is misinformation about it being a significant part of the budget.

    2. “reduce size/scope of govt”

    By subsidizing living in blue states by red states (his only actual achievement in congress), while we are unable to afford such a subsidy? Do Blue States or Red States have larger governments? Surely if he wanted to shrink government that would not be a subsidy he supports?

    Thanks to opposition by Massie and his fellow assholes we had to restore the Salt Subsidy to blue states.

    If you subsidize having larger government you have lost all right to lie and claim to be against small government.

    3. “emphasize the interests of US Citizens and the USA as a whole over those of other Nations.”

    Typical populist grade a bullshit. I am done with hypothetical insults. Name the god damned policy.

    I could name the policy such as restoring the salt subsidy to blue states of him doing the exact opposite.

    Why do you support Texan Tax dollars subsidizing California welfare for illegal aliens? Why do you support North Carolina tax dollars going to Boston benefits to illegals?

    Name the god damned policy for gods sakes or admit to being just a propagandaist.

    4. “Forcing tough votes on his alternatives for milquetoast rinos”

    If you feel Trump is a rino and that his policies are so horrible that they must be thwarted from within the Republican Party just register as Democrat and stop confusing voters.

    5. “. Nor is being unafraid to point out the influence of AIPAC (which others seem unwilling to acknowledge).”

    Crediting Jews influence they do not have is just anti-Semitism.

    AIPAC is not the source of the nations problems, the subsidy to American industries and in return getting Israeli technology and preventing Israeli competition to our military exports was an idea from flag officers and senior level politicians and that is the reason it continues.

    If you aren’t a free market supporter you have ZERO grounds to doubt an admiral or a general on purely military matters or oppose a direct subsidy to an American industry.

    If you are a free market person we have a lot to discuss.

    I am not an unconditional Trump supporter, I think he is wrong on tariffs and his tariffs have actually hurt our economy for a grand total of one disagreement I have with the Trump administration.

    You aren’t for free markets so why is it wrong to give an American industry our military relies on an extra subsidy while getting our technology improved in the process?

    When you argue about the actual policy all of the BS rhetoric coming out of Massie falls to pieces.

    By the way the F35 is manufactured in TEXAS.

    Why is it essential to restore federal subsidies to New York City (actual result of Massie saying no to the Republican Budget) but HORROROR EVILILLLLLZZSSS when the U.S. Federal Government subsidizes Texas?

    Again I am a free market kind of guy, I do not like subsidies including tariff based.

    If you do like subsidies than you are begging to explain to me why the subsidy to California is justified but the one to Texas isn’t.

      CommoChief in reply to Danny. | September 8, 2025 at 4:53 pm

      Danny,

      Do what?

      If you support ‘free markets’ then you’d be all in on creating sufficient incentives for removal of non tariff barriers to US exports ….like the ban Israel had on many US Agricultural products. Free markets require both trading Nations to operate in a reciprocal manner at minimum and not block entire categories of products.

      SALT coalition was hard group of 20 ish members openly demanding huge increases plus probably double that number behind the scenes. The SALT goon coalition size dwarfed Massie’s one vote. Argument otherwise is nonsense.

      I haven’t made any argument that AIPAC is ‘bad’. It’s defenders though are very quick to hurl insults even at those who merely notice it exists, state its declared public purpose and point out its effectiveness. It is a free Country and folks can support AIPAC and its goals of they wish but should be equally free to criticize. Somehow the issue AIPAC turns many on the center/right into Karens reminiscent of the Covid era demanding everyone put on a mask ‘or else’.

      Tough votes should absolutely come from within the party as well. Especially important that they do when leadership strays from stated goals and promises. No Member of Congress owes their vote to anyone but their constituents.

      Go look at the voting record comparison compiled by CPAC. Massie earned a 2024 score of 95% while his lifetime score is 93%. Those scores are higher than the Speaker Johnson, Majority Leader Scalise and Whip Tom Emmer for lifetime and far higher for ’24.

        1. “non-tariff trade barriers”

        Like what? Again I know why I am critical of subsidizing Texan industries (although components of the F35 are manufactured in Florida and Utah making it 3 Red States getting direct subsidies from the Israel aid). I am however for free markets. Once you are saying tariffs are needed to achieve some mythical feat that is only possible in video games based on a myth about American manufacturing falling apart………at that point could you explain to me why Red States shouldn’t also be subsidized or why we should ignore flag officers telling us what they think we need and what they think of the possibility of foreign competition to our arms sales from Israel?

        2. Massie had support from other party sabotage caucus members that made blue state Republicans relevant. His self sabotage coalition no voters rightly earned Trump’s wrath.

        3. “Go look at the voting record comparison compiled by CPAC.”

        If you vote no on everything you will have a good rating with CPAC. What I care about is what impact you have/are having on congress is it good or bad. Massie is without doubt bad, and self aggrandizing.

        To possibly get a budget without a salt restoration Trump needed Massie among others who Massie influenced to oppose Trump.

        My only disagreement with Trump is tariffs, so Massie making himself a 100% disagreement as his price for being there is too much for me.

        If we are to have an enemy it should be one we could oppose (as in a Democrat).

        Betraying the side you claim to work for when it needs you is the work of a grade a asshole.

        Everyone in the Republican Party had something in Trump’s budget or about their policies they disagreed with.

        Not all of them sabotaged from within by deciding to vote no like Massie did.

As tempting as worrying about other State’s politicians is, all the hype to do this or that to any politician at the “political machine” level IMO is wrong. What I think or believe about Rep. Massie, or any other out of my State politician, is meaningless. I, unfortunately, live in a Commonwealth that apparently has a common political view that I don’t hold or can change by wishing it was different.

I understand that Rep Massie’s Congressional district overwhelmingly supports him, and his methods and goals. Now the federal “political machine” is going to be used in Thomas Massie’s district to change the minds about their Congressman, or are they going to ruin him personally and professionally, like was demonstrated by the democrat version of that machine, during COVID and the J6 insurrection?

The problem with Massie and a few others is they are willing to sacrifice a good budget bill because there is not a perfect one. Sure everyone would love to cut 2 trillion from the budget but will it pass both Houses of Congress? So voting against a 400 to 500 million cut that will pass because we don’t waste time trying to pass a bigger cut that we know won’t pass is unproductive. Take it a small win at a time and hope they add up to enough. And the numbers I used are made up as an example before anyone says the actual numbers were different.

destroycommunism | September 8, 2025 at 11:24 am

israel is part of the western values family..even moreso than the eurotrashs who love china and russia but pretend to be our friends

Israel is what we wish canada and mexico were…..family

so when we maga…that extends to our family

Massie, for all of his “principles”, has absolutely no legislative accomplishments- no bills that he has authored have ever passed nor signed into law by a sitting President. His TDS shows the lack of principles that he and Rand Paul claim to stand on but then do absolutely nothing about legislatively

That press conference about Epstein had one purpose and one purpose only- political hits on Trump. I dislike his AG for her February Epstein binder stunt and that has totally undermined my opinion of this current administration- but the press conference was a joke. Epstein is dead, Ghislaine Maxwell is imprisoned so name the names. This was just a photo call for money, and to hurt a sitting President. There is nothing at all as it would have been used in 2015 or later in 2019/2020 a la that Carroll hag.

    Milhouse in reply to AgnesB. | September 8, 2025 at 8:50 pm

    Massie, for all of his “principles”, has absolutely no legislative accomplishments- no bills that he has authored have ever passed nor signed into law by a sitting President.

    That is a BS metric for “legislative accomplishment”. Members are not elected to increase the number of laws. Authoring laws is not a sign a member is performing well. A member who has done nothing but block bad laws from being passed, or better still who has managed to have bad laws repealed, is far more accomplished than one who has made bad laws and had them passed.

      Danny in reply to Milhouse. | September 9, 2025 at 2:21 pm

      There are no issues that come up daily and good congressmen are the ones who make legislation about those issues.

      Congress is there to actively make decisions on the issues of our time.

      A congressman with no legislative achievements……..