Gunman Kills Two at Michigan Mormon Church
The shooter is down, but the church is still on fire.
***I will update this as more information becomes available.
***UPDATE 5:16 PM: Authorities identified the shooter as Thomas Jacob Sanford, 40.
There is apparently no connection between Sanford and the LDS congregation.
Two people have died from the shooting. At least eight people have been injured
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Authorities have confirmed a gunman injured multiple people at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Grand Blanc, MI, located about 60 miles from Detroit.
The shooter is down, according to the Grand Blanc Township Police Department.
The church is also on fire.
The police received a call at 11:00 AM. The shooter went down at 11:25 AM.
The police confirmed there is no threat to the public.
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Another deranged lunatic looking to make a name for themselves via mass murder followed by suicide? People shouldn’t have to be afraid to attend mass but these psychos are making it so we have to be armed and on guard everywhere!
Sarah Brady once said, “I reject the vision of a country where people have to go around armed in order to be safe.”
Poor deluded woman thought she got to make that choice.
Sarah Brady never would have been comphortable in the Colonies here prior to our becoming an independent nation. She’d have been more at home under the large thumb o Charles Three the Kid King who thought he was our Sugar Daddie.
Allow me to help with your pronoun usage- himself. Now, was that so hard, my beaten down little fairy?
I am.. and I hope many others do the same. Yes, armed and on guard everywhere. WHY NOT?? It don’t cost anything.
It’s rare and so unimportant. If the media, including the internet, treated it as unimportant, it would actually go away.
School shootings weren’t a thing until Columbine was a ratings hit. Now every rare nut thinks here’s how he can do something important.
Unlink news from importance somehow and it would work, but I don’t see how you could do that. The business model is an audience for the organization of anxieties. And shows about how to live with those anxieties.
What happened to post office shootings? Going postal. Somehow they stopped or perhaps are just not reported.
You still have the occasional shooting but it’s not like it was in the 80’s & 90’s. There was a reason why postal workers shot their supervisors/managers and not their customers.
I did a little research on PO shootings a year or two ago, wondering whether it was all “workplace violence” (one government employee vs. another). I found that out of 17 incidents, there was only one in which a random shooter barged into a Post Office and shot employees. All the rest were employees or ex-employees.
So they passed a law.
And that’s why YOU, as a postal service CUSTOMER, will be thrown in a federal clink if you as much as have a gun in a lockbox in your car in the PO parking lot, when you stop in to pick up your mail on your way home from work.
They are delayed in delivery.
Maybe if we changed “going postal” to “going trans” when somebody shoots up a church or religious school the stigma would stop some shooters….unfortunately not the transtifa ones though
Maybe if we changed “going postal” to “going trans” when somebody shoots up a church or religious school the stigma would stop some shooters….unfortunately not the transtifa ones though
I recognize your point and don’t dispute it but there’s no way to get the press to muzzle itself, and correctly, the government is forbidden by the constitution from doing so.
So…I don’t have an answer. I would like laws saying that anyone murders more than one person will be buried in an unmarked grave inside prison walls, but that’s not really much of a solution,
My only thought that might help is a redefinition of what level of mental illness requires mandatory institutionalization. The current standard leaves the public at too much risk.
Yet strangely the media does muzzle itself when a story is inconvenient 🤔
Once it comes out this was a hard core extremist Democrat with mental health issues and identifies as a woman with a tackle this shooting will very quickly disappear from the airwaves as the media muzzles itself from reporting the truth.
Change the culture. Start with tossing out the feminization rampant in our schools which often treats boys as if they were dysfunctional girls. Boys and girls are different. They respond to different stimuli …differently. Forcing boys to sit in neat desk rows all day and effectively make them betray their more rambunctious natural inclinations to act like well behaved girls has clearly failed. The more egregious failures get overdosed with Ritalin and slapped with some attention disorder diagnosis.
To true mental illness I agree. We gonna need to reopen mental hospitals with same bed space proportional to the population of 1950. IOW a whole lot of new beds. Then we’re gonna need to streamline and adjust the involuntary commitment process to makes sure some bitter ex spouse isn’t abusing the system but also where if a Parent is begging for mental health assistance for their disturbed child they can get assistance instead of ignored by bureaucracy. The real issue is gonna be mental health practitioners who would far rather treat unhappy AWFLs than someone with more serious,dangerous issues. They will balk at the changes, protest it and I suspect refuse to participate.
Erving Goffman’s _Asylums_, an excellent book, studied total institutions, where every aspect of life is controlled, to see what went on sociologically. The most obvious result was that nobody in asylums does what the asylum says they are doing, from staff to inmates, and the dynamics are weird and often counterproductive.
That was taken as a condemnation of asylums, which it was not. Quite the opposite. Goffman took it as normal. But they closed the asylums thinking that would fix it.
The end of the book gives Goffman’s general speculation as a result of the study::
The simplest sociological view of the individual and his self is that he is to himself what his place in an organization defines him to be. When pressed, a sociologist modifies this model by granting certain complications : the self may be not yet formed or may exhibit conflicting dedications. Perhaps we should further complicate the construct by elevating these qualifications to a central place, initially defining the individual, for sociological purposes, as a stance-taking entity, a something that takes up a position somewhere between identificaton with an organization and opposition to it, and is ready at the slightest pressure to regain its balance by shifting its involvement to either direction. It is thus _against something_ that the self can emerge. This has been appreciated by students of totalitarianism …
I have argued the same case in regard to total institutions. May this not be the situation, however, in free society, too?
Without something to belong to, we have no stable self, and yet total commitment and attachment to any social unit implies a kind of selflessness. Our sense of being a person can come from being drawn into a wider social unit ; our sense of selfhood can arise through the little ways in which we resist the pull. Our status is backed by the solid buildings of the world, while our sense of personality identity often resides in the cracks.
Goffman _Asylums_ “The Underlife of a Public Institution” p.320, which understands rather than deploring what was going on.
Each of us does have ‘something’ to belong to. Some may have a loving family, true friends, a workplace where they feel valued, a social sphere, fellowship in religion, sharing time with folks with the same hobbies.
Some may have none of those, they may choose an isolated, near hermit like existence… but they are still a part of the larger population of the USA, their State, their County and their local community and have the choice to involve themselves or not within them.
The key with mental asylums is to provide space for those who are dangerous to themselves or others. IMO that includes any crimes committed that could result in a justified act of self defense. If some junkie is B/E residences he’s exposing himself to potentially get a couple of blasts of 12 Ga so he is in fact a danger to himself. Clearing the prisons of something like 1/4 to 1/3 of their population and shoving them into mental health facilities increases available prison beds.
Bottom line is folks can’t present a danger to themselves and others without being locked away from the rest of society. Reestablish that common sense principle and many problems get solved.
I attended grade school where we DID sit in straight rows, 55 to a classroom, one teacher no aides. We learned. Video cameras had not yet been invented. My grade school produced graduates who were better educated and prepared to tackle the world out there than today’s public high schools.
at recess we’d play hard, baseball, phootball, giant swings with 20 phoot chains, cowboy and indian games with capguns which we’d carry in the classroom too. Large dirt box where we’d build roads, mountains, dig holes, run toy trucks, create our own worlds…… Much homework to do at home. We got to run out our energy then head back into class to learn more.
We also learned that the telephone is much more rapid than the bicycle.. in trouble at school? There’d be worse trouble waitng at home. And parents would make certain we knew the rules and lived by them.
So you are dismissing the deaths of the people that were killed? Their lives are “unimportant?”
Yet here you are, commenting on it – on the internet.
Hypocrisy much?
As if there were no shootings before Columbine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States_(before_2000)
The difference is not the media, it is the morals, or lack of morals, of people as well as a lack of accountability in how people are raised.
The USPS changed policies on dealing with disgruntled employees, changed work conditions and instituted security measure to prevent shootings. They still happen including one last year.
Please try to deal with facts instead of trolling.
“| School shootings weren’t a thing until Columbine was a ratings hit.
As if there were no shootings before Columbine.”
I’m so old, I remember Charles Whitman.
Also, how his problem was addressed.
And most importantly… by whom.
Ultimately…the Lefties are trying to take our guns away.
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Can’t agree with you more.
At the very least, there should be a moratorium on broadcasting footage of the results of these crimes, as well as of the crimes (shootings, stabbings, chases, etc.) themselves.
Cut off the copycats.
Taking their time giving out his/ her name
Have to get his pronouns right first.
Unless the problem is that there are too many “al-“s in it.
The people treating
Mental illnesses are a major part of the problem
They are woke to the max, Drs, Therapists, Social Workers, Nurses
So many are extremely sick
They are saying ex marine, like the one on the boat
What in the world is going on
Who is saying 🤔
Many blogs
https://redstate.com/bobhoge/2025/09/28/what-we-know-about-nigel-max-edge-former-marine-sniper-charged-in-horrific-nc-waterfront-mass-shooting-n2194499
The boat shooter sounds like a right mental case who should have got help for PTSD many years ago! Basically seems he was left to his own devices and suffered accordingly and predictable results.
The media will do their damdest to pin this on MAGA but the guy appears to have been needing professional help for years and he didnt get it.
Another lefty lunatic, as soon as the press figures out it’s not a MAGA they’ll shut the hell up.
Also shootings in North Carolina (mentioned above); Boston, Mass.; Eagle Pass, Texas; and a ramming in Manhattan.
Tell me there isn’t a civil war going on.
Three very different targets. An LDS Church targeted in MI an off Duty Fed LEO vehicle rammed in NYC and a drive by/(boat by?) at a waterfront restaurant in NC.
These don’t alarm me anywhere near as much as the coordination of supplies, funding, bail money, legal rep by anti Western Civilization groups/individuals for their lefty street thugs. That’s the real danger to the Nation not individual loons even where the individual loons are motivated by wokiesta rhetoric.
There is no civil war going on.
A war is organized violence to accomplish a political goal. This seems to be a bunch of nutcases.
Picture of his truck with 2 huge American flags, at lic plate
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/Michigan-shooter-1.jpeg
Given this was an LDS church it may be wise not to speculate. Like the sheriff that murdered the judges this could just be a personal beef.
LDS Church policy is that only law enforcement should carry weapons in church.
The perpetrator was reported shot by an off-duty police officer and Dept. of Natural Resources officer. It would be reasonable to assume they were attending the service.
There are a lot of these shootings making the news lately. Another one was that attack on the fish restaurant from a boat.
I don’t have a tinfoil hat and when I see a black helicopter, all I see is a black helicopter. But I’m wondering if any or some of these are false flag? The Democrats are doing everything they can to take us down and that would include passing gun control laws. Maybe they’re priming the public so they will demand a rep repeal of the second amendment or just more stringed gun control.
I don’t know man, the dude ran a truck into a church, set it on fire, and shot at least one person if not more. Seems pretty newsworthy! Why do we need to come up with some false flag explanation for these incidents? Is it because the obvious explanations create too much cognitive dissonance?
Might be the case!
Nah, the boat guy sounds like hes been in need of help for PTSD from Iraq for many years and never got it. Even his friends, supposedly, tried to get him help. This one just sounds like your avaerage every day crazy.
That’s my suspicion as well.
It’s a false flag series.
Just seems to be a bunch of random nuts.
Had to be a personal mental issue. The Marxists will have a double H8with a 40yo white veteran of Iraq. You thought pinning Taylor on Trump was a whitewash.
One thing that it’s important to keep in mind is that we people crazy they don’t automatically fall to the Left. It’s quite possible he was indeed a Right Wing Crazy.
However, I can’t imagine what the poor Mormons did to trigger him.
Looks like there is an LDS connection. Look up interview between Dave Bondy and a local MI politician, who was out canvassing when says he had an alarming discussion with Sanford last week.
My comment on the interview video:
So Sanford found an LDS girlfriend, but the church wouldn’t accept him if he didn’t remove his tattoos (@ 2 minute mark of interview).
Sounds like he balked at that, and she apparently would not abandon LDS for him, so he calls them the antichrist and murders as many as he can.
That’s just an evil individual, not respecting other people’s free choice.
The church did not force her to dump him. She could have left the church for him, or he could have removed his tattoos.
By policing each other’s behavior in highly functional ways, LDS has done a great job of creating strong families with a great record of producing large numbers of well-adjusted, high-achieving kids.
That takes a lot of dedication. It’s not easy being LDS. It requires conforming to their family-and-church oriented culture and theology.
This guy couldn’t do it, which is fine. But he refused to accept their freedom to choose a path that he couldn’t or wouldn’t conform to.
Then he showed his evil heart by murdering them for choosing what he rejected.
That’s how it looks.
Shows that there are some evil people among Trump voters too, which none of us ever doubted.
But it does not seem that there was anything political about his hatred for LDS.
His gripe appears to be purely personal: his inability to conform to LDS requirements led (by the lady’s choice) to the end of a relationship he wanted.
Leftists, in contrast, keep murdering people in acts of political terrorism, killing people they see as standing in the way of their political objectives, and trying to intimidate conservatives from voicing their opinions or promoting their positions on the threat they too will risk being murdered if they dare to oppose the left.
Sanford acted contrary to all conservative values and objectives, while numerous attacks from the left are straight in line with the left’s endless calls for violent resistance to the electorally expressed will of the majority.
YouTube interview title is: “Burton Candidate Says He Spoke With Grand Blanc Church Shooter Days Before Deadly Attack”
Interesting. I must say though, that there are many people in the LDS church that have tattoos. You do not need to remove them to be baptized – the Lord looks on the inside not the outside.
My guess is that the GIRL herself put that as a requirement as she had been taught, as I was and as I taught my children, that to mark the body so is a sign of disrespect to the Divine Designer of the body.