The New York Times Discovers Female Loneliness
“Still, I found myself watching the crowd as it moved past us: women walking in pairs or alone, dressed with care. At table after table at the nearby restaurants, there was a noticeable absence of men.”
The inevitable happened. From its editorial pages, The New York Times raised the alarm about childless cat ladies. Roughly a half-year after the liberal establishment freaked out about the natalist comment made by then vice presidential candidate JD Vance, the paper of record is beginning to show concern that women are lonely and the population is below replacement.
First, divorced former pornographer Rachel Drucker observed that frustrated women are on the prowl in modern America: “Still, I found myself watching the crowd as it moved past us: women walking in pairs or alone, dressed with care. At table after table at the nearby restaurants, there was a noticeable absence of men — at least of men seated in what looked like dates.”
This observation sounds familiar and is more revealing of the disposition of the fair sex than any survey where women claim — bitterly, most likely — that they are looking for friendship and self-improvement, not love.
The opponents of #MeToo warned about it in the late 2010s. We made dating too high stakes a game for men; make a wrong move and two decades later, the girl may accuse you of assault — and ruin your life.
#MeToo is the prime suspect in shaping the social arrangement that, as the Times’ piece suggests, women are not liking very much. But these days, loneliness is so profound and so widespread, it can’t be attributed to a single factor.
Our tradition teaches that young men risked their lives for love. The beauty of Helen of Troy sparked the Trojan War. Romeo defied his family and fought Juliet’s. Personally, I’m surprised that so many guys are reluctant to pursue women. When #MeToo blew up in 2016, I fully expected them to test societal limitations and come out on top.
Drucker may not — as some speculate — be a misandrist, but she gave us a hint of how she is responsible for the current situation. Perhaps she didn’t know what she was about to unleash. Nevertheless:
I spent over a decade behind the curtain of digital desire. As the custodian of records for Playboy and its affiliated hardcore properties, including sites like Spice TV, I was responsible for some of the most infringed-upon adult content in the world. I worked closely with copyright attorneys and marketing teams to understand exactly what it took to get a man to pay for content he could easily find for free.
We knew what worked. We knew how to frame a face, a gesture, a moment of implication — just enough to ignite fantasy and open a wallet. I came to understand, in exact terms, what cues tempt the average 18-to-36-year-old cis heterosexual man. What drew him in. What kept him coming back. It wasn’t intimacy. It wasn’t mutuality. It was access to simulation — clean, fast and frictionless.
This is where men are at — and it’s easier than dealing with the unsteady emotional life of a real woman:
In that world, there’s no need for conversation. No effort. No curiosity. No reciprocity. No one’s feelings to consider, no vulnerability to navigate. Just a closed loop of consumption.
And when it’s not porn that fills up their time, it’s video games. Feminists were fools to roll out their hyped up anti-rape message when men were already retreating into cyber pleasuredome. Men are easy; they can be satisfied with Playboy and Nintendo. Women, on the other hand, are turned on by romance rather than visuals and yearn for the chase that only a real-life interaction can produce.
That’s why even when courtship happens, it happens in ways that women find unsatisfying. They complain about it — online. For instance, one viral meme shows a picture of a forlorn girl with the caption “me when I don’t wanna go on a first date but then I remember that I’ll be 30 this month and I’ve never had a boyfriend.” I thought it was odd that she would not want to go on the first date — in our experience, those were fun and entirely on our terms — but most dates today are with people from dating apps.
That holds true for the top 1%. For instance, Zohran Mamdani, the recent winner of the Democrat mayoral primary in New York, connected with his anti-Zionist, activist, artist wife on Hinge. Both of them come from money and prominence, yet America gave them no physical space where they could run into each other. Or else, Mamdani is not the Alpha he’s supposed to be.
As men are retreating into digital hedonism, women are looking for alternative ways to fill their time. One conspicuous area where the young female urbanites created a niche for themselves is in far-left political activism.
Most of the anti-Israel protesters in recent years have been young hipster chicks. They get quite hysterical in their activism — shrieking, proposing bizarre conspiracies, and ripping up posters of hostage children.
No doubt they fancy themselves to be revolutionaries — and revolutions are usually started by women — but they are started by women in bread lines, those performing their traditional roles and, requiring upper body strength, end up being fulfilled by men. Lonely women stand not so much for radical change, but for purposelessness and decline.
Society-wide singlehood is an existential problem because it leads to birth dearth. Here, too, feminists took to the New York Times Op-ed pages to propose a solution. Amanda Taub explores the idea of lavishly compensating mothers for having children. She notes that people usually end up having fewer children than initially desired — and I’m sure failing to pair up is the key part of that phenomenon. Offering money for a future child is a dubious motivation for a woman who can’t find anyone to be the father.
Low birth rates are not sustainable — eventually, societies will collapse, most likely from migration. In his dystopian fantasy Submission, Michel Houellebecq imagines the Muslim Brotherhood solidifying their coup in still majority Gaelic France by marrying off the atomized French elites to Muslim girls. He shows the land of quintessential Latin lovers withering away, and the Brotherhood offering a fix to their problems. Without any need to pursue a woman, a high status man can find himself a harem, perhaps filled with underage harlots — an arrangement almost as easy as web porn.
There is no easy solution to it all and maybe it’s already too late to alter the direction in which millennials and Gen Z are heading — their fate was probably sealed by the lockdowns. Parents should avoid media toys for their kids altogether — not just limit, but deny access. And, of course, we need to show more respect for masculine virtues. Maybe men will come back — we have no choice; it’s a question of life and death for our civilization.
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women consider themselves children in many situations and then confuse the situation by demanding to being treated like equals….except when they want to be treated as children
so with that confusion now solidified/codified,, males who wont or dont know how to play that game ( and yes,,,some by their own choices to play video games etc) are further destroyed by the mental illness that not only sets in but is pounced upon by both the msm and the feminist movement as
weak etc so then these weak ( who are pos) become the next anger issue with a weapon
women raise 98% of all males so the guidance there is worth exploring
when 2 of the females of the view tv show tried to get the gang to talk about that ( as reported right here in LI) the joyless one shut them down with screams of
they ( all males) are just sexist
politics over the need for mental health for males…but make sure kamala gets her $$$$$$$$$
40 years of telling men that women don’t need them. Lonely women hardest hit.
ripe pickn for the p e n is envy crowd
that was/is the goal
Mary Chastain and Leslie Eastman could learn something about how to write by reading this excellent article.
Katya writes like an adult and not a teenager.
’twas me thumbed you. I don’t often log in any more, but that comment more than deserved the finger. Or thumb if that’s the way you choose to see it.
not sure what your point is but am willing to look into it as I have no issues with any of the writers
Never had an issue with Mary Chastain, but when I pointed out a factual error in one of Leslie’s articles, she got defensive and then basically told me if I don’t like it, I don’t have to read her stuff.
So I don’t read her stuff.
If I can’t trust her to be accurate and factual in what she writes, what’s the point? I may as well read the NYT.
Sigmund Fraud was a total joke, as is psychoanalysis.
maybe his analysis of you was disappointing
Pearl’s own description,
— Modern women are f*cking delusional. Want out of the matrix? → Pearlinvite.com
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https://www.youtube.com/@JustPearlyThings
https://www.businessinsider.com/the-rise-of-pearl-the-female-misogynist-andrew-tate-2023-3
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannah_Pearl_Davis
Young liberal white women hate capitalism but think a career must be the most important thing in their lives.
“We don’t need no man!”
So the slogan goes. So, who digs up the slab foundation to change the waste pipe? Who installs the new garage door? Who repairs the appliances? Who changes the tire?
“We don’t need no man!”
Algebraically speaking, yes they do.
Our current state is written in music.
70s were full of live songs: l love you, I need you, I want you, I miss you, I can’t live without you.
Today: I can buy my own flowers.
That’s why No One Brings Her Flowers… aneeee-morrre.
Who knew that brow beating men, calling them toxic, shutting them out of the work force, suing for rape 20 years after an unsatisfying college hook up, AFWL’s shrieking and demanding endless abortions while waving terrorist flags and screaming about some nonsensical feminism would turn guys off? Who knew? Well, a whole bunch of cat ladies in their 40’s know now.
You hit the nail on the head! And with the intense programming by the left, they’ve nearly succeeded in destroying all FAMILIES! WHY? People DEPENDENT on Gov’t are easier to control! For the DEMOcrats it’s all about the power and control – the kids are just collateral damage who will be dependent as soon as they become voting age!!
I think back to my childhood (poor) and teenage years (still poor, but so innocent compared to today) with a feeling of sadness that today’s kids don’t have that extraordinary closeness that we had! We hung out at Drive in Restaurants, bowling alleys, or girlfriend’s houses!! The late 60’s were amazing times as well as the music! We DATED – we HELD HANDS – we KISSED – we LOVED and looked at our life as being a journey to be taken with the one we LOVED! Kids don’t have that today – society moves so much faster and less personally – it sucks!
Society is just beginning to comprehend the consequences of the feminist movement.
Start your journey by watching the popular vids of Karen Straughan.
https://youtube.com/@girlwriteswhat?si=eSYDqoDElj5Z9by6
Then read The Book of Numbers by Aaron Clarey.
The only winning move is not to play.
Fish really do need bicycles….
the new quote is … bicycles don’t really have any use for fish.
For the totalitarians who run much of the media, academia and government the destruction of boy-girl romance (#MeToo) and the traditional family accomplishes an important goal. Loyalty to your God and your family is an unacceptable rival to unquestioned loyalty to the State. A society of socially isolated and emotionally crippled people is useful to totalitarians. Take their pain and loneliness and tell them the cause of their misery is (pick one or more) capitalism, the patriarchy, global warming, Jews, racism, Christians – and like self-guided missiles turn them loose on society to vent their rage on the selected target.
I doubt a comeback. I’m 55 years old and no dates.
Too dangerous. All it takes is one allegation, no proof.
My parents grew up with the idea that marriage is two people who can get along with each other, working together to make a family.
They just passed their 75th anniversary.
These feminists think the men are the problem. Take a look at why marriage counseling is failing so often. They demand the men make all the compromises / changes, and never the woman.
They can just learn the joys of having 50+ cats in the house.
If you are 55 and can’t get any dates, it’s because your are fat, old, and ugly. Own it. Don’t succumb to being a misogynist.
Listen to the voice of experience, guys.
Well that was a bit of a stretch. I read it as he didn’t want to date because of the feminist driven post date “buyer’s regret”
As for his appearance, one might assume you are projecting, given that I would be surprised if you knew him at all. If you do, and you are just needling each other, then my apologies. To some, “fat, old and ugly” is easily trumped by a large bank account and a nice car. See: Bezos.
But his remark that women always think the man is the problem (since they are always right) is pretty much spot on. My wife is still trying to “fix” me. LOL! Good luck with that.
What a sad state you are in. No wonder you keep telling people to look in the mirror. You can barely stand to look at yourself.
Not really. I went into my 40’s without dating because i worked 70 hours a week as a truck driver and was gone several weeks at a time.
Speaking of “fat, old and ugly,” like a fart in an elevator, here you are.
He didn’t say he *can’t* get any dates, dumbass.
He’s saying there’s too much risk to dating now, thanks to #MeToo.
Perhaps you should spend more time recovering your law license, rather than wasting pixels here.
It all started with the pink hair and went downhill from there.
Note that many – likely most, I don’t know – marriage counselors are women.
I am going to say that women have simply made the stakes too high, and the rewards too meager to make their elaborate and complex game worth playing. My experience with most American women is that they occupy some strange zone where they have no need to compromise and men are expected to step up to their expectations… unless they feel like playing feminine and submissive. It’s as if she’s been reading “10 steps to being a powerful Businesswoman” for a week, and then switched over to Harlequin Romance. It gets confusing and annoying. And then, there’s the aforementioned “Me-Too” danger. Who would ever be dumb enough to date a woman at their work place? An accused man must prove himself innocent…and that can’t be done. What was consensual on Saturday night morphs into assault by Monday, and no, this isn’t a hypothetical….
Installing boudoir dashcams used to be a kink, not defensive evidence..
Hypergamy is part of the problem. Men date down. Women date up. Women also think themselves 10s when their 3 or 4s. So you have 80% of the women chasing after 20% of the men. These men have their pick and won’t wife them up. Why bother. This leaves 80% of the men unable to date.
This continues even after a man marries. His wife will continually be thinking of replacing him with something better. The end result is divorce and broken families. Also boys raised by women – a recipe for disaster.
All foisted on us by the unhappy cat loving box wine drinking pseudo-elitist semi-intellectual Kamaltoe voting white coastal feminist females. Females who still continue to complain about the nonexistent patriarchy and that they are paid less then men (a lie).
This is all red pill theory and it’s compelling.
It seems that women are destroying western society in many ways. Eventually they or their daughters are going to end up covered from head to toe in some muslims harem. I hope they’ll enjoy their new life.
explain “dating down”
wealth?brains? looks?
I have heard that hypergamy statement before
that and class, social status
This is covered in a clever manner by an internet personality that uses the moniker hoe_math.
https://youtube.com/@hoe_math?si=sX1JK8RoJMqLP48f
If you go start at the beginning. One of the best YouTube sites. Pretty well explains how we got here and where we are.
Fat, old, ugly men think that they are 10s when they are at best, 3s. Most of them can’t even see their genitals because of their beer belly.
Women see past that when the car is a Mercedes and the dear sweet thing sees the Rolex on his wrist.
And, I see mine fine. I have a floor length mirror.
I see mine just fine too. But it’s not the mirror that’s floor length.
“It used to be fun; now it’s work!”
“Most of them can’t even see their genitals because of their beer belly.”
You sound like a “pyrsyn” with some experience, Junior.
Well said and true.
To an extent your right but it’s not a new phenomena. This has been going on for thousands of years. Women “date up” because the stakes for them in having a child are so great they try for the best provider they can get. It persists often unconsciously to this day and instead of the best hunter or fighter in a tribe, it’s the richest guy who can buy them things.
men do the heavy lifting and thinking and then comes the jealousy from the not so womenly women
so the men then get pushed to the back burners while those jealous ones try ( and succeed if hollywood..schools..msm have their way) and show that they either were really the ones who came up with the idea ( madame currie as one example) or actually built the contraption ( blm>>>we built this country)
and men are told the whole time that fighting back ( if they even have the time or courage) are weak for fighting back
( the efforts they took against trump when he refused to back down from the attacks by females)
men have plenty of bad issues that must be addressed
but it is the female ( as this column correctly notes) who are or appear to be or are once again…THE VICTIMS
REMEMBER
one man with 10 women could repopulate the earth
but 1 women and 10 men not the same
but thats notttt what the lefty will tell you
Don’t worry. There will NEVER be a world in which one man like yourself and 10 women could repopulate the world. That would never ever happen.
Glad you’re still getting your constant 1 upvote.
Is the Bag Balm helping?
I couldn’t to it. I had a vasectomy when I was 23.
But just 10? I lost count somewhere around 82.
I also had one but I’m willing to give it a try anyways.
Quit upvoting yourself, dumbass.
It used to be that men and women knew how to play the game by mutually recognized rules and, better, actually wanted to. Now, not so much. Thanks, Freidan.
What man wants to play a game that nobody understands?
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Nobody?,….Oh, the women understand quite well
Before I realized which way I was wired, I tried to date. I just never figured women out. Two were users, the third it was a short romance because my duty station changed. Single mother, with a 3 year old daugter who was crazy about me. Even then, it all was of a complexity I never figured out.
There are plenty of straight guys who can’t figure out women.
I saw statistics recently concerning divorce. I don’t remember the exact figures, the the rates for hetero couples and gay couples was about the same. The rate for lesbians is about three times higher. So it’s not the men. Even women can’t figure out women, apparently.
Can’t tell you how many women have told me that they’d rather work with men than women because a workplace with too many women is a pain in the ascot.
Nobody can figure women out. There is a whole section in bookstores and libraries trying to explain it and every book boils down to “your on your own, boys”
Question: In this day and age, what benefit is marriage for men?
It’s a terrific benefit — if you find a good woman.
But the women in today’s pool have all been trained to be nuts.
When a man follows the current social rules and finds relationship missing in his life, he’s willing to break convention in whatever way he can find to satisfy that void.
When a woman follows the rules, she’s more likely to worry much more about what her friends and mentors think of her than what she personally needs, cleaves to conformity, and blames herself that her loneliness is unique to her.
Breaking up the nuclear family is a doctrine of Marxists, and our leftist media has had much more success targeting the women than the men. The men aren’t happy about it, but they roll with it and sublimate. The women just get more neurotic and bitter.
Men;s movement would say none.
I’d say it depends on the man and the woman. How they were raised. What their values are. What they want from life. Where they live. Who their friends are. What their personalities are.
The benefits of marriage are the same as they ever were; finding a loving mate to spend your life with, to raise a family with, someone who will be on your side no matter what, your champion, your hero, to be strong when you need them to be, to be a comfort when you need them to be.
Oh, and regular sex.
For those who view marriage as an extended but limited time hook-up, of course there is no worth there.
But for those who are willing to love and serve their families, there is no comparable relationship on this earth.
The real problem is that the potential risk is too high. So high it far exceeds the potential benefit. Start with the danger of even approaching a given woman today. Will she call the cops? Will she record and post it online? Will she humiliate the man who worked up the courage to make a cold approach? (this seems to have become a purposeful trend for women).
Then the 1st date. Will she ghost or show up …but bring her ‘friend’? It is apparently a test to determine if the man has the financial ability to qualify to continue dating. Games galore but little honesty. There’s an online list of ‘female icks’ that is well over 500 things that men must not do, often contradictory. Now maybe it moves to a relationship… uh oh will she make false accusations if she (really more her friends) decide she shouldn’t have stayed the night? Now there’s legal fees and potential jail time, probably a lost job and absolutely negative career impact.
Then we get to marriage…45%+ rate of failure. By a very long way the reason stated is not a traditional one; abuse, infidelity but ‘irreconcilable differences’. Women file 75%+ of divorce claims. They overwhelmingly receive alimony and are awarded physical custody of the children plus child support 85%+.
If y’all want young men to view relationships much less marriage as a viable option then you’re gonna have to overcome the minimal objections I listed. Most older men are advising young men not to get married and the younger men can see the statistics and they know family members who’ve been the run through wringer examples of prior generations for the past six decades. There seen the family court system destroy their Fathers, Uncles, Cousins, Grandfathers.
Preaching about marriage and find a ‘good woman’ is Pollyanna propaganda. Look at STD rates, at single mother rates, at financial anchors of women with the bulk of student debt and consumer debt. Who wants to marry that?
Commochief: “… uh oh will she make false accusations if she (really more her friends) decide she shouldn’t have stayed the night?”
I do find it fascinating that sex seems to be considered a required part of dating. Yeah, sure, everyone – every man? – wants a sex life, but even the idea of third date means sex is just crazy to me, let alone first date! You really don’t know anything about each other in that time, and given the risks; why would you?
It seems to me that in the current environment Christians, meaning those who take it seriously and are actually trying to be Christian, have a huge advantage. My later teenage years were spent in church circles where largish groups of teens ‘n twenties spent time together. You got to know each other in a non-romance, and an expectation of no sex, environment; and that gave us the ability to get to know each other before we started dating. I married the first girl I dated, because I knew her (in a non Biblical sence!) before I married her. Nothing has changed; teens ‘n twentys at our church, and others in the region, get together in the same way and have the same advantages. Sadly divorce and adultery still happen in church circles, but far more rarely, and the number of 50(ish) year mariages amongst our congregation’s older members would be astonishing to those outside the church.
One thing that ticks me off, and I’m not having a go at you here commochief, you are only repeating the oft claimed statistic, is “Then we get to marriage…45%+ rate of failure.”. The thing that is never mentioned is that a FAR higher percentage of FIRST marriages DO NOT end in failure, even today. About 50% of second marriages fail, about 90% of third marriages, and beyond that you are just REALLY kidding yourself! The figures for those who have failed at one marriage and tried again (and again, and, again, and again) distort the overall figure and leave you with a dispairing view of marriage! Two divorcees that I know have said to me: “Well, I survived divorce once, I can do it again if it comes to that. It seems that there is far less commitment to making a marriage work after a first divorce. I do have a friend who is on her third, and this time I believe successful, marriage, and a distant relative who has had his sixth divorce!
Absolutely correct about the divorce statistics and how they’re skewed by those with multiple failed marriages.
Your point about Christians is correct statistically, but also true about traditional Judaism also. Of the developed countries only Israel remains at replacement level. South Korea is at a 0.7 replacement rate. In three generations they go extinct. Digital dating has been a disaster for both men (80% get no swipes) and women (they only swipe the top 20%, )
Paul,
No worries I don’t feel targeted, though I didn’t suggest sex was a requirement on a 3rd date. That’s up to the two consenting adults figuring out a relationship.
About 45% of first marriages fail. Higher % failures for 2nd and 3rd marriages. The overall rate would be higher than 45% if we included divorce of all marriage. Lets say it was only 33%. A 1/3 failure rate ain’t good. That’s only the divorces, doesn’t include the sexless marriages and other unpleasant marriages that aren’t so easily tracked.
My main point that you didn’t address is the idea of overcoming the resistance to the idea of marriage from men who see the cultural landscape and all the inherent risks. You don’t gotta convince me …you gotta convince the men who don’t see it as good idea by taking the problems I laid out seriously and working to change our family court system among other things to induce them. Marriage is a ‘product’ and y’all gotta work to sell it
Paul,
One other point. The various religious groups need to be far more serious about marriage. When Churches don’t police their own congregation they lose credibility to make religious arguments re the importance of marriage. Same for the Gov’t.
If our society valued marriage then there’d be all sorts of bad incentives to divorce. Instead our family court rewards one party in a divorce with financial incentives to destroy the marriage. Got to equalize the incentives. Same for Churches who don’t put any social stigma/burden on those who file for divorce. Heck they often officiate at a second wedding.
I suggest mandatory DNA test to establish paternity. Reframe child support using the average amount of $ in that State but split it 50/50 and require both Parents to pay to the four administered account. Custodial Parent must provide quarterly accounting of how funds spent with receipts. The.default on custody should be 50/50 physical custody with any deviation requiring evidence that one is an unfit Parent. Financial ability to support the Children should definitely be a consideration of fitness to have custody. Alimony should never be awarded in a ‘no fault’ divorce, it could be awarded in a divorce for traditional reasons; infidelity, abuse.
Those are very low hanging fruit to make reforms of our family court system and in our culture to support marriage. I suspect many will object to the injection of actual equality and removing current incentives to divorce.
I had one of those women when I was dating. I had somewhat nice car, a very used Porsche (that ended up costing too much to maintain anyway, but it was fun to drive) so she told me about her ex who had a Ferrari. I was definitely one-upped on that. Guess I was supposed to try to compete. I just noted that this dream guy had apparently dumped her because they were no longer together, so why would I not plan on doing the same? But first …
I didn’t react but kept taking her on cheap dates to watch her get frustrated. She kept hinting she wanted me to prove my financial worthiness, without really daring to say it. I kept proving to her why I still had some money by not spending it on her and taking her to good restaurants that were also very affordable i.e. she was an excuse for me to eat where I would have eaten anyway, and I didn’t mind paying for one extra. (Maybe once I even suggested going Dutch just to piss her off.) She started reacting weirdly, and when this got to be boring I stopped calling her.
Hey I was just being honest, showing her what life would actually be like with me, not trying to create any false impression. But I was also in it as a chance to study female dating psychology, and marvel at the depravity.
In contrast, the woman who became my wife reacted to my suggestion to take her out to eat as a first date, by saying she would cook for me instead. That worked better. The fastest way to a man’s heart is through his stomach.
I used to approach women the same way I’d approach a job interview – let them know immediately what I’m like so they could figure out for themselves whether or not they could tolerate me. I would want neither a woman nor an employer that couldn’t get along with me and wouldn’t appreciate me. Neither arrangement would last nor would they be advantageous to either of us, so why bother?
Well, you could have a loving companion, regular intimate and loving sex, children, and be happy. But I understand, that is not what you want.
Lots of folks experience those things for the first 6-10 years of marriage…. then get hit with a divorce by b/c their ‘companion’ decided that blowing up the marriage and choosing to wreck their own home would somehow make them happy. 75%+ of the time that’s filed by the woman. Of the remaining 55% of marriages that exist many are sexless and unhappy something approaching 25%-33%. So of all current 1st marriages; 45% will end in divorce, and another 15-20% are sexless and unhappy.
Appeals to trite traditionalist frameworks that haven’t been the rule in the six decades of no fault divorce won’t work to sell marriage to skeptics…. and that’s who you gotta convince the skeptics, preaching to the choir or the amen corner that already agree isn’t gonna move.the needle.
You gonna have to create interest b/c rates of marriage are dropping and age of 1st marriage is now 32 for men. More worrisome is that it jumped by 2.5 years to age 29 for women since 2009. Not for nothing but women who get married in their 30’s have far fewer years of potential childbirth than in their early 20’s.
Sure some people do find a great Spouse that actually keeps and honors their vows and they work through up/down of any long-term relationship…but today’s culture is one of instant gratification with a sort of ‘what have you done for me lately’ dynamic in era where our culture views everything as disposable …then marriages become disposable as well.
Happened to a friend of mine. Wife’s clutch of girlfriends worked on her long enough to convince her she wasn’t being her “authentic self” or some such trash and the women moved out to find herself. She ended up alone in an apartment when her supposed friends moved on, lost her job and now has severe mental problems. All because she was convinced by women who were educated by Cosmo and Vogue.
Check out the woman in the photo up top. Isn’t she the same woman who was fretting two days ago about the Czech miscarriage numbers?
Approximately 50% of all marriages in the U.S. end in divorce or separation;
About 41% of first marriages result in divorce;
As for second marriages, this number rises to 60%;
73% of Americans married for the third time are likely to file for divorce.
69% of all divorces in the U.S. are initiated by women, 31% by men.
I believe that number rises by 10% if the women is college educated.
Women are never satisfied,
The average duration of marriage that ends in divorce is 13 years
The average age for people going through a divorce is 41 years old
Make of this what you will, but Christian couples who regularly pray together (this is key) have a divorce rate as low as 1%. The numbers I’ve seen documented are 1 divorce for every 1,152 marriages. To me, that indicates that a Christ-centered family has a huge advantage over other “committed” couples.
The Biblical admonition is “being equally yoked”. Had to listen through a divorce of a good friend…his wife walked in one day and said to him and the kids that she didn’t love them anymore and was leaving. Turns out this is the same psychological break many women have…in great part hormonal….Chist Evert the tennis star wrote about how she went through it. The women’s personality can change multiple times in a few years. Some, like Evert …regain reality and the sadness of what they did.
Seven year itch, although I am surprised she ditched the kids too. As I understand the seven year itch, the caveman shows he can kill a mammoth and thus attracts a cavewoman to be his wife. After a few kids, she instinctively kicks him out, to raise the children among the community of cavemothers. If the man wants more kids, he has to kill another mammoth and attract a new cavewife. Thus fitness repeatedly tested.
Now think of how that works with nofault divorce where the woman usually manages to finagle getting most of the stuff and child support. The man is practically murdered. Good luck getting up on his feet and reproducing again after that!
There is a reason the term Passport Bros exists. Western women can be toxic. Unfortunately western feminism has spread to the east and the women in those cultures are adopting it to the detriment of those countries.
I find this stuff fascinating and there are kernels of truth in it but I don’t think it applies to everyone or everywhere, People aren’t monolithic, at least yet though that seems to be a goal of both socialism and islamism.
It’s like arguing that people win the lottery every day.
It’s true, but it doesn’t make YOUR chances probable.
If there are 50 prizes in the raffle, your chances are better than if there are 4.
When it comes to women, the number of “prizes” available has dwindled just about that much in the past 50 years,
Once the Great Society hit the pavement, Uncle Sugar became the bicycle of default..
Actually it seems they are monolithic. Women, if given a opportunity of choice, only chose higher value partners. Men monolithicly will chose a variety of levels. Enforced monogamy has only been around since the 1200s.
But I think most men and most women ended up marrying and reproducing, often more than enough to offset infant mortality. If women were choosy, still some were dipping down, willingly or not, into the 20th percentile of men for mates. Now I guess reproduction is no longer assumed to be one of the major goals, or the most important goal of all, in their lives. And women apparently ignore men below the top 20%, don’t “see” them at all. That seems strange to me, but it seems to be true. They would rather see cats in their future.
Neither men nor women are monolithic as I think of it, they are not a conspiracy, certainly not now as we are members of so many sorts of communities, if you get a reputation as a loser in one community, you can just choose a new avatar and come back to try again, or join a different club that meets a few miles away. But women (maybe also men but they aren’t the objects of my interest) have enough similarities to react similarly to similar situations.
Women are usually depressed, and what they’re depressed by is thinking how badly they’ve treated their men.
It doesn’t bother them at all. If they are depressed, it is out of concern for themselves not others.
A perfect illustration of why I ended up going all the way to Eastern Europe to find a woman who not only has the values I was looking for, but also realistic expectations about men.
I have absolutely ZERO sympathy for lonely cat ladies, or lonely without the cats.
Here is my perspective as a disinterested party because I have no interest in women.
The more radical, bra-burner, all-men-are-rapists mindset has been around for decades. Women have alienated themselves from men in many ways.
“Hey! I like the new ‘do!” used to get “thank you”, now it’s a trip to HR, mandatory counseling, and a mark in your permanent record. Same thing with opening a door. At the very least, a glaring scowl.
When I was in the Navy I saw FAR more cheating among wives that among the men, whether the wives were service members or not. Husband goes out on a deployment and the ship barely clears the breakwater and she’s b0nking someone else. “Mommy, who is that?” “Oh! He’s a friend we knew back stateside!”
My high school reunions overflowed with still-married folks where the husband was this pale, wan, hollowed-out husk of a man; the wife – now 200+ pounds vs the fox she was in high school – making digging, belittling remarks. The men put up with it because a lot of them built wealth they would lose in divorce court. They put up with the old bag so they don’t live the rest of their lives living in a studio or one-BR apartment on the fourth floor of a walkup.
Marriage has become “I love you let’s get married”. Two or more kids later, two decent to nice vehicles and a nice but mortgaged home and it’s “Honey I just don’t love you anymore…”. Family court grants her the better vehicle, the house, the furnishings including HIS things, half his pension, half his 401K, his firearms after she gets an injunction for “abuse”, and more. All to be with her Chad or Tyrone. Oh, and, the father is LUCKY to see the kids every other weekend, if she will let him, regardless what the court has said.
Men are analytical. They – literally or metaphorically – pencil things out. Benefits vs risk. Given the dangers of family court; the dangers of HR, or for the young, the dangers of college “committees” taking in rape allegations and automatically believing the helpless frail female, they go their own way. Video games, porn, hobbies, or just knowing that that 401 remains HIS, that house remains HIS, the car and his other possessions are HIS.
I’m glad I never married. I think I may have wanted kids, and would have done things 180 degrees from what my father did and so would have been a good father. They’d have turned out fine. Alas…
Griz:
I once told somebody who had just announced that he was getting married again (for the third time):
“Why don’t you find a woman who already hates your guts, and just give her half your shit?”
Truly, it would have saved a lot of time (and yes, he got taken to the cleaners once again).
good one
No doubt they fancy themselves to be revolutionaries —
Luna: Miles, I wrote a song about the revolution.
Miles Monroe: There’s not going to be any revolution, unless we stop the Aries Project.
Luna: Don’t you worry about that; you just relax. Now, listen:
[Plays guitar and sings]
Luna: Rebels are we! Born to be free! Just like the fish in the sea!
[Note: the rebels in Bananas, which Woody Allen had made two years before Sleeper, sing the same song]
Those red state’s that are putting the age verification requirement on porn sites are doing women a favor. The population implosion will pass them by.
My wife substitute teaches (NE TN). Her primary observation is the families are 4-6 kids here. Usually 2 parent homes with lots of participation from mee-maw and pa-pa (I hate those names, but that’s what they use) Back in Wa… 2-3 kids was the max. Single mom was way more common.
The Bible belt will win the population war.
my kigdom’s for an edit button’s.
“kigdom”? Do your typing fingers have a head cold? /ducking
intentional. I had an extra ‘ …..
Muslims and illegal aliens will win the population war. They are doing it right now
For all of Islam’s faults, having lots of kids is not one of them.
If I’m being honest, there’s some other things I respect about them too. Put a picture of Allah in a jar of piss with the sole intent of offending them and see how that goes.
get your thought
but I dont give respect to those who go violent over their loved one(s) being displayed in a bad way
Just picture Muhammad instead, you won’t even need the jar or the piss.
Liberals marry less often, have fewer kids, abort them more often, sterilize them as transgenders more often, and have children with significantly more mental illness- unable to pair bond. If this is a genetic trait it is certain to eliminate itself. It can only recruit from other groups long term. Teach your kids well
They are also waiting longer to settle down and have kids. Peter Pan complex.
I’ve got a dozen nieces and nephews and only 1 got married before 30. None of the others are on track to. Only 1 has had kids before 30.
I personally only got kids with Wife 2.o and starting at 33 gave us very little time to fight the long and arduous IVF battle.
One traditional way to avoid low probability pregnancy is for Men to marry younger Women. The stigma some wish to impose on ‘age gap’ dating/relationships is foolish. The biological fact is women are on a short timeline for fertility. By 35 it’s a geriatric pregnancy. IVF is expensive and the Govt should absolutely NOT subsidize it for older women in their 30’s who waited to try and convince and carry a healthy child to term.
Women gotta ditch the feminist girl boss mindset that lies to them and tells them to put career ahead of family formation, marriage and children in their 20’s. Otherwise many will end up in their 30’s single and childless. Lets say the Man the woman is attracted to wants four children. If she’s in her 30’s that’s gonna be far more difficult than in her early 20’s.
Woman meets Man and she’s 30, they have a year of courtship and marry. 31. Then spend a couple years enjoying the honeymoon phase. 33. They decide to begin having these four children. If they stagger step the births 2 years apart then the first child is born at 34 ish with the last.child at age 40….assuming no issues in conceiving and carrying four healthy children to term… which seems unlikely.
IMO many modern women are gonna end up regretting that they didn’t focus on family formation and children in their 20’s. Many will remain unwed. What’s to become of these and the massive number of divorced who will be without a spouse in their elder years? Will they demand Uncle Sugar subsidize them in place of their Spouse? I would say it’s already occurring with demands for IVF subsidies. Next shoes to.drop are massive student loan and consumer credit debt and all sorts of begging and crying to save them….well if they had a family then they’d be able to work together to solve it. That assumes their debt burden, age and fertility doesn’t disqualify them from attracting a good candidate for marriage. It’s tough to be a woman and face these choices but it is unavoidable and IMO society needs to stop lying to young women and tell them the facts.
agree
“stop lying to young women”..
and therein lies the problem
its their whole house of cards
and by the time a female realizes the truth
she then has to lie to herself so that she doesnt have that huge regret of not having a family when she had the chance
the msm is full of stories on how they dont regret not having the husband and kids
Who dares tell them the facts? Actually the facts are out there, but one can probably still be “cancelled” for saying them. Used to be they would call you misogynistic (whether the speaker is male or especially female — women enforce compliance the strongest on each other) now they just cancel, which in most ways I prefer.
I don’t have occasion to discuss these issues with young women, but I would guess they’ve all seen arguments like this. Maybe their mothers even tried to talk sense to them, being by definition among the more successful American women in having children.
Society is broken. Men won’t trust them, nor should they. Maybe there’s a tiny window in high school for sweethearts to meet and stick together. By college or career, it’s probably very hard.
To fix this, I would advocate arranged marriages or at least arranged meetings. Let the parents do the work the kids can’t do, get them paired up and off the dating market. And then stay involved enough in their early married lives to create an expectation that the marriage is to last; they are obligated to stay in almost any circumstances. That’s known to work. I don’t know of any other way that’s working now.
I do not understand younger women. I have been married 41 years and fully understand my wife.
I was confused by the actions of a female student that wanted my company at lunch the other day. I blew it off as she had daddy issues or some other kink. BTH I am within 5 lbs of my HS weight when I had ripped muscles. I am a lot softer now but I do not have the beer belly.
Hey everyone, gather ’round.
There are no penises to be found
Hedwig certainly comes to mind…
They lopped them off and left a mound.
Old saying that might help this conversation:
Women demand to be cherished.
Men would prefer not to be annoyed.
There’s an old, very long joke, that I’ll seriously compress here.
Two women see a “man store” has opened. They go inside.
The salesperson tells them how the store works. The floors have men of differing quality, with quality improving as one goes up through the building. They are told they can pick a man from any floor, but once they’ve gone up a floor without choosing a man, they can’t go back down to pick one.
The women start on the second floor…
Here’s where the men on each of four or five successive floors are described in detail, with each floor featuring better men than the last, until the women get to a floor where the men are just fabulously perfect.
…but the women decide, “Let’s go up just one more floor.”
There, they find the floor empty, but for another sales person who informs them, “This floor exists to show those women who can’t be satisfied with near-perfect men have set their expectations far too high and will likely never be satisfied. And no, you cannot go back down a floor. You must take the express elevator to the ground floor, from whence you must exit the building.”
And the data backs this up. 75% of women will not accept a man who meets 75% of her requirements. 75% of men will accepta woman who meets 75% of his requirements
oh man thats a good one
They may demand to be cherished, but that is not what attracts them or keeps them around.
Maybe men are equally “guilty” i.e. leaving the man alone is not optimal for the woman even though the man prefers it. Women will probably have a better idea on this point than I do.
Leftist women are unhappy because they believe work will make them happier than marriage and family.. .
Woke, leftist women would be happier if they took Mother Teresa’s advice.
The Red Pill documentary is free on youtube.
https://youtu.be/Q7MkSpJk5tM?si=cFbIdvU9uxO7ZiUV
Like most writing, it says a lot about the writer. Sort of blames men for women’s far left insane activism (despite the reversal at the end). Implies that men could have “come out on top” after 2016, in the early years of Trump 45. No that was way too early. What does “on top” mean anyway? What were women offering that was so great?
The article suggests paying women to have more children. From tax money taken from men, of course. Will just increase baby daddies. None of this will have a good end unless women are stopped from divorcing. Yeah abused women at risk etc. bla bla bla. Cry me a river. The social mores around families need to swing back the other way, if they are to continue swinging at all. I don’t see it happening. Women are able to twist both leftist and rightist social movements in their favor over men. Let them.
Narcissistic women (but I repeat myself) simply cannot think of others, either other women or men, but since other women are in the same circumstance they are, their solutions for themselves advantage other women over men. And so has been our social movement for at least 50 years. Even slow learners have caught on by this time. Now men try a little, realize it’s just a way to get used more, and learn a bit of narcissism themselves. They stop reaching out to those women.
The woman uses the man, as it’s always been (that’s just human nature especially female nature), but now offsetting social strictures have been removed, and I don’t see them coming back in America, at all. Rather than complaining about the state of nature, men are learning to get value for themselves, or at least amusement in a world of billions of women.
Now it’s women feeling the need and men playing the game. I think all women can do is offer more, but they won’t do that because they don’t want to be losers. When one is losing, the strongest thing to do is realize the situation for what it is and react rationally. But that’s beyond the ability of most or all women, and so they age without learning about anything besides cats.
Men can get passports, and this often works out well. The women haven’t found a way to stop that, as they continue to reject men who are gratefully grabbed up elsewhere. Who is playing better? At the end the author alludes to the horror of that — that white French men may end up with nonwhite ultra-traditional mates who came to them, so the men don’t even have to get passports. Michele Houllebecq is great reading by the way, recommended. I won’t say it’s wrong for those French men to marry those Muslim women. She relies on my saying so, reflexively, but I don’t. It is the end of France, but c’est la vie. Why do I care about France as it was for a bunch of people I never knew, a France of the imagination? Something else will be next, and it may be horrifying for women who caused it, but it will be less horrifying for men, so fine. Or maybe it will be great for women, an earthly paradise for them, and if so congratulations for seeing what I do not see at all!
By the way if this comes across as cynical, I am still married after 30+ years. I don’t know everything, but I know something. It’s amusing.
the white french male ( substitute french for american etc) and the muslim female
so lets agree that overall THAT creates a solid family
what about the more likely scenario of the french ( substitute french for american etc)
women and the (non) muslim man
what kind of society does THAT create?
well,, we and the rest of the western world now live in that
THE WELFARE STATE
so if thats the end of france..then so it is true of the usa and others
“women and the (non) muslim man
what kind of society does THAT create?”
I can’t even parse that as a meaningful question.
It evaluates to “women and all men.”
It’s interesting to see the decline of a country and culture that is completely self-inflicted.
Few people have addressed one of the core reasons people don’t marry and have kids tp form families.
Simply put, children are costs with few benefits to present-oriented people. If you do have a child these things happen.
1) Your standard of living immediately declines.
2) You immediately lose control of your life and income for at least 18 years, probably longer.
3) Your child or children will end up supporting strangers through taxes, probably living far away from you, and not taking any part in caring for or supporting you or even visiting you if you’re institutionalized.
Why would any reasonable person sign on for that?
I sure wouldn’t.
1) only if you see life in monetary terms
people who love see their standard of living dramatically skyrocket with the new child(ren)
2) having a child in many cases actually causes/helps the new parents to be more motivated and want to seek better job/pay etc
3) that sure is seeing life as an empty droll existence
hope it gets better for you
I suspect the divorced boomer generation is gonna offer some very important lessons on why having family to support one in elder years is critical. Growing govt debt and competing spending priorities won’t leave much to help out a spendthrift spinster cat lady. Factor in high consumer debt load and potentially student loan balances being garnished from SSI checks. IMO there’s gonna be more sad cases of this than many may realize.
Nope. Worthwhile people tend to have support systems of friends, even if they have no family. It pays to have connections and relationships, because you don’t want to be someone that nobody can stand.
Ah, but today, Uncle Sugar supports those. So society is thwarted at imparting its wisdom.
Woops — “those” = the ones nobody can stand.
You can thwart Darwin with a safety net, but you’re only hurting yourselves.
Female loneliness is easily solvable. Just pick the bear. You’ve already stated that you would rather have an animal than an actual man.
Live up to your own declaration, ladies.
I’m so glad I’m married to a woman who doesn’t ascribe to this craziness.