The FBI had Alleged Georgia School Shooter on Radar for a Year
Every. Single. Time.
Time to break out the meme!
Who did this? I want answers. pic.twitter.com/e1IsJMdCKl
— Burt Macklin (@BurtMaclin_FBI) September 5, 2024
I believe it always ends up like this. Whether FBI or local, the government always has the shooter on their radar.
Yes, the FBI knew about Kolt Gray, 14, the student in custody for killing four people and injuring nine others, at Apalachee High School in Georgia:
In a joint statement, the FBI’s Atlanta field office and Jackson County Sheriff’s Office said the agency’s National Threat Operations Center received an anonymous tip about threats posted online regarding a possible school shooting in May 2023.
The agencies said that the threats contained images of guns.
Within 24 hours of receiving the anonymous tip, investigators determined the threats originated in Georgia and the matter was referred to the sheriff’s office.
“The Jackson County Sheriffs’ Office located a possible subject, a 13-year-old male, and interviewed him and his father,” the FBI said. “The father stated he had hunting guns in the house, but the subject did not have unsupervised access to them.”
The agencies said the boy denied making the threats and authorities alerted local schools to monitor the child.
“At that time, there was no probable cause for arrest or to take any additional law enforcement action on the local, state, or federal levels,” the FBI said.
BREAKING: FBI says alleged Apalachee school shooter Colt Gray was investigated last year for making online threats to commit a school shooting.
"There was no probable cause for arrest." pic.twitter.com/haR9he3x5W
— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) September 5, 2024
GBI: "The shooter has been identified as Colt Gray, age 14. There have been reports that Kolten Gray, another student at the school, was involved. These reports are inaccurate." https://t.co/KN1Qtf8pHS
— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) September 4, 2024
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You have to know the false alarm rate. It’s easy to capture all shooters – just capture everybody for anything. The false positive rate is roughly 100% though.
You can always reduce the odds of missing a perp by arresting everybody. In real life it’s a tradeoff where you don’t arrest everybody but you also fail to arrest perps. Called type I and type II errors, technically. You trade them off to some standard, here probably favoring individual rights.
What is the false alarm rate on potential school shooters?
Not that the FBI has been keeping statistics on it…
Typicallly you set the false alarm rate on false positives (type 1 error) and do the best you can on false negatives (type 2 error) given that. In other words you miss school shooters as a matter of course but maybe you’ll spot one someday.
The Aunt is special but the parents , well , no surprise there
https://thesuperslice.com/blog/colt-gray-aunt-annie-polhamus-brown/
well yeah
but he wasnt a maga type and so he didnt fit the interest profile
That’s entirely too accurate for comfort. Imagine the Federal resources being currently chewed up prosecuting well over a thousand trespassers for a felony that just got overturned by the Supremes, when they could have just mailed out “$500 fine and don’t do it again” tickets from the court, just like every trespassing charge that people have faced when a Congressional protest got out of hand. Meanwhile, the ‘interesting’ characters in the event have either been slapped gently on the wrist and let go (Epps) or just plain ignored (Fencecutterbulwark, Scaffoldcommander, and the pipe bomber).
Breaking news, Minority Report was fiction.
Exactly how deviant does one have to be in order to be on the radar of federal law enforcement?
And exactly how clueless does one have to be to allow a clear risk such as this kid anywhere near a place where he could act upon whatever pathology was swimming around in his head?
A child of 14 cannot, in my mind, be criminally culpable for his actions. There is still a big “For Rent” sign in the front of their skull that won’t be occupied for another decade.
The fingers should be pointed at those responsible for the protection of the school and the children. While it is still within the first 48 hours after the incident in which everything can change, there’s enough evidence to lay a lot of blame at the feet of adults who are far more interested in political correctness than protecting children.
Well, Russian FSB called us TWICE (2009 and 2011, I believe) to warn us about Tamerlan Tsarnaev, providing detail accounting of what he was doing during his visits to Russia…and that was spending time with well-known terrorists. After the 2nd time Russia called and during the time the FBI was engaged in active-surveillance of Tsarnaev, he murdered one of his three closest known associates. The FBI never put it together and closed their investigation a few months later. After several more years of trips to Russia and Daghestan and Canada, frequenting known terrorist sympathizers and engaging in other obvious suspect behavior, Tamerlan Tsarnaev and his brother committed the Boston Marathon Bombing.
Draw your own conclusions.
Meanwhile, the FBI is still indicting and arresting geriatric citizens because they were too close to the US Capitol on January 6th.
FBI = Friendly But Incompetent
Didn’t anyone think it relevant that his preferred pronoun was school shooter?
niceeeee
Still and again: What did the FIB know, and how much did the FIB orchestrate?
Funny you should say that, because monitoring for potential school shooters would provide perfect cover for an operation that was identifying potential shooters with the purpose of directing/encouraging/facilitating school shootings by those very same persons so identified. This could possibly explain why it seems so many school shooters were “on the FBI’s radar a year ago” – the program isn’t designed to stop school shootings, it’s designed to manage them for political purposes. Thinking otherwise may actually be the tail wagging the dog.
“If you don’t keep them on your radar, how can you be sure your checks clear?”
“The father stated he had hunting guns in the house, but the subject did not have unsupervised access to them.” After the FBI shows up, I would wonder what the father did? We still haven’t been updated on the firearm used nor where he got it.
More to the point, I haven’t yet seen a single report that the firearm used was one owned by the father. I suggest that since we haven’t heard that by now, that “dog did not bark in the night.”
I tend to agree. It ain’t ain’t that hard to trace a serial # and if initially came back easy peasy to the Dad we would probably know that by now. I suspect he accessed it from a family member like an uncle, cousin, sibling. It ain’t as this 14 year old bought it legally and unless he’s way more of a competent, confident guy than he’s being portrayed as I don’t see him getting it off the street. Oddball 14 year-olds probably don’t fare too well carrying cash to some shady people to buy a firearm. Heck, even criminals have enough sense not to sell some oddball kid a firearm without wondering if he’s gonna do something like this. My money’s on him stealing it from someone he knew.
A few years ago my tiny school had a schizophrenic student threaten to shoot up the school. One of his two adoptive moms was/is a police officer. She swore up and down the kid never had access to any firearms at any time so there wasn’t really anything that could be done. It seems crazy to me that this is the standard.
The next day, when parents learned nothing real was being done, several videos surfaced of that kid carrying the mom’s duty pistol and wandering through the woods plinking at trees, stumps, etc. Then, something was done about the threat.
When it comes to safe storage, if it wasn’t for brain-dead drug addict parents, cops would easily come in #1 as the worst offenders.
In Connecticut, a mother whose child was shot by the child of her cop neighbor, using the neighbor’s service pistol, spearheaded the state’s 1990 “safe storage” law. As of 1996, only two people had been convicted under the law: one minister, and another cop.
Shortly after, Massachusetts passed its own “safe storage” law, and the first two high-profile violations were in police stations. In Worcester, one member of a youth sports league allowed to use the showers in the PD after games in the municipal gym raided the locker room and scored a “police only” model of handgun, which is why unusual concerns were raised after it was subsequently used “many months” afterward in a gang shooting. In Hudson, a teenage “volunteer worker” at the PD also raided the locker room after hours, and was caught recreationally (and not entirely safely) practicing marksmanship with it against trees in the local woods. Despite having clearly violated the new law (most gun laws in commie states entirely exempt LEOs, but this one didn’t), a law requiring a MINIMUM sentence of decades, neither police chief was charged or punished, because the law is always different for them than for everybody else.
Meanwhile, in the aftermath of the Boston Marathon Bombing, a police dragnet ordered residents out of their homes at gunpoint — without warrants, a clear constitutional violation — in order to search for the bombers (who were ultimately found far away). While searching the homes, officers charged a number of homeowners with violations of the safe-storage law, which requires firearms to be locked up when not under the direct control of a licensed adult. However, the reason the firearms had been left unattended was that the police had ordered the licensed adults out of the house in the first place.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LrbsUVSVl8
Note the officer (in the turret atop the armored car) pointing his weapon at the windows of homes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A5vfyFyptQ
There’s a video (I was unable to find it) that shows a POV of a person in a second floor window at whom the officer pointed his weapon.
School shootings are a news gold mine. Huge numbers see it as an entertainment choice, as the news has known since Columbine, which was good for weeks of tuned in audience.
What does the news claim to know that you don’t know? They claim to know what is important.
Even though it’s people in a distant state that you never heard of.
And guess what makes school shootings as popular as they are to shooters? Notoriety.
It seems that there was probable cause for the FBI to look into whether the kid was on psychiatric drugs (SSRIs, in specific) to actually be able to determine more accurately what the threat level posed by the kid might have been.
We have still not heard what drugs this kid was on. Almost every single of these sorts of shooters was on anti-depressants or anti-anxiety or anti-psychotics. The last 5 or 6 have been trannies. Trannies have been able to make themselves a greater threat to safety and civil order in a very short time.
What drugs was this kid prescribed? That should be one of the first bits of information to come out about this.
What they’re saying is there was no probable cause to get a warrant. If that’s true, then they definitely wouldn’t have been able to get access to his medical records. We don’t know exactly what pointed them in the direction of that student, or if he was the only student they spoke with during that investigation. Without knowing those details, it’s impossible to have any insight about the probable cause standard being met…or not.
The school would probably know if the kid was on psychiatric medication. The FBI would have interviewed the parents (which they did) and would have asked them about it. Evidently, they asked the parents about guns in the house and the parents spilled out all sorts of information.
But the real question is, “Why don’t WE know about this aspect, NOW??”
The media and government slugs always do the best they can to hide any information regarding psychiatric treatments/medications. Always.
Even if the school nurse and administrators knew about psychotropic medications the child was taking, they would likely be legally prevented by federal law from discussing that medication with anyone including law enforcement. They’re bound by FERPA (a HIPAA-like law). For them to be able to discuss the child’s health, they would have to have a reasonable belief that the child was in an ’emergency’ situation. They could also be served a subpoena or warrant. Under FERPA, schools can’t even pass along disciplinary records to law enforcement without prior written consent of parents.
With respect to why we don’t know now, because the assailant survived and will be facing prosecution, we’re likely to not hear much about this case until trial, presuming there is a trial. It will be years before substantive information will be shared, just as it was with the Parkland Shooter. It was years before the public learned about the scope and depth of his ongoing disciplinary issues.
Will the 4th Amendment survive the 21st century? My bet is no.
The question to the psychiatrist is usually something like “Is this teen safe to remain in or return to the classroom?
Such a question is literally impossible to answer. And no sane professional wants to put his or her career (or life??) on the line, over and over again — by agreeing to be involved in such cases.
There’s a lot of pressure on the school’s administrators to keep students in the regular classroom setting — financially, socially.
If the psychiatrist says “No, I don’t think this student is safe to be in the regular school setting” then it’s my understanding that the law in America today is interpreted that Every child has the right to equal educational access, even if it must be separate.
Very expensive even to attempt.
And so what happens is:
1) a problem student is identified
2) the student is taken for “mental health” or “psychiatric” or “psychological” evaluation
3) the student is referred for mandatory or voluntary ongoing treatment
Generally, it’s a relatively poorly paid , relatively inexperienced “therapist” who will be approved to meet with student weekly or less. For how long? What is being treated?
Generally, there will be a referral for psychiatric evaluation “for meds. Why?
Why? Because it would almost always be considered negligent for a therapist to not refer for psychiatric evaluation for possible meds.
And then there’s pressure on the MD to prescribe an antidepressant because most of these kids end up being described as “sad” or as “depressed.”
To not recommend an antidepressant under such circumstances is to invite a charge of negligence virtually regardless what bad outcome eventually might occur.
I could go on.
It’s an awful system, and frankly I’m a bit surprised that there aren’t more tragedies than there are, like this one.
Obviously, there are more potential factors that might contribute to any one bad outcome.
If I had a teen , I would not enroll him or her in any American school.
The shooter’s mug shot was just released. It’s…strange. Admittedly, I’m not familiar with how young teen boys are styling their hair today. But, this kid’s hair – clearly bleached or dyed – can only be properly described as strawberry blond and unusually long. It’s ‘the kind of hair one might expect to see in a mugshot of a 40-something housewife who just got caught in a DUI. As I said, it’s odd. I’m not saying the kid is trans. Maybe this is just the style. But, it’s something to be aware of.
See Not The Bee for a discussion of this.
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