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Supreme Court Unanimously Reinstates Trump to Colorado Ballot

Supreme Court Unanimously Reinstates Trump to Colorado Ballot

“Because the Constitution makes Congress, rather than the States, responsible for enforcing Section 3 against federal officeholders and candidates, we reverse.”

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The U.S. Supreme Court issued its Opinion in the challenge to the Colorado Supreme Court’s decision to remove Donald Trump from the primary ballot. The primary election in Colorado is tomorrow, March 5, which likely dictated the timing of the Opinion.

In a Per Curiam (meaning, in the name of the Court) ruling, Trump stays on the ballot. There were no dissents. The three liberal Justices issued a separate opinion concurring in the judgment – meaning they agreed with the result. More will be added to this post after I have time to digest what just went down, but here is the opening of the Opinion:

A group of Colorado voters contends that Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution prohibits former President Donald J. Trump, who seeks the Presidential nomination of the Republican Party in this year’s election, from becoming President again. The Colorado Supreme Court agreed with that contention. It ordered the Colorado secretary of state to exclude the former President from the Republican primary ballot in the State and to disregard any write-in votes that Colorado voters might cast for him.

Former President Trump challenges that decision on several grounds. Because the Constitution makes Congress, rather than the States, responsible for enforcing Section 3 against federal officeholders and candidates, we reverse.

More to Follow

This decision should put an end to ALL state attempts to remove Trump from the ballot based on alleged participation in an insurrection. It also seems to preclude the federal courts from doing the same. It’s up to Congress.

More from the Opinion:

This case raises the question whether the States, in addition to Congress, may also enforce Section 3. We conclude that States may disqualify persons holding or attempting to hold state office. But States have no power under the Constitution to enforce Section 3 with respect to federal offices, especially the Presidency….

As an initial matter, not even the respondents contend that the Constitution authorizes States to somehow remove sitting federal officeholders who may be violating Section 3. Such a power would flout the principle that “the Constitution guarantees ‘the entire independence of the General Government from any control by the respective States.’” ….

The respondents nonetheless maintain that States may enforce Section 3 against candidates for federal office. But the text of the Fourteenth Amendment, on its face, does not affirmatively delegate such a power to the States. The terms of the Amendment speak only to enforcement by Congress, which enjoys power to enforce the Amendment through legislation pursuant to Section 5…..

The text of Section 3 reinforces these conclusions. Its final sentence empowers Congress to “remove” any Section 3 “disability” by a two-thirds vote of each house. The text imposes no limits on that power, and Congress may exercise it any time, as the respondents concede….

Conflicting state outcomes concerning the same candidate could result not just from differing views of the merits, but from variations in state law governing the proceedings that are necessary to make Section 3 disqualification determinations. ….

The disruption would be all the more acute—and could nullify the votes of millions and change the election result—if Section 3 enforcement were attempted after the Nation has voted. Nothing in the Constitution requires that we endure such chaos—arriving at any time or different times, up to and perhaps beyond the Inauguration…..

For the reasons given, responsibility for enforcing Section 3 against federal officeholders and candidates rests with Congress and not the States. The judgment of the Colorado Supreme Court therefore cannot stand.

All nine Members of the Court agree with that result. Our colleagues writing separately further agree with many of the reasons this opinion provides for reaching it. See post, Part I (joint opinion of SOTOMAYOR, KAGAN, and JACKSON, JJ.); see also post, p. 1 (opinion of BARRETT, J.). So far as we can tell, they object only to our taking into account the distinctive way Section 3 works and the fact that Section 5 vests in Congress the power to enforce it. These are not the only reasons the States lack power to enforce this particular constitutional provision with respect to federal offices. But they are important ones, and it is the combination of all the reasons set forth in this opinion—not, as some of our colleagues would have it, just one particular rationale—that resolves this case. In our view, each of these reasons is necessary to provide a complete explanation for the judgment the Court unanimously reaches.

Barrett concurring opinion:

I join Parts I and II–B of the Court’s opinion. I agree that States lack the power to enforce Section 3 against Presidential candidates. That principle is sufficient to resolve this case, and I would decide no more than that. This suit was brought by Colorado voters under state law in state court. It does not require us to address the complicated question whether federal legislation is the exclusive vehicle through which Section 3 can be enforced.

The majority’s choice of a different path leaves the remaining Justices with a choice of how to respond. In my judgment, this is not the time to amplify disagreement with stridency. The Court has settled a politically charged issue in the volatile season of a Presidential election. Particularly in this circumstance, writings on the Court should turn the national temperature down, not up. For present purposes, our differences are far less important than our unanimity: All nine Justices agree on the outcome of this case. That is the message Americans should take home.

From the Sotomayor (joined by Kagan and Jackson) concurring opinion, something similar to Barrett’s view that the Court didn’t need to decide as much as it did:

In this case, the Court must decide whether Colorado may keep a Presidential candidate off the ballot on the ground that he is an oathbreaking insurrectionist and thus disqualified from holding federal office under Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment. Allowing Colorado to do so would, we agree, create a chaotic state-by-state patchwork, at odds with our Nation’s federalism principles. That is enough to resolve this case. Yet the majority goes further. Even though “[a]ll nine Members of the Court” agree that this independent and sufficient rationale resolves this case, five Justices go on. They decide novel constitutional questions to insulate this Court and petitioner from future controversy. Ante, at 13. Although only an individual State’s action is at issue here, the majority opines on which federal actors can enforce Section 3, and how they must do so. The majority announces that a disqualification for insurrection can occur only when Congress enacts a particular kind of legislation pursuant to Section 5 of the Fourteenth Amendment. In doing so, the majority shuts the door on other potential means of federal enforcement. We cannot join an opinion that decides momentous and difficult issues unnecessarily, and we therefore concur only in the judgment….

Today, the majority goes beyond the necessities of this case to limit how Section 3 can bar an oathbreaking insurrectionist from becoming President. Although we agree that Colorado cannot enforce Section 3, we protest the majority’s effort to use this case to define the limits of federal enforcement of that provision. Because we would decide only the issue before us, we concur only in the judgment.

The Colorado Secretary of State says SCOTUS stripped the state of enforcement power – but it never had that power to begin with.

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Yippee

God bless America, and woe upon treasonous bastards!

Fat_Freddys_Cat | March 4, 2024 at 10:11 am

This is the predictable part. I’m interested to see how the Dems respond. Just another one of their typical hissy fits?

    markinct in reply to Fat_Freddys_Cat. | March 4, 2024 at 10:14 am

    9-0 should preempt any court bashing.

    Should.

      fscarn in reply to markinct. | March 4, 2024 at 10:25 am

      Should, but won’t.

      Flatworm in reply to markinct. | March 4, 2024 at 11:11 am

      What I’d like to see now is a published list of all the whack jobs put forward by mainstream media outlets as “legal experts” who claimed the Colorado decision was legally sound, and that the only way it would lose would be a show of naked partisanship on the part of the conservative justices.

      Well, you didn’t convince a single liberal justice. Zero for three. Guess who the rabid partisans really are? Guess who the real extremists are? Guess who’s actually been working to undermine democracy and the rule of law? Guess who’s been feeding the public misinformation? I’ve got a mirror, if you need to borrow one.

      Name them, shame them, never let them forget.

        DaveGinOly in reply to Flatworm. | March 4, 2024 at 8:38 pm

        “What I’d like to see now is a published list of all the whack jobs put forward by mainstream media outlets as ‘legal experts’ who claimed the Colorado decision was legally sound, and that the only way it would lose would be a show of naked partisanship on the part of the conservative justices.”

        You mistake a feature for a bug. Phase one of this operation (largely derailed, so far) was to prevent Trump’s reelection. Phase two was alsways going to be the leveraging of the courts’ (predictable) decisions in Trump’s favor into a shitstorm over the “politicization” of the courts. The constant misinformation being directed towards the liberal audience, telling of the solemn, unsurmountable legal nature of the charges against Trump was always bushwah. The media intentionally set the stage for the backlash we’re already hearing from the Left. (The fact we’re hearing the backlash immediately helps inform us that the reaction was canned and ready to go.)

      henrybowman in reply to markinct. | March 4, 2024 at 12:57 pm

      To channel WIlliam F. Buckley, Jr., SCOTUS is standing united athwart the sill of the Overton Window, shouting “STOP!”

      divemedic in reply to markinct. | March 4, 2024 at 8:14 pm

      Keith Olbermann is already calling for SCOTUS to be dissolved.

        BierceAmbrose in reply to divemedic. | March 5, 2024 at 12:54 am

        The US Constitution can be amended; it has been many times. They don’t like how this came out, pass an amendment.

        The Feckless R’s, or any sane people involved in such issues — these are not identical groups — need to every time note that the US Constitution can be amended, and since the ERA’s failure to pass, The Progressive Project has sought to get through the courts what it couldn’t get through law.

    wendybar in reply to Fat_Freddys_Cat. | March 4, 2024 at 10:37 am

    riots tonight!!!

      AF_Chief_Master_Sgt in reply to wendybar. | March 4, 2024 at 12:04 pm

      I wonder where?

      “Democratic” Party dominated cities, or will the Amish be out in force with pitchforks and torches?

        Probably in front of the homes of the non-lefty SCOTUS judges.

          AF_Chief_Master_Sgt in reply to UJ. | March 4, 2024 at 5:55 pm

          Ahhhh. Got it.

          The Democratic Marxists will bus in the paid protestors from the cities.

          Any bets on new pre-printed signs on fresh pine handles? No hand made signs needed for this crowd.

          But not a single “Obama/Biden/Clinton” judge will be harassed. Yes, Judge Roberts, they actually exist.

    Subotai Bahadur in reply to Fat_Freddys_Cat. | March 4, 2024 at 5:50 pm

    The Left is not done and there are no limits on their response.

    Subotai Bahadur

      BierceAmbrose in reply to Subotai Bahadur. | March 5, 2024 at 12:56 am

      I wonder if their targets victims opposition will ever get this. Any “rules” are just a means to their predetermined end. When the rules don’t work, toss them, because they are wrong.

      There’s nothing superior to their impulse of the moment. Weird way to live. Uncomfortable to live with in others.

Down the leftist lawfare bs

MAGA ‘24

Leftists lied about “insurrection” ??

    AF_Chief_Master_Sgt in reply to smooth. | March 4, 2024 at 5:56 pm

    The horror!

    Milhouse in reply to smooth. | March 4, 2024 at 11:00 pm

    Well, yes, they did, but this decision doesn’t say so.

      jagibbons in reply to Milhouse. | March 5, 2024 at 8:15 am

      It can’t. There has never been a conviction, much less a legitimate charge of insurrection.

        Milhouse in reply to jagibbons. | March 5, 2024 at 8:21 am

        That’s irrelevant. No charge or conviction is necessary in order for someone to be an insurrectionist. And had Trump actually been one, then the leftists would not have been lying about him. But he isn’t one, so they have been lying.

        None of which has anything to do with this decision, which isn’t about whether Trump is one but about who gets to decide that.

          divemedic in reply to Milhouse. | March 5, 2024 at 8:53 am

          So you are positing that a person can be legally guilty of a crime and receive punishment for that crime without a conviction or even charges being filed? Just how does one determine who is to be punished for this crime?

          Juris Doctor in reply to Milhouse. | March 5, 2024 at 11:55 am

          Wrong. Just like all of your other insane pronouncements.

          starride in reply to Milhouse. | March 5, 2024 at 4:55 pm

          I disagree, the court plainly said that a claim of insurrection would be reviewed by the court and would have to follow the normal standards of actual evidence. then the court went on to show that there was a criminal statute for insurrection and they should use that.

          The Constitution empowers Congress to prescribe how
          those determinations should be made. The relevant provi-
          sion is Section 5, which enables Congress, subject of course
          to judicial review, to pass “appropriate legislation” to “en-
          force” the Fourteenth Amendment. See City of Boerne v.
          Flores, 521 U. S. 507, 536 (1997). Or as Senator Howard
          put it at the time the Amendment was framed, Section 5
          “casts upon Congress the responsibility of seeing to it, for
          the future, that all the sections of the amendment are car-
          ried out in good faith.” Cong. Globe, 39th Cong., 1st Sess.,
          at 2768.

          Instead, it is Congress that has long given effect to Sec-
          tion 3 with respect to would-be or existing federal office-
          holders. Shortly after ratification of the Amendment, Con-
          gress enacted the Enforcement Act of 1870. That Act
          authorized federal district attorneys to bring civil actions in
          federal court to remove anyone holding nonlegislative of-
          fice—federal or state—in violation of Section 3, and made
          holding or attempting to hold office in violation of Section 3
          a federal crime. §§14, 15, 16 Stat. 143–144 (repealed, 35
          Stat. 1153–1154, 62 Stat. 992–993). In the years following
          ratification, the House and Senate exercised their unique
          powers under Article I to adjudicate challenges contending
          that certain prospective or sitting Members could not take
          or retain their seats due to Section 3. See Art. I, §5, cls. 1,
          2; 1 A. Hinds, Precedents of the House of Representatives
          §§459–463, pp. 470–486 (1907). And the Confiscation Act
          of 1862, which predated Section 3, effectively provided an
          additional procedure for enforcing disqualification. That
          law made engaging in insurrection or rebellion, among
          other acts, a federal crime punishable by disqualification
          from holding office under the United States. See §§2, 3, 12
          Stat. 590. A successor to those provisions remains on the
          books today. See 18 U. S. C. §2383

          Milhouse in reply to Milhouse. | March 6, 2024 at 12:19 am

          So you are positing that a person can be legally guilty of a crime and receive punishment for that crime without a conviction or even charges being filed? Just how does one determine who is to be punished for this crime?

          A person can certainly be guilty of a crime even if nobody ever finds out about it. He can’t be punished for it without a criminal conviction, but the disqualification in 14A §3 is not a punishment.

          the court plainly said that a claim of insurrection would be reviewed by the court and would have to follow the normal standards of actual evidence.

          No, it did not say that at all. On the contrary, when describing the “patchwork” that would ensue if states could enforce it against presidential candidates (assuming for the purpose of this hypothetical, contrary to the text, that the section even applies to the presidency), it said that “Some States might allow a Section 3 challenge to succeed based on a preponderance of the evidence, while others might require a heightened showing. […] Disqualification might be possible only through criminal prosecution, as opposed to expedited civil proceedings, in particular States”. So some states might require a criminal conviction, while others might not.

          then the court went on to show that there was a criminal statute for insurrection and they should use that

          No, it didn’t. It said there used to be federal statutes enforcing 14A §3, and that these had a “successor”, in the form of §2383

          Further, the decision says explicitly that ‘Section 3 [..] bars persons from holding office after taking a qualifying oath and then engaging in insurrection or rebellion—nothing more. Any congressional legislation enforcing Section 3 must, like the Enforcement Act of 1870 and §2383, reflect “congruence and proportionality” between preventing or remedying that conduct “and the means adopted to that end.’

          But §2383 does not reflect any such congruence or proportionality. It is both overbroad in that it is not restricted to those who have taken a qualifying oath, and overnarrow in that it bars convicted insurrectionists only from appointed federal offices, not from elected office and not from state office.

          Which makes sense if we consider it not as an enforcement of the 14th amendment but as a separate criminal statute, which creates a crime and prescribes a penalty, independent of any constitutional provision. Therefore it can only bar people from those offices that Congress has the authority to bar people from. Congress can’t bar people from state office, nor from elected federal office, so the statute doesn’t attempt to do so. And of course, since the bar from office in §2383 is a criminal penalty, it requires a criminal conviction.

          The decision’s statement to the contrary is an error, which is fine since it’s dicta. It’s just a comment in passing, concerning a matter to which the court gave no thought.

          Once again I point you to the example of Alexander Stephens, who was never charged or convicted, and indeed couldn’t be because he’d been pardoned, and yet 14A §3 was written primarily with him in mind, to keep him out of Congress or state office until Congress should decide to allow him in (which it did in 1872). How does that fit with your view that a criminal conviction is required?

Odd, the NBC news banner announcing this did not mention 9-0 ruling.

    PrincetonAl in reply to Whitewall. | March 4, 2024 at 11:18 am

    Where’s my shocked face. I’m shocked they wouldn’t highlight.

    Soon the articles will focus on “none of this exonerates Trump, merely that it isn’t a matter for state jurisdiction.”

I’m amazed that so many “experts” spent all this time and energy discussing section 3 of the 14th amendment, and completely ignored section 5, which clearly states that congress is responsible to enforce the provisions. This was an easy 9-0 decision because Trump has not been convicted of insurrection. So many people are swimming in lies that they no longer can recognize the truth.

    jakebizlaw in reply to fast182. | March 4, 2024 at 12:02 pm

    But the three lefty babes refuse to relinquish their view that Section 3 can be self-executing, and the fourth babe seems to be going along with them. The three, at least, want to preserve a challenge to counting the ballots in Trump’s favor on January 6, 2025, because, you see, that’s different than what the “oath-breaking insurrectionist” (a term they use several times) sis on January 6, 2021.

      healthguyfsu in reply to jakebizlaw. | March 4, 2024 at 12:47 pm

      Calling them babes gives them credit that is most certainly not due.

      henrybowman in reply to jakebizlaw. | March 4, 2024 at 12:59 pm

      “the Court must decide whether Colorado may keep a Presidential candidate off the ballot on the ground that he is an oathbreaking insurrectionist”

      Oh! So NOW someone cares about oath-breaking?
      Let me count the ways, you Inglourious Basterds.

      Sanddog in reply to jakebizlaw. | March 4, 2024 at 2:21 pm

      “Oath-breaking insurrectionist” is being used by everyone on the left today. It’s almost as if the DNC orchestrated their response.

        Milhouse in reply to Sanddog. | March 4, 2024 at 11:04 pm

        Well, that was the grounds on which the CO court ordered him off the ballot, and that was what SCOTUS just said it couldn’t do. So the term is apposite. Note that SCOTUS did not say Trump is one, just that the CO court had said he was.

          jagibbons in reply to Milhouse. | March 5, 2024 at 8:23 am

          No federal criminal court, which would be the body to prosecute a crime on the Capitol grounds, has presided over a case charging either oath-breaking or insurrection.

          Milhouse in reply to Milhouse. | March 6, 2024 at 12:26 am

          No federal criminal court, which would be the body to prosecute a crime on the Capitol grounds, has presided over a case charging either oath-breaking or insurrection.

          True but irrelevant.

          The point here is that it is fair for the concurring opinions to use the term “oath-breaking insurrectionist”, because that is what the CO court said Trump is. Whether he actually is one is irrelevant. The whole case before SCOTUS was about whether the CO court gets to decide that, and the answer was “no” .

      BierceAmbrose in reply to jakebizlaw. | March 5, 2024 at 1:01 am

      “…the fourth babe seems to be going along with them.”

      Interesting seeing that come from Barrett, not Roberts. While Roberts is more a political animal than one might like, he seems to steer the court toward minimal interventions.

      It’s a mistake for The Opposition to look for sweeping declarations of new prerogatives from the court as The Apparatus does. The Point is: “Let’s not do this kind of thing, this way.”

        herm2416 in reply to BierceAmbrose. | March 5, 2024 at 2:34 am

        “…. Roberts is more a political animal than one might like, he seems to steer the court toward minimal interventions.”
        Like Obamacare?

          BierceAmbrose in reply to herm2416. | March 5, 2024 at 9:01 pm

          Yeah, exactly like Obamacare.

          I’m not a fan of The Supremes’ tax on, tax off schtick around Obamacare. I am a fan of the general restraint when there are other remedies.

          Repeal it, Congress. Restructure it. Address the issue that monstrosity used as a fig leaf. Eleventy-kabillion House repeal bills that everybody knows won’t get past the Senate, let alone override the inevitable veto, doesn’t count.

          Milhouse in reply to herm2416. | March 6, 2024 at 12:35 am

          I’m not a fan of The Supremes’ tax on, tax off schtick around Obamacare.

          There was no schtick. Did you read the decision? It’s very simple and reasonable. The only argument against it being a tax was that 0bama swore up and down that it wasn’t, and so did Congress. And Roberts’s decision said, “Presidents lie. Congress lies. If we went around believing everything presidents and congresses said, we’d be in a fine pickle. We’ve never taken their word for this sort of thing, and we’re not going to start now. Back in the 1940s we struck down what Congress called a ‘tax’ because it was clearly not a tax but an unconstitutional criminal penalty; now we will uphold what Congress calls an unconstitutional ‘regulation of interstate commerce’ because it is clearly a tax. It waddles and quacks like one, so it is one regardless of what Congress or the president choose to call it.”

          Conservatives ought to have applauded that decision, just for the fact that it openly called 0bama a liar.

        M Poppins in reply to BierceAmbrose. | March 5, 2024 at 7:18 pm

        Anyone who thinks that Barrett is on our side needs to get their head examined

    DaveGinOly in reply to fast182. | March 4, 2024 at 8:47 pm

    Section 5 of the amendment is in contradistinction from the 18th Amendment, which expressly gives Congress and the States concurrent authority to enforce that amendment’s provisions. A grant of concurrent jurisdiction with the States is obviously absent from the 14th Amendment. The MSM’s “legal experts” didn’t get this wrong. They purposefully lied.

      Milhouse in reply to DaveGinOly. | March 4, 2024 at 11:10 pm

      So, Dave, are you claiming that the states don’t have power to enforce the 13th, 15th, 19th, 24th, or 26th amendments?! Or the rest of the 14th?! Even as regards Section 3, are you claiming states have no power to enforce it as regards state offices?! That would contradict this decision, which says “We conclude that States may disqualify persons holding or attempting to hold state office.”

    Milhouse in reply to fast182. | March 4, 2024 at 11:03 pm

    This was an easy 9-0 decision because Trump has not been convicted of insurrection.

    That is wrong, and the decision doesn’t say that. A conviction for the crime of insurrection is unnecessary in order to disqualify a candidate under that section.

    Then again, there are many separate reasons why Trump is eligible for the presidency. That just isn’t one of them.

      Ironclaw in reply to Milhouse. | March 5, 2024 at 12:09 am

      While you’re correct that there is no mention of that issue. A mere accusation is not reason enough to take away people’s rights. If they were to take him off the ballot for Insurrection he would have to be convicted of the crime, otherwise he didn’t commit it in the eyes of the law.

        Milhouse in reply to Ironclaw. | March 5, 2024 at 7:30 am

        That is not true. There is no requirement for a conviction, and never has been. All that’s required is that whoever is supposed to make this decision believes that the person is disqualified. Nothing more than that, exactly the same way that only that entity decides whether someone is old enough, or has been a citizen long enough. The only question is who decides. And, of course, whether the clause even applies in a given case. My position is that not only did it never apply to the presidency, but nowadays it doesn’t apply to anyone because of the amnesty.

        Due process is only required to deprive someone of life, liberty, or property. Being on a ballot is none of those.

          divemedic in reply to Milhouse. | March 5, 2024 at 8:59 am

          That is ridiculous. This would mean that the person making the decision could simply decide that everyone in a certain political party, being opposed to the policies of the person making the decision, is engaged in insurrection and is thus ineligible to run against him, thereby making that person the default officeholder for life.

          M Poppins in reply to Milhouse. | March 5, 2024 at 7:19 pm

          Being on the ballot is an aspect of liberty – being removed from it is the absence of liberty.

          Milhouse in reply to Milhouse. | March 6, 2024 at 12:44 am

          “This would mean that the person making the decision could simply decide that everyone in a certain political party, being opposed to the policies of the person making the decision, is engaged in insurrection and is thus ineligible to run against him, thereby making that person the default officeholder for life.”

          Nobody holds office for life, regardless of whether anyone can run against them. When their term ends, they’re out of office.

          And nobody thinks a person’s rivals for an office get to decide their eligibility. The CO secretary of state is not Trump’s rival, and neither is any member of its supreme court.

          But sure, suppose the incoming House of Reps had a Dem majority and decided not to seat any Reps who had held office before Jan-6-2021 and voted against the result, it could do that. Then the excluded members could sue in the Supreme Court arguing that their disqualification was invalid.

          Being on the ballot is an aspect of liberty – being removed from it is the absence of liberty.

          I don’t think so. I think being deprived of liberty, for the purpose of the 5th and 14th amendment, means literally being locked up. I don’t believe there is any constitutional right to be on a ballot.

      fast182 in reply to Milhouse. | March 6, 2024 at 5:20 pm

      The decision says “For the reasons given, responsibility for enforcing Section 3 against federal officeholders and candidates rests with Congress and not the States.”

      It earlier identifies “18 U.S. Code § 2383 – Rebellion or insurrection” as “successor to” the original provisions allowing for civil proceedings that were passed by congress in 1870 to enforce Section 3.

      I’m sure that many are looking for an alternate way for congress to exclude Trump from the ballot, or from assuming office, but this decision seems to say that the only way to execute execute section 3 is by charging him under 18 U.S. Code § 2383.

        Milhouse in reply to fast182. | March 8, 2024 at 3:15 am

        No, it is not saying that at all.

          fast182 in reply to Milhouse. | March 8, 2024 at 3:02 pm

          Those were direct quotes from the decision. Enforcement of article 3 rests with congress. Period. Congress has passed a law, so it’s the only means of enforcement, until congress acts again. How is that wrong? It’s an honest question.

E Howard Hunt | March 4, 2024 at 10:22 am

A terrible fault in our system is that judges who flagrantly violate their oaths are never brought to book. This, more than anything else, accounts for the common man’s disdain for the legal system.

A wise and knowledgeable man told me years ago, in Massachusetts at least, that nobody was appointed to the judiciary that the political class was unable to extort.

And EXACTLY as predicted, the 3 liberal hacks wrote their own ‘concurring’ opinion whining that the majority basically closed down all further avenues for liberal hacks in robes to try and remove Trump before November.

The Gentle Grizzly | March 4, 2024 at 10:28 am

I wonder what the ladies on The Spew will have to say about this? I imagine Whoopi will call out her “sistah” for “selling out”.

“The three liberal Justices issued a separate opinion concurring in the judgment”

The AA contingent checks in with the predicable “But . . .”

Has anyone seen a concurring opinion in a decision that was written ‘per curiam?’ Very weird, I think.

    jakebizlaw in reply to TargaGTS. | March 4, 2024 at 12:09 pm

    Quite unusual, at least. The split between the men and women is clear and Barrett alludes to the tension behind the curtain.

Juris Doctor | March 4, 2024 at 10:32 am

I distinctly recall Milhouse adamantly insisting that section 5 didn’t matter. All I can say to that after a 9-0 decision is LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

    steves59 in reply to Juris Doctor. | March 4, 2024 at 11:31 am

    Poor Milhouse.
    Often wrong, always pedantic, never in doubt.

      alaskabob in reply to steves59. | March 4, 2024 at 4:57 pm

      I differ. One has to understand perspective. Milhouse is bound to The Law. It is part of his life, his persona, his beliefs. Laws provide structure to society and a basis for civilization. They are a structure for daily life. But they can also be too rigid and sometimes totally wrong. Sometimes it hard to step outside of The Law.

        AF_Chief_Master_Sgt in reply to alaskabob. | March 4, 2024 at 5:59 pm

        “The Law is a ass.”

        DaveGinOly in reply to alaskabob. | March 4, 2024 at 8:53 pm

        True, but in this situation SCOTUS is right, and totally within the law. How anyone could read the 14th Amendment’s section 5 as conferring concurrent jurisdiction upon the States over the amendment’s subject matter is beyond me. The 18th Amendment shows perfectly well that when an amendment to the federal Constitution is meant to grant subject matter jurisdiction to the States, that grant must be expressed and can’t be merely implied.

          Milhouse in reply to DaveGinOly. | March 4, 2024 at 11:14 pm

          So you claim that the states don’t have power to enforce the 13th, 15th, 19th, 24th, or 26th amendments?! Or the rest of the 14th?! Even as regards Section 3, are you claiming states have no power to enforce it as regards state offices?! That would contradict this decision, which says “We conclude that States may disqualify persons holding or attempting to hold state office.”

    AF_Chief_Master_Sgt in reply to Juris Doctor. | March 4, 2024 at 12:08 pm

    House is a moron who believes everything he spews. He’s an avowed Democrat who will immediately deny it when challenged.

    There are times when he states reasonable and articulate comments, but like a broken clock, is only correct twice a day.

    Captain Pedantry will ride in on his high horse shortly, call me a liar, a slanderer, and all kinds of other nonsense.

      That’s because you are a liar and a slanderer. You know very well that I am not an “avowed Democrat” or any other kind of Democrat. And yet you persist in repeating this vile slander because you lack any regard for the truth. You and your demonic friend worship the Prince of Lies.

        AF_Chief_Master_Sgt in reply to Milhouse. | March 4, 2024 at 11:31 pm

        Maybe so. Maybe not. But if so, it’s mainly because he’s smarter and better looking than you.

        AF_Chief_Master_Sgt in reply to Milhouse. | March 4, 2024 at 11:40 pm

        Slander?

        I don’t believe you know what that word means.

        How can someone make false and damaging statements about a make believe person?

        You are nothing but an avatar on these pages. A profile, an anonymous entity that is not a living being that can be identified to anyone who is a sentient being.

        Is an opinion about a faceless avatar not the very basis of free speech?

        And speaking of slander, you have made some baseless statements about many people here, but none of them have bandied about the word slander.

        May I suggest that you go bury your head in those dust laden tomes where you seek your egghead pronouncements and obscure control freak level commentary?

        Fucking Democrat.

        divemedic in reply to Milhouse. | March 5, 2024 at 9:06 am

        As you point out earlier, there is no requirement for due process in calling someone “insurrectionist,” meaning that the same applies to being called a “Democrat.”

        There is no requirement for a conviction, and never has been. All that’s required is that whoever is supposed to make this decision believes that the person is, in fact, a Democrat.

        Slander requires four prongs:
        1 The statement is untrue
        2 The person uttering the statement knows it to be untrue
        3 The person made the statement with a purpose of malice
        4 The target of the slander’s reputation in the community was damaged by the slander

        It’s hard to see how anyone calling you a Democrat could harm your reputation to a greater degree than your own statements already have.

          AF_Chief_Master_Sgt in reply to divemedic. | March 5, 2024 at 10:28 am

          The defense rests! Thank you counselor!

          https://youtu.be/KYOKZelFhZ4?si=wGeqXu4N-OcVoew5

          Milhouse in reply to divemedic. | March 6, 2024 at 12:50 am

          Falsely calling someone an “insurrectionist” is slander. And so is falsely calling someone a “Democrat”.

          The elements of slander are as you stated. And all four are fulfilled.
          The statement is untrue. I am not a Democrat, and have never said I was one. On the contrary, I have repeatedly denied it. Both Azathoth and AF know this, and yet they repeatedly claim that I “admitted” to being a Democrat, for no other reason than that they hate me. And in decent society in general, and this community in particular, being called a Democrat is defamation per se.

From the opinion:

Section 3 of the Amendment likewise restricts state au-
tonomy, but through different means. It was designed to
help ensure an enduring Union by preventing former Con-
federates from returning to power in the aftermath of the
Civil War. See, e.g., Cong. Globe, 39th Cong., 1st Sess.,
2544 (1866) (statement of Rep. Stevens, warning that with-
out appropriate constitutional reforms “yelling secession-
ists and hissing copperheads”
would take seats in the
House); id., at 2768 (statement of Sen. Howard, lamenting
prospect of a “State Legislature . . . made up entirely of dis-
loyal elements” absent a disqualification provision).

By the way, those “hissing copperheads” were anti-war Democrats in the North, who called it “Lincoln’s War” and would have been happy to let slavery continue to stop the war.

I was one of 676 D.C. Republicans who voted for the Donald, in yesterday’s primary. I had a feeling that Haley would prevail, and, I was disappointed to be proven right. These people just don’t get it, at all. They don’t understand that every single Republican needs to get behind President Trump, 110%, now. We need a unified front supporting the most lawlessly persecuted and sabotaged GOP President/candidate in U.S. history.

The D.C. Swamp corrupts all, and, yesterday’s primary result is more proof of that fact.

    Olinser in reply to guyjones. | March 4, 2024 at 10:44 am

    The fact that the ONLY place that has voted for Haley was the DC swamp tells you everything you need to know about who Haley’s ‘base’ really is.

    Paula in reply to guyjones. | March 4, 2024 at 10:53 am

    The very shady, Anti-Israeli Nikki Haley dancing gayly, “The DC swamp loves me!”

      jakebizlaw in reply to Paula. | March 4, 2024 at 12:14 pm

      How is she anti-Israeli? She was solid at the U.N., admittedly under Trump’s authority. (And I do want her to cease and desist now).

    You are correct that Trump needs all the support that he can get.

    As a resident of Crook County, the only meaningful opportunity for me to select a local or state candidate is voting as a democrat in the primary.

    I decided to vote Trump to show my support.

    henrybowman in reply to guyjones. | March 4, 2024 at 1:04 pm

    “They don’t understand that every single Republican needs to get behind President Trump, 110%, now.”

    Does DC have an open primary? We already know that there are no Haley fans more enthusiastic than crossover Democrat voters.

      guyjones in reply to henrybowman. | March 4, 2024 at 1:10 pm

      No, it’s a GOP-only, closed primary. Making the result a pure distillation and representation of the stupidity and corruption of the D.C. swamp.

      BierceAmbrose in reply to henrybowman. | March 5, 2024 at 1:06 am

      “Does DC have an open primary?”

      Clearly not, or she’d have gotten a few 10,000s more votes.

    gonzotx in reply to guyjones. | March 4, 2024 at 3:39 pm

    They weren’t Republicans really

      Milhouse in reply to gonzotx. | March 4, 2024 at 11:20 pm

      Why would someone who isn’t a Republican register to vote in R primaries in DC, where they don’t matter at all? I understand doing so in a place where the R primary matters, but not DC.

      Unless registering R gives easier access to jobs with the local board of elections, as it does in NYC.

The Supreme Court ruled on Monday that “I don’t like somebody” is not a sufficient reason to remove someone from the ballot.

It’s the unanimous vote I find surprising. That’s like saying it was so obvious even the rubber stamps wouldn’t hold ink.

Reading the commentary of conservative lawyers on Twitter, it seems the biggest reason for the concurrences being written is at least three other justices – and maybe four including Barrett – would find favorably if a federal court would eventually prohibit Trump from being president. Luckily, the other five Justices seem to look dimly on that line of thought, preferring to leave this entirely in the hands of Congress and no one else.

Juris Doctor | March 4, 2024 at 11:24 am

The talking point of the day is “the court did not make a ruling on an issue they were never tasked with considering.”

Norm Eisen (norm.eisen on Threads)
@NormEisen

Yes the Supreme Court ruled for Trump based on only Congress having the power to enforce the 14th amendment

But just as important as what they did is what they didn’t do

They did NOT expressly challenge that he was an insurrectionist—& the concurrence emphasizes that finding

    jakebizlaw in reply to Juris Doctor. | March 4, 2024 at 12:16 pm

    You know that appellate courts don’t engage in fact-finding, and it wasn’t necessary to weigh the sufficiency of the evidence when the case could be resolved as a matter of law.

      TargaGTS in reply to jakebizlaw. | March 4, 2024 at 1:32 pm

      It’s interesting that you raise that point. I was listening to a podcast a couple weeks ago that had both federal criminal defense lawyers and a couple appellate lawyers who raised this point ‘fact-finding’ point with respect to the Immunity case. There seemed to be consensus if the Court was inclined to NOT dismiss the notion that presidential immunity exists in the abstract, they would need to remand the case all the way back to the District Court for fact finding on the specifics of the allegations against Trump before they could tackle if presidential immunity applies to Trump, specifically. That’s important because that would take time, something Jack Smith doesn’t have.

        PuttingOnItsShoes in reply to TargaGTS. | March 4, 2024 at 2:00 pm

        Yes, I’ve been thinking about that point independently.

        I find it very hard to believe that the Supreme Court is going to try to determine whether the actions alleged by Jack Smith are covered by immunity.

        I think the Supreme Court is most likely to rule, yes, of course, some level of immunity exists for acts that are in the outer orbit of the office’s duties. The probability is zero of the idea that the Supreme Court is gonna say: “There is zero immunity for one’s official acts in office once you leave office.”

        those were the preposterous rulings of Chuthkan and Pan. so they shot themselves in the foot by trying to hurry things up as a completely stupid ruling. If they’ve been smart, they would’ve said yes, immunity exist, but these acts don’t fall within the orbit of immunity.

        Trump has been pretty blessed with stupid enemies.

        Therefore yes, it’s going to have to be remanded all the way back to the district court to answer whether the specific allegations fall outside or inside the outer orbit, which will then be appealed all the way back up.

        This is gonna take awhile.

      Juris Doctor in reply to jakebizlaw. | March 4, 2024 at 1:54 pm

      That is incorrect. Factual records are routinely evaluated to see if the findings are plainly erroneous which they are here.

    Virginia42 in reply to Juris Doctor. | March 4, 2024 at 12:34 pm

    Well, it’s hard to challenge a faulty premise like the one that he was an insurrectionist when he clearly was not. If you’re sane, that is.

      DaveGinOly in reply to Virginia42. | March 4, 2024 at 8:59 pm

      Even if Trump is, in reality, an insurrectionist, there’s been no legal notice of that fact, i.e., he hasn’t been convicted of insurrection. So the entire episode was caused by State courts and officers who proceeded against Trump for being an insurrectionist when that was not a legally-recognizable fact.

        Milhouse in reply to DaveGinOly. | March 4, 2024 at 11:28 pm

        Conviction is not necessary. What is necessary is a determination by whoever is charged with making that decision. Which, according to this decision, is not the states.

        I would point out that, with regard to the presidency, nobody is charged with making that decision, because §3, by its own language, does not apply to the presidency so the question never arises.

        I would also point out that, with regard to congressional elections, at the time the 14A was ratified the states would never have been called on to make such a decision, because official ballots had not yet been invented, so there were no candidacies, and the first authority to deal with a person’s claim to have been elected would have been the house he claimed to have been elected to.

“Colorado should be able to bar oath-breaking insurrections from our ballot.”

Oath-breaking insurrection? Cool story, bro.
Cry harder, Jena. I suggest you take the “L” and move on to your next authoritarian project.

I’ll need to read Barrett’s concurrence more closely. Saying that Section 5 of the 14th means that only Congressional legislation can be means of enforcement raises the point of why it applies to one section and not the other. Clearly, there are a plethora of 14th Amendment cases that do not rely solely on Federal legislation and having Section 5 act differently on different sections without any clear textual distinction is… odd (not to mention other amendments or even the main body of the Constitution with similar provisions).

    ugottabekiddinme in reply to The Political Hat. | March 4, 2024 at 12:53 pm

    Congress already had acted. 18 USC Section 2383 makes “rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the US or its laws” a crime, punishable by ten years in prison and disqualification from holding any office under the US.

    Someone convicted under this statute would not be allowed on the ballot for any federal office. Plain enough.

      Ironclaw in reply to ugottabekiddinme. | March 4, 2024 at 7:28 pm

      They don’t want to be bothered with the administration of due process. It’s too much trouble

      No, Congress had not acted.

      18 USC §2383 deals with “rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the US or its laws”; that is not what 14A §3 deals with. Furthermore, 18 USC §2383 applies to anyone who does so, not only those who had previously sworn certain oaths not to. Also 18 USC §2383 does not disqualify anyone from state offices, nor from elected federal offices; that’s because Congress has no authority to do that.

      Actually the only action Congress has taken under 14A §3 is to remove the disability from “all persons” except those listed, all of whom are now long dead. So even if the section did apply to Trump and to the presidency, neither of which is true, he would still be eligible due to the Amnesty.

        Sultan in reply to Milhouse. | March 5, 2024 at 10:47 am

        I’ll defend Milhouse. He may be arrogant, and pedantic, but he is right more often than not and his insights add a lot to these discussions.

        But here he said:

        “Also 18 USC §2383 does not disqualify anyone from state offices, nor from elected federal offices; that’s because Congress has no authority to do that.”

        While 18USC2383 says:

        Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

        (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

        You decide.

          Milhouse in reply to Sultan. | March 6, 2024 at 12:55 am

          “Office under the United States” means appointed federal office. The Secretary of State is an officer under the united states, but the president, vice president, and the entire congress are not.

    DaveGinOly in reply to The Political Hat. | March 4, 2024 at 9:04 pm

    Section 5: The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

    The “article” is the 14th Article of Amendment, aka the 14th Amendment. The section applies to everything in the article that can be “enforced by appropriate legislation.” (E.g., federal civil rights law is authorized by the amendment’s section 1.) Section 3 is also “enforceable by appropriate legislation,” so it is also subject to the amendment’s requirement for enabling legislation.

Fat_Freddys_Cat | March 4, 2024 at 11:39 am

Ha, Keith Olbermann blew a gasket on X, calls for SCOTUS to be “dissolved”.

If nothing else this will be entertaining.

    AF_Chief_Master_Sgt in reply to Fat_Freddys_Cat. | March 4, 2024 at 12:13 pm

    Well, Keith can “dissolve” the SC. But he’ll need a Constitutional Amendment to do so.

    Maybe Milhouse can ride on in on his high horse and dispute that.

If both Houses of Congress are Democratic on Jan 6 2025, you can bet your bottom dollar they will disqualify the electoral votes for Trump, should Trump win. A lot could depend on whether the KY Governor gets away with appointing a Democrat to the Senate once Mitch dies.

    Azathoth in reply to The_Mew_Cat. | March 4, 2024 at 12:37 pm

    The KY legislature has made that impossible.

      Close The Fed in reply to Azathoth. | March 4, 2024 at 1:46 pm

      How so?

      The_Mew_Cat in reply to Azathoth. | March 4, 2024 at 2:18 pm

      Not exactly. The KY Legislature is changing the law to require special elections for vacancies in the US Senate, but Gov Bershear claims the KY Constitution gives him the power of appointment. I read the KY Constitution, and it is ambiguous. The section about vacancies does not mention US Senate, but does specify that vacancies in statewide offices have interim appointments by the Governor. That section was written before US Senators were elected. Whether that applies to vacancies in US Senate is anyone’s guess, as the US Constitution says:
      “When vacancies happen in the representation of any State in the Senate, the executive authority of such State shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies: Provided, That the legislature of any State may empower the executive thereof to make temporary appointments until the people fill the vacancies by election as the legislature may direct”.

        Milhouse in reply to The_Mew_Cat. | March 4, 2024 at 11:39 pm

        “When vacancies happen in the representation of any State in the Senate, the executive authority of such State shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies: Provided, That the legislature of any State may empower the executive thereof to make temporary appointments until the people fill the vacancies by election as the legislature may direct”.

        That seems pretty clear. The default is that the executive may not make temporary appointments. The state legislature can empower him to do so; that would have to be an explicit grant of power by the state legislature, not by the state constitution. Presumably KY’s legislature once granted the governor such a power; now it can withdraw that grant.

Tomorrow;s NYT headlines:

“Supreme Court Delivers Huge Blow to Federalism and Democracy”

“FBI Conducts Dawn Raids of Alito and Thomas Residences with Weapons Drawn”

MoeHowardwasright | March 4, 2024 at 12:33 pm

A nice victory today. TODAY. The immunity case is coming up next. Look for that to 8-1 / 9-0 also. Because if the President does not have immunity…well then W and Obama will be seeing court time too. Killing American citizens simply because you have determined them to be not nice is a wee bit outside Constitutional norms. I’m pretty sure Roberts will be hammering that point home to the other 8 justices. If you think today’s melt down is epic wait for this one. And I’ll bet Roberts is also using the Roe decision and its aftermath as a beacon for the justices. (The endless parading around homes, schools, restaurants that occurred to the justices. The Supremes are asserting their authority here and all 9 understand that point. FJB

    The_Mew_Cat in reply to MoeHowardwasright. | March 4, 2024 at 2:22 pm

    This case was easy. The immunity case is hard. First of all, nothing in the Constitution explicitly grants presidents, incumbent or former, any kind of immunity. Several parts of the Constitution imply some kind of immunity, but are not explicit. And coming up with a workable standard for what acts have immunity and which do not will be very hard. I suspect the Court might punt the issue to next year and relist it in hopes that it will become moot through the passage of time.

      divemedic in reply to The_Mew_Cat. | March 4, 2024 at 8:24 pm

      What about Nixon v Fitzgerald?

      DaveGinOly in reply to The_Mew_Cat. | March 4, 2024 at 9:11 pm

      The Constitution’s implied immunity is contradicted by the impeachment clause’s statement that a POTUS removed from office may “be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.” This is inconsistent with blanket immunity. (But the impeachment clause also says the president can be removed for actual crimes, implying that immunity may not apply to any criminal acts by a president.)

      Couple this with the executive’s plenary power to grant pardons (meaning he can pardon himself), I have to wonder what purpose is served by this statement in the impeachment rules. Trump should have pardoned himself before leaving office. There’s nothing to stop every president from doing this as a matter of course.

        divemedic in reply to DaveGinOly. | March 5, 2024 at 5:10 pm

        The immunity involves acts done in carrying our official duties. So a President ordering a drone strike on an American citizen in Afghanistan, thus denying him due process, would be immune from prosecution. A President accepting bribes would not be immune.

        Milhouse in reply to DaveGinOly. | March 6, 2024 at 1:00 am

        Impeachment need not be for official acts.

    Killing American citizens simply because you have determined them to be not nice is a wee bit outside Constitutional norms.

    No president has done so. Killing enemy soldiers in war is very much within the constitutional norms, and it has never been thought that possession of a US passport provides immunity from such killing.

      irishgladiator63 in reply to Milhouse. | March 5, 2024 at 12:24 pm

      Only…there was no declaration of war. And they were “enemy combatants” not soldiers.

        Milhouse in reply to irishgladiator63. | March 6, 2024 at 1:04 am

        1. There was a declaration of war. An Authorization for the Use of Military Force is a declaration of war. It’s silly to deny that.

        2. A declaration of war is not even necessary for a state of war to exist. That’s been undisputed law since the first war the newly-constituted USA ever fought, which was never declared by either side.

        3. “Combatant” is a synonym for “soldier”.

      divemedic in reply to Milhouse. | March 5, 2024 at 5:18 pm

      Wrong. President Hoover ordered General Douglas MacArthur, Major Dwight D. Eisenhower, and Major George Patton to attack and drive out a group of 6,000 homeless veterans who were camped outside of DC, demanding the pay that they were owed for their service in World War 1. Claiming that the protest was an attempt to overthrow the government, the troops attacked them, using tanks, fixed bayonets, cavalry troops, and poison gas on the crowd. A small child was killed,

      Look it up yourself- the “Bonus Army”

        Milhouse in reply to divemedic. | March 6, 2024 at 1:06 am

        If the Bonus Army was trying to overthrow the government then the order was legitimate and the killings were not murder.

        And whether that was so was a decision for the commander in chief. Congress can second-guess such a decision, but I don’t believe any court can or should.

I was watching the tv news when a nice lady read the decision.. My reaction was instant,, and from the heart,, Trump won.. after thinking a bit, I see that was wrong.. We won…( the American voters), at least for now.

That being said, Ron Coleman has an issue with the concurrence….
Here, if you are interested..
https://x.com/RonColeman/status/1764673821338976633?s=20

    Milhouse in reply to amwick. | March 4, 2024 at 11:46 pm

    That’s not a valid point. The case was about whether a state, having determined that someone is an oath-breaking insurrectionist, may bar him from a ballot. The decision is that it may not. So using the term is completely legitimate, and does not express an opinion on whether Trump is one. (Hint: He isn’t.)

Well, my main takeaway is that Civil War has been postponed until November.

TheOldZombie | March 4, 2024 at 1:05 pm

This is the proper ruling. It should never gotten this far. Colorado’s court should have struck down the suit.

Personally I don’t believe POTUS is covered at all by the amendment but looks like the court implied he was.

Let’s see how fast they try to charge him with Insurrection.

    fast182 in reply to TheOldZombie. | March 4, 2024 at 2:03 pm

    They can’t officially charge him, because then he’d be entitled to discovery and to depose witnesses under oath, which would expose that J6 was an inside job. That is the last thing the uniparty wants. We must assume that they will become increasingly desperate as we get closer to November. I fully expect another “summer of love” full of “mostly peaceful protests”.

      The_Mew_Cat in reply to fast182. | March 4, 2024 at 2:26 pm

      I think they will do something else. A lab designed H5N1 pandemic to kill Trump voters and allow Biden to hide in Delaware and not campaign, and they will hope that is enough to prevent Trump from winning. If it isn’t, and they have a Dem majority in Congress next year, they will disqualify his electoral votes. If not, they will have to do something else like nuclear war and Martial Law, but one thing they won’t do is give up.

    Milhouse in reply to TheOldZombie. | March 4, 2024 at 11:47 pm

    The amendment doesn’t cover the presidency, but the court didn’t have to reach that issue. It resolved it before it got there.

I cut cable a year ago … wish I had it today just so I could go on CNN and MSNBC and watch them cry
I was watch the decision read at 1001 and was amazed that it was
9-0… I see all the love for house

LukeHandCool | March 4, 2024 at 1:29 pm

If you want a good laugh, read Keith Olbermann’s Twitter reaction to the ruling.

When it comes to insanity, it’s Olbermann uber alles!

Appreciate the 9-0 ruling, but the points that had to be given up to get the Leftists on the court to vote for it are disapointing:
–The Presidency is not covered under the 14A. If the writers wanted it to be, they would have listed it. And yet the SC inferred it was ‘penembra’d’ in between the lines with this opinion so they could rule on (below).
–The Federal determination of ‘insurrection’ (conviction under 18 USC Section 2383) was not hammered in as the *only* current Federal law allowed to be used for this determination. This lets generations of Leftists argue in court “Yeah, he wasn’t convicted of that, but he did this and this and this, which we think qualifies.”

In short, they merely closed the door on this idiotic Leftist interpretation of the law instead of slamming it and putting a dozen nails into the frame so it never gets opened again.

    The_Mew_Cat in reply to georgfelis. | March 4, 2024 at 2:29 pm

    They are hoping the problem goes away on its own. But if Trump wins with a Dem majority in both Houses on Jan 6 next year, they will disqualify his electoral votes.

    DaveGinOly in reply to georgfelis. | March 4, 2024 at 9:20 pm

    Section 3 actually identifies two groups subject to the section. The first (in order as they appear in the section) are the offices that can’t be held by an insurrectionist, the second are those people who can be barred from office-holding should they have been insurrectionists. (Because POTUS appoints “officers,” and because he doesn’t appoint himself, that means the term doesn’t apply to a POTUS.)

    The simple explanation for why the POTUS isn’t identified in the latter category is that the amendment was written to address a very specific problem, and insofar as that problem was concerned, there were no FPOTUSes who insurrected. It was therefore unnecessary to list them in the list of persons subject to the section. I’m not saying the amendment’s section is a dead letter, I’m saying that it can only be applied today to the very same people to which it applied at the time of its ratification.

      Milhouse in reply to DaveGinOly. | March 4, 2024 at 11:58 pm

      It can’t even be applied to those, because of the Amnesty of 1872.

      But before then, it applied to anyone who had held one of the listed offices, took an oath to the constitution, and then broke it. It disqualified such people from the listed offices (which do not include the presidency), unless Congress says otherwise, which it did in 1872.

      Your explanation works for why the presidency is not listed among the officeholders who are to be disqualified. It doesn’t explain why it’s also not listed among the offices from which they are to be disqualified.

      In my opinion the reason for that is that the president is elected by the whole nation, not just by one district or one state, so if the whole nation decided it wanted Alexander Stephens to be president the framers of the 14A would have had no objection. What they wanted to prevent was Georgian insurrectionists electing him to Congress, or to a state office, or his being appointed to something.

    Milhouse in reply to georgfelis. | March 4, 2024 at 11:52 pm

    You’re right on the first point, wrong on the second. 18 USC §2383 is not relevant, and a conviction under it is neither necessary nor sufficient. A person can be disqualified without being charged or convicted under 18 USC §2383. But most people convicted under 18 USC §2383 are not disqualified under 14A §3.

Occasionally the supreme court manages a good decision. Very occasionally they manage to make a good decision that is unanimous.

Back to the drawing board to find a way to exclude DJT from the 2024 ballot.

    PersonofInterests in reply to Skip. | March 4, 2024 at 5:02 pm

    And just like that, Marxist Lunatic Donk Representative Jamie Raskin (D-MD) shows up to promise Congressional Legislation to exclude candidates NOT indicted for any impeachable offense. You may recall that he was a prominent member of the Jan. 6 committee and a former Trump impeachment manager who announced that he’s been diagnosed with Diffuse Large B Cell Lymphoma Cancer.. I’ll pray for the Cancer.

Juris Doctor | March 4, 2024 at 3:43 pm

More progressive copium!

“ITs NoT ReAlLy a UnAnImOuS DeCiSiOn!!!!”

Mark Joseph Stern @mjs_DC

If you double click where it says “JJ.” at the top, then copy and paste it, that line reads: SOTOMAYOR , J., concurring in part and dissenting in part.

And if you do a control-F search for “SOTOMAYOR , J., concurring in part and dissenting in part,” it highlights that same line.

Been waiting for Millhouse to weigh in, but I guess he’s too busy eating all that crow to comment.

PersonofInterests | March 4, 2024 at 4:54 pm

So where is Millhouse to make sense of all this for us?

Perhaps the ruling being 9-0 has motivated unusual quantities of medication and sympathetic counsel??

    You’re the one who needs medication, since I have written at least 50 times that the challenge to Trump’s eligibility is frivolous for at least six different reasons.

Whoopie goldturd must now apologize to DJT.

Juris Doctor | March 4, 2024 at 5:23 pm

The MSNBC progressives are accepting this decision with all of the grace and maturity that we have come to expect from them.

Elie Mystal@ElieNYC

Again, anybody suggesting that there is any reason to believe the court will do the right thing, at this point, is smoking something

Elie Mystal@ElieNYC

These 9 people are just making up shit as they go along, with their only North Star being: PROTECT TRUMP AT ALL COSTS

Elie Mystal@ElieNYC

If the liberals were originally dissenting and Roberts bullied them into “concurring” so stupid people can run around saying “9-0”, id really like to know what the liberals GOT in exchange for this bullshit. … cause it wasn’t immunity.

Gremlin1974 | March 4, 2024 at 6:52 pm

So it was the ruling that everyone, including the Dems, expected. They didn’t try this to win they tried this to set up a talking point for later when they start trying to stack the court or some other such nonsense.

““Because the Constitution makes Congress, rather than the States, responsible for enforcing Section 3 against federal officeholders and candidates, we reverse.”

I find this language odd. Section 5 authorizes Congress to draft enabling legislation. It does not make Congress “responsible for enforcing Section 3.” Once the enabling legislation was passed into law, enforcement became the DOJ’s responsibility, and requires a judicial, as opposed to a legislative, process.

    Milhouse in reply to DaveGinOly. | March 5, 2024 at 12:05 am

    The amendment’s language is specifically that Congress has the power to enforce it, by passing such legislation. That is the “enforcement” contemplated.

    But the decision limits that to the federal offices listed, not to state offices, even though they are covered under the exact same language. “No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State […]”

thalesofmiletus | March 5, 2024 at 7:14 am

We have a great decision. A brilliant decision. One of the best, really. Everybody says so. Nine to zero — can you believe that? Nobody’s ever had a decision like this. On something this important — for it to be unanimous? Just tremendous.

michaelharris99 | March 5, 2024 at 12:09 pm

As a lawyer, I recognize Section 5 mandated this ruling and it is for the good of the country. But in some ways, I am sad to see Georgia or Florida , for example, not being able to declare Biden an insurrectionist due to his deliberate refusal to enforce our immigration laws.

    Milhouse in reply to michaelharris99. | March 6, 2024 at 1:17 am

    Yeah, no, “insurrection” means something, and that is not it.

      drsamherman in reply to Milhouse. | March 6, 2024 at 1:45 am

      Okay, Milhouse, I am going to legitimately put on my psychiatrist/neurologist hat on here and say, “Dude, Chill…”. And, dude, chill. From my reading of this, Congress defined “Insurrection” in an 1870 law, WTF-ever citation, and it IS a criminal offense and it does indeed bar the duly convicted from holding office. So in essence, from what I understand, and even though I am not a legal practitioner (may the Almighty be Thanked for that!), there is indeed SOME law to define already how part “5” of the 14th Amendment would be thus enforced, Yes? Okay, we can agree to disagree. On to other things….

      This is, and always WAS, an onion. Layers upon layers. Let’s say DJT wins re-election. The House refuses to certify his election. The Electoral Count Act (AS AMENDED) says that EACH STATE gets ONE VOTE AS DIRECTED BY THEIR STATE LEGISLATURE for President. Okay. Put that aside. Let’s say the Senate has a similar problem with the Vice President. They vote en masse and elect a Vice President by majority vote (the current Vice President has no tie-breaking vote) and they elect a Vice President. The House still fights and fights and fights—NO PRESIDENT. Welcome to Chiquita-La-Republica. The Senate elects a Vice President, who, under the terms of the Electoral Count Act becomes Acting President UNTIL the Presidency election is resolved.

      Now say “Oy Vey”, have a glass of Vodka, and move to Uruguay like me and my family.

        Milhouse in reply to drsamherman. | March 6, 2024 at 6:21 am

        No, the 1870 Enforcement Act didn’t define “insurrection”. It was clear to all what it meant, and didn’t need defining.

        And that law, as far as I know, is no longer in effect.

        The Electoral Count Act (AS AMENDED) says that EACH STATE gets ONE VOTE AS DIRECTED BY THEIR STATE LEGISLATURE for President.

        Not true. I think you must be referring to the procedure in the constitution for what happens when nobody gets a majority of electors. That has nothing to do with the Electoral Count Act, which governs only how to count the electors’ votes in the first place.

        Senate has a similar problem with the Vice President. They vote en masse and elect a Vice President by majority vote (the current Vice President has no tie-breaking vote)

        Technically she does, but ties are impossible because the VP must be elected by a majority of the whole number of senators. Maybe that’s what you meant.

drsamherman | March 6, 2024 at 1:55 am

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I’m with Milhouse. I don’t know about the finer points of the law, but he argues the point so goddam good and passionately!!

Go Milhouse!

Can we start a pool?

The more I think about it, the more I think this ruling is a disaster and could spell the end of our country, at any time from now to far into the future. It’s entrenched a very dangerous idea, that Congress can exclude anyone it wants from running for president.

We’ve seen since 2016 that a partisan Congress can call anything it wants “treason”, “insurrection”, “high crimes and misdemeanors”. Russia Russia Russia, J6, etc. qualify now for those words, if Congress votes that way. And the Dems have 100% party discipline and enforce such interpretations.

Already we’re on the verge of having Trump disqualified nationally. All the Dems have to do is get a couple votes in the House, hold the line in the Senate via simple majority, get Biden to sign it, and Trump is OUT.

And if not this year, 4 years from now, or 8, or 12. The risk is always going to be there now. Congress excludes a presidential candidate it doesn’t like based on phony bullshit. Hey why not?

Already I bet Mike Johnson is worried. He MUST hold the line on this and stop Jamie Raskin’s clever bill to disqualify Trump. Raskin is a very clever fellow, very effective, and he’s playing for all the marbles now. What concessions will Mike Johnson have to give the left to guard against a disqualification vote on Trump? Because if the vote is held, he can’t be sure it won’t pass.

On the other hand, it didn’t matter if Colorado kept Trump off the presidential ballot. He if the election is close, he isn’t going to win Colorado anyway.