Florida School Confirms Fifth Measles Case and 11% of the Kids are Unvaccinated
A developed country like America should never have a measles case. This is horrifying.
Vaccinate your children against these deadly and contagious viruses. This is horrifying. I blame the overreaction to COVID, too.
A third-grade class at Manatee Bay Elementary School has five measles cases, and over 50 children have symptoms.
The first case happened to a child “who had not recently traveled.”
11% of the students at the school do not have their measles vaccines.
Do you know what is deadly and contagious? Measles, even if you are a very healthy person.
Then again, I also thought schools required these vaccines. Why aren’t they vigilant about the requirements?
From CBS Miami:
“We received updated information from the Florida Department of Health – Broward regarding one additional confirmed case of measles at Manatee Bay Elementary School. This brings the total number of cases to five.”
The Florida Department of Health is carrying out an epidemiological investigation surrounding the multiple cases of measles at the elementary school in Weston.
“Please note all details regarding the investigation are confidential,” the agency stated. “DOH-Broward is continuously working with all partners including Broward County Public Schools and local hospitals to identify contacts that are at risk of transmission.”
“This really has been confined to that particular area and I know people have come through the hospital but there have not been confirmed cases, just people coming in concerned,” said school board member Debbie Hixon.
The kids who have the vaccine are 98% protected from the measles. Remember, when you get a vaccine, you are helping people who cannot have the vaccine. Immunocompromised people like me cannot have the vaccine:
According to DOH-Broward, measles is highly contagious and can remain infectious in the air and on surfaces for up to two hours, with over a 90% contraction rate among susceptible contacts, including those who are immunocompromised or have not received the full series of MMR vaccinations.
DOH-Broward stated that symptoms generally begin about eight to 14 hours after exposure but can range up to 21 days. Transmission is possible four days before the rash becomes visible and four days after it appears. Additionally, in some cases, measles can result in severe outcomes, including pneumonia and encephalitis.
One pediatrician is frustrated that parents won’t vaccinate their kids because they fear misinformation.
The pediatrician should be angry at the CDC and others for their reactions to COVID:
Most children get the MMR — or measles, mumps and rubella — vaccine, but with a disease as contagious as measles, doctors say it only takes a few holdouts to fuel an outbreak. Data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows Florida among the states in which parents using a religious exemption to opt their children out of traditional childhood vaccinations is trending upward.
“Definitely, parents today are much more hesitant than ever. We actually are struggling in our pediatric practices to get kids completely immunized, to complete their series by the time they enter kindergarten because parents are scared, they’re kind of feeding into this misinformation,” said Dr. Lisa Gwynn, a pediatrician who teaches pediatrics at the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine. “It is extremely unfortunate because it’s all preventable, and the measles vaccine has been around a long time and it’s safe and effective, so the fact that we are still seeing this in modern times is really unfortunate, it’s also dangerous for the community, measles is an extremely infectious and contagious virus.”
The data is protected, especially since the affected are minors. But I also wonder how many of them are children of illegal immigrants who have no vaccine records or ability to get vaccines in their country.
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Everybody got measles when I was a kid. Since then they’ve found a vaccine that kills fewer kids than the disease.
Regarding the question of why these kids are not vaccinated:
“Overview of Manatee Bay Elementary School
The school’s minority student enrollment is 78%”
Measles can lead to encephalitis. I had a relative severely brain damaged by measles. The vaccine is a thousand times safer. Which is not to say 100 percent safer.
An vaccines can cause adverse reactions, see VARS for the 10% that are reported. I also have a friend that lost a child to a vax back in the late 90’s. His wife committed suicide because of the loss.
Do your research.
VAERS is garbage. It’s like Wikipedia in that anyone can put in anything they like, but it’s worse than Wikipedia because you don’t have anyone reversing vandalism. All the vandalism just remains. People put in false reports either because they get sick fun out of it, or for profit, e.g. lawyers who file reports so they can then sue.
Just like Andrew Wakefield, may he burn forever, who invented the entire scare about the MMR jab, and panicked millions, purely in order to create a career for himself as an “expert witness” when parents who fell for his lies would sue the vaccine manufacturers.
You should really do at least a little research into what it takes to submit affairs report. It’s a pain in the ass and the page will reset if you don’t put it in quickly enough.
Nobody’s putting in VAERS for Fun and Profit. It’s too much of a pain in the ass just put them in it’s too much of a pain in the ass just put them in the first place, doctors can’t even seem to find the time to do it and they’re supposed to.
Yes, people are putting false reports in for fun and especially for profit. Lawyers have been caught doing it.
LOL Milhouse,
Keep drinking the cool aid.
There has been no real studies on vaccine safety, hence the title of the book, Turtles All the Way Down, safety studies lack foundation. The book is well footnoted and loaded with references and studies that I give more credit to than you.
Child car seats seem to have a better record of safety testing.
There are 5 vaccines that give herd immunity according to Turtles All the Way Down.
Probably the ones kids should have,
Hib, which has low outbreaks before vaccine and disease severity is moderate, so the risk is high for your kid in my opinion.
In fact, I Hib when I was 18 months and almost died according to my mom. (before there was a vax)
Varicella (Chicken Pox), which had high outbreaks before the vaccine. Disease severity is mild, so the risk is low for kids.
Rubella, which had a low outbreak risk and is a very mild disease (except for fetuses).
Mumps which had a high out break before the vaccine and is a mild disease.
Measles which had a very high out break before the vaccine and is a mild disease.
Of course you should talk to your doctor about this. Since most kids have Measles vaxs or are likely to have Measles, there is little concern here except for the non-vax. No need to get shorts in a bundle over it. The unvaxxed will have to live with it.
Same with Fifth disease.
As for VAERS, you are clueless to the under reporting.
Sad thing is we can have a health discussion about this because of the censorship. If you watch Rand Paul latest Congressional speech or watch some of Ron Johnson’s hearings, you get a better view that True Science is being short circuited.
Mumps and Hib might be a bigger concern.
The study out of Hopkins said there was gross under reporting. I challenging u to back up ur claim. Between the medical community reports that reporting to VARs is not easy plus with MRNA vax, it was discouraged, plus the Military system being being altered, there is enough Congress reporting to validate that the garbage is it is way under reported, not that false data is there. You are way out of ur league here.
FIrst of all, it’s VAERS, not VARs or VARS, so you already don’t know what you’re talking about.
Second, the claim that it’s under-reported is pure speculation. How could anyone possibly know? We know there’s garbage in there.
Saying that the false reports are few and are outweighed by those who don’t report is exactly like those who have for decades insisted the same thing about rape reports. We’ve all heard the propaganda, that women don’t like about rape and false reports exist but are very rare, maybe 2% if that, and far outweighed by the underreporting which is the true problem. And we know that it is ideologically driven propaganda. So why should we believe it in the case of vaccines, where we know there is a very powerful and well-funded lobby against them?
It has been know for years. They have done a great job of removing content that I was researching in 20/21. I have downloaded the powerpoint presentation that was given at Hopkin. Found this at BMJ. The site is really slow (for obvious reasons)
Underreporting Vaccine Adverse Events
Peter Collignon and his colleagues do not exaggerate the problem of
adverse
event underreporting. VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System) is
the voluntary system used in the U.S. to signal vaccine side effects.
During
the 18-year period from 1990 through 2007 just 88 cases of Kawasaki
Disease in children under 5 were reported to VAERS. During the same
period
about 88 million U.S. children passed through the 0-5 age group;
consequently the incidence rate reported to VAERS was 0.10 KD cases per
100,000 person-years. (Pediatr Infect Dis J 28:943, 2009) From 1988 to
2006 the published KD incidence for U.S. children under 5 rose from 11.0
to
20.8 per 100,000 person-years. (Pediatrics 111:448, 2003. Pediatrics
112:495, 2003. Pediatr Infect Dis J 29:483, 2010) Even for infants 3-6
months old, when suspicion for vaccine adverse effects should be
especially
high, KD incidence as reported to VAERS was 0.11 while published
background rates were 23.1 (2000) and 24.6 (2006); fewer than 1 in 200 KD
cases were reported to VAERS.
It is bewildering, therefore,
to learn
that FDA and CDC officials used VAERS data to dismiss a placebo-controlled
trial that found a 5-fold KD risk associated with RotaTeq–RR=4.9; 95% CI
0.6, 239. (Pediatr Infect Dis J 28:943, 2009. 6/15/07.
) If confirmed by a larger trial, the KD
risk
associated with RotaTeq would translate to an extra 4000 U.S. cases
annually
in young children.
I know that this discussion began with
febrile
convulsions in young children given seasonal flu vaccine, but the problems
with voluntary reporting systems, underreporting of adverse events and the
way the data are used by public health officials and the vaccine industry
apply
to other vaccines and other serious clinical problems. How can public
health
officials rely on a system that reports fewer than 1% of adverse effects?
How
can they dismiss placebo-controlled trials that raise serious
possibilities of
vaccine-caused illness?
MarkSmith, your so-called “study” sounds like garbage, since it starts with and relies on the unsupported assumption that Kawasaki disease is an adverse event caused by vaccines. There’s no reason to suppose that. Therefore there’s no reason to expect a rise in VAERS reports as incidence of the disease rises.
A whole lot got chicken pox too. As the story says, where did that sudden influx come from and who are these kids? Maybe some Brandon flew around the country and dropped off like little plague bombs forcing schools to enroll them with no vaccination record? I hope people are waking up to the damage Brandon is doing to this country
No, it’s unlikely to have anything to do with that. Measles were effectively eradicated from the USA by the 1990s, and then they came back, because stupid parents were convinced by charlatans that the vaccine causes autism, and that it’s perfectly safe to just let your kid get measles.
I know a retired doctor who was a professor of paediatric medicine, who was called in to consult on a child with a strange disease that nobody could diagnose. She took one look at him and said “Measles”. None of the younger doctors had ever seen a case.
This was all long before the trickle of illegal immigration turned into a flood.
This is what happens when public health takes its credibility, piles it together, pours gasoline on it, and sets it on fire.
MMR, OPV, and dTaP have saved a whole bunch of lives.
But when the “experts” who want you to give those to your kids are still pushing isolation masks in children and telling you that COVID-19 vaccination is “safe and effective”, you’re going to realize that the “experts” are anything but. And that whatever they say is as likely to be misinformation as anything you hear anywhere else.
The largest ever COVID vaccine study, just recently published, shows that COVID side effects are rare, much rarer than from COVID infection.
See Faksova et al., COVID-19 vaccines and adverse events of special interest: A multinational Global Vaccine Data Network (GVDN) cohort study of 99 million vaccinated individuals, in the journal Vaccine 2024.
Oh, so the vaccine had fewer side effects than the disease?
But that’s not how we have ever measured the safety of a vaccine, is it?
And then there was the lack of efficacy, and the gaslighting regarding natural immunity
Actually that is exactly how we have always measured vaccines’ safety. And if this study is credible then it’s an argument for the vaccine. But (1) we have to question its credibility, (2) we have to wonder how it stacks up against all the studies that find the vaccine to be more dangerous than the disease. Yes, I know there are no such studies, but we have to ask why? Is it because the vaccine really is so much safer than the disease that no study is ever going to find otherwise, or is it because there are a ton of such studies that have been quietly shredded, lest their authors lose their careers, their livelihoods, or their lives? After what we’ve seen we can never trust the “peer-reviewed literature” again.
No. Incidence of side effects are measured against placebo, not the disease itself. Otherwise it wouldn’t be a sid
e effect, would it?
Not true. They are measured against the disease. Measuring against a placebo will only tell you whether there are side effects; it won’t tell you whether it should be approved anyway. We expect that most vaccines will have side effects; we don’t expect vaccines to be 100% safe. What interests us is whether they are safer than not using them. If a disease kills 1 person in 10,000 and the vaccine that prevents it kills 1 in 1,000,000 then it’s worth it and will be approved.
I never said anything about the efficacy side of the overall approval decision. I was stating the fact that you don’t compare a vaccine to the disease when trying to determine whether it causes side effects, you compare it to placebo, or you conduct observational studies and compare against know/expected rates. The efficacy analysis is a completely separate set of experiments.
In one you’re looking for ill effect of taking the vaccine compared to not taking the vaccine. In the other you’re looking at the reduction in the ill effects of the disease. Then you weight whether the risk of one outweighs the predicted benefits of the other.
Go back and read Zach’s original post to which I originally responded… the study which he cites does not even look at the efficacy question, it looks solely at adverse effects of the vaccine. So his assertion that the study “…shows that COVID side effects are rare, much rarer than from COVID infection…” is wrong on two counts: first the study doesn’t even consider the second half of his assertion and second that is not how vaccine safety studies are done in the first place.
Of course the ill effect of any approved vaccine will be lower than the ill effects of the disease it prevents… it should be many orders of magnitude lower, otherwise why on earth would it ever be approved?
As usual, Zach is just full of gaslighting bullcarp. And as usual you are playing semantic games in your quest to always be right.
Paul: Of course the ill effect of any approved vaccine will be lower than the ill effects of the disease it prevents… it should be many orders of magnitude lower, otherwise why on earth would it ever be approved?
And that is what the evidence shows.
Paul,
COVID infection killed more than a million Americans. That’s quite an important data point.
(1) we have to question its credibility – Why?
(2) we have to wonder how it stacks up against all the studies that find the vaccine to be more dangerous than the disease – there are lots of studies on the efficacy of the vaccines,
“or is it because there are a ton of such studies that have been quietly shredded” Really *Sigh
Zach, but that is not how we measure whether it is safe. Safety of a vaccine is measured against doing nothing at all (placebo). The efficacy of the vaccine measures how well it prevents spread of the disease or reduces adverse outcomes once the disease is contracted. The overall decision to approve or not approve a vaccine weighs those two against each other… is the reward worth the risk? My original point was that the study you cited only looks at one of those questions. Your assertion conflates the two separate questions.
Paul: Safety of a vaccine is measured against doing nothing at all (placebo).
The evidence from the recent study shows that the COVID vaccine has only rare severe side effects.
Paul: The efficacy of the vaccine measures how well it prevents spread of the disease or reduces adverse outcomes once the disease is contracted.
Evidence shows that the COVID vaccine reduces the probability of infection, and significantly reduces the probability of severe side effects, including hospitalization and death.
Paul: My original point was that the study you cited only looks at one of those questions.
The study only looked at side effects but cited multiple studies that showed the efficacy of the COVID vaccine. Yes, you have to balance the probability of side effects from the vaccine against the probability of effects from natural infection. In this case, the weight of the evidence is that vaccination is far safer than natural exposure to infection.
“Paul,
COVID infection killed more than a million Americans. That’s quite an important data point.”
For purposes of discussion, let’s take your number as fact (it’s probably not, but that is a separate conversation).
So what? The real question is whether a) the vaccine reduced the spread of the disease and b) did so without myriad side effects that made it not worth the risk.
We know that it did a piss-poor job of reducing spread and we know that it had a shit-ton of side effects. Yes, fewer adverse effects than the disease itself, but as I originally stated that is not what we’re looking for when approving a vaccine. It should have a radically lower level of adverse outcomes (as compared to placebo) coupled with a high efficacy rate.
This piece of crap ‘vaccine’ had neither.
Zachriel:
Did it? That’s what the government tells us, but none of us know it to be a fact. All we know is that more than a million people had their deaths attributed to it, but we also know that such attribution did not necessarily reflect reality. We know that a lot of people who died with the virus were classed as having died of it. We know that there was a financial incentive to count as many people as possible as having died of it. We know that there was no flu season recorded that year; that may mean the flu really didn’t strike, for various reasons, or it may mean that it did but every case of flu was written up as WuFlu. Above all, we know that the health authorities lied to us, again and again, so we can’t trust anything they tell us on this subject, and from now on we can’t really trust anything they tell us on any other subject either. Which is terribly unfortunate.
Paul: we know that it had a shit-ton of side effects
That is incorrect. COVID vaccine side effects are rare, as confirmed repeatedly, including the recent study by Faksova et al.
Paul: It should have a radically lower level of adverse outcomes (as compared to placebo)
While the side effects of the COVID vaccine are rare (compared to placebo), the proper comparison is vaccinated vs. non-vaccinated. People who were vaccinated were much less likely to have serious effects, including significant reductions in hospitalization and death.
Milhouse: That’s what the government tells us, but none of us know it to be a fact.
If you look at the count of COVID deaths vs. excess mortality, you will see that excess deaths ebb and flow as waves of COVID propagate through the population. This not only seen in U.S. statistics, but in individual states and regions, and in other countries, as well. See Paglino et al., Excess natural-cause mortality in US counties and its association with reported COVID-19 deaths, PNAS 2024.
Milhouse: it may mean that it did but every case of flu was written up as WuFlu
There’s a test for that! Hundreds of thousands of tests for influenza were conducted during 2020-21, with virtually no positives results (0.2%). Social distancing and masking is the probable reason influenza never got a foothold.
Well since the vaccine doesn’t work, and you still get sick after you take it. You’re just taking both sets of risks, not the one that you can’t avoid regardless.
Ironclaw: Well since the vaccine doesn’t work, and you still get sick after you take it.
The vaccine was very effective at preventing infection by the original variants, but less so for later variants. However, the vaccine continues to work effectively at reducing the incidence of symptomatic disease and severity of infection, including hospitalization and death. Serious vaccine side effects remain rare.
I don’t care how much you insist that it’s raining yellow.
I know better.
Was it?! That would be very odd, since the Pfizer CEO admitted under oath that it was never tested for that, and was never expected to do that, and (he claimed) was never promoted by the company as doing that.
Milhouse: That would be very odd, since the Pfizer CEO admitted under oath that it was never tested for that
The original study only considered symptomatic infection, for which the COVIC vaccine was very effective. However, studies since then have shown vaccination to offer protection to infection. Previous infection also offers protection. See, for instance, Rossi et al., Evaluation of the risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection and hospitalization in vaccinated and previously infected subjects based on real world data, Nature Scientific Reports 2023.
Lower rates of infection and lower rates of symptomatic infection implies lower rates of transmission.
The website does not function right. Data sources are questionable. I doubt that there has been follow up 99 million and it is only the “reported” cases that are being used.
On a personal level, I know a 14 year old that died, a friends daughter in here 40s that had blood clots, it trigger Bells Palasy in my brother and I know two people that now have Vertgo.
The GVDN® works closely with vaccine safety experts around the world, global health agencies, and other global non-profit health alliances. The GVDN received seeding money from the Gates Foundation, relies on research grants for specific vaccine safety monitoring projects, and is hosted by UniServices, a not-for-profit stand-alone company that is wholly owned by University of Auckland | Waipapa Taumata Rau.
In April 2021, the GVDN® received significant funding from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for project over three years, entitled Global Covid Vaccine Safety (GCoVS). In August 2022, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention granted additional funding to extend the GCoVS project by two years and expand the number of sites participating globally. The purpose of this project is to put in place a coordinated and harmonised post-introduction active surveillance infrastructure in diverse populations across the globe to assess the safety of COVID-19 vaccines. This infrastructure will be capable of responding to safety signals post-introduction of COVID-19 vaccines.
Is that based on all of those infections that likely weren’t actually SARS-COV2?
When you can’t trust those numbers, the other numbers become suspect, too.
Again, they’ve destroyed their credibility.
Somewhere in the middle of this, the effective rate of the vaccine was like .003 increase in an already not likely to die rate of 99.997% risk. The claim to say the vax was safe and effective is a stretch. The censorship to block descent is a strong indicator how this game was played. Do you understand that the vax program was managed by DOD, not CDC.
COVID vaccines from companies like Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZeneca have been linked to rare occurrences of heart, brain and blood disorders, according to the largest vaccine study to date.
The largest ever COVID vaccine study, just recently published, shows that COVID side effects are rare, much rarer than from COVID infection.
Like the flu, people get sick and die. My fathers death cert said he death was covid related but 95% of his condition for a 93 old man was heart failure stated in his 60s. It was pure BS to push the numbers and get the extra dollars. He had covid before the vax and survived for 5 after he got out of the hospital. I suspect that he died a few weeks after he got the clot shot because he had to take it to get additional medical care. He was balancing the checkbook two weeks before he died!
I read an article or heard a lecture somewhere that the correlation was pretty weak. In fact, the correlation was very high that the vax was causing adverse reactions. Doctors were not reporting for free of retribution. It has become apparent that any discent was censored.
To Funny:
Researchers from the Global Vaccine Data Network analyzed 99 million people who received jabs in eight countries and monitored for increases in 13 medical conditions, Bloomberg News reported.
The study, which was published in the journal Vaccine last week, found the vaccines were linked to a slight spike in neurological, blood and heart-related medical conditions.
Mark Smith: Somewhere in the middle of this, the effective rate of the vaccine was like .003 increase in an already not likely to die rate of 99.997% risk.
More than a million Americans died from COVID. That’s a population mortality rate of about 0.3%. That’s with vaccine availability in 2021, which in the U.S. saved hundreds of thousands of lives, and prevented millions of hospitalizations.
Mark Smith: Like the flu, people get sick and die.
The mortality rate from COVID was 10-20 times higher than the mortality rate from seasonal influenza.
Mark Smith: In fact, the correlation was very high that the vax was causing adverse reactions.
Multiple studies have shown that COVID vaccine side effects are rare. As the recent study itself notes, the study just confirms previously identified rare side effects.
“More than a million Americans died
fromwith COVID.”FIFY.
What were the ages of the people who died with Covid and what pre-existing medical conditions did they have? The vast majority of deaths attributed to Covid were folks age 70+ and/or folks with significant co morbid conditions. Younger, healthier folks were at almost no risk of death from Covid.
Tell you what, go do some research on the #of deaths for those age 18 – 55 which is the prime working age population as defined by the Fed Govt. Do the same for those age 17 and younger.
Then compare the efficacy of the vax for those incredibly low risk populations to the potential harm from the vax. Now use that data set you gathered to convince us the risk reward ratio for those individuals to get the jab made sense for their health.
More than a million Americans died from COVID. That’s a population mortality rate of about 0.3%. That’s with vaccine availability in 2021, which in the U.S. saved hundreds of thousands of lives, and prevented millions of hospitalizations.
Yea, the mortality rate went up “after” the vax. Poor response is to blame. Early treatment was key and the government policies punished those that did. My mother in law was given Remdesivir. I was warned by a doctor friend of mine that it causes kidney failure. She had stage 4 kidney disease. The doctors treating here were not concerned when I brought it up. she was dead in 3 weeks.
I have been living this for the past 4 years reading as much as I can on a daily basis.
IMO, the vax did not work. The virus was created in a Chinese lab funded by the US. I question the escape as possibly purposeful. The studies that claim the vax work did not account for all those mild cases that were not reported.
“The largest ever COVID vaccine study, just recently published, shows that COVID side effects are rare, much rarer than from COVID infection.”
Keep in mind that the vaccine isn’t given only to people who have COVID, or will certainly get COVID.. it’s given to people who don’t have COVID and may never get COVID, but now may be harmed by the vaccine. Ice that cake with the fact that in addition to the potential harm of the vaccine, its potential upside is practically negligible, and no speculator worth his salt would make that trade.
CommoChief: What were the ages of the people who died with Covid and what pre-existing medical conditions did they have?
As you suggest age and preexisting conditions were major factors in COVID mortality.
CommoChief: Then compare the efficacy of the vax for those incredibly low risk populations to the potential harm from the vax.
COVID vaccine side effects are rare, but most people who are likely susceptible to vaccine side effects are also more susceptible to serious effects from COVID infection. People with health problems should seek medical advice.
henrybowman “More than a million Americans died
fromwith COVID.”If you look at the count of COVID deaths vs. excess mortality, you will see that excess deaths ebb and flow as waves of COVID propagate through the population. This not only seen in U.S. statistics, but in individual states and regions, and in other countries, as well. See Paglino et al., Excess natural-cause mortality in US counties and its association with reported COVID-19 deaths, PNAS 2024.
bowman: Keep in mind that the vaccine isn’t given only to people who have COVID, or will certainly get COVID.. it’s given to people who don’t have COVID and may never get COVID, but now may be harmed by the vaccine.
Nearly everyone has acquired antibodies to COVID, either through vaccination or natural infection. If COVID were much less transmissible, then universal vaccination may not have been the best response. However, with measles and other highly contagious diseases, universal vaccination offers the highest probability of saving lives.
The largest Covid Study was funded by Gates.
Your child is far more likely to die in a car accident than from measles.
Will that continue to be the case if we now refrain from vaccinating kids against measels?
Measles is one of those illnesses (so-called “childhood illnesses”) where it’s more severe when it’s contracted as an adult as opposed to in childhood. Part of the problem is that people who had the vaxx as a kid and don’t get boosters are worse off than those of us who had it naturally as children.
The truth of the matter is that contracting measles in childhood is no big deal for the vast majority of children, despite all the media hysteria ginned up about it from time to time. There may be some who suffer adverse reactions to it, but they are the exception, not the rule.
One thing is certain: those who are relying on their childhood measles shot to keep them safe are lulled into a false sense of security, not realizing they ought to take boosters periodically (like they do for tetanus) if they want to maintain a level of protection.
for the vast majority of children
But not for everyone, so the Progressives must move ever onward from “this stuff is rare” to “all dangers are nonexistent everywhere!” Remember “If it saves even one child”? It’s the result of the inherent perfectionism required by Progressivism.
This isn’t correct, if you had the measles vaccine post 1967 you are vaccinated for life with a roughly 97% efficacy rate. The only people who have a risk are those who were vaccine with a different vaccine between 1963 and 1967.
As for risk to children its about 1 in 500 that die. I don’t really see the point in allowing a preventable disease
Well we could prevent the spread of STDs by testing everyone then eliminating them from the planet. Still gonna stick with your argument about disease prevention?
“Well we could prevent the spread of STDs by testing everyone then eliminating them from the planet”
Vaccination isn’t predicated on testing people for the disease is it, nor are there vaccines for many of the STD’s. I’m not familiar with the vaccines for HPV etc but in principle I don’t see why it would be a problem to vaccinate for HPV etc.
BartE,
No my guy. That’s not it at all. We can test everyone for STD to ID who has one then we get rid of those folks. Thus no more STD in the population. That fulfills the goal in your statement ‘I don’t see the point in allowing a preventable disease’. ID then eliminating those who carry the STDs fulfills the goal.
Not a particularly moral solution but it is a solution. Just as a mandatory or coerced jab for Covid was not a particularly moral solution. Maybe not equivalent but still not moral.
The bottom line is neither you, me nor anyone else has been granted authority to declare whether to ‘allow’ a preventable disease nor to determine the manner of its suppression or eradication.
Yup, when I was a kid, having measles, mumps and chicken pox were basically a right of passage kind of thing. Happened to everyone and then after you got over it, you knew you were immune.
Wasn’t really something that caused much worry except that we knew we’d be miserable while going through it; but no one worried “I could die from this” even though technically true…that was very rare.
Of course back then, kids developed robust immune systems almost from birth.
We played outside constantly, drank from water hoses, and caught the flu and/or colds pretty regularly. We also didn’t wear helmets while riding bikes and didn’t wear seat belts, paint was still made with lead and we ate fresh fruits and vegetables straight from the plants without washing them off first (yes, fruits and vegetables actually come from plants…not from a bin in the grocery store).
We watched TV for maybe an hour or two a week on Saturday morning…my favorites were Elmer Fudd shooting himself repeatedly in the face while hunting wabbits, Wile E Coyote blowing himself up and falling off cliffs, and Marvin the Martian threatening to blow up the earth with his P38 Space Mod-u-lat-or…
Then we’d go outside and pretend like we were Cowboys and Indians or soldiers shooting each other or whack each other energetically with the wooden swords our dad made for us.
Strange that I don’t recall mass school shootings or 14 year olds shooting at cops after being caught shoplifting back then even though most of us had .22 rifles and/or .410 shotguns in our bedrooms and dad’s idea of “securing” his firearms consisted of making sure the glass fronted doors on the wooden gun cabinet were closed so his guns didn’t get dusty.
I also don’t recall a single childhood friend or acquaintance back then having a food allergy, asthma, or autism.
But I digress.
I still, even in my dotage, have a very good immune system. I haven’t had a flu shot since I retired from the military over 20 years ago and I haven’t had the flu during that time either. I can’t remember the last time I had a cold and I’ve avoided the Chinese Lab Virus so far even though I wasn’t wearing a mask in public before it was cool to walk around with a naked face.
Some of that can probably be attributed to good genes, but some of it comes from just being exposed to a wide variety of nasties when I was growing up so my immune system got a lot of exercise.
But kids these days are too coddled and insulated. Their immune systems are weak because they’ve never been developed robustly; vaccination is probably a very good idea for them. They’d probably get dysentery if they ever drank from a tap, let alone from a garden hose.
My immune system didn’t get the “immune” memo, as I had chickenpox multiple times as a child, and once as an adult of about thirty. No pain just nasty itching for a few days, hence the diagnosis of chickenpox and not shingles.
You’re wrong.
It’s PU38 (pronounced Pew38) Space Modulator.
(Going from memory, but I gotta stir the pot. 😉 )
Get your facts straight!
It’s called the The Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator.
Heh.
That is not true. People who got the right vaccine as children do not need boosters. The “booster” is only for those who were vaccinated in the mid-1960s with a less-effective vaccine.
I can’t believe BartE actually got something right.
An your proof is? Try reading Turtles all the Way Down.
Probably
And if we could vaccinate against car accidents we would surely do so. We do all we reasonably can to protect people from injury in car accidents. A vaccine would certainly be something we would take, and anyone not vaccinating their children would be treated as unfit parents.
There are numerous such ‘vaccines’…seat belts, air bags, crumple zones, speed limits, etc
At one point your statement might have made sense. Then we had several years in a row with a government and all of the health professionals in scare quotes did nothing but pass disinformation and lie to us constantly, destroying any and all credibility they built up over the decades. Now if the government says a thing it’s a lie and there ain’t no proving otherwise.
The information we have on the MMR jab is from long before we caught the medical establishment lying to us. And it can be and has been independently checked multiple times. It’s solid information and should be relied on.
Unless, of course, the contents of the vaccine get quietly changed. Once upon a time, I would have considered that out of the question, but now we have to cover all our bases.
Agreed. However if they trot out some Covid Karen to tell me the sun rises in the east I will not listen to them. Those folks have burned their credibility about anything and everything from here to the end of time. They are untrustworthy b/c of their actions during Covid mania.
If y’all want me to pay attention then get someone who had the moral courage to tell the truth during Covid mania and point out the lies and distortions and tyrannical edicts being done based on sketchy at best data.
If not clear I am still a bit salty over Covid. Dragging several dozen of the worst Covid Karens to the desert and nailing them to the ‘Tree of Woe’ still has great appeal to me.
Back in the day, my kids had to have shot records before they could attend. Guess when you are deportable you don’t have that and we would want to discriminate because of DIE.
My wife handled all the kids and their shot records. Every puncture, every date they were scheduled, every time, right down the line. The Covid ‘vaccine’ has mangled so many years of good medical practice and pandemic prevention, but they never could have sold so many of the shots if they had stuck to the facts: Covid mostly kills old people and those with weak immune systems, so it makes sense for that fraction of the population to get their shots, i.e. the risks are not outweighed by the rewards. For young people otherwise, no. For children, heck no.
mRNA shots are dial-a-blocker. They were first researched as an immediate reaction to bio-warfare. Enemy releases a 99% lethal virus, which is analyzed, broken down, and mRNA sequence created to produce a counter within days. That was the hope, and still might be workable in the near future. It darned well better be, since creating deadly bugs is so easy now. If the drug companies and their actions killed this prospective treatment, they’re responsible for a big pile of bodies in the past *and* future.
Same for mine. We have too many irresponsible parents.
It’s got nothing to do with aliens. All children still need vaccinations to attend school, unless their parents claim a religious exemption. The increase is in parents falsely claiming such an exemption.
Perhaps the public health officials shouldn’t have done everything possible to destroy their own credibility.
Perhaps they shouldn’t. But this started long before that.
I have worked in three schools who did not require illegal aliens to be up to date on vaccinations. They got the same memo, but there was no enforcement.
“Falsely claiming a religious exemption” is a phrase with null semantics. If your faith in it is strong, it’s your religion. It doesn’t matter that your clergyman, or any clergyman, doesn’t preach it.
For example: Anderson v. U.S.F. Logistics (IMC), Inc., 274 F.3d 470, 475 (7th Cir. 2001) — Sincerely held religious beliefs do not need to be express tenets of a religion in order to require accommodation
The key phrase there is “sincerely held”. They’re falsely claiming the religious exemption because they do not actually believe getting the vaccine is morally wrong; they’re concerned by false medical beliefs, and only hanging it on religion because the law in their state lets them use that as an excuse.
Courts are not allowed to inquire into whether a religious belief is true, or whether it’s preached by any “recognized religion”, of which there is no such thing. But they are allowed to inquire into the claimant’s sincerity. And if they proclaim themselves to adhere to a known and readily identifiable creed, then the testimony of experts in that creed may be taken into account in determining whether their claimed belief is sincere.
More to the point, in my opinion religious schools should be allowed to refuse such exemptions, on the grounds that their faith has no objection to vaccines, so parents who claim to have such an objection must be adhering to some other faith, and their children do not belong at that school. To the best of my knowledge that is not the law in Florida; if a parent claims a religious exemption, even private religious schools must accept it and admit the child unvaccinated, thus endangering the rest of the children (both the small percentage of infections that get past the vaccine, and those who can’t be vaccinated for genuine medical reasons).
Individuals can have sincerely held beliefs outside of a particular religion as part of their freedom of conscience. Those are equally as valid as someone who attends religious services within a particular sect.
Of course they can. Who ever suggested they couldn’t? But courts are entitled to inquire into their sincerity, and if they proclaim themselves to adhere to a known and readily identifiable creed, then the testimony of experts in that creed may be taken into account in determining whether their claimed belief is sincere.
You seemed to be limiting any exception to one based on a particular religious creed. Even then there are doctrinal splits within religions and within the various sects, sometimes within the same congregation. Not everything can be solved by ‘experts’. IMO a claim of individual conscience that passes scrutiny should not be further questioned. As an example if one seeks an exemption to a draft notice by claims of being a pacifist and the record shows the person has never been in a fight we don’t need to know if he adheres to a particular religious creed.
Good luck using the phrase “safe and effective”, doctor.
Others in your profession destroyed it by misapplying it to the Covid “vaccines”, and now you (and we) have to live with that, going forward.
To enroll our daughter in Hillsborough and Charlotte county we had to have a doctor document her vaccine history and enter it into a State Database for vaccinations. She was required to have the standards or no enrollment.
https://www.floridahealth.gov/programs-and-services/immunization/children-and-adolescents/documenting-immunizations/index.html
Required Immunizations for school kids
https://www.floridahealth.gov/programs-and-services/immunization/children-and-adolescents/school-immunization-requirements/index.html
Exemptions
https://www.floridahealth.gov/programs-and-services/immunization/children-and-adolescents/immunization-exemptions/index.html
Dear state DOE: Tell me you’re stupid enough to encourage homeschooling without realizing you’re encouraging homeschooling.
This article quotes a Dr Gwynn speaking in support of the MMR Vax. How about a bit of research to tell us what Dr Gwynn’s position on Covid was? Without confirmation that she isn’t a Covid Karen wackadoodle totalitarian all we can do is speculate. She is a Pediatrician and the American Pediatric Association recommends the Covid Jab.
This is what the public health and health care professionals have done to themselves. They decided to support a draconian shutdown. They demanded vax despite evidence of risk. They went all in on support of asinine and ineffective mask and 6ft social distance requirements. They didn’t stand up and say the evidence doesn’t conclusively support these totalitarian measures. Instead they lent their professional credibility to a fraudulent endeavor that turned out to be more a sociology experiment than a healthcare issue.
I wish these professionals had displayed the moral courage to say hell no in the face of political and economic pressure. I wish they hadn’t deliberately chosen to go all in on Rona mania….but they did. Unless they can be positively ID as vigorously opposing the Covid mania or issue a detailed apology admitting their errors of judgement and failure of character then they are unfortunately guilty by association at minimum.
They trashed their own reputation. They want trust? They gonna have to humble themselves and work to earn it. No amnesty for those who refuse to admit their errors of Covid mania.
The MMR is a completely separate vaccine with decades of efficacy and safety data.
I don’t care what Karen happens to find the right time on their broken clock. Hitler also breathed air, but I won’t hold my breath in protest.
The data is only as good as the source. When our youngest had an adverse MMR reaction (fainting, blue lips), our pediatrician office refused to admit it was MMR related, and refused to submit it to VARS. We submitted it on our own, and the VARS operator told us this was a common reaction. Thus, my suspicion of vax data started decades before COVID-19 made distrust mainstream.
My daughter had a severe reaction to Hep B
I thought I was going to lose her
We are very lucky after 2 years she repaired her immune system
I had a cousin who got a severe form of polio AFTER the vaccine was out for 2 years. No, she was not vaccinated.
And her mother lost her only brother at age 13 to measles, my cousin at 16 was paralyzed from the neck down for the rest of her life.
I could never forgive her parents.
My brother, sister and I got a very mild polio prior to vaccines coming out. Can you imagine a 2,3,4, all with polio, your brother died of polio, how terrified my young mother, 22, had to be
How do you know it was MMR related? I think your doctor was probably right.
Yes, it is completely different.
But the people now pushing for it are the same people who killed their credibility with Wuhan Flu.
healthguyfsu,
Who are you arguing with in re to your (accurate) claim that the MMR is separate and has a long history of efficacy? No shit. I didn’t state otherwise. That’s not the point which is why I didn’t raise it.
The Covid Karens in the public heath community or medical practitioners who destroyed their credibility and continue to do so by refusing to admit their ideologically driven choice to embrace totalitarian means to an end during Rona mania…. eff them.
I don’t care if they tell me something I know to be true. I wouldn’t agree to follow them across the street for free beer b/c they are untrustworthy hacks who didn’t have moral courage to refuse to give in to political and economic pressure when it counted.
No amnesty for those who participated or enabled the fiasco of Covid Mania unless they ADMIT what they did was wrong, explain why it was in error, apologize humbly and willingly perform atonement.
The MMR is a completely separate vaccine with decades of efficacy and safety data.
said the dead ferret!
Nasty double whammy of illegal immigration and destroying public trust over Covid. Measles isn’t the only thing making a comeback in this country, several other nasties are increasing too which has been documented here.
Medicine gleefully and vigorously destroyed its own credibility. Good luck getting parents onboard anymore.
lefty: you whiteeee colonizers brought in alll those diseases and infected OUR native americans
lefty: any mention of the illegals coming over the borders is rac ist and you willl be in trouble
Another thing to thank Brandon and his filthy leftist regime for.
Please put the thanks where it truly belongs. On Donnie Trump. It was under his administration that most of the worst excesses and violations of our civil rights occurred. And it was Trump’s lunatic “Operation Warp Speed” program that directly lead to the Pfizer modRNA serum that was foisted upon an unsuspecting public without any proof of safety & efficacy. So thank Donnie for the utter mess he made of the pandemic response.
Was it Trump who went full fascist and tried to a mandate everybody get the stupid thing? No he made it available, and it was your choice.
To fair it was also Trump’s choice NOT to direct the DoJ to intervene on behalf of Citizens in jurisdictions where local municipal, County or State officials used the Covid mania to prevent exercise of basic liberty; freedom of worship, freedom to associate when they shut down Schools, Churches, weddings, funerals, small businesses and so on.
He could have told AG Barr to intervene and work to prevent infringement/curtailment of Constitutionally protected liberties… Trump chose not to do so and probably lost some votes in ’20 over that decision.
LoL. You Only Trumpers™ are hilarious. Never going to admit your Tinpot God was wrong on anything. He could have done a heck of a lot to curtail those “fascists” that were trampling over the Constitution in their quest to be Dictators For Life in their own little bailiwicks. But Donnie failed to do anything. He allowed the worst excesses and violations of our civil rights without protest. Without even a comment. It was all the bestest response to Trump. It was all good. Even when it wasn’t.
We haven’t developed anything in this country to be worth the title, unless you count new depths of debt and instruments of murder
We’ve let 7-MILLION largely unvaccinated people into this country. I can’t imagine why we’re starting to see previously eradicated diseases begin to flourish.
Wait until drug-resistant TB begins to spread in earnest…like it does in parts of Africa and South America, the two largest sources of migration to the US.
7? More like 10-15 new illegals
“The kids who have the vaccine are 98% protected from the measles. Remember, when you get a vaccine, you are helping people who cannot have the vaccine. Immunocompromised people like me cannot have the vaccine:”
Sorry, no.
The guilt trip is not a valid argument for vaccination. From “please take XYZ treatment … to help the community.” to “take XYZ treatment … or we exclude you from the community.” is something we experienced only just recently.
Measles vaccine is highly effective. It confers immunity to the disease. Primary reason to take it is self-interest. There was high level of uptake without mandate.
If much of the population is vaccinated, the disease dynamics change. Likely age of onset increases. If getting the disease at an older age has worse outcomes, that would drive self-interest to get vaccinated, It is also an argument for requiring an affirmative opt-out.
See Anderson and May review article in Nature, February 1982.
This is what happens when the corrupt bastards lie to everybody for years and destroy any vestige of credibility you ever had.
What measles can cause birth defects?
Rubella (German Measles, Three-Day Measles)
Rubella can cause a miscarriage or serious birth defects in a developing baby if a woman is infected while she is pregnant.
https://www.cdc.gov › rubella
Rubella (German Measles) | CDC
My girlfriend sisters mother contracted Rubella while pregnant, the child was born with legs so twisted they had to be amputated
Both legs
Pregnant women have a lot to fear from this disease the Biden Administration has thrust upon us, by letting in millions upon millions of unvaccinated peoples…
So these South American countries should have out of control birth defects. I want to see the data on that.
The largest portion of the illegals coming to America are not South American. We have large populations from Turkey, Syria, China, Haiti, Somalia, etc. that far exceed the South Americans. Look at the Government released stats on known populations of illegal immigrants released by the Border Patrol.
These South American countries vaccinate. At rates comparable to or higher than the USA.
ok/s
I’m from the pre-vaccine generation. All the mothers I knew were extremely worried about rubella, because there was always somebody pregnant in the family or extended family, and they knew what it did. They were also worried about scarlet fever, or any of the fevers that were accompanied by unusually high temperatures, because they were prone to causing brain damage in little ones.
But measles, mumps, and chicken pox were things that showed up in roughly the same grade every year, all the kids rotated in and out of class as they caught it and recovered, and none of the mothers gave it much thought. We never had arranged “contagion parties,” but only because the schoolrooms already had it handled.
I assure you, if the danger of the disease had risen even as high as “my hairdresser’s sister in Connecticut had a kid who died of the measles,” our mothers would have isolated us like bubble boys instead of putting us on the school buses day after day, year after year.
Regarding scarlet fever: the rate of incidence has gone down dramatically over the course of the 20th century. If you listen to some people, you’d be forgiven for assuming that it had to do with the wonders of vaxxes and modern medicine… except there is no vaxx for scarlet fever, and there never has been. Gee, it’s almost like improvements in nutrition and sanitation have played a not insignificant role….
Huh… how about that.
The thing is: that goes against the “OMG we’re all gonna die without vaxxes!1!!!!11! Line up and get your shots!!” narrative….
KIds died of measles, and of chicken pox. Kids died of all kinds of things that we now know how to treat. There just wasn’t anything to be done about it, so our mothers did nothing and hoped for the best.
Our mothers, or at least our grandmothers, could also remember a time when it was rare to find a family that hadn’t lost at least one child to something or other. So they were grateful that losing a child had become a rare thing, and didn’t swoon over the few times it did happen.
Kids die from eating carrots. Kids die from getting run over by trains. (both true, knew both kids) Kids drown. Kids die at 14 from a heart attack (after vax).
Cut the fear porn. The bigger problem is kids now a days having more long term health issues than these childhood diseases like asthma, autism, gut issues, trans genderism, and the list goes on.
The “Unvaxxed” is not the problem, the problem is what is being done to treat the real issues. Unvaxxed is a big fat red squirrel.
Hey, maybe fixing pronouns might help those organizations start to address the “real” problems.
Preventive care, better access to medical services have a lot to do with early generation lose of kid. Antibotics play a big role in why we live longer. Electricity also helped.
I think this is primarily from the invading population. I seem to recall being informed that the home population being vaccinated will protect them against the unvaccinated. I can also see this story being over hyped to somehow paint FL as so red and so antivax, that they are putting the entire country at risk of all sorts of diseases. Because it couldn’t possibly be from the kindly neighbors to the south and across the oceans, only the evil colonizers and occupiers spread evil diseases.
Weston Fl, is in western Broward County much of it borders the Everglades. While Florida has become a red state Broward County is still deep blue. I know Wasserman Schultz lives in Weston and the school may be in her district. Weston is a pretty wealthy area but it does have a large migrant population from south America, it has become a haven for refugees from Venezuela . I would not draw any direct conclusions at this time. I live on the east coast of Broward County. and am somewhat familiar with the area.
Broward County is still deep blue
a haven for refugees from Venezuela
Hmmmm, maybe there’s a link there……..
On our nightly news, the school has almost 1100 students, 86 are unvaccinated for measles. A sixth case was reported today
https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/florida-department-of-health-investigates-broward-countys-multiple-measles-cases/
Well, I was thinking of the link between Venezuela (communist) and leftists in Broward county.
And just FOI, all the cases are unvaccinated kids, right? Any of the vaccinated kids getting measles? A 92% vaccination rate should pretty much guarantee herd immunity, should it not?
“measles is a highly transmissible disease. So transmissible in fact that 90-95% of people must be vaccinated in order to protect the entire population, or achieve what is called herd immunity.”
https://theconversation.com/herd-immunity-and-measles-why-we-should-aim-for-100-vaccination-coverage-36868
I haven’t left the house since the U.N. started talking about Disease ‘X’ and I have already voted in the next 3 Presidential elections. Adam Schiff and Liz Warren 2036 ticket all the way baby! 😉
A developed country like America should never have a measles case.
Bullcarp, Mary. Take that progressive codswaddle elsewhere,
Because otherwise you’re claiming we weren’t a “developed” country in the 1970s. Nor the 1980s. And that’s malarkey.
That and no one owes a duty to anyone else except to refrain from deliberately harming them by deliberate action or by harming them through careless action. No one has a duty to take on even minimal risk for the benefit of another. We can and many do choose to do so voluntarily but there should never be a duty either explicit or implied for that, otherwise we end up in tyranny.
Mary is right. Now that the vaccine exists, a developed country should never get a case of measles. The fact that we do is a crying shame, and it’s all the fault of superstitious people and those who cynically invent these superstitions in the first place, now aided by all those who destroyed the medical establishment’s credibility. But the latter only get part of the blame, because that only happened recently.
it’s all the fault of superstitious people and those who cynically invent these superstitions in the first place, now aided by all those who destroyed the medical establishment’s credibility.
Sure – eye roll
I wonder if the clot shot has something to do with this. Show me the studies with dual blind tests that so unvax are the problem. You can’t because they were not done.
Our doctor suggested waiting until the kids were older and breaking up the vax so they were not getting mass dosages because she thought there was a problem with these combined vaxes.
At least we had a doctor that questioned things and too a safer course with our kids.
Broad statements in the post need to be vetted.
That’s ridiculous. This was happening long before the clot shot. We have the biggest blind test in the world, in the fact that measles disappeared from the USA, and then the anti-vaxx movement started and it came back.
Measles was almost at zero in the Netherlands before the measles shot came out.
Read the book then come and talk to me.
The measles vaccine a a great vaccine, the real infection decreases your immune response for a significant period afterwards, more respiratory infections for a period. And then there is the encephalitis and sspe, basically brain rot, a rare but fatal complication. It’s a poker hand, play your best cards.
I like your response. It required thinking instead of being brainwashed by Bill Gates or some unknown government official.
The answer is further down in your own post:
There’s your answer.
I doubt it. Vaccine records are irrelevant; if they were vaccinated but had no record of it they’d still be just as unlikely to get sick. And in most countries illegal immigrants are coming from, vaccination rates are higher than they are here.
I recommend you read Turtles All the Way Down. It makes the case that there has not been any real safety studies on the vaccines.
Car seats have had more safety studies on them/s
5 Vaccines are known to provide herd immunity.
Hib which had low occurrences before the vax but severity was moderate. ( I almost died from it when I was 18 months)
Varicella – Chicken Pox high occurrences before the vax severity is low.
Rubella low occurrences before the vax, severity is very mild, but for fetuses is serious
Mumps high occurrences before the vax. severity is mild
Measles very high occurrences before the vax. severity is mild.
The CDC warns of the severity of measles is high, but before the vax, Netherlands, Measles morality continued to fall in the second half of the 20th century to almost zero.
The stats from the CDC only include reported cases.
Sorry I double posted. First one was not showing, so I re-posted.