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Elon Musk Nominated for Nobel Peace Prize for Championing Free Speech

Elon Musk Nominated for Nobel Peace Prize for Championing Free Speech

“The multitude of tech companies Musk has founded, owns or runs, aimed at bettering societies, increasing knowledge of both earth and space, in addition to enabling communication and connectivity globally… has helped make the world a more connected and safer place”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIwLWfaAg-8

Marius Nilsen, a libertarian political figure in Norway, has nominated Elon Musk for a Nobel Peace Prize for his work defending free speech. Musk has said that his commitment to free expression is what drove him to buy Twitter/X, so this seems like an appropriate choice.

Twitter/X has definitely become more free on Musk’s watch. He has brought back numerous users who were banned from the platform under the old regime.

The New York Post reports:

Elon Musk nominated for Nobel Peace Prize for being ‘stout proponent of free speech’

Billionaire Elon Musk — whose businesses range from satellites to social media — was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize by a Norwegian lawmaker who praised the X owner as a “stout proponent for free speech.”

Marius Nilsen, a Norwegian member of parliament who is a member of the libertarian Progress Party, said he put forward Musk’s name due to his “adamant defense of dialogue, free speech and [enabling] the possibility to express one’s views” in a “continuously more polarized world.”

Nilsen also praised Musk for providing Starlink satellite internet connectivity to Ukrainian soldiers who were in dire straits following the launch of the Russian invasion of their country two years ago.

“The multitude of tech companies Musk has founded, owns or runs, aimed at bettering societies, increasing knowledge of both earth and space, in addition to enabling communication and connectivity globally… has helped make the world a more connected and safer place,” Nilsen said.

The Norwegian Nobel Committee, which decides the winner of the award from a list of several hundred nominations ever year, accepts nominations from government officials as well as people in academia.

Remember back in 2009 when Obama was given a Nobel Peace Prize for merely existing? If he deserved one then, Musk is certainly worthy of one now.

More from the Daily Mail, which broke the story:

The winner of the 2024 Nobel Peace Prize is selected by the Norwegian Nobel Committee, an anonymous group of five appointed by the country’s parliament.

Nominators are expected to submit their entries by January 31 for consideration, before a shortlist is prepared in March.

The entries are then considered in an adviser review in the summer before judges can announce the majority vote in October. A Nobel Prize award ceremony is expected to follow at the end of the year.

Mr Nilsen revealed to DailyMail.com today that he had entered Musk for his commitment to free speech and global connectivity.

His Progress Party identifies itself with classical-liberal views, espoused by the likes of John Locke and Adam Smith. Some have described the party as standing for both ‘conservative liberalism’ and ‘right-wing populism’.

That last detail should go over very well with the left, who has already tried to turn Musk into some sort of villain.

This clip of Musk talking to Joe Rogan about why he took on Twitter/X is fascinating.

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“Twitter/X has definitely become more free on Musk’s watch” Errr no, its become a cesspit of propaganda, misinformation, puts foreign govs interests above users safety, has banned journalists, and generally made a prat out of Musk. The nomination is pretty hilarious though, ill get my pop corn.

    mailman in reply to BartE. | February 21, 2024 at 12:11 pm

    You must be new to Twitter 😂😂😂

    Mind you, a cesspit Twitter full of mean things people might chose to say today is a much better Twitter than the old Twitter when only the left was allowed to say mean things 😂😂

    Paul in reply to BartE. | February 21, 2024 at 12:40 pm

    “Safety” huh? Are you one of those people who thinks “words are violence?”

      The Gentle Grizzly in reply to Paul. | February 21, 2024 at 2:19 pm

      So it silence I have been led to understand…

        thalesofmiletus in reply to The Gentle Grizzly. | February 21, 2024 at 3:20 pm

        “White silence is violence, but so is White speech.

        White people ignoring race is racism, but so is White people acknowledging race.

        White people moving into a neighborhood is bad because gentrification, but White people moving out of a neighborhood is also bad because White Flight.

        White people, just lay down and die already.”

      BobM in reply to Paul. | February 22, 2024 at 9:28 am

      I don’t have complete info on this, but I distinctly recall reading that under Old Twitter the Chinese were given data access when requested.

    Ironclaw in reply to BartE. | February 21, 2024 at 3:19 pm

    Sounds like you should have looked a couple of years ago and saw what a mess it was before Musk

      AF_Chief_Master_Sgt in reply to Ironclaw. | February 21, 2024 at 8:01 pm

      BarkE had a hard on when the left was censoring conservatives on Twitter.

      Milhouse in reply to Ironclaw. | February 22, 2024 at 6:54 am

      No, it is not the case. It’s been reported on, sure. By your fellow communists who resent the fact that they no longer control it and can’t use it like the old Pravda.

      There were fewer nazis? Do you mean people supporting Hamas and “Palestine”? Those are the nazis, and there were not fewer of them on the old Twitter. Nor did the old Twitter make any effort at all to suppress them.

      Fewer conspiracy wing nuts? Do you mean those promoting the conspiracy theory that Putin was controlling Trump, that the Trump campaign was working with Putin, and all the rest of the Russia hoax?

      Or do you mean those promoting the conspiracy theory that police are gunning for black people, that black people going peacefully about their business have to fear policemen randomly shooting them, that there is anyone who thinks black lives don’t matter, or the giant conspiracy theory known as “systemic racism”?

      There were certainly more of these on the old Twitter, and there were fewer people who dared oppose them.

        BartE in reply to Milhouse. | February 22, 2024 at 5:12 pm

        ” By your fellow communists” The fact that you resort to such language really does show how poor your point is.

        “Do you mean people supporting Hamas and “Palestine”? Those are the nazis”
        You conflating reasonable objections with Israel vs actual Nazis isn’t much of an argument is it.

        “Fewer conspiracy wing nuts? Do you mean those promoting the conspiracy theory that Putin was controlling Trump, that the Trump campaign was working with Putin, and all the rest of the Russia hoax?” The following is demonstrably true:

        1. Russian had a misinformation campaign seeking Trumps election in 2016
        2. Russia provided as much dirt as it could to the Trump campaign, which was a passive recipient of said dirt.
        3. The muller report put people in prison for obstruction into its investigation and indicted others who are now in Russia for the misinformation and election interference
        4. The Hunter Biden stories have been porky pies fed by Russian Intelligence again to attempt to weaken Biden and strengthen Trump
        5. Trump is clearly pro Putin, and comments have demonstrated that to be the case over and over again.

        Sorry Milhouse your going to have to do a lot better than pretending it was a hoax

        “Or do you mean those promoting the conspiracy theory that police are gunning for black people, that black people going peacefully about their business have to fear policemen randomly shooting them, that there is anyone who thinks black lives don’t matter, or the giant conspiracy theory known as “systemic racism”?”

        Its demonstrably the case that blacks are over represented in the crime data and its also the case that blacks are targeted more by police. ITs also the case that police in the US are prone to shooting them in the back, this has been shown time and time again. The statistics and reasoning for systemic racism have been demonstrated over and over again. The arguments against it appear to be rather vapid with responses ranging from an attempt to conflate other terms to strawman , to denial that socio economic conditions that are holdover from slavery don’t exist to acting like snowflakes when confronted with the notion that actually white people have it pretty good in the US compared to blacks.

        “There were certainly more of these on the old Twitter, and there were fewer people who dared oppose them” When you say oppose you mean people who presented falsehoods, misinformation or disinformation. I’m sorry that you want to be fooled.

        Milhouse in reply to Milhouse. | February 22, 2024 at 10:56 pm

        ” By your fellow communists” The fact that you resort to such language really does show how poor your point is.

        You mean calling things by their name?

        You conflating reasonable objections with Israel vs actual Nazis isn’t much of an argument is it.

        1. There are no reasonable objections to Israel’s existence, or to it defending itself.
        2. The “Palestinian” cause isn’t like or comparable to the nazi cause, it is literally the same cause. The Arab inhabitants of what is now Israel, who had not yet started calling themselves “Palestinian”, were literally Hitler’s allies. And when he was defeated they simply kept on trying to finish the job he started. So anyone supporting that cause is pro-nazi and deserves to be called on it.
        3. Hamas in particular is literally a nazi organization, since it is part of the Moslem Brotherhood, which was consciously patterned on the German National Socialist Workers Party.

        Russian had a misinformation campaign seeking Trumps election in 2016

        Unproven. Russia tried to cause havoc in the election; there is nothing to prove which candidate it wanted to win, but reason dictates that it preferred Clinton.

        2. Russia provided as much dirt as it could to the Trump campaign, which was a passive recipient of said dirt.

        What’s wrong with that? It neither proves Russia wanted him to win, nor does it justify the conspiracy theory that was actually promoted on Twitter (as well as by the entire Democrat Party and the FBI), that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia. (Not that there would have been anything illegal in that, had it happened.) We do know, however, that the Clinton campaign actively sought dirt on Trump from the Ukrainian government.

        The muller report put people in prison for obstruction into its investigation and indicted others who are now in Russia for the misinformation and election interference

        How do you not understand that that is a point against you, not for you. They indicted Russians who they assumed would never bother to show up in court, so they could allege anything they liked and would never have to prove it. When some of these Russians unexpectedly came to court and demanded to see the evidence against them, those charges were hastily dropped. Egg all over Muller’s face.
        As for the people put in prison, none of those charges had anything to do with the allegations against Trump. Many were process crimes. And many of those convictions were outrageous travesties that further prove how corrupt the whole investigation was, and what a giant conspiracy theory it all was. All promoted heavily on the old Twitter.

        The Hunter Biden stories have been porky pies fed by Russian Intelligence again to attempt to weaken Biden and strengthen Trump

        No conscious person could possibly believe that. Not even you, so you must be deliberately lying. I mean how can you deny the laptop’s authenticity? How can you claim Russians somehow got access to it, when it passed directly from Hunter Biden’s hand to that of the repairman, and from his to the FBI and to Guiliani?

        Trump is clearly pro Putin, and comments have demonstrated that to be the case over and over again.

        In Bizzarro World, perhaps.

        Its demonstrably the case that blacks are over represented in the crime data

        “Over represented” how? Are you claiming the data are wrong?! That they don’t really commit that many crimes?! Or are you merely pointing out the well-known fact that a much higher proportion of black people than of white ones are criminals? You can’t possibly be advancing the moronic idea that the actual percentage of crimes committed by black people should be expected to be equal to the percentage of the population that is black. Why would anyone expect that? Only if they make the equally unjustified assumption that black people cannot possibly have a higher propensity for crime than white people, and therefore statistics that show they do must be false. That is called reasoning backwards. It’s the stats that tell us what propensity for crime any given segment of the population has, not the other way around. It is impossible to have any intelligent discussion of crime in the USA without starting from the knowledge that a randomly selected sample of black people will have far more criminals in it than a similarly selected sample of white people.

        its also the case that blacks are targeted more by police

        No, it is not the case.

        ITs also the case that police in the US are prone to shooting them in the back, this has been shown time and time again

        No, it is not the case, it is a fucking evil lie, the exact equivalent of the historical blood libel against the Jews. Merely making that allegation brands one as either an evil person or one hopelessly uninformed.

        The statistics and reasoning for systemic racism have been demonstrated over and over again.

        Once again, no, they haven’t. “Systemic racism” is a myth. It is in fact communist propaganda, invented in the old USSR and propounded since then by old Soviet agents and their disciples and successors.

        If you weren’t already thoroughly discredited, this comment alone would have been enough to do it.

        Milhouse in reply to Milhouse. | February 23, 2024 at 2:35 am

        I wrote:

        the exact equivalent of the historical blood libel against the Jews.

        There’s a reason I always refer to Mohammed al Durah and Trayvon Martin as Little Saint Mohammed and Little Saint Trayvon respectively.

        Both are modern blood libels. The first is obviously directly against the Jews, just like the historical ones. The antisemitic aspect of the second one is merely inferential. I am convinced that the only reason we ever heard about the case in the first place is that when Al Sharpton heard the name “Zimmerman” he immediately thought “Joo”. Which would be a reasonable guess in NYC, or in Southern Florida, which is known as NYC’s sixth borough; in Northern Florida not so much. Had GZ gone instead by Jorge Mesa, as he could legitimately have done, there would have been no case and nobody would have heard of either him or Martin.

    thalesofmiletus in reply to BartE. | February 21, 2024 at 6:24 pm

    So there’s at least one place you won’t troll.

    That alone is a ringing endorsement of Twitter!

    steves59 in reply to BartE. | February 21, 2024 at 6:26 pm

    This post is stupid even by your usual standards, FartE.
    Define “propaganda” and “misinformation.”
    Show proof that Musk “puts foreign govs interests above users safety (sic),” and by the way, please define what the hell that even means.
    Banning journalists? LOL.
    C’mon BratE. Do better.

      BartE in reply to steves59. | February 22, 2024 at 2:25 am

      1. Twitters own self reported data is that it accepts ALL foreign requests with respect to data.
      2. Banning journalists was a very fun episode in twitters history it was well reported on.
      3. It’s also been well reported with respect to misinformation and propaganda. Organisations have reported massive spikes. My own experience supports that.

      It seems you have an issue with reality.

        Milhouse in reply to BartE. | February 22, 2024 at 6:48 am

        You forget that journalists such as Matt Taibibi have seen and published the documents, so we know how Twitter was run when the communists controlled it. We know how it deliberately suppressed opinions that the radical left found inconvenient, starting with GamerGate and through the Great Barrington doctors. We’ve seen the documents, and they confirm what we remember happening at the time.

          BartE in reply to Milhouse. | February 22, 2024 at 5:20 pm

          “You forget that journalists such as Matt Taibibi have seen and published the documents, so we know how Twitter was run when the communists controlled it.”

          Err the twitter files were an utter disaster and showed no such thing, Taibibi lost his journalistic credentials because of it having accepted cherry picked files from one biased source. He became a laughing stock

          “Great Barrington doctors” You mean the document signed by such luminaries as Mr Banana Rama and Harold Shipman. Id also point out that given the experience of Covid the notion of herd immunity is pretty thoroughly debunked.

          Milhouse in reply to Milhouse. | February 22, 2024 at 10:58 pm

          “Journalistic credentials”?! What the hell are those, and how does one lose them?

          Taibibi got the documents directly from the source, and published them so we all know exactly what was happening. You know it too, you’re just lying about it.

          Milhouse in reply to Milhouse. | February 22, 2024 at 11:05 pm

          You mean the document signed by such luminaries as Mr Banana Rama and Harold Shipman.

          I mean the Great Barrington Declaration, which proved to be right in every particular, but which was deliberately and viciously suppressed by Old Twitter.

          Nobody can doubt the credentials of the people behind it, or of thousands of genuine doctors and scientists who signed it. The fact that you or some of your friends and colleagues deliberately added fake signatures to it in order to damage it does not reflect on it. On the contrary, it only proves that you were worried enough about it to make that effort.

    CommoChief in reply to BartE. | February 21, 2024 at 6:33 pm

    You just described TikTok.

    AF_Chief_Master_Sgt in reply to BartE. | February 21, 2024 at 8:04 pm

    It must be close to election season. That’s when basement dwellers come out in droves to piss on every comment section they can.

    You do not disappoint.

    Come November, mom can stop bringing you Hot Pockets and energy drinks.

      If you consider well informed opinions with a sprinkling of facts ‘piss’ I think that says more about you than anything is. When you close yourself of yo the real world and respond with pure vitriol to alterative opinions all you are doing is demonstrating that you seem unable to have a rational and intelligent discussion which is frankly quite sad.

        Milhouse in reply to BartE. | February 22, 2024 at 6:44 am

        It’s sad that you seem to think that.

          BartE in reply to Milhouse. | February 22, 2024 at 4:46 pm

          It is sad that I think people on here could have a rational discussion. Its quite evident that many of ‘you’ are incapable of it. I haven’t a sense of what your comments are like yet, they seem a mixed bag with respect to how valid they are but at least they aren’t temper tantrums so credit where its due.

          Milhouse in reply to Milhouse. | February 22, 2024 at 11:06 pm

          We certainly have our fair share of idiots and liars here, but guess what, you’re one of them.

        henrybowman in reply to BartE. | February 22, 2024 at 2:55 pm

        If you want people to kiss your behind for your opinions, try the comment sections at Mother Jones. who have carefully sequestered themselves within their own paranoid echo chamber since US gun owners handed them their nuts by demolishing all their arguments on alt.motherjones back in 1984.

He can’t win he’s not one of them. Run the number and see how many left-wingers win.

    henrybowman in reply to 2smartforlibs. | February 21, 2024 at 4:32 pm

    “Remember back in 2009 when Obama was given a Nobel Peace Prize for merely existing?”
    And then went on to start like seven new armed conflicts.
    But it doesn’t matter, because he was the left’s Magic Negro.
    And this is why Elon Musk will never win a Nobel Peace Prize. The days of Menachem Begin are gone — the awards board are now entirely Marxists and they award only Marxists.
    Besides, aren’t you with the narrative? Free Speech promotes insurrection, not peace! Real peace is promoted by crackdowns, lockdowns, curfews, face masks, tasers, and DC gulags.

destroycommunism | February 21, 2024 at 11:45 am

uh if you take a look at who he put in charge

yes there is still a left wing bias that might INCREASE its visage as the election nears

Musk: Wait, you want me to fly to Sweden to receive only $1,000,000, and you want to pay me in Swedish Kronor?

destroycommunism | February 21, 2024 at 11:52 am

and from 09 2020 THIS GEM:

A member of the British Parliament on Tuesday announced he has nominated Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden for the Nobel Peace Prize.

“When others have resorted to violent solutions, [Biden] has argued that the best force is the force of argument,” Chris Bryant, a member of the Labour Party, told the Standard. “Because guns can stop a heart but well-placed words can change many hearts, and many hearts can change a world.”

    thalesofmiletus in reply to destroycommunism. | February 21, 2024 at 3:23 pm

    Yes, give Biden the Peace prize for enabling WWIII with his absolute incompetence. Top kek. Peace prize is already a meme.

      How precisely has biden enabled ww3

        BobM in reply to BartE. | February 22, 2024 at 9:08 am

        When Trump left office we didn’t just stop being energy independent and having a border that served as a border, we stopped being feared. Trump – according to the twitter verse – was supposedly in the pocket of foreign interests. So we elected a corrupt family leader who actually was in the pocket of foreign interests instead.

        Reagan was accused of being a warmonger because he didn’t blink at diplomatic tables, Biden blinked enuf to be talking in Morse code, Reagan ended the Cold War peacefully – and arguably in our favor – Biden stood by too busy raking in bribes, sniffing underage girls hair, and eating ice cream cones to notice the start of Cold War II.

        Trump maybe wasn’t Reagan returned, Reagan was a much nicer person I’ll admit, but he also didn’t blink when negotiating. Under Trump Putin didn’t invade his neighbors for the LOLs or threaten to go nuclear. Under Biden he has, Maybe because, heading a corrupt regime himself he saw a fellow traveler in Biden who he didn’t believe would get upset enuf to interfere as long as he personally (and his family) was making bank.

          BartE in reply to BobM. | February 22, 2024 at 4:59 pm

          “energy independent” The US wasn’t energy independent under Trump and gas drilling has risen at a huge rate under Biden

          “border that served as a border” Border policies between Trump and Biden aren’t that different, unless you count kids in cages. In fact its Republicans who are blocking meaningful reform and indeed from there own member who negotiated a very good deal.

          “we stopped being feared” Who feared Trump lol, not Putin who Trump has repeatedly shown deference and reverence for, Most international leaders treated Trump as a kind of clown. He was the laughing stock of the western world and met with groans of despair and ‘not that idiot’ when it came to actually having to work with him.

          “Trump – according to the twitter verse – was supposedly in the pocket of foreign interests” That’s demonstrably the case, Trump business’s pockets circa $8m from foreign business’s and that’s without really looking. Republicans blocked subpoenas

          “Biden blinked enuf to be talking in Morse code” What by sharing intelligence and funding Ukraine, sure Biden could have done more but Trump was actively undermining Ukraine in favour of Russia

          “Under Trump Putin didn’t invade his neighbors for the LOLs” Yeah this is just dumb, Putin invading Ukraine was a decision made despite Biden being president, your just making a massive and wild speculation without any actual reason or evidence to do so.

          “threaten to go nuclear” Yeah again this is just dumb, Russia has no intention of going nuclear its just scare tactics and it seems like it worked on the sheep didn’t it.

          “corrupt regime himself he saw a fellow traveler in Biden” Err I hate to point it out but the claims of corruption in Biden came from, in part, Russian intelligence. You at this point in time are literally being a useful idiot.

          BobM in reply to BobM. | February 23, 2024 at 11:27 am

          Barre, since reply is turned off for your latest rant below, let me respond via this instead….

          Yes, under trump we were “energy independent” for the first time since 1957. Detractors bring up the factoid that we still imported oil/gas – because of transport costs it being cheaper to import some from overseas than drive it from one coast to another – but we exported more than we imported overall. You want NO exports at all I suggest you let us build pipelines.

          Next you’ll be telling me that inflation is negligible and gas prices haven’t near doubled. Biden did as he promised his supporters, he exec ordered the heck to stop or slow down new oil/gas leases, fracking, new drilling and exploration. Today otherwise is pissing on our shoes and telling us it’s raining lemonade.

          “Kids in Cages” – that old chestnut? The original photos showing that /s atrocity /s were stock photos from during the Obama admin, you apparently have decided not to recall. Oopsies. Lying by omission is still a lie, and having to lie to argue a point is …. your MO now, is it?

          “border policies are not that different” – straight out lie. The numbers should clue you in that they are different, 10 million in 3 years is a tidal wave of illegals. But stopping building border barriers, demolishing border barriers, telling self-identified “refugees” that it’s ok to pass thru one or more safe countries in favor of claiming asylum HERE instead of elsewhere are just a few of the differences.

          “we stopped being feared” – no one fears grandpa Joe, Trump made other countries worry – from would-be antagonists to so-called Allies. For once his willingness to not be diplomatic was a feature, not a bug. Putin et Alia weren’t all adventurist and NATO countries that had not adhered to NATO treaty requirements for decades started spending more on defense rather than depending on Uncle Sucker to just cover the shortfalls.

          “8 million”? Really? That’s a lot to you or me, but chump change to Trump. One benefit of a billionaire politician is that he can’t be bought for chump change, like the few millions Biden and family have made off with in fake jobs and kickbacks.

          We can both speculate about why the World is more of a dumpster fire under Biden, but the fact is that that’s what happened.

          “Russian intelligence” – are you willfully uninformed, or you just don’t realize that that’s the case? The laptop wasn’t misinformation, it was legit, the spy letter claiming it was was deliberate misinformation intended (successfully) to impact the 2020 election. Trumps suspicion that the election was rigged may not be technically correct – in that voter fraud by voters made a difference, but “voter fraud” by Biden supporters in The Press suppressing news that made Biden look bad and extolling (true or false) anything they could gen up vs. trump certainly made a difference. Polling post election showed enuf voters turned off by late reveals of Biden corruption would have changed the results.

    henrybowman in reply to destroycommunism. | February 21, 2024 at 4:51 pm

    When socialists move in to usurp groups that make little real contribution to society or civilization, conservatives’ impulse is just to walk away and let them. As a result, the entire performative sector of society inevitably turns into a global Marxist circle jerk. It’s a huge PR loss, due to PR being low on the scale of issues actual producers care about.

      destroycommunism in reply to henrybowman. | February 21, 2024 at 7:05 pm

      the socialists are willing to use violence and the good people have allowed it

      similar to ww2 etc

      its always going to work for the bad guys until the good ones say enough

        In the US context its clearly the otherwise around, violence is statistically much more likely to be from right wing groups. This is objective fact

          Milhouse in reply to BartE. | February 22, 2024 at 6:44 am

          No, it is not. Political violence in the USA has always been almost exclusively a phenomenon of the left. And for the most part it continues that way. The Proud Boys, for instance, are a defensive organization; they represent people who are fed up with people on the right being passive victims to left-wing violence, and decided to fight back. The left’s thugs, predictably, couldn’t stand it

          BobM in reply to BartE. | February 22, 2024 at 9:21 am

          I can see why you’re bummed out by twitter/X not still being an echo chamber exclusive to The Left – I’m sure you miss that badly.

          Your typical “right wing” protest in (say) DC historically ends with volunteers picking up the litter from the Mall. I recall seeing photos of the litter trashed Mall after Lefties gathered to protest and celebrate Earth Day. There’s never a Caucasian actor playing the part of an Indian brought to tears by pollution when you need one…..

          When Left wing speakers go to campus auditoriums, the admins don’t feel the need to charge outrageous “security fees” and hire heavy security. That’s because Free Speech is currently anathema to The Left folks like yourself. But not to the typical person not of The Left.

          And the latest “Summer of Love” arsons, assaults, and flash mob five finger discount meets didn’t occur under cover of non Lefties protests, did they?

          BartE in reply to BartE. | February 22, 2024 at 5:26 pm

          @Milhouse

          “The Proud Boys, for instance, are a defensive organization” No, turning up at protests and beating people up isn’t defensive nor was Jan 6th

          Your claim is ludicrous on its face, the evidence clearly shows this. The stats show around 4% of political violence is on the left and 55% is from white supremacists. You see this pattern repeated with respect to Trumps court cases, when Trump speaks threats follow for judges, clerks, prosecutors, witnesses. The incidence of such behaviour on the left is tint compared to the right which is why you have court case after court case taking this into consideration on Trumps ability to speak .
          @Bobm

          “Your typical “right wing” protest in (say) DC historically ends with volunteers picking up the litter from the Mall.” Err no 140+ police officers were assaulted on Jan 6th, that one example alone shows you to be wrong.

          Milhouse in reply to BartE. | February 23, 2024 at 1:32 am

          The stats show around 4% of political violence is on the left and 55% is from white supremacists.

          OK, first of all, white supremacists are not on the right. They’re as likely to support Democrats as they are Republicans, they’re far more likely to support socialist policies than conservative ones, but mostly they’re sui generis. Second, they’re not really relevant, since there are so few of them. The number of white supremacists and/or neo-nazis willing to actually attend a rally for their cause, let alone commit a crime for it, numbers perhaps 250 total. Usually they can’t get more than 15 or so together at one time and place. And half the people who do show up for these things are either feds or mobies.

          The USA has a distinct shortage of white racists, and thus also of racially motivated crimes by white people, which is why there are so many hoaxes. The demand far exceeds the supply, so people have to make do. Third, what racial violence by white people does exist is seldom political. Since their issues are off the political spectrum, they do their own thing.

          So there’s no possible way they make up 55% of anything. Not only don’t they make up 55% of political violence, they don’t even make up 55% of racially motivated violence, since that’s dominated by black supremacists. Any “stats” you claim to have seen, if they exist at all, are of necessity fake.

          And yes, BobM is completely correct when he says that “Your typical “right wing” protest in (say) DC historically ends with volunteers picking up the litter from the Mall.” That is simply a fact that we all remember seeing, especially at the big TEA Party movement rallies. A lefty friend of mine from suburban Washington claimed that the big rally couldn’t possibly have had more than a few hundred people, and all reports to the contrary must be heavily faked, because he went down to the Mall and observed how clean it was. He said he knows what it looks like after every big event, so there couldn’t have been a big event there the previous day. But there was, and it was huge. And it left the place cleaner than it found it. (What mess there was, was from the left-wing counter-rally.)

          No, it’s not. Not even close.

          BartE in reply to BartE. | February 23, 2024 at 8:23 am

          @Milhouse

          “OK, first of all, white supremacists are not on the right.” Actually they are, that’s just fact by definition

          “The number of white supremacists and/or neo-nazis willing to actually attend a rally for their cause, let alone commit a crime for it, numbers perhaps 250 total.”

          This is absurd on its face given the number of groups that have the white supremacist label. circa 99 neo nazi, 130 KKK chapters etc etc The Proud boys alone is noted as having 3000 members from 2020 alone.

          “The USA has a distinct shortage of white racists, and thus also of racially motivated crimes by white people, which is why there are so many hoaxes”

          You pretending isnt much of an argument.

          “if they exist at all, are of necessity fake.”
          This is you unable to argue against the point, if you cant come up with a substantive counter then you might as well not say anything at all.

          “DC historically ends with volunteers picking up the litter from the Mall.” That is simply a fact that we all remember seeing”
          Anecdotes aren’t evidence, do better

          @Fuzzyslippers

          “No, it’s not. Not even close.” It’s objective fact, sorry.

which has a greater consequence/reward ratio,
“trust no one over 30”
or
“trust no one worth over thirty million”?

Just spit balling here, but he should send Trump as his delegate to receive it.

It’s Elon, so he’ll find a much better way to troll them.

I believe president Trump was nominated too for the Abraham Accords

If there were a Nobel WAR Prize, it would have to go to Traitor Joe.

When he took office, the Middle East was more peaceful than it had been in, well, forever, and more peace treaties were on the horizon. The Trump administration’s efforts had been working, and working quite well. Since that day, Traitor Joe, Traitor Blinken, and the rest of his administration have made a complete mess of it all, enabling our enemies while working against our friends.

The clown has NEVER been on the correct side of foreign policy.

    henrybowman in reply to ChrisPeters. | February 21, 2024 at 4:56 pm

    Or domestic policy. Or the economy, Or the environment. Or education, immigration, science, justice, liberty, or pretty much any word found in the Bill of Rights.

Nominations for non-science categories like this mean absolutely nothing, there’s a whole host of people with the ability to nominate, there’s not even an actual objective requirement that has to be met.

Even nominations in science categories are entirely political, but at least they have to have made an actual scientific achievement to qualify, even if who wins is political.

There’s zero chance Musk is going to win, this crap is basically the World Wokeness Award.

I never understand why news reports like this even exist. That someone has been nominated is not an interesting story. Anyone can be nominated, and each year hundreds of people are.

Here’s Eugene Volokh on this 19 years ago, and here he is two years later.

Good!
Musk has indeed allowed conservatives back on twitter/x
A major win for free speech

But, but, but, what if someone we’ve decided we don’t like does something we do? (We’ve already done the flip side of this one — The Lightbringer being as he said “good at killing people” is, well, just a detail.)

Normally I would say to humor the poor lefty trolls that show up here but bart deserves to be banned because ze’s whole MO is to reiterate lefty propaganda talking points as statements of facts. I don’t need a transcript from MSNBC written by the ugly creatures in the back that don’t have a face for TV.

    We’re keeping an eye on it.

    “lefty propaganda talking points as statements of facts”

    If that were the case you’d be able to actually counter the talking points, yet instead the majority of comments seem to be some variation on insults albeit with some exceptions. Its not exactly making a good case for YOUR talking points if the only thing you have in response is literally just an insult.

      healthguyfsu in reply to BartE. | February 23, 2024 at 12:58 pm

      No one is giving you the time of day or taking you seriously enough. That’s the problem with your own over-inflated sense of importance.

      All you are doing is clogging up comment sections.