Trump Ordered to Pay E. Jean Carroll $83.3 Million in Defamation Case
The jury had to determine how much Trump owed Carroll since he “was already found liable for sexually abusing Carroll, lying about it and knowing that he was lying when he denied her allegations.”
A jury has ordered former President Donald Trump to pay E. Jean Carroll $83.3 million in her defamation case against him.
The breakdown is $18.3 million in compensatory damages, and $65 million in punitive damages.
Carroll accused Trump of raping her in 1996 at the Bergdorf Goodman across from Trump Tower.
The jury had to determine how much Trump owed Carroll since he “was already found liable for sexually abusing Carroll, lying about it and knowing that he was lying when he denied her allegations.”
A jury in May already awarded $5 million to Carroll after they “found he sexually assaulted her and then defamed her.”
Lawyers claimed Trump defamed Carroll with his “mean tweets” because online trolls went after her as well:
[Trump lawyer Alina] Habba claimed that Trump shouldn’t be held responsible for the hateful messages and death threats that Carroll received after going public with sexual assault allegations against Trump.
“Ladies and gentlemen, this isn’t about President Trump and E. Jean Carroll, this is about some people in their mothers’ basements who will always be mean on social media, you can’t stop that,” the firebrand lawyer told jurors as she finished her closing arguments.
Carroll’s lawyers argued that Trump “unleashed his followers” on the “Ask E. Jean” writer, but Habba said Trump was only defending himself when he said he didn’t know Carroll and claimed she wasn’t his type when he was in office in June 2019.
Trump vows to appeal.
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This is insane. How is this justice?
It’s definitely not.
I would love to see a legal analysis of this case by LIF. Did Trump’s lawyer – Alina Habba do a good job? I’m not a lawyer but I followed the case online and I don’t think she did.
One thing I don’t understand is why Judge Kaplan would not allow the defense to present evidence to support the fact that E. Jean Carroll is a nutcase and a liar and that Trump was innocent of the allegations. For example, Trump could not play the Anderson Cooper interview in which Carroll said “Most people view rape as sexy” to which she added, “You’re (Anderson) fascinating to talk with”.
I understand in a criminal trial a judge will not allow in certain evidence if it is considered prejudicial to a defendant who is facing prison time but this was a civil trial and it was Carroll who sued Trump claiming a rape took place without providing any evidence. She couldn’t even remember what year the rape took place. In a civil trial, why wouldn’t a defendant be allowed to introduce any evidence that they believe supports their case?
Finally, is this the first case in history where someone was found liable for defamation for simply proclaiming that they are innocent of an alleged wrongdoing?
Like every legal proceeding against Trump, this is another farce and disgrace to the US legal system which by now is a joke.
“ One thing I don’t understand is why Judge Kaplan would not allow the defense to present evidence to support the fact that E. Jean Carroll is a nutcase and a liar and that Trump was innocent of the allegations.”
While I agree that this verdict is ridiculous, I think the reason Trump wasn’t allowed to present any of that evidence is because that case has already been adjudicated.. This trial was ONLY to award damages. Trump had a previous trial where he was found liable (not guilty as this was a civil trial) for sexual assault on this crazy lady. That would have been the case for presenting such evidence.
It does seem insane to me though, that if one is found liable for an act in a civil trial, by merely a ‘preponderance of the evidence’ that one can no longer proclaim their innocence without fear of more lawsuits for defamation.
This is a good point that you make. I believe however that if a plaintiff and court can get another “kick at the can” in a lawsuit like this to increase the damages then the defendant should also get another “kick at the can” when it comes to presenting evidence of innocence to an all-new set of jurors especially since in the original trial the same Judge Kaplan denied the defense to present all the evidence they had that the claims by E. Jean Carroll were a complete fabrication.
They awarded E. Jean Carroll $5 million in that trial. Then she comes back and gets another $83.3 million? Why not 83 billion trillion dollars?
The whole thing was a sham to get a guy they don’t like and try to ruin him financially. I can only hope Trump is successful on appeal.
I’m not a lawyer either, but Habba was a hot mess!. First and foremost, that NY law that extended the statute of limitations was unconstitutionally ex post facto in that it removed a protection of law that Trump had previously enjoyed, Secondly, during the first trial, when the corrupt judge wouldn’t let Habba cross examine Carroll on her inconsistencies, Habba shoould have called E. Jean as a witness for the defense and reamed her a new one,…and it goes on, basically Habba was not in any way aggressive
I did not see the trial, so I can’t claim whehter Habba was good or not. The rulings by the Judge seemed incredibly biased and unfair.
Stop approaching it as if this was a legitimate case. When the judge decides the outcome before it’s ever gaveled in, it’s a foregone conclusion and no lawyer could do a good enough job ever. All we can hope is that the Appellate Court is nowhere near as crooked as this one
Why?
Trump should sue her for unwanted sex, with the same evidentiary requirements she was required to put up.
Carroll was the real rapist. Trump got kidnapped and shoved into a changing room against his will.
We don’t have a justice system, we have a legal system,
Like tyrannies throughout history, whether it be the Jacobins, Bolsheviks, Khmer Rouge, Nazi’s or Communists in China, North Korea, Cuba and elsewhere the point is forcing compliance and punishing regime enemies. Regime enemies aren’t necessarily political opponents. The targets of oppression can be Jews, the Bourgeoisie, peasant farmers, capitalists, or any group to whose persecution the elite deem advantageous to advancing regime power.
How long before the Legal Insurrection know-it-all comes through and tries to educate us that this is just, that it is legal, and that it is reasonable?
That person will be along shortly.
It’s not. I read about the trial and her “testimony” on several sites when it was going on. She was obviously a crazy lady making things up to get her moment in the Anti Trump Sun. That the jury didn’t question a stunningly fake story and gave her a boat load of cash based on no evidence should be a wake up call on Trumps other up coming trials. Location matters.
Her story is a plagiarized version of an episode of Law & Order that was aired before she ade any accusation against Trump. She also claimed to have Trump’s DNA on a Donna Karan dress the style of which did not exist until long after the “episode”
How much in punitive damages is appropriate for a man worth billions?
Obviously $5 million didn’t even faze Trump.
My 2 cents is Trump has no one to blame but himself.
He was reprimanded once and yet continued his act.
Of course, because you should speak up when you’ve been falsely accused and they’re stealing from, right? Get out of here you communist loser
Maybe he needs to sue her for fraud? 🙄
Today anyone can make any shit up and be rewarded for lying 🙄
I’ve wondered all along why Trump didn’t counter-sue over her rape allegation. Probably didn’t want to seem like a bully picking on a mentally disturbed woman.
In today’s politics a man cannot defend himself against a woman, and if he does he will be portrayed as a bully and abuser.
He did in NY and a judge dismissed,..however if Habba had any sense she would have sued in a different, more friendly venue ala the Covington Kids
Rather difficult to sue in a venue different than where the thing happened
Pay her in Zimbabwe dollars…
I legit laughed out loud.
Pay her in BitCoin that suddenly disappears.
So now you can get sued for maintaining your innocence. We live in clown world.
Pretty much!
I look forward to every single inmate of the New York justice system being sued for continuing to claim they are innocent.
You don’t see the next logical step here?
They are going to start suing anybody and everybody that maintains that Trump is innocent.
Only if you have money and the ire of the Regime.
It is a kangaroo court in a kangaroo jurisdiction and a kangaroo state.
Men are guilty until proven innocent. Feminism?
Goldfinger
It’s legacy MeToo.
Can someone explain how the NY legislature was allowed to essentially ”unexpire’ the statute of limitations that had LONG expired before they just changed the law a few years ago…almost certainly to allow this specific case to be litigated. I honestly don’t understand how that’s constitutional considering the limiting principles of the ex post facto clauses.
It’s not.
They don’t care.
as far as I know, Trump’s lawyers never made that an issue
The term “ex post facto” refers only to criminal laws. According to Madison, at least two important aspects of ex post facto laws were discussed. The first was if an explicit prohibition was necessary at all, because “everyone” knew such were not lawful (it was decided it would do no harm to make an explicit statement, and much help could be had from it). The second was a discussion of their nature, in which it was agreed that the term applied only to criminal law, and not to civil law. It was suggested the the prohibition should be extended to civil law, but the counter-argument that such a prohibition could be troublesome, for sometimes back-dated civil law is “unavoidable,” won the day.
Why do you think the Communists of any respect for the law?
These people are going to be seriously mentally broken if Trump wins again this fall.
I am looking forward to seeing them go ape shit crazy, especially when criminal charges are brought.
They’re already broken. A Trump victory will make the rubble bounce.
Good, I got a big box of ammunition for the ones that get too rowdy near me
She claimed she has kept the dress of that day’s assault…. except that design wasn’t sold yet. Why no make it $1 billion… Biden Bucks.
Carroll also refused to provide that dress to the defense for testing that DNA spot
I’ll make this short. She lied. Everybody in that courtroom including her knows she lied. The entire prosecution along with the judge need to be disbarred, then countersued into poverty.
It won’t happen, of course.
Not wrapped too tight is a better characterization.
The judge and plaintiff should be sentenced to 24 hours in old fashioned stocks publicly on a very cold day in Feb in Times Square on the date of a WWE event in Madison Square Garden.
She will never see a penny of it
I remember when Oberlin appealed their case, Oberlin had to get a bond.
Unfortunately, Trump will need to post some of his assets as colleterial.
“”colleterial””
Or whateverthehell that stuff is.
ZNO 🇺🇸
@therealZNO
Let’s not forget how E. Jean Carroll, Trump’s rape accuser, coincidentally accused Trump of rape in a Bergdorf Goodman dressing room after a similar episode aired on Law and Order SVU.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1750602415521276181
Absurd, but truly I expected them to give him the Alex Jones treatment and fine him $1 Billion.
Only $83 million…..why not a billion?
She’s a liar and the judge is a communist.
I wonder if he is insured for personal injury.
Forget proving he raped her.
She literally cannot prove that they ever even in the same building at the same time, much less that they had any contact.
She couldn’t provide a day or even a MONTH when the assault took place, making it effectively un-falsifiable, except then she claimed she wore a particular coat, but WHOOPSIE, it wasn’t even made the year she claimed, so then it magically became a 2-year window.
The woman is a certifiably insane whackjob, and demonstrates the depths to which the Democrats will sink.
And before any of you start moaning about ‘well if Trump were just more careful about what he said they couldn’t do this’, they ALSO did this to Kavanaugh, the absolute pinnacle boy scout, with multiple women just as crazy and just as absurd stories.
You think if a NYC jury heard that whiny baby-talk Ford’s case, they wouldn’t have found him guilty too?
My understanding is that Carroll couldn’t quite remember what year it supposedly was. Sometime in the 90s …
The whole story is ludicrous. Trump was the biggest name in New York, at the time, and was always the center of attention. If Trump were traipsing around Bergdorf’s it would have been major news. Page 6 would have stories about it and everyone there would have had their eyes on him. That’s how New York was in the 90s.
The whole case is a complete travesty – to say nothing of this lunatic award.
And Trump still maintains that he is innocent so how could the jury even begin to assume that he “knows [he’s] lying”?? Crazy. And just plain retarded.
All he would have had to do to avoid this situation was to shut up. Don’t say a word about the first verdict. His supporters understand the circumstances. It would have been forgotten in a week. He gained no new supporters by continuing the ‘ALL CAPITAL LETTERS’ name calling and disparagement. This verdict proves the guy has no self control, which is a troubling trait for a commander-in-chief.
Yeah … free speech and being able to defend yourself in public are overrated. Just shush!
There’s free speech and there’s stupid speech. It’s amazing that you don’t realize the difference. $84 million dollars worth of difference.
And then there’s stupid posts
You’d be the expert.
There is but it is hard to remain silent when someone is publicly calling you a rapist with no evidence, false evidence, an obviously made up story and is a wacko.
Hey idiot: Trump has already been a commander in chief. Did he nuke a city we don’t know about? Did he start a big war somewhere? Did he leave $80 billion worth of aircraft, guns and ammo under the couch cushions in Afghanistan?
Trump has a big mouth. I’m glad you’ve finally discovered what everyone else has known for half a century.
Hey johnny, I see you’ve adopted one of Trumps most endearingly costly traits: calling people names. Cute. 😘
Nah, I’ve been calling real idiots “idiots” for a while.
And how many billions have you made, donated?
I’ve done quite well in my career, thank you. And I haven’t given one penny to Trump. Better send him some more of your wealth.
Oh please , just sit down and play with your fingers
Huh?
She has a dirty mind, what there is of it.
That is the strangest insult I’ve read so far.
Oh yes just let your character be trampled in and let money be stolen from you by a lying bitch, good idea
Appeal it until the crazy broad is deceased.
nice idea, but I wonder about the abilities of Trump’s lawyers
I’m assuming they must be great swimmers, since they keep voluntarily jumping off the ship.
There are records of where Trump has been and when. Her attorneys didn’t ask for them. It would have been far too coincidental if he had gone to Bergdorf Goodmans and she suddenly remembered “That was the day!”
Though, come to think of it, I’m surprised someone on Trump’s team didn’t leak the days he was there- when he actually wasn’t, so she could be caught pants down as a liar.
The first case is going to be thrown out on appeal somewhere. Too many things wrong with the case being brought in the first case. Specifically, a temporary change in the law that allowed her to sue. Clear Constitutional violation.
She was already caught pants down as a liar when she did a front-page pose with a coat she claimed she was wearing when he attacked her…. except they didn’t even make it the YEAR she claimed it happened. So whoopsie, turns out that she extended the possible window to TWO YEARS.
It was incumbent upon the plaintiff to establish her “facts,” including the date of the assault. Then the respondent could counter with evidence of his whereabouts on the day. The jury would then weigh the evidence to determine who is more likely to be telling the truth. Carroll’s assertion that Trump was in a changing room with her likely wouldn’t have stood up to news clippings and dated photographs of Trump’s presence elsewhere (when he may not even have been in the same State), or personal testimony from person who were attending business meetings with him (with business calendars from all to support their testimony). This is how assertion and counter-assertion are supposed to work.
The damages yesterday were about his defamation. He couldn’t stop screeching about Carroll on Truth Social after the first verdict that found him liable.
Which is exactly why that crooked judge didn’t allow such things
Yes, but you would still need other stuff to try that approach.
Like a judge and jury who weren’t already in the bag.
Not just a temporary law that allowed her to sue.
A temporary law so narrowly tailored that it allowed ONLY her to sue. My understanding is that this was the ONLY case actually allowed to be brought to trial under this law, which has now expire.
No possible way this can survive on appeal, the law may as well have been titled the ‘Jean Carroll Is Allowed To Sue Donald Trump Law’
In NY, with corrupt lib judges, it will survive
“No possible way this can survive on appeal…”
The case, if appealed, will go to the Second Department of the Appellate Division of the New York Supreme Court. of the 22 Justices in the Division, every one has been nominated by Dem Governor, the bulk by Cuomo, with Paterson and Hocul filling out the ranks.
“Appeal it o the Court of Appeals” you yell. of the 7 Justices on that bench, all were nominated by Cuomo or Hochul.
Comment?
These trials were such shams. Anyone who followed them knows how shady the whole thing is unless they’re blinded by their hate for Trump.
I suspect the jury in both trials followed the evidence closely. They rendered the verdicts, not the media.
And don’t forget that Trump’s lawyers had the opportunity to examine and approve each juror before he or she was selected to decide the case. If the evidence was so overwhelmingly in his favor, shouldn’t we be asking why his lawyers empaneled the people they selected? And why did Trump choose an incompetent real estate lawyer to represent him in this latest case? She didn’t even know / follow the Rules of Civil Procedure for the court she was in.
One of my NY legal colleagues followed the trial closely and said that if he had taken a drink every time Habba screwed up, his liver would have died after the first day of trial.
Yep, Trump surrounds himself with only the best people.
‘Examine and approve each juror before he or she was selected’.
Get lost with your lies, this is a blog of lawyers. They don’t get to ‘approve’ anything. They can only OBJECT and ask that they be removed, and then the corrupt judge declared that any objection was invalid and that the juror would be seated, over their objections.
One of many reasons that this joke verdict is going to be thrown out.
Trump’s lawyers missed many opportunities to crush Carroll, mainly not calling her was a defense witness and have her explain every stupid comment that she has made about rape, sexually assault and her previous allegations of being abused,..and oh yes, that coat with the DNA on it
You are an idiot that clearly hasn’t followed the case.
THE CORRUPT JUDGE EXPLICITLY FORBID THEM FROM BRINGING ANY OF THAT UP AT TRIAL.
They were NOT ALLOWED to bring up the prolific evidence of her insanity and lying.
not during the first trial,..The judge would not allow those questions on cross examination because they were not covered on direct, the judge never ruled that the defense attorneys couldn’t mention any of that until the second trial
the only off limit testimony in the first trial was her referring to a husband, who was black as an ape
Again, just a blatant lie. Here’s a list of what they were FORBIDDEN by the judge to present to the jury:
1) They were NOT ALLOWED to demonstrate that she had previously accused at least SIX different men of rape – from a random babysitter to Les Moonves – and that every single claim was provably false
2) They were NOT ALLOWED to present as evidence the coat she publicly claimed she wore during the alleged assault, when her own DNA report came back showing it had the DNA of multiple men…. but not Trump
3) They were NOT ALLOWED to present as evidence the Law and Order episode whose plot EXACTLY matched her alleged assault – the show that she had said multiple times she loved to ‘binge-watch’
4) they were NOT ALLOWED to present as evidence her multiple public statements that The Apprentice was her favorite show, the show starring her alleged rapist
5) they were NOT ALLOWED to present as evidence the public interview she gave to Anderson Cooper, where she said, ‘most people think of r*pe as being sexy. Think of the fantasies’
6) They were NOT ALLOWED to present as evidence that she publicly said she was ‘convinced’ to file the lawsuit by George Conway, a notorious public hater of Trump
7) She was allowed to claim in court that she had received ‘death threats’. as a direct result of Trump…. and when the defense demanded to see them, she said that she deleted them
8) They were NOT ALLOWED to present as evidence that the lawsuit was funded by Hoffman, who is also directly funding Trump’s political opponents
And that’s not even getting into that the was allowed to make an accusation without specifying the day, the month, or even the freaking YEAR that it happened, making it literally impossible for him to provide an alibi.
1) They were NOT ALLOWED to demonstrate that she had previously accused at least SIX different men of rape – from a random babysitter to Les Moonves – and that every single claim was provably false
Les Moonves was fired for multiple allegations of sexual assault, i’m not sure where you got the info with respect to six allegations. Its not clear to me your sources are very good since
2) They were NOT ALLOWED to present as evidence the coat she publicly claimed she wore during the alleged assault, when her own DNA report came back showing it had the DNA of multiple men…. but not Trump
They had three years to present that alleged evidence. More likely it was a time wasting sham as Trumps legal strategies revolve around this
3) They were NOT ALLOWED to present as evidence the Law and Order episode whose plot EXACTLY matched her alleged assault – the show that she had said multiple times she loved to ‘binge-watch’
This is pure hearsay, which is inadmissible
4) they were NOT ALLOWED to present as evidence her multiple public statements that The Apprentice was her favorite show, the show starring her alleged rapist
It was considered as part of the original trial and the jury found her account credible
5) they were NOT ALLOWED to present as evidence the public interview she gave to Anderson Cooper, where she said, ‘most people think of r*pe as being sexy. Think of the fantasies’
It was considered as part of the original trial and the jury found her account credible
6) They were NOT ALLOWED to present as evidence that she publicly said she was ‘convinced’ to file the lawsuit by George Conway, a notorious public hater of Trump
And lol, that doesn’t demonstrate anything other than someone convinced her of the merits of her case that has nothing to do with the actual merits of the case which a jury found in her favour.
7) She was allowed to claim in court that she had received ‘death threats’. as a direct result of Trump…. and when the defence demanded to see them, she said that she deleted them
There is a mass of evidence of the bully pulpit Trump has, its pretty silly to suggest otherwise,
8) They were NOT ALLOWED to present as evidence that the lawsuit was funded by Hoffman, who is also directly funding Trump’s political opponents
And so what
“shouldn’t we be asking why his lawyers empaneled the people they selected?”
Are you one of those kids who believes that if he gropes around long enough inside a manure pile, he’ll find a pony?
Was the award for assault or defamation?
Effective lying on a grand scale.
Sanctimonious JR is absent from this thread which is so strange. He was bedwetting that Trump won a valid primary and it’s the end of the world, but mum’s the word about an actual miscarriage of justice.
I am sad to announce that JRs dementia meds weren’t available, and is currently unavailable for comment. Besides, JRs one trick pony revolves around “raaayyyyciizzzmmmmm’”
JR appears to be a hack for black grifters and Arab terrorists.
He seems to be sockpuppeting RNJD
Apparently, someone has their fist shoved up RNJDs puppet hole. I bet when his lips move it tastes like sh!+
Hard to believe it wasn’t about Trump and attacking him like the rest of the Leftist gangs, and in a political area they were going to get a verdict.
Come on, Trumpbots, dig. Your Messiah needs some hard cash. Again. Call it “campaign contributions” on your tax returns.
You deserve Biden.
The rest of America does not deserve Biden, though a large % are too dumb to understand that.
Campaign deductions typically wouldn’t be tax deductible. Sounds like you don’t earn enough to understand such things.
He wouldn’t have been sued for defamation had he kept his trap shut. He couldn’t help himself- dozens of rants on Truth Social attacking Carroll after the verdict after he was instructed not to. He has no impulse control. The disruptive courtroom behavior, muttering loudly while others were testifying, the tantrum-y walkout during closing arguments- this did not endear him to the judge or jury. He’s his own worst enemy
I’m typically not a big fan of lack of impulse control. But from what I’ve seen of politics, that can be an asset to a president. Out enemies walked on eggshells around Trump… while they don’t even bother to walk around Biden, they just walk over him.
Where does this go from here? I assume there will be an appeal. It may wind up in the Supreme Court which will take years. E Jean will likely be dead before she collects a dime.
Judge Kaplan should be sanctioned for his courtroom behavior as well. He was answering question for witnesses that were being cross examined by the defense and stopped the defense from proceeding with its case
“Judge Kaplan should be sanctioned…”
Here you are:
https://cjc.ny.Gov/General.Information/Gen.Info.Pages/filecomplaint.html,
This will take you to the online complaint form of the New York State Commission on Judicial Conduct. Fill it out using the brilliance of logic that your post shows. lt is possible that your name will go down in history and the brilliant strategist who saved Big Don.
More likely people will nod and say, “So that’s why the slang word for foolish sucker is “Mark.”
They don’t care. One way or another, the election will be long over by the time this travesty gets thrown out on any of the hundred violations of the judge.
No Democrat actually believes her. They just are using her to try to hurt Trump politically.
My mother almost certainly believes her.
And there are hundreds of thousands more like her.
“…this travesty gets thrown out ”
What’s your reason for believing this will happen?
You do know that all of the judges on the two levels of appellate courts in NY was nominated by a Dem governor, don’t you?”
Another glaring example of just how far this nation has sunk.
This case is the template for why AG MIke Flynn will need military tribunals to restore our Republic from the jackals who have hijacked it.
Absent tribunals, they’ll just keep doing this. The time has come to fix the problem.
So how did this defamation cause the plaintiff to lose out on over $80 million dollars of future earnings or cause her to be a social outcast? Instead, she is a media darling and gets some of the richest people in the world to fund her legal expenses.
These and other questions are on most peoples’ minds. Except for Paula Jones and Tara Reade. They have another question altogether.
Believe all women. Except tara reade?
Feminism is such a fraud.
A good chunk of it was punitive damages. Hopefully, they will at least be reduced if he loses his appeal otherwise.