Hamas Claiming Bibas Family, Including 10-Month-Old Kfir, Have Been Killed
Hamas has lied before about the welfare of the hostages.
Again, it’s hard to believe anything coming from Hamas. The terrorist group said Hannah Katzir died but she came out alive with other hostages.
The terrorist group claims that Shira Bibas, 10-month-old Kfir, and 4-year-old Ariel have been killed.
The Israel Defense Forces says it has notified the Bibas family of a Hamas statement regarding the wellbeing of three of the family members who are being held hostage by the terror group.
“The Hamas terror organization continues to act in a cruel and inhuman manner,” the IDF says, adding that it is investigating the veracity of the information published by Hamas.
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The IDF says Hamas bears responsibility for the safety of all the hostages being held in the Gaza Strip, even those held by other factions.
“Hamas endangers the hostages, including nine children. Hamas is required to immediately return them to Israel,” the IDF says.
After reportedly selling the Bibas family (including 10 month old baby Kfir) to another faction in Gaza, Hamas now claims they have been killed.
As a reminder, militants also previously claimed that Hanna Katir was killed and she ended up being among the hostages released. They… pic.twitter.com/cQgMzNrYB9
— AG (@AGHamilton29) November 29, 2023
I am seeing the Bibas reporting and I have a few comments. 1) They were killed in an air strike… which haven’t taken place in a week. 2) Hannah Katzir. 3) They’re being kept underground, presumably in the south. TLDR: Take this psychological warfare with grains of salt.
— Bethany S. Mandel (@bethanyshondark) November 29, 2023
The IDF is looking into claims that Kfir,Ariel and mother Shiri were killed after being abducted by Hamas from their home on Oct7.
Monsters.— Anna Ahronheim (@AAhronheim) November 29, 2023
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“The terrorist group claims the Bibas family, including 10-month-old Kfir and 4-year-old Ariel, have been killed.”
This should be treated as truth for the purpose of immediate punishment. Drop enough thermobaric bombs to kill about 400,000 Hamas supporting Gazans..
Gazans like terror, give them enough that they either reconsider or are extinct, they have a choice.
Killing 400,000 would start WW III, with nukes going off throughout the world.
400,000 would still leave about 1.1 million Hamas supporters in Gaza, and no one with nukes cares enough about Gazans to start a nuclear war over them. They are nothing more than expendable pawns.
Bullhockey. Why would anyone do that (other than Iran)?
Even around wouldn’t do, they’re not going to sacrifice themselves
I am furious to.
That statement is a bullet in your worst enemies gun for persuading Americans to support Hamas.
How many genocidal kill all the Russian posts did you see from supporters of Ukraine when Russia invaded.
Zero yes?
There is a reason. Control your anger. Now I can’t share this article from legal insurrection, and you have made this article significantly harder to share.
Again control your anger.
Channel it into something a lot more constructive to our side of this like reminding people there weren’t any Israeli air strikes making the only possible murders the terrorists.
There is a reason. Control your anger. Now I can’t share this article from legal insurrection, and you have made this article significantly harder to share.
Wow, is THAT stupid. Especially blaming them for undermining the whole original post, as a commenter.
Also, the reason you didn’t see “kill all the Russians” from Ukraine supporters (though I did see a few on other sites) is not because “they were smarter than that”, but because the circumstances are totally different. Russia is huge and it really wouldn’t be possible to commit genocide against the whole Russian people without more nukes than we currently have. Russia also doesn’t have an entire culture devoted to the destruction of all Ukrainians. Russia also didn’t commit the sort of systemic rape-pillage-murder-kidnap the Palestinians did. Also, I don’t believe there were a large contingent of Russian civilians participating in the invasion of the Ukraine, looting behind the troops and such.
Stop it with the concern trolling. And killing or driving out all the Palestinians from Gaza is actually a pretty constructive answer to the problem of them trying to wipe out the Israelis/Jews.
Supporters of Ukraine were smarter and the vast majority of supporters of Israel are smarter than that post.
Nobody is going to find killing 400 thousand at random a legitimate suggestion, and to have that visible on an article makes it effectively unusable for persuasion purposes.
Again
Use your brain
You could either be reminding people this happened with no air strikes making Hamas the only possible killer
I have a high enough opinion of you to think you are deliberately being an asshole and you don’t really want to kill 400 thousand with thermobaric weapons. I am angry to, the difference is I let my brain stay in command instead of anger.
I wish the professor would make comments hidden so I could share these articles a lot more often.
at random
And there you go – you inserted ideas that were only in your head, not the original comment. And, no, “carpet bombing” is not “random.” It is deliberate and purposeful. “Random” is how Gazan rockets are launched.
Use your brain
Oh, I am. Hence my critique of you concern trolling.
I have a high enough opinion of you to think you are deliberately being an asshole and you don’t really want to kill 400 thousand with thermobaric weapons
Well, thank you for that. I don’t necessarily endorse thermobaric weapons. But I am certainly of the very studied opinion that trying to do the Progressive Way Of War and not actually bring war to ALL OF THE PEOPLE OF GAZA is stupid and self-defeating. When an entire “country” and an entire people has a culture that desires your country’s and your people’s elimination from the earth, the right answer (because it’s how it works) is to bring war to them as an entirety. Because only when you break the will of the people will you stop the war for any reasonable length of time. I’m not talking 20 years, but several generations. And this is based on a study of history and of warfare, and in-depth knowledge of human nature.
Having said all of that, thermobaric weapons have their place against a culture that wants to use rat warrens to shelter their fighting assets, specifically hiding them under the other infrastructure. (I’m also a barbarian who thinks napalm, mines, and cluster munitions are useful and non-evil tools.)
I wish the professor would make comments hidden so I could share these articles a lot more often.
Once again, this bizarre idea that stupid comments make the original post somehow un-shareable. Wouldn’t that make any non-bubble blog post anywhere un-shareable? And, anyone who is too dumb to separate the comments from the post, itself, probably isn’t going to be swayed by reason, anyway.
@GWB
The original post said
“This should be treated as truth for the purpose of immediate punishment. Drop enough thermobaric bombs to kill about 400,000 Hamas supporting Gazans..”
That is the definition of random.
I am glad I was right you are just an ass who doesn’t read the posts you defend, but you are still an ass for not bothering to read the posts you are defending.
Fuzzy reasoning, we see Gazan’s turn out in support of Hamas, they deserve the same treatment as Hamas. You have probably never met someone as analytical as me. I am not much affected by emotional arguments. The nature of Gazans is clear & there is only one way I can see to fix what they are.
1. Eliminate all U.N services to Gaza
2. Establish a non-UN based reconstruction occupation involving American and European Powers.
3. Educate the next generation in the opposite way to what the U.N and Hamas did
4. As the support for Hamas lessons but unfortunately doesn’t die appoint a pro-Western autocrat who will continue gradual change while imposing order and cracking down on terrorism
5. To achieve those Israel has to win the war which means we have to help it win the court of public opinion
6. A lot of people on seeing they have a bad argument or said something they shouldn’t have will double down. I don’t think you meant the post you wrote, and I am pretty sure if you said it to me in person with nobody listening you would have already taken it back. It is hard to admit you said something you regret when it is in public even if that public is the internet. Don’t worry I don’t think you meant the post you did, and yes maybe you are highly analytical when not angry but I would like you to explain how you wouldn’t be angry after 10-7 followed by pro-Hamas risings throughout the west? I am absolutely furious.
2. Establish a non-UN based reconstruction occupation involving American and European Powers.
Why? What business is it of theirs? Do you think they somehow have more moral standing to do so?
3. Educate the next generation in the opposite way to what the U.N and Hamas did
You mean to brainwash an entire generation of children? Without the consent of their parents? What kind of monster are you?!
(I actually agree with this one. But I’m actually barbaric enough to realize that if you don’t eliminate every vestige of the culture of their parents, it won’t work.)
who will continue gradual change
Why? That’s one of the best ways to guarantee the program loses focus and ends up doing something entirely not in accord with the original plan. Do it suddenly and without mercy.
has to win the war which means we have to help it win the court of public opinion
Only when practicing the Progressive Way Of War. The best way to actually win is to tell everyone else to leave them alone to do what’s necessary and achieve victory. Trying to please people who do not have your best interests at heart is a sure way to win short-term and lose long-term. (Kinda like what we already see with Israel – if they had not worried so much about “world opinion” in the past decades they wouldn’t have a Gazan problem now.)
Don’t worry
I don’t. [sarcasm deleted]
2. Yes it is America and Europe’s interests to work towards a peaceful solution, and help Israel out of it’s current situation, and there is moral standing to replace the UN with something going for peace.
3. How many Nazis exist in Germany today? The age of the Gazans today will make it a longer process than it was in Germany but still a doable process.
4. Gradual change to be continued by autocrat appointed to do so who will be dependent on the west and will want to see his power and position continue. An autocrat can produce a great deal of change in a society.
5. Israel is the number one practitioner of what I think you mean by progressive warfare. The regulations Obama had in place for targeting Isis weren’t as strict as the ones Israel follows.
Such horror, who doesn’t remember the precious little red heads
They, like Shani are symbols of the evil , there are no words…
Poor poor babies and parents
What a horrible world we live in..
It’s a good thing I’m not in charge of Israeli defense policy. I think I would probably do something destructive right about now.
Yes, along the lines of what JohnSmith says. Of course, Oct 7 was enough for me to go that route.
I saw something somewhere implying that they get special (negative) attention with Palestinians because they’re redheads. Anyone know if this has any basis in fact?
Must be why the Muslims are overwhelming Ireland
By the way, I read that the Muslim that knifes 6 people, 3 kids, at an elementary school in Ireland was from Algeria and had been on public dole for 23 years
Never had a job
Never
That would also be the guy who they gave a passport to even though he never took citizenship.
Well, Muslims have traditionally enjoyed exploiting fair-haired people even more than dark-haired people. This goes all the way back to the Middle Ages when they would raid Europe for slaves and take the fairest, prettiest women with blonde and red hair to be sex slaves.
Hamas death cult is destroying whatever negotiating leverage they might still have.
Hamas has zero chance of any tactical military victory. They are playing a losing end game.
It is a losing game as long as the will exists to put an end to them.
I meant to say not.
so they were sold to “another terrorist faction”–of course hezbollah has the $$$ but also denies any responsibility for their deaths (if they are indeed deceased)
guess what hamas ? you abducted them by force and held them captive until trafficking them to others–they were in your custody–you (hamas) are responsible for their deaths
condolences to the relatives
Did we actually have any proof, other than Hamas’ word, that any of them were alive for any time after their initial abduction?
Or that they’re dead now?
No, we don’t. And that makes all of this possibly a psych warfare operation. Because these people are evil, and would do that just to extract a little extra pain.
Not publicly known, at least. While I’m not positive, I’m reasonably certain IDF recovered video – either off social media or from the bodycams of one of the dead terrorists – of the mother carrying both children as she walked to vehicles (presumably used to take them to Gaza). I’m not sure if there was any video of the father. Since none of their bodies have been found, IDF presumed – probably correctly – that they were indeed taken alive into Gaza.
How long they were alive is not known, at least publicly.
Well we know that at least three of them were alive after the initial attack
I’m wondering if that’s why the Americans haven’t been returned–are they holding them as bargaining chips, or are they dead and Hamas doesn’t want to admit it.
I’m going to assume that these poor people are dead or that we’ll never see them again because these barbarous animals want to use them to prevent further bombing, or want to persuade the world that the IDF killed them when all along it was Hama.
As for controlling anger, my blood still boils at what happened here–it it were up to me, I’d go full Roman on them–bulldoze Gaza and salt the earth
And that’s the exact moment the IDF airstrikes and artillery missions should have re-commenced.
So I guess this means they can’t trade them as live hostages.
So the deal should be- return the bodies in exchange for any number of terrorists. Israel gets the bodies first, Then march the terrorists over- live on television to show they’re alive. With a long strand of detonation cord wrapped around all their necks. And detonate it.
Barbarian behavior needs to be responded to with even more barbaric behavior to discourage it.
Just one idea.
I believe that this family was murdered by the savages of Hamas early on. They tried to shift blame to an anyomous group. Big time fail!