Hamas Admits in Sympathetic NYT Piece: We ‘Hope That the State of War With Israel Will Become Permanent on All the Borders’
The authors softly justify Hamas’s actions.
I shouldn’t have done it. I thought The New York Times published the article “Behind Hamas’s Blood Gambit to Create a ‘Permanent’ State of War” to showcase the horror Hamas inflicted on Israel, its treatment of those in Gaza, and more details about the October 7 massacre.
Nope. Read between the lines, and it’s a sympathetic piece. Please read the piece. I’d love to hear your thoughts on it.
Small parts of doubt toward Israel litter the article. For instance (my emphasis):
Since the shocking Hamas attack on Oct. 7, in which Israel says about 1,400 people were killed and more than 240 others dragged back to Gaza as captives, the group’s leaders have praised the operation, with some hoping it will set off a sustained conflict that ends any pretense of coexistence among Israel, Gaza and the countries around them.
Israel didn’t SAY. Hamas filmed and SHOWED off the massacres.
Hamas’s End Goal
First off, I’m not going to bury the lede. Hamas admitted its end goal:
But in the bloody arithmetic of Hamas’s leaders, the carnage is not the regrettable outcome of a big miscalculation. Quite the opposite, they say: It is the necessary cost of a great accomplishment — the shattering of the status quo and the opening of a new, more volatile chapter in their fight against Israel.
It was necessary to “change the entire equation and not just have a clash,” Khalil al-Hayya, a member of Hamas’s top leadership body, told The New York Times in Doha, Qatar. “We succeeded in putting the Palestinian issue back on the table, and now no one in the region is experiencing calm.”
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“I hope that the state of war with Israel will become permanent on all the borders, and that the Arab world will stand with us,” Taher El-Nounou, a Hamas media adviser, told The Times.
In other words, liquidating Israel and Jews.
The attack even surprised Hamas. The terrorists couldn’t believe they could slaughter and kidnap so many people.
I guess Hamas had an identity crisis. Some thought the terrorist group lost its purpose. They never wanted to govern Gaza. They only want to destroy Israel.
Hamas repeats its primary objective at the end of the article.
It’s not about Gaza or Palestinians:
“Hamas’s goal is not to run Gaza and to bring it water and electricity and such,” said Mr. al-Hayya, the politburo member. “Hamas, the Qassam and the resistance woke the world up from its deep sleep and showed that this issue must remain on the table.”
“This battle was not because we wanted fuel or laborers,” he added. “It did not seek to improve the situation in Gaza. This battle is to completely overthrow the situation.”
Sympathy
Now, let’s get back to the sympathy.
The New York Times seems to justify Hamas’s attack because of images the leaders saw of Jews disrespecting Palestinians.
The article links to stories, but the authors didn’t elaborate:
But the frustration was building. Hamas leaders in Gaza were flooded with images of Israeli settlers attacking Palestinians in the West Bank, Jews openly praying at a contested site customarily reserved for Muslims, and the Israeli police storming the Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem, a touchstone for Palestinian claims to the holy city. The prospect of Israel’s normalizing ties with Saudi Arabia, long a deep-pocketed patron of the Palestinian cause, appeared closer than ever.
I have many problems with Israel. However, let’s look at the stories mentioned in the above paragraph.
- “Israeli settlers attacking Palestinians:” The article doesn’t mention the attacks by radical Palestinians. I’m not justifying the attacks, but it is well-known that the Israelis in the West Bank fear for their safety. There are plenty of reports of the Israeli army taking down terrorists in those areas.
- “Jew openly praying:” Israel has forbidden Jews from praying on the Temple Mount. The NYT fails to mention that the site is sacred to Jews and Muslims. It’s also a sacred site for Christians. The Jews praying at Temple Mount didn’t bother anyone. They minded their own business.
- “Storming the Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem:” Palestinians and those associated with terrorists kept attacking Israelis in May 2021. Of course, they hide in a sacred holy spot: “At the beginning of Ramadan, Palestinians repeatedly clashed with Israeli police in Jerusalem in protest of restrictions at the Damascus Gate area. Some videos also circulated on Palestinian social media showing young Arab men attacking Ultra-Orthodox passersby.”
- “Israel’s normalizing ties with Saudi Arabia:” That one is self-explanatory. It worked, too, as Saudi Arabia tabled any work to normalize those ties.
The authors then focus on Yahya Sinwar, head of Hamas in Gaza. He created the Qassam Brigades, the terrorist group’s armed wing, responsible for all the rockets and suicide bombers. His nickname is “Butcher of Khan Younis,” his hometown.
Israel arrested and prosecuted him in 1988. He spent two decades in prison learning about his “enemy.”
But then, Israel made a mistake:
In 2011, Mr. Sinwar was released in a prisoner swap that Hamas took as a signature lesson: Israel was willing to pay a high price for its captives.
Hamas traded a single Israeli soldier, Gilad Shalit, for more than 1,000 Palestinians, including Mr. Sinwar, a prison leader who had been involved in the negotiations. Freeing him was a big prize for Hamas, and he vowed to release more inmates.
No wonder Israel has taken such a tough stance regarding hostages. The government doesn’t want to make the same mistake again.
Israel left Gaza in 2005, which apparently forced Hamas to govern the territory. How dare they!
The NYT wrote: “Israel, in tandem with Egypt, imposed a blockade on the strip aimed at weakening Hamas, plunging Gazans into deepening isolation and poverty.”
So, it’s Israel and Egypt’s fault that Gaza is a desolate place. It’s definitely not the terrorist organization that flat-out admitted its only goal in life is to destroy Israel, not govern or help Palestinians:
Hamas leaders were ambivalent about the group’s new governing role, with some believing they needed to improve life for Gazans, and others considering governance a distraction from their original, military mission, experts say. Hamas derided the Palestinian Authority for its cooperation with Israel, including the use of Palestinian police to prevent attacks on Israel. Some Hamas leaders feared that their own group, in negotiating daily life issues with Israel, was, in a lesser way, on the same path.
I reread the NYT article three times. I shouldn’t be shocked that the article leans to blaming Israel for Hamas’s frustrations and why the group attacked on October 7. The linked articles in the paragraph listing the situations that infuriated Hamas and other terrorists did not provide more context or backstories.
What do you think?
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Soooo, that’s a “no” on the two-state solution?
The Dhimmi-crats and European dhimmis can’t admit that the “two-state solution” has been an Arab Muslim “no” since 1948. They’re incapable of acknowledging Islam’s intrinsic and immutable supremacism, totalitarianism, belligerence towards, and, hatred for, Jews and other non-Muslims,
Why break the last 20 years of president, they’ve continuously said no since the 90s
Damn it, not president, precedent
They cold have had a state during the British mandate, They refused then and ever since. The mistake is in allowing those exiled Jordanians to breed like crazy, today there are 7 million, about half under 18. That is a lot of martyrs.
I never bought that there should be a 2 state solution. Pale’s make deals to get something and then do not hold to what they promised, it is stupid to think that they will in light of their past conduct. They cannot, will not live in peace. That means that the only way to handle them is to kick their sorry asses out of Palestine. Distribute free floatie’s, and give them the same treatment Pales advocated for Jews, From the River to the Sea. I cannot see any other solution to this.
The “two-state” solution has already been executed. In its Mandate for Palestine, the British had an option to subdivide the mandate if, in their belief, the land allotted to a Jewish homeland was too large to govern for the Jews they believed would migrate there. They exercised this option, leaving “Palestine” for the Jews, and giving Transjordan to the Arabs, establishing there the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan. Approximately two-thirds of the land that may have gone to the Jews as a homeland has already been transferred to Arab control.
I wonder if the praying “ contested site customarily reserved for Muslims” was the Tomb of the Patriarchs in Hebron, not the Temple Mount. AFAIK the police still arrest Jews on the Temple Mount who even look like they might be praying.
By contrast, the Tomb of the Patriarchs, which used to be for Muslims only, now has separate prayer areas for Jews & for Muslims. I believe there are a very few days each year when Jews are permitted to pray in the Muslim area.
The situation with respect to Jerusalem’s holy sites is farcical, but, Leftist dhimmis and American Dhimmi-crats never, ever criticize Muslims’ perennial intolerance and belligerence that prevents Jews from praying at holy sites that are relevant to both Judaism and Islam. Muslims’ childish fits of rage thrown every time that Jews even attempt to assert their right to pray at such sites reveal their wretched ideological supremacism and intolerance.
Time to say fuck it and let Jews pray at their most sacred site.
Pravda Times publishing pro-Islamofascist and pro-Muslim supremacist/terrorist propaganda, rationalizing Muslims’ genocidal murders and atrocities against Jews and other non-Muslims, as the product of alleged Israeli Jews’ transgressions.
According to the vile and despicable Obama (who fairly represents Leftist/Dhimmi-crat viewpoints), everybody in the world is responsible for Muslim supremacism, totalitarianism, belligerence and terrorism — except for Muslims, themselves. Muslim terrorism is alleged to be a legitimate byproduct of Muslims’ endless litany of alleged grievances against non-Muslims.
Just another day at the Dhimmi-crat lapdog media office.
Ponder what this says about the undeniable evil of the vile and morally bankrupt American Dhimmi-crat and European dhimmi useful idiots, appeasers, enablers and apologists for Islamofascism:
Hamas can openly and explicitly state its genocidal aims to murder Jews in its charter and in public statements; carry out and gleefully broadcast its genocidal murders and atrocities; and, flippantly admit that it doesn’t give a damn about bringing peace, prosperity and competent governance to Gaza — and, these Leftist reprobates will still gleefully cheer on these Muslim supremacists and terrorists.
Careful what you wish for you animal. No way the IDF is going to lose to refuse like you.
It would appear that Israel is going to thoroughly destroy Hamas as a military force.
Thus far, the Palestinian Authority is mostly restraining bad actors in the west bank and probably hopes to rule over Gaza at some point.
Not sure what Hezbollah will do but Israel is taking care of Hamas first so if necessary, will defeat their enemies in detail. If Hezbollah attacks with ground forces I suspect Israel will inflict serious casualties and destruction of their military capability. If that happens then the Sunni forces 1/3 of the population of Lebanon and the Christians 1/3 of the population are likely to take advantage and crush the Shia Hezbollah forces with the help of Israel and the Druze (if the US doesn’t stop them like they did in ’82).
Whether Israel totally defeats the combined enemies or a partial solution the conflict itself is perpetual. Only a final Devine solution will end it.
Correct. The IDF will not play nice with Yahya Sinwar.
Twitter(X) account @honestreporting suggests that western reporters were embedded with Hamas on October 7. That they knew it would happen and warned nobody
Holy crap if that is true.
That wouldn’t be surprising. The only question is whether “reporters” participated in the attack,
Would you put it most reporters? They’re all a bunch of scumbags
What does Hamas want? To destroy Israel and eliminate all Jews.
Where does Hamas come from? Palestinian mothers.
Who loves Hamas? Palestinian mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, aunts, uncles, cousins, neighbors, most Arabs, Moose limbs, immigrants to US and students on college campuses.
When will American Jews realize this? Duh, I dunno.
Hamas will have to get the biggest player in the neighborhood, Egypt, to go along and so far they won’t. A ‘Palestinian state’ may not go over well in Cairo especially since it would be a state with all the responsibilities of a state. First responsibility–don’t make war on your neighbor–your neighbor can legally respond. Any new state will be directly or indirectly controlled by Hamas.
I do not see any other Arab nations rushing to support Hamas.
I don’t think the NYT is enough.
Seems kids are too young to remember when Clinton offered all of Gaza to Yasser Arafat and was told to pound sand. The Nazi training was that ingrained even in the 90s.
That was part of the reason for the snarky first comment. It’s been the case ever since then (and really, before, too).
That’s not an admission, it’s the plan. It’s Israel’s job to make it extremely unprofitable.
And it’s not even a surprise.
Anyone capable of rubbing two or more functioning brain cells together already knew this was Hamas end game, never ending war and the extermination of all Jews everywhere.
“Hamas leaders in Gaza were flooded with images of […] Jews openly praying at a contested site customarily reserved for Muslims”
This is a huge issue this week at the Cenotaph in London. Muslims facing Mecca but kneeling next to the Plinth of the Cenotaph, draping the Palestinian flag on the Cenotaph itself, defacing it with symbols and erecting a temporary mosque at the foot of the Cenotaph (the muslims called it a speakers platform, but that’s bullcrap)
Oh no, I don’t think that it will be a permanent situation. It’ll just be until Israel defeats them
Defeating Hamas is just a stopgap measure, as long as Pale’s breed nearly as fast as rabbits & poison their children’s minds. Pale’s have serious mental problems, they cannot be cured.
Islam has been at war with everyone else since day 1 Mo decided it to be that way
There’s one sure way to eliminate the prospect of war on a border – eliminate the border.
Or change where it resides.
Once again the NYT presents its narrative not facts that justfiy an act of genocide against the Jewish People
Sinwar won’;t make out of his tunnel alive
Is he really in Gaza? Or has he been evacuated to Qatar?
“Palestinian identity and Statehood” was a KGB invention. Operation Sig. Arafat and Egyptian, was educated and trained by the KGB in Moscow. As was Abbas. Arafat was told to continually dangle peace and transform his fight into a civil rights struggle to influence the left. His handler defected to the West and laid it all out. KGB invented it all, PLO kept the “Palestinians” angry, poor and ignorant for use as pawns and cannon fodder. Peace is something they will never accept. Only the destruction of Israel and death of Jews.
https://www.informingscience.org/Publications/4357
https://myislam.dk/articles/en/pacepa%20yasser-arafat-the-kgbs-man.php
One In Five Democrats Side With Hamas: I&I/TIPP Poll
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/nov/6/poll-shows-more-democrats-republicans-side-hamas/
Just like Abortion and the Legalization of Marijuana, Democrats must think siding with Hamas is a winner to get the vote out in 2024.
“I have many problems with Israel.”
What problems do you have with Israel?