Donald Trump has been indicted on four counts related to January 6. There are also six unindicted and unnamed co-conspirators.
Former President Trump has been indicted on four counts in federal court in Washington. pic.twitter.com/CKuFbRR2vP
— Brad Heath (@bradheath) August 1, 2023
Here is the Indictment:
Trump statement:
The indictment is 45 pages. This paragraph summarizes the charges:
4. Shortly after election day, the Defendant also pursued unlawful means of
discounting legitimate votes and subverting the election results. In so doing, the Defendant
perpetrated three criminal conspiracies:a. A conspiracy to defraud the United States by using dishonesty, fraud, and
deceit to impair, obstruct, and defeat the lawful federal government function
by which the results of the presidential election are collected, counted, and
certified by the federal government, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 371;
b. A conspiracy to corruptly obstruct and impede the January 6 congressional
proceeding at which the collected results of the presidential election are
counted and certified (“the certification proceeding”), in violation of 18
U.S.C. § 1512(k); and
c. A conspiracy against the right to vote and to have one’s vote counted, in
violation of 18 U.S.C. § 241.
Here are the four Counts:
(1) 18 U.S.C. 371; CONSPIRACY TO DEFRAUD THE UNITED STATES; Conspiracy to Defraud the United States
(2) 18 U.S.C. 1512(k); TAMPERING WITH WITNESS, VICTIM, OR AN INFORMANT; Conspiracy to Obstruct an Official Proceeding
(3) 18 U.S.C. 1512(c)(2), 2; TAMPERING WITH A WITNESS, VICTIM OR INFORMANT; Obstruction of, and Attempt to Obstruct, an Official Proceeding
(4) 18 U.S.C. 241; CONSPIRACY AGAINST RIGHTS OF CITIZENS; Conspiracy Against Rights
This is in front of Judge Tanya Chutkin.
Probably the worst draw he could have gotten. Maybe the next to worst. https://t.co/wcbxyL3baC
— Leslie McAdoo Gordon 🇺🇸 (@McAdooGordon) August 1, 2023
My God. It looks like this case is assigned to Judge Tanya Chutkan, an Obama apointee.
Trump is doomed.https://t.co/UhXPICoEZY
— Julie Kelly 🇺🇸 (@julie_kelly2) August 1, 2023
As President, I will end the weaponization of government, replace the FBI Director, and ensure a single standard of justice for all Americans.
While I’ve seen reports, I have not read the indictment. I do, though, believe we need to enact reforms so that Americans have the right…
— Ron DeSantis (@RonDeSantis) August 1, 2023
Special Counsel Jack Smith just issued the first criminal indictment of alleged disinformation in my view. If you take a red pen to all of the material presumptively protected by the First Amendment, you can reduce much of the indictment to haiku…
— Jonathan Turley (@JonathanTurley) August 1, 2023
…The press conference held by Smith only deepened the unease for some of us. Smith railed against the January 6th riot and made it sound like he was indicting Trump on incitement. He didn't. The disconnect was glaring and concerning.
— Jonathan Turley (@JonathanTurley) August 1, 2023
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The indictment that’s been on its way all along.
This is exactly what the liberal Democrats and the liberal media have wanted all along, Now they finally have it. The Trump base gets even stronger (I don;t blame them at all for this), so Trump wins the primary, and he loses in the general election, and that is the end of the America that I have loved for my whole life. This is the end of Western Civilization as i know it. And I blame Trump for all of this.
Great, another citizen that thinks an indictment – and possible imprisonment – is an electoral gift for Trump.
It is, I never have given money to a political candidate, but he my get some of mine now.
That’s because you’re an idiot, JR. It’s Trump’s fault communists are acting like communists and turned the US into a banana republic. Good take, nancy.
Trump’s fault that Obama and Biden have their proxies murdering and looting at will?
Trump’s fault that over 8,000,000 illegals bringing crime and diseases and death by drugs into our nation and cities at will?
Trump’s fault that O/B’s misadminstration is mad as hell that they cannot indiscriminately murder babies up until after they have taken their first breath, so now they are trying to groom those children into sexual deviancy and perversions and trying to strip parents’ rights and even affiliation to the child if they disagree?
Trump’s fault? I am not even a Trump fan and you are out of your damn mind.
Why not blame the DOJ?
Because NeverTrumpers suffer the same affliction as the ones doing the damage.
They are one and the same
“This is exactly what the liberal Democrats and the liberal media have wanted all along, … Trump wins the primary, and he loses in the general election, …”
• Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
• Jack Smith also prosecuted Gov. McDonnell because he was successful and a threat to win higher office.
• The fact that Smith’ case was flawed and convoluted did not prevent him from getting a conviction in front of a Dem friendly jury.
• The fact that the Supreme Court unanimously overturned the conviction in 2016 did not mean that the Obama DOJ was not successful (i.e., they kept McDonnell from running for higher office).
• Most citizens can see that the Biden DOJ is attempting to keep Trump from running.
Classic playbook.
“Let him prove that he has paid taxes, because he hasn’t,” Reid said on the Senate floor without any evidence to back his accusations.
When asked about his comments by CNN’s Dana Bash, Reid never rejected the notion his words were “McCarthyite” in nature. He admitted no wrongdoing.
“Well, they can call it whatever they want,” Reid said. “Romney didn’t win, did he?”
(Quoted from the Washington Free Beacon)
The coming civil war is inevitable. regardless of whether Trump triumphed in 2016 or not. He provided an interrehnum duting whcih millions like myself came to realize the only wayto save our civilization was to completely, totally annihilate the Left. There isno other way. They are all diseased vermin that needs to be irradicated with fire.. I have my list of those who must be destroyed in myown community.Doyou have yours? If not, its time to prepre it.
Another day another indictment
All lies
All
This indictment in particular seems like a dump truck load of BS. Unfortunately, Trump is gonna have to shell out to fight this indictment in court as well as the others. The burn rate on his campaign cash, if continued at current pace, will have the various Trump affiliated PACs collectively out of funds mid fall.
Reporting today disclosed the Trump affiliated PACs are collectively spending roughly 80% of the fund raising on legal expenses. This indictment is gonna add to that total. This was off Zero hedge so maybe/maybe not totally accurate.
OTOH, a Pennsylvania judge has ruled that he has immunity for remarks he made while still president about the election being stolen.
Trump doesn’t need immunity. The election was stolen.
Mail-in ballots and anonymous drop-off boxes are a farce of the highest order and everybody knows it.
Plus we know numerous states broke their own voting laws. Plus we know the deep state c*nts put their thumbs on the scale. Plus we know the fed gov violated our 1st Amendment rights in the run up to the election. Plus, plus, plus. What a load of horse shit. Let me know when it’s time to sharpen the blades.
So how is it Hillary and every Democrat with a D can claim for 4 years the election was stolen from them, without evidence may I add, yet Trump is the one being charged with claiming 2020 was stolen?? 🤔🙄
Obviously the judge disagrees with you, and her opinion counts. Yours doesn’t.
Reply to txvet2:
Obviously the judge disagrees with you, and her opinion counts. Yours doesn’t.
I’m in Pennsylvania and I know that my vote doesn’t count, at all. This state just “elected” a vegetable to the Senate. Sure …
But the fact is that I can say that the election was rigged in 2020 (because it was) and I don’t need Presidential immunity to be allowed to say that.
I don’t disagree with you. I only reported what the judge ruled. Your argument, if any, is with her (I think it was a she, but I didn’t check back) – and since she ruled for Trump, I don’t see any argument at all. Maybe a minor quibble.
That’s the entire point of this and the Dominion and GA cases..Be Warned, to not question Dems stealing elections
I just saw that Republicans in Michigan are being charged for some election crime over the 2020 election.
Michigan is the state that ended Hillary’s use of “Jill Stein audits” in states where Trump beat her narrowly. (but never in states like Nevada that Hillary won narrowly) It stopped because of the embarrassment when it emerged that votes in inner-city Detroit had been recounted 6 or more times, run thru the machines again and again. After that, the recounts stopped, and Hillary became very angry at her internal pollsters. Why the pollsters? Presumably, they told her before the election that 6x recounts would be enough. (But recall also that Trump did some surprise campaigning in Wisconsin or Michigan into the early morning of election day.) They needed maybe 15x, and then Hillary would have won the state and nobody would have been the wiser.
And I remember seeing evidence that the same recounting was happening again in Michigan 2020. At least observers were being kept out of the counting process, in Detroit as well as other big cities.
And no charges against any Democrats, but now they’ve found something to charge Republicans with!
I don’t think any Republican believes in our elections anymore. That system is pretty much gone.
Perhaps that’s the real point of this: strip the man of all his campaign funds fighting bogus indictments.
It’s definitely a part of the political calculus on the the part of the d/prog. Remains to be seen if the lawfare efforts (not the validity of the charges), which are soaking up fundraising if nothing else, become a bigger part of the internal GoP primary calculus for GoP voters.
At some point spending 80% of fundraising on legal bills is gonna be a problem. Maybe not for the primary but it will be a horrible disadvantage in the general election. Can’t get outspent more than 2/1 even with Trump brand name recognition and expect to win the general. Especially in the era of collecting ballots; requires a ground game with paid canvassers to be competitive.
There are 100 MILLION co-conspirators at a minimum now
A dump truck of BS and then some. Among the many odd things. Trump was still technically president for some or all of the period this indictment encompasses, I believe. So basically, the head of the executive branch is being accused of conspiring to obstruct a co-equal branch of government. Didn’t think the interchange between co-equal branches of government was within the purview of the federal criminal statutes, but then it takes a great mind like Jack Smith to educate us all.
So give him some $.
I understand he has spent 40$
You want me to fund a billionaire legal bills?
Hard pass. Especially since I don’t yet have a particular candidate to back in the GoP primary. But good news for all y’all already on the only Trump train; the legal limit for campaign contributions was increased to $3,300 this cycle.
Once we get past a few debates and into the meat of the primary campaign I will evaluate their policy proposals. Looking for flip flops, inconsistency and the two things I hate most in a candidate; hypocrisy and lies/distortions about their own record or opponent’s record.
There is no ‘only-Trump’ train.
But I understand that it’s pretty hard to see that from the nevertrump side.
Even if you’re just flirting with it.
Azathoth,
Unfortunately you are incorrect. Several commenters here at LI have already very clearly expressed their intent to vote Trump or not at all if Trump isn’t selected as the GoP nominee. I see the same pattern in comment sections and forums on other websites.
Those of us who voted twice for Trump in both the ’16 and ’20 general and some of us twice in the ’16 and ’20 GoP primary can hardly be called ‘Never Trump’. Never would mean we had not and would not support Trump.
This constant deliberately deceptive conflation of a Never Trump stance with those of us who haven’t yet selected a candidate to back in the GoP primary is tiresome. It demonstrates how over zealous the Only Trump camp is.
I am sure there are Trump primary supporters who will support another candidate in the general election if Trump isn’t selected as the nominee. That’s not a ‘Only Trump’ voter. Those of us who are undecided or are backing another candidate in the primary but who would also support Trump or another candidate in the general election don’t deserve to be labeled as ‘Never Trump’ b/c it simply isn’t true.
“Those of us who are undecided or are backing another candidate in the primary but who would also support Trump or another candidate in the general election don’t deserve to be labeled as ‘Never Trump’ b/c it simply isn’t true.”
@CommoChief – you have a fair point – label – and 100% agree with voting for the candidate that wins the nomination.
1) I will add that I take the concerns of “can win nomination, but not general” seriously, and have been trying to see if I can learn anything helpful from history (i.e., party lost general election because selected wrong candidate).
• Over the past 20 elections – 1944 to 2020 – the Republican candidate won 10 times and lost 10 times.
• The 2nd place Republican primary candidate for each lost election is as follows: 1944-Bricker, 1948-Stassen, 1960-Rockefeller, 1964-Rockefeller, 1976-Reagan, 1992-Buchanan, 1996-Buchanan, 2008-Romney, 2012-Santorum.
• Setting aside 1944 and 1948, it wasn’t until 1976 that the 2nd place Republican primary candidate popular vote came within striking distance of the nominee – Ford: 5,529,899, Reagan: 4,760,222.
• Ford lost to Carter in 1976, and Reagan beat Carter in 1980 – but I am not sure any Republican candidate could have overcome Nixon & Watergate in 1976.
• Romney lost to McCain in 2008 – 4,699,789 to 9,902,797 – and then lost to Obama in 2012.
• Have not dived into the same Democrat data yet.
2) Have no problem with the 2024 Republican candidate being decided by the primary process for many reasons. Including the conclusion that the historical data does not support the concept that the 2nd place Republican primary candidate would have won the general election; which makes sense given the platform, coalition building, energy, etc. required to win the nomination.
3) Since 1944 only two Republican primary candidates have received more than 10 million primary popular votes.
• 2000: GWB – 12,034,676. In 2004 he dropped back under 10 million primary popular votes – 7,853,863.
• 2016: Trump – 14,015,993. In 2020 he increased his primary popular votes – 18,159,752 – only candidate to ever accomplish that.
4) 100% agree with those that have concerns about election integrity ^^ – 2020, 2022 & 2024 – and 100% believe that the Republican primary candidate that wins the nomination is the best candidate for the general election (see history). I will vote for that candidate – Trump, DeSantis, …
^^ = even JH at Power Line – who has been negative Trump for some time now – has a post conceding the public’ perception of election fraud and a statement that appears to acknowledge that Biden’ vote count was not accurate: ” The truth, in my opinion, is that Biden fell considerably short of 81 million legitimate votes, but he did win the election.”
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2023/06/voters-worry-about-election-fraud.php
Show trials and political vendettas. How far America has fallen.
..far,…and there is no-one willing to put a stop to it, Not McConnell, not McCarthy, not Roberts
Charges against thoughts of the Coup d’etat
I guess it should be no surprise that the party that employed whatever tactic they could, legal or not, to assume power would do anything to maintain control but this brazen abuse of law and process is stunning nonetheless.
Smith is like the proverbial blind squirrel still trying to find a nut, whereas Smith is trying to find an actual violation of law
Again, for the slow ones in the back, they are throwing absolutely everything possible because they only need to get lucky with a biased jury ONCE, and then they can demand Trump be removed from the ballot.
Have you seen the judge, AA Obama appointed who gives bigger prison times to Jan 6 political prisoners than asked by corrupt prosecutors
The former United States of America is now officially a third-world country.
Thanks, Obama!
Thanks, Obama voters!
After all, they were voting for the destruction of the United States.
Or as the ONE put it fundamentally transform America.
Don’t forget that about 10 million Obama voters chose Trump in ’16. In fairness to them many of these voters are now among Trump’s most ardent supporters. Maybe they’ve figured out the d/prog are our true opposition, that staying home or casting a ballot based on liking a candidate’s narrative, personality or ‘struggle’ has a huge price.
Better late than never I suppose but damn it would have been nice if these former leftists who voted Trump in ’16 had become disenchanted with the d/prog a couple of cycles earlier. Those Obama voters put into place the political and bureaucratic machinery being deployed by the d/prog against there rest of us ever since ’08. Never forget that.
How many people went to bed the night of the election, confident of a Trump win BY THE NUMBERS, and were shocked Wednesday morning that 5 states Trump had carried, miraculously flipped over night, when all of them had stopped counting? I remember muttering “how in the hell did that happen – when counting was suspended?”
I believed it was stolen within 5 minutes of watching coverage Wednesday morning. I still believe it was stolen. Trump didn’t influence what I think. Seeing was believing for me.
My sympathies if you went to bed on election night with swing States not yet done counting and then deciding they were ‘pausing’ their count and you hadn’t realized shenanigans were afoot ….that was a very rude and very direct introduction to reality the next day.
I need to negate my down vote to your comment. I misread it. The Democrats “shenanigans” were not observable until the next morning. The most blatant was that in Atlanta, GA when they shut down counting but then pulled out boxes of ballots that were counted multiple times to get the “vote” needed for Biden to “win”. I have forgotten where, except that it was one of the swing states, that nearly 300,000 “votes” were certified in 3 seconds. I don’t think anybody with a shred of integrity would expect the level of fraud that occurred. And it will recur in 2024 with the courts dismissing lawsuits over standing rather than evidence.
Observable? Maybe not, but when they stopped counting nearly simultaneously in multiple States the shenanigans were entirely predictable.
Exactly. I was watching the results, and Trump was tromping everywhere. Until they stopped counting in numerous places. My heart sunk. It was as clear as day what was happening. Proving it, however, is a whole other kettle of fishy.
Nailed it. How can you prove anything if the courts will not hear the cases? I am sure there are a million legitimate reasons that so many of these cases were not accepted..but it sure seemed strange to me.
^^^This.
Exactly – the election theft has not been litigated. BUT, it may be now. He is accused of lying about election theft; he now can use the trial to prove he was correct, and the election was stolen.
He was not allowed to prove it in any courtroom
The problem is threefold:
1. the timeline is too compressed
2. Fed CT very reluctant to get involved in these cases b/c they would rather States figure out how they run elections
3. Ballots being accepted and counted which were ‘bad’ ballots from ‘bad’ voter registration
The only effective counter to this crap is to clean up the voter registration lists. Get rid of the invalid registrations. Failing that, ID the registrations that are fishy and challenge them BEFORE the election. This creates a path to successfully chalk the election results.
Every legally insufficient registration needs to be challenged or removed. Failing to do so creates a potential ‘bad’ ballot to be used by the d/prog for shenanigans during the election. Once that ‘bad’ ballot is accepted and counted it is too late to do a damn thing.
The time to deal with the various election problems (many related to supposed “covid” necessities) that were occurring in states in the months leading up to the election was . . . in the months leading up to the election. Trump and his DOJ did nothing. Trump followed Fauci on covid policy and didn’t even seem to notice what was going on in states, including in states that were doing “emergency” election shenanigans that violated their own state constitutions!
I think that Trump thought, as did I, that he was going to romp to a landslide victory, but the cabal was working against him in every conceivable way, including in fomenting the social unrest and riots of that summer (and in ways we don’t really know about and may never). Trump and his people either didn’t get what was going on or didn’t care enough to stop it (neither is a good look for an American president).
Once the election was over, there is a very narrow window to challenge it successfully, and the bar for doing so it incredibly high because judges are asked to literally invalidate potentially millions of votes. The evidence has to be clear, substantial, and without question. That was not the case in any of the cases brought not just by Trump lawyers but by the various groups filing across the country. The whole effort was haphazard, ill-planned and -executed, and frankly, it didn’t help that crazy people were running around shrieking about Krakens and/or outright lying (as Rudy recently admitted he lied about the election rigging in Georgia).
Incompetence or arrogance lost Trump 2020, both before and after the election. Maybe a whole lot of both incompetence and arrogance.
That does not make the result okay, okay, but it does mean that it is over and done. Trump and his lawyers fought it, they lost. It’s over. The thing to do is FIX what went wrong so it never happens again. Doing nothing to that end about stopping the myriad forms of election interference and just wailing about the results of the myriad forms of election interference is a sure path to it happening again. It’s like putting your hand on a hot stove, wailing in pain about how much that hurt, deciding not to turn the stove off, then sticking your hand back on the still-hot stove (because you didn’t turn it off!). Nonsensical and kind of stupid, no?
Trump and his team have done NOTHING to fix what went wrong and are just wailing into the wind. It will happen again because he apparently wants it to. I can think of no other reason he would not be working his ass off to get the issues fixed that allowed the widespread election misdeeds in the first place.
Some of us didn’t go to bed.
Some of us watched as Democrat operatives shambled in with ballots in grocery bags, ballots in wagons, ballots in coolers.
Some people filmed it.
Only to be told that what we’d seen wasn’t what we’d seen.
That none of it mattered because there wasn’t any procedure in the Constitution for dealing with such a thing.
And here we sit. A country without a president.
People don’t seem to understand this.
America is not falling because Biden is a BAD president. America is falling because there IS NO PRESIDENT. And everyone knows it. The people. Foreign leaders. EVERYONE.
Do you not get that?
The world, the entire world, is freaking out because America appears to be gone –they’re hoping that the ship of state will be set right, that this was a momentary lapse
Because, if not, civilization WILL collapse.
That’s why there is such a push for Trump.
Trump was the president whose office was stolen, restoring him would most easily suggest the restoration of America –and would allow most the swift sharp sword of righteous retribution to be wielded.
So, this is the one that will justify removing his name from ballots, right?
This is the one they’ll call “insurrection”.
“Insurrection” or not, one of the penalties for 18 U.S.C. 241 — Conspiracy against rights — is that the person convicted is disqualified from holding any office under the United States or its political subdivisions, for life.
I don’t know off-hand if any of DJT’s other charges carry that same disqualification, but it’s probably half the reason they included that charge, specifically.
“Insurrection” or not, one of the penalties for 18 U.S.C. 241 — Conspiracy against rights — is that the person convicted is disqualified from holding any office under the United States or its political subdivisions, for life.
Legislation cannot amend the Constitution. And the law doesn’t even claim that (not that I read)
I just checked the statute, and you are correct. A 18 U.S.C. 241 violation does not disqualify someone from holding office.
That said, I would swear on a stack of Bibles that it carried that disqualification at some point. I clearly recall re-reading it several times over the past few years.
Weird….
No legislation can disqualify anyone from running for federal office or holding office. The Constitution delineates the requirements to hold certain offices and no legislation can override that. That would have to be a Constitutional amendment and the only way to stop someone from those offices is through impeachment and conviction (and even then they have to explicitly state that being barred from future office is part of the conviction).
Frankly, given the reference to “going in disguise”, this appears to be aimed at the KKK and not much else. It’s a ridiculous stretch to try to apply it to the activity in question, but then so are the rest of the “charges”. I don’t see where it says anything about being banned from holding office.
So Trump is being indicted for expressing the opinion that fraudulent tactics occurred in the 2020 election in sufficient numbers to alter the outcome of the election in certain states. He continued to hold the opinion even after others expressed a different belief.
To be fair, he did put way too much energy into trying to disqualify electors — not just have open recounts: disqualify electors — and his call to Mike Pence ask about NOT certifying the election was shady as hell.
But overall, yes.
Please reads up on Thomas Jefferson and John Adams. Pence could have stated his position before Jan 6 and didn’t… only to release his position that morning…. Either bad timing or the fix was in…. either way Pence is a snake.
THAT is your takeaway from the 2020 election of what was shady as hell…, OMG…, you are utterly and totally an absolute lackwit
It was NOt shady and he had every right
Interesting that they’re charging DJT under 18 U.S.C. 241 – Conspiracy against rights, because he allegedly conspired to deny someone’s right to vote and have that vote counted.
I have two thoughts:
1. Every accusation from the Left is also a confession. Any crime they try to pin on their opponents, they are almost certainly guilty of it themselves; the accusation is a distraction to shift attention away from their own misdeeds.
2. Relatedly, there were enough “irregularities” in enough voting districts in 2020 that — if we had an honest DoJ — 18 U.S.C. 241 indictments concerning “the right to vote, and have one’s vote counted” should have been falling like torrential rain.
The key is an honest DOJ. Barr declared the election fair and honest without opening a single investigation. The DOJ didn’t even feel it necessary to do any window dressing. If the DOJ had challenged even one of the Democrat states where the process was rigged, then at least some of the fraud would have been exposed to the masses.
As bad as the DOJ’s complicity was the astounding thing is that no courts before or after the election would even allow a trial. All the numerous lawsuits by Indvidual’s, states and candidates were dismissed for various reasons.
The establishment judges appointed by GOP Presidents were no better than the leftist Obama/Clinton judges. I suppose that the requirement prior to Harry Ried’s mistake in packing the DC court to have 60 votes to confirm meant that no conservative judges were appointed to the Federal Bench from 1932 till 2016 when Trump played by the Democrat rules rather than capitulate to the Democrat desire to select which judges a GOP President could appoint.
No, that was all
Mitch
It wasn’t for lack of trying for Trump
This is literally proof that Trump won in 2020.
Don’t be surprised when they start posting National Guard around DC and run another false flag.
True.
Isn’t it interesting that during Trump’s term Antifa was running wild. Trump supporters were attacked at events across the nation.
At some point the Proud Boys began showing up and either dispersed Antifa or sent them running to hide behind blue city police protection.
The Democrat media and politicians never condemned the Antifa/BLM violence that caused billions of dollars in property damage and at least 35 deaths. In fact, despite the well-funded riot gear they had in abundance and that the same folks would travel thousands of miles to riot in different cities they denied that an Antifa organization existed.
At the same time the media and Democrat politicians were loudly condemning White Supremacist violence as the most dangerous threat facing America. Biden even tried to get Trump to condemn the Proud Boys during the debates equating them to terrorists.
The Proud Boys showed up at J6 they claimed as security which would make sense as Antifa targeted small groups of Trump supporters (usually elderly) at most prolife or pro Trump demonstrations in DC during his entire Presidency.
On J6 only a few Antifa have been confirmed mostly posing as Trump supporters, but I recall none of usual attacks on Trump supporters returning to their hotel or going to/from restaurants.
In the past 2 years Antifa has mostly disappeared other than occasion lunacy in Portland or the Atlanta police training center.
One conclusion is that they have served their purpose and DC establishment has had a green light to go after any and all political opponents smearing them as insurrectionists, terrorists and white supremacists.
It Trump doesn’t win in 2024 this nation will be in a very dark place much worse than now and worse than the country has ever seen.
That is my impression too.
I have no idea about the foundation of the ‘Proud Boys’ other than what I have seen in the news and on TV.
From my observations, it seemed to me that people turned on their TV and saw blacks burning, looting, and killing people, and here’s the important part, the police were doing nothing to prevent or suppress it.
A bunch of young men with patriotic values said to themselves, “Is this the way it works now? I’ll be your Huckleberry.”
So they suited up and went out to oppose BLM and Antifa in the streets, expecting to be treated in the same way that the BLM rioters were. Lo and behold, the police jumped into action, to arrest and prosecute the Proud Boys, for doing nothing more than BLM and Antifa were doing.
The end result is that NYC is paying BLM rioters $10k/head for having been pepper-sprayed during their violent outbursts, while the Proud Boys are sitting in prison with 4+ yr sentences.
Erronius
The Democrats have screamed to the rafters that they are engaged in open Civil War. The Republicans have yet to acknowledge that we are at war with these self-hating, nihilistic traitors.
It takes two to tango but only one to make war and the left is making war against us. At some point they are going to have to be engaged on a commensurate footing or this nation is destined for a hell greater than what the Soviets or any other commie nations have experienced.
This is civil war. I wish that people would stop talking about the executive agencies being “politicized” or weaponized”. They are being criminally used to attack us and America.
“Conspiracy to commit conspiracy on top of a conspiracy”…that about sums it up, A legalese word salad that plays on media outlets but actually has zero substance. Smith is a menace to the law and Constitution.
Trump will prevail despite the continuous flaming arrows they launch at him exactly the day after every hearing that gets too close to Swiss Cheese Brain Joe corruption and criminality.
The J6 convictions lowered the bar on conspiracy to a nod and a wink. By coincidence, 3 of the 4 charges are conspiracy. Imagine that.
Exactly. Smith has nothing, no actual criminal charges so is spouting gobblygook to thwart PDJT’s campaign. A pox on Smith’s house….may a well placed meteor find its target.
Nope! Trump will not prevail. DC juries are so corrupt that if given a chance they would convict Trump of flying the plane into the Pentagon
Maybe, assuming this dumpster fire smoke screen even gets that far, or whether the Secret Service detail would even allow a former President to be mistreated or jailed over nothing but vapor. If however, you are correct then this could become the last straw inflection point “to throw off such government”. Honestly, this is what Banana Republics do, not America….yet we are here and many of the We The People have had it with the Lawfare crap taking a wrecking ball to The Constitution and Rule of Law.
If they successfully haul in DJT, the floodgates will open to arrest thousands of others to seal the stranglehold on the citizens to never try and take their power away.
Excuse me, are we in the United States of America??? Does no one in DC care about the state of the nation? Is partisan political power all that matters anymore? This is disgusting. What kind of a nation will we be when this is eventually over? Small, despicable people tearing apart the nation in the hope of consolidating total powqer.
People in DC care about power,…their power and that’s it…Remember that several RINOS have stated that they will not votew to impeach Biden because doing so might cause them to lose their elections
Which is the same reason the d/prog voted for the impeachment of Trump. The majority of the electorate of their State or CD demanded it.
The d/prove that voted for the impeachment didn’t really believe their BS. Instead they were acting to take a scalp from a political opponent.
Politicians, almost all of them, act out of one motivation; securing political power. Then they fight like hell to stay in office to cling to that power and all the privileges and prestige which comes with it. Concern for voters is far down the list except for unusual circumstances like impeachment; they had built up a narrative of lies and riled up their electorate so they had to follow through. They didn’t really mind b/c it helped them notch a political scalp.
Republicans should use their power to impeach Biden and his henchmen. Lt them defend themselves and their abuses of power. It should have happened yesterday!
The elections are designed to be unauditable, which means that you can’t prove, or even be confident, who won and who lost. That ought to end the whole trial.
It’s a convention that if you win without instantly provable fraud, you won, because finality is more important that accuracy. But that’s not what they’re assuming in the charge.
It’s unauditable not only from sloppy chain of custody all over, but because computers are used to count, and those IN PRINCIPLE can’t be audited. Details are a little technical but not complicated, for which see Ken Thompson’s Turing lecture “On Trusting Trust.”
Every computer falls to sufficiently motivated bad guys, which elections are.
FWIW, Eugene Debs ran for President against Wilson, while he was in the Atlanta Federal Pen., serving a 10 year sentence for Sedition.
Yes, and he lost.
Debs lost because he was a commie freak–not because he was in jail.
What does the 14th say again?
If Trump can get the Supreme Court to order a change of venue outside of DC to middle America, say Ohio or Indiana with a neutral judge then I like his chances of not only being acquitted but possibly turning this into a trial of our corrupt DOJ.
Trump has a better chance of winning the Power Ball drawing…..Roberts is in on it too
The Supreme Court should throw out all of this. This was a POLITICAL process and it has lots of unlit areas. All is fair in love, in war and in political battle.
The alternate electors were not “fake.” They were chosen as a fallback if the election contests succeeded. Someone had a great article on it. Don’t remember where.
Anyway, all the electors had to be named by the date the electors were to meet, which was before election contests had been decided.
I’m sure Dems will say we have to convict on the indictment to see what’s in it. It’s a mammoth word salad just like Obamacare.
The last (and only) weapon that the GOP has in defense of this nation, to try and stop this insane, treasonous, anti-human, nihilist federal government is to cut the money off. That’s about it. This government can be stopped dead without its money (and it needs TONS of money). Sadly, the Executive branch and its collaborators in the judiciary have made this federal government an existential threat to this nation and the citizenry so this move must be taken.
Of course, after that the Biden junta and all of its players will come right out in the open and declare themselves the total rulers of America (to get their money back and keep their power and means of destruction) … but that is an inevitability no matter how long this is dragged out.
The money to the most dangerous elements (which comprise the bulk of the Executive arm and its agencies) must be stopped and shut off. Stopped dead.
That is pretty much the only thing the House GOP can do. It needs to do it very, very soon.
Well … the House can also start issuing contempt citations like they were candy and having the sergeant at arms arrest the traitors and scumbags, but cutting off the money is the real defense.
Sorry, but those are not solutions and they are never gonna occur
I appreciate your comment.
You brought up the Seargeant-at-Arms that the congress enjoys. I seem to recall reading about a jail facility in the basement of the Capitol. It is my understanding that congress can act as a judicial body, particularly with respect to Contempt of Congress charges.
Why not haul in these criminal actors in the government, like the FBI Director Wray, and hold a proceeding in which they find Wray in contempt, then tell the Sergeant-at-Arms to take him down to the jail facility in the basement, and hold him there for a year? Completely avoid any executive branch interference.
The same can be done to Dr. Fauci. Rand Paul need not ‘refer’ Dr. Fauci for criminal prosecution to the executive branch, congress can subpoena, summon, adjudicate, and imprison him all by themselves, the corrupt DoJ director Garland be damned.
I am not a jurist. I could be completely wrong about this. Just throwing it out there.
Erronius
Some frequently post here how President Trumps EO are always being turned to toast by Biden, I thought I’d post this one that wasn’t
Compassionate use ( except for Covid meds of course)
https://www.sunnyskyz.com/good-news/5118/Experimental-Eyedrops-Bring-Back-Boy-039-s-Eyesight
DC is Jack Smith’s ace in the hole. If Trump goes to trial, he WILL be convicted.
Here is what I think may be the end game. The DOJ will then declare that an individual convicted of treasonous crimes related to J6 is constitutionally ineligible to be president. A few Republicans like Pence and Christie will publicly concur. This will provide cover for some purple and somewhat red states to remove Trump from the ballot.
The SCOTUS will hesitate to get involved due to states rights and federalism. Thus Trump may be prevented from pursuing the nomination and/or general election, depending on timing.
SCOTUS will hesitate to get involved because, as Roberts reportedly said when denying Trump’s 2020 election appeal, is that he is afraid of the Left rioting
Well then, our system of governing isn’t much different than Venezuela’s system.
And that’s a shame.
The “evil monster” demagoguery by Smith is so appallingly and contemptibly unethical, unprofessional, childish, contemptible and, frankly, irresponsible.
It’s astounding to me that a federal prosecutor would be so manifestly stupid as to reveal his personal, pro-Dumb-o-crat political biases and ideological fanaticism, in such a brazen and indiscreet manner.
Smith is not stupid, he is cunningly corrupt
Smith can be, and, is, both things simultaneously. — stupid and corrupt.
A shrewder prosecutor would have been more circumspect in his public remarks and would have possessed the good sense to restrain expression of his rabidly partisan hatred for the accused, in order to at least engage in the pretense of the charges being non-partisan in nature, and, to give the affair the gloss and patina of legitimacy and legal objectivity.
This is both an attempt to sweep under the rug any legitimate concerns and constitutionally protected argument sraised about the election of 2020 with respect to the selection of electors , ,to suppress any constitutionally protected critiques of the same, and to give legal approval to the 1.6.21 Kangaroo Court and show trial that violated numerous constitutional safeguards, More importantly, it is an attempt by an incumbent from preventing his most formidable opponent from campaigning.. This indictment should be challenged in the courts ASAP
As for the pending Georgia case – (see: Fani Willis):
Georgia Grand Juror Imperils Trump Case with Bizarre Media Tour
By JIM GERAGHTY
February 23, 2023
“Meet the Georgia grand juror who’s doing a nearly unprecedented media tour and likely complicating, if not torpedoing, any efforts to indict former president Trump or any of his aides and associates.
The Grand Juror Who Wants to Be a Star..
“When jurors are selected at random from lists of English-speaking, adult U.S. citizens who reside in a particular county and haven’t served on a jury in the past year, there’s always the chance that the foreperson of the jury will turn out to be a 30-year-old woman who is between jobs, who has never voted, and who appears thrilled to be the center of attention.
This week, Americans are getting a good look at the usually secret world of a grand jury, as the foreperson of the grand jury investigating the election aftermath, Emily Kohrs, has chosen to go on a media tour, sitting down for interviews with the Associated Press, the New York Times, the Atlanta Journal Constitution, CNN, and NBC.
Grand jurors are instructed to not speak of their deliberations or unpublished portions of the panel’s final report. So far, Kohrs appears to have walked right up to the line.
She described the high-security environment to the AP: “They were led down a staircase into a garage beneath a downtown Atlanta courthouse, where officers with big guns were waiting. From there, they were ushered into vans with heavily tinted windows and driven to their cars under police escort.”
She told the Atlanta Journal Constitution, “We heard a lot of recordings of President Trump on the phone is amazing how many hours of footage you can find of that man on the phone. . . . Some of these that were privately recorded by people or recorded by a staffer.”
She told CNN, “We definitely heard a lot about former President Trump, and we definitely just discussed him a lot in the room. And I will say that when this list comes out, you wouldn’t — there no major plot twist waiting for you.”
She told NBC of the list of recommended indictments, “I will tell you, it’s not a short list. We saw 75 people. . . . There are certainly names that you would recognize. There are definitely some names you would expect.” When asked if the jury recommended more than a dozen indictments, she said yes.
She told the New York Times, “It was really cool. . . . I got 60 seconds of eye contact with everyone who came in the room. You can tell a lot about people in that 60 seconds.”
She also told the Times, “This is one of the coolest things that’s ever happened to me.” No doubt. She described herself as “insanely excited” about the opportunity to be foreperson of such an important grand jury, and indeed, both terms seem aptly applied.
In her television interviews, Kohrs is positively beaming….defense attorneys will point to Kohrs’s descriptions as evidence of bias and improper procedures — and one can never be 100 percent certain how a judge will rule on those objections and motions.
On CNN, former U.S. attorney Elie Honig characterized Kohrs’s media tour as “a prosecutor’s nightmare”:
MSNBC’s Barbara McQuade, a former prosecutor, fumed:
She said she swore in one witness while holding a Ninja Turtle ice pop she had received at the district attorney’s office ice cream party. A what?! “
So, obstruct an election by trying to get it counted. Sounds like an unarmed insurrection that quietly toured the building they were supposed to be occupying, then left.
These ultra-MAGA not real Americans are as bad at overthrowing a government as The Feckless R’s are at wielding power in one.
This indictment is violative of the fFirst Amendment and the Ex Post Facto Clause , is frivolous, sanctionable and is not worth the paper it is written on-this indictment is part of DOJ’s strategy in such cases-even if the case lacks any merit, subjecting a defendant to the crininal justice process is punishment in its own way.
If there is anyone left who sincerely believes the rule of law isn’t dead in the USA, they are seriously deluded. I understand the political motivations prompting law war against Trump, but his attorneys are a real, long and hard stretch, and an attack at the very foundation of our legal system. It’s intimidation that has never been witnessed in the history of the USA. There is no question the organized crime family is in a panic, and like all who panic are only making things far worse. Now, we also see why Murdoch and Fox News paid out $800 million to Dominion. I’m sure they were threatened with indictment as well.Murdoch is 91 and unlikely to survive a trial. They ordered Tucker Carlson to be fired because they did not want him exposing their multiple crimes. We can now expect fake charges against Tucker, maybe the Gateway Pundit and other conservative pundits,leaders and publications. We are all on their list, we can all publications and personalities that are vigorously protesting their tyranny. They are coming for us all, expect a knock on the door, and I suggest you be prepared to defend your home and liberty as the vermin are on the prowl.Perhaps, it’s time to be proactive. Make up a list.
The unintended consequences of the Left’s destruction of the rule of law will play out during the next few years. It’sno tgoing to be pretty. Trump stands for a lot of principles that conservatives love, but these indictments and coming trials gives him an entire new audience. and a huge new pool of supporters, which is anyone who has ever felt aggrieved by government power. Many understand that not only can they indict a former President and current front runner but anyone else that gets in their way. This is bringing a lot of hidden, somewhat apathetic and disgruntled new voters into the MAGA fold. Sununu, Christie, Halley have never been targeted by the government. They are in the minority. And, if you have no grievances, I can assure you have a family member who has been targeted. It is to this audience that Trump is speaking. These people,many of which will be new voters,are not necessarily MAGA and may oppose some MAGA goals. These are the people that want revenge against the government and voting for Trump is their revenge. Trump has said he’s going to fire the swamp, the DOJ. the FBI. reign in the IRS. There is a huge audience listening. I see an election made up of most Republicans, all of MAGA, and a Coalition of the Aggrieved. If Trump pulls it off he will have to satisfy this new group, fulfill his promises, and the worst fears of the Left may just come true. As for me I don’t know if I’ll be there with my knitting needles or releasing a lever on the guillotine. The resulting chaos will await the emergence of an American Bonaparte. I’m afraid the Republic is dead.