Where things stand at this hour
The judicial option for fighting the election has come to a close, now comes the time to organize.
I’ve been extremely fatigued the last few days. I don’t think I have coronavirus because I don’t have other symptoms, but it’s been hard for me to sustain the energy to follow the legal proceedings that have brought to a conclusion the judicial option for fighting the election result.
I did watch most of the Wisconsin Supreme Court oral argument on Saturday. There is no better example of why elections matter, and how the 2020 presidential election was lost months ago. Liberal Jill Karofsky defeated conservative sitting Justice Daniel Kelly in an April 2020 election the Wisconsin Republicans completely botched by allowing it to take place the same date as the Democratic presidential primary. Guess who turned out to vote? Democrats. That took the court down to a nominal 4-3 conservative majority, with Justice Brian Hagedorn the weak conservative link.
In many other states, legal and political battles were fought strategically by Democrats over the several months leading up to the election. Democrats organized for a mail-in election, Republicans didn’t. Republicans were out-organized, out-hustled, and out-lawyered.
Back to Wisconsin. Karofsky was known to be on the extreme end of the spectrum, and she demonstrated it during the oral argument, with obviously planned pronouncements from the bench that the challenges were racist, and that Trump was acting like a king. It was the most abysmal display I’ve ever seen in an appellate court oral argument. Karofsky has just started her 10-year term in office.
The court voted 4-3, in an opinion authored by Hagedorn, to deny Trump’s challenge to clearly defined categories of votes that allegedly were cast in violation of Wisconsin law based on misguidance by the Wisconsin election commission. The majority never analyzed the merits for most of the claims, it declared that it was too late, “laches” just like the Pennsylvania Supreme Court. Read the Opinion, of course, but also read the much lengthier, more detailed, and more persuasive dissent of Justice Patience Roggensack (starting at par. 61 of the pdf., page 13), which absolutely ripped to shreds the majority’s refusal to examine and apply the law.
I raise this issue because Wisconsin was the clearest case of one judicial problem Trump faced. The remedy was too much for any court to grant. As I cautioned many times, no court was going to disallow thousands (and in some cases millions, such as PA) of votes which technically may have been unlawful, but were cast by people who thought they were voting lawfully and who were following the procedures of election authorities. That was a reality check that not enough people offered. In his opinion, Justice Hagedorn wrote of a challenge to the form of voter application:
Waiting until after an election to challenge the sufficiency of a form application in use statewide for at least a decade is plainly unreasonable.
Technical arguments, while possibly legally correct, were not going to, and did not, persuade a majority of any appellate court to grant the relief sought.
Separate from the technical challenges, the presentation of actual fraud claims has been haphazard and disjointed. Unlike the Democrats, who were highly organized legally, Republicans had different lawyers filing different claims without any apparent coordination, sometimes in the same state. Legislative hearings are not court.
A big part of the problem was the truncated electoral college timetable. As I mentioned with regard to Nevada, trial court judges expected Trump or his proxies to come into court with conclusive evidence of fraud at the get-go, while eschewing the normal documentary and testimonial discovery process that would take months or years. I think it’s fair to say Trump never got his evidentiary day in court because of this truncated process, but it’s also fair to say that the law requires that election disputes — particularly presidential disputes — be resolved quickly and that only definitive proof of fraud affecting the result gets you past go.
Also, let’s face it, there were many high-profile lawyers who didn’t deliver on their promises of definitive proof. Broad conspiracy theories which might be true were not proof. Even Trump-appointed federal judges could not be convinced.
As to the Supreme Court, the unanimous decision was to deny Texas any relief (7 Justices voted against even allowing the filing, Alito and Thomas would have allowed the filing but denied relief). Alito and Thomas are the two most consistent constitutional conservatives on the court, if they say Texas had no legal case, then it’s hard to argue against.
All that said, I don’t blame people for fighting these legal fights. I said all along, and stand by it, that we should let the legal cases play themselves out. There is a strong sense that something went very wrong here; tens of millions of people have that sense. I certainly do.
The court proceedings and legislative hearings have exposed a lot of problems with the election. Shining a light on the threat of mail-in voting and election practices was a public service, and should serve as a warning for 2022 and 2024.
Today electors appointed by states around the country cast their votes for Biden-Harris in an amount enough to elect them. I’ve looked at two Congressional Research Service Reports, one from 2020 and one from 2016, explaining the process for counting and contesting electors at a Joint Session of Congress. The bottom line is that even if you think contesting electors at a Joint Session of Congress is a good thing, it’s not going to happen here because both chambers would have to concur. There is zero chance the Democrat-controlled House would vote to disallow Biden-Harris electors.
So the nomination of alternative electors, and the vow to contest the electors on January 6, is a dead end. It’s a dead end that could have serious consequences if it causes Democrats to win both Senate runoff elections in Georgia on January 5. That would put the Senate (along with the House) in Democrat hands with a Democrat president, and a power-hungry Obama-third term (at best) crew in charge.
It also distracts from a necessary organization of a resistence to the radical Democrat agenda, a resistence that needs to be organized now. The merging of the Democratic Party and the high tech oligarchs who control the flow of information is one of the most serious threats non-liberals have faced politically. They will hit the ground running. Will we?
Previously I have likened the current situation to the time period after Obama’s election, when the Obama juggernaut seemed unstoppable. The rise of the Tea Party movement in opposition changed the course of history. It didn’t stop the Obama agenda in its entirety, and was undermined by establishment Republicans, but it did change the trajectory dramatically. It can happen again, but only if people don’t engage in futile and useless gestures in the next few weeks instead of organizing.
So that’s were I see things at this hour. Now I’m going back to get some rest.
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For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.
One of my most favorite chapters. The Gospel in the OT. Thank you!
Jeremiah 29:11-29 King James Version (KJV)
11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the Lord, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.
12 Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and I will hearken unto you.
Joe Biden Delivers Remarks Following States’ Electoral College Vote Day — Can ONLY Get 4,000 Views on CSPAN Page
…But We Are to Believe the Lie that Slow Joe Got 80 Million Votes! ROFL
That I think, with all due respect, is the problem with Prof. Jacobson’s analysis. We didn’t lose because we were out organized. They just cheated. And worse, they will soon really have the power to change things permanently no matter how anyone organizes in the future. So, in nutshell, i think it’s game over for the Republic as we’ve known it. What will organizing accomplish with 2 new democrat states, an expanded court and mass amnesty? (and I haven’t even mentioned the damage that will be suffered under the new socialist agenda).
There was cheating. But… I think, also with all due respect, some of us need to come to terms with the level of rank Trump hatred there is out there. Trump is a polarizing figure of the 1st magnitude, which is to say there is no middle ground. Either you’re like us, and you are strongly for him, or even love him, and if you’re not, you hate him. One side or the other. Sadly, even among Republicans. In this context, it is not only possible, but in fact likely, to have people turning out and voting for Biden, and also otherwise casting a straight Republican ticket.
No Max. It’s 20% of the country… social media and MSM that fed Trump hatred. It’s manufactured, nurtured and continuously fed. They fixed the narrative and blasted it 24/7. Trump was bad because he effectively fought back and had strong support his entire term. Nothing they tried worked on him. He never bent.
So they blatantly took full advantage of Covid as soon as impeachment failed. Mail in voting. That was their ONLY chance… that and blatant cheating with network media and social media help. FBI went silent on Biden; never went after the Mueller gang, and refused to look into fraud during and after the election. The left cheated and the judicial system let them.
Learn about the word “and,” which is applicable here. Yes, the media and all the institutions were against Trump. And yes, some of us loved Trump. But EVERYBODY else hated him. EVERYBODY. Doesn’t matter why they did, or how wrong they were, or who convinced them. The media, or whoever. I am around these people and I fight this every day. They just don’t like his style and they don’t get why we do.
Sorry, hatred or not, the cheating is why it appears biden received more votes than Trump.
Trump received an honest vote total the largest in history. Trump won the election in an electoral landslide absent cheating.
No amount of hatred changes that fact.
He’s a polarizing figure who won by landslide.
We no longer live in a Republic. We live in a scummy banana republic, the scum of which run it wear suits instead of beat- up fatigues and berets.
I find it difficult to accept that the voters in this election were almost 100% of the registered voters.
Yes, this. We have to at least be able to *entertain* the possibility that, in fact, Biden really did get more votes, and got them where he needed them, even after fraud (which certainly happened) is subtracted out.
Part of the problem is that people live in information silos (which social media actually makes easier), but also that differential in outward levels of enthusiasm can be misleading. I call this the “Goldwater Effect.” Barry Goldwater time and again demonstrated a highly, even intensely, supportive base of supporters in the 1964 election (considerably more than LBJ!), and yet, he got wiped out because it turned out that this energized Goldwater base was out of step with the majority of the electorate.
Trump did turn out 11 million additional voters, which is impressive. It’s also quite possible that the same things about him that got those 11 million voters also turned out 13 million additional voters to come out to vote *against* him, I’m afraid. And the pandemic obviously did not help, either.
“It’s also quite possible that the same things about him that got those 11 million voters also turned out 13 million additional voters to come out to vote *against* him, I’m afraid.”
Sure, sure. All the signs were there. Like the large Biden rally’s with tens of thousands of cheering supporters. Biden’s constant travel from place to place to energize those supporters. The turnout of minorities was higher than ever and Biden got a larger % of them than ever before. /s
Don’t be a dope. The Biden votes are fraud, nothing more.
Concise, I’m afraid you’re right. Biden has promised us a dark winter and I suspect he’ll deliver. A long, dark winter.
I could not agree more! We didn’t lose because we were not as organized. That’s BS. We lost because they cheated! And you are right…now that they see how cheating goes unchecked, they will have total control. Republic is over.
It’s a floor polish AND a desert topping.
The Dems “won” the presidency both because they were more organized AND because they cheated. They had a four year game plan, drum up TDS to the max, repeat Big Lie after Big Lie, never conceding the last one didn’t pan out. Then, never letting a good crisis go to waste, use COVID as an excuse to loosen up every single anti-fraud measure in voting they could. And it worked. Especially since many establishment GOP were aghast at the crass hoi poloi (sp?) who had crashed their private party.
In contrast, “establishment” republicans responded to an “Uncle Buck” outsider winning the gold ring in 2000 like Pharisees seeing crowds follow Jesus. It didn’t help if he was more popular with their base voters, or if he didn’t treat his campaign promises like they were written on TP, or if he made progress in multiple tasks they’d “supported” unsuccessfully for years or decades. In fact, that made it worse in their minds. Not saying Trump was in any shape a messiah, but he made them look ineffective and stupid repeatedly.
Ex : Moving the embassy to Jerusalem was promised by EVERY candidate for 40 years – and was always killed by “experts” who predicted the Middle East would go up in flames. As opposed to? It didn’t get worse, in fact using Iran as a club instead of some sort of “peace partner” (was never going to work, btw) like the “experts” wanted he’s brought generations-long enemies of Israel to treaty signings.
But the slow-burn coup has finally paid off, leaving republicans more concerned with policy than establishment club perks where?
Figuratively, we need to “go to the mats” on election rules. The water-carrying MSM went from (1) “voter fraud occurred in 2016” to (in 2010) (2a) voter fraud is impossible to (2b) voter fraud almost never occurs to (2c) voter fraud occurs but is rare to (2d) OK voter fraud occurred but not in significant enuf numbers to affect the results.
We have videos of elected Dems illegally blocking poll watchers from doing their jobs – let alone oath-bound testimony to the same. We have ballots illegally counted without proper chain of custody. We have middle of the night ballot dumps as a result which are then counted without oversight. We have statistical anomalies like tens of thousands of those ballots being “Biden” only in a row. About as likely in Real World ™ as getting the same number of coin flips coming up heads only. Look, even with Trumps negatives you will get non-Biden votes occasionally no matter how much of a (D) stronghold a district is. If nothing else, contrarian Americans will write in for Bernie – or Micky Mouse.
These facts were not sufficient to convince the courts to stop the process as tainted, but they CAN and should be used as clubs for the next four years in a fight to rescind every (d) loosening of vote fraud prevention and to fight for public support of fraud prevention. Stop backing off because some politician or celeb claims it’s “racist” to require ID to vote (which btw is a common world wide requirement – is everybody else – including African nations – “racist” to do so?). In fact have some fun with that argument – propose laws to make it illegal to require ID period as “racist”. No driver licenses or picture ID needed to cash checks or pick up packages or enter federal buildings or take out loans and so on – “that’s racist”. Illustrate how insane it is to say ID is racism by making support for that claim support for putting sand in the gears of every other transaction or interaction that uses ID.
And spend spend spend political money supporting voter protection laws as if democracy depended on it – because it actually does.
“It can happen again, but only if people don’t engage in futile and useless gestures in the next few weeks instead of organizing.”
Organize to do WHAT exactly? You should put off going to bed until you elaborate on that sentence. What is it that we can organize to do that will overcome the highest court in the land and several other federal and state courts legalizing massive voter fraud? The Dems now have carte blanche to cheat at will without consequences. Do you think that’s not exactly what they will do from now on? HOW do we organize for that, pray tell? Do you have a plan in mind? Some brilliant solution to overcome a successful coup of the Republic by an evil borne within our country’s borders and aided by enemies without? If you do, for God’s sake, lay it out, Jacobson. This is NOT the time to go to bed.
I don’t know how my comment ended up as a reply to your comment. I didn’t mean to do that, so please disregard in relation to your comment.
“These facts were not sufficient to convince the courts to stop the process as tainted . . .”
Were the roles reversed, and let’s say, a President Hilary Clinton was going up against candidate Trump, and the facts-on-the-ground as you and I know them were happening against them, what do you think the response would be from the MSM and the Democrat senators and congress people?
You would have seen a 24/7 onslaught – interviews with the affidavit people; Schumer etal ripping their shirts on camera; documentaries on Dominion; on and on and on.
The courts? Watch the movie – Cromwell – with Richard Harris as Cromwell and Alec Guiness as King Charles. You’ll see the same dynamics. Charles masterfully tries to use his divine right of kings argument to save himself – even after he did everything wrong that would prevented his trial. I draw a parallel to those Democrats doing everything to maintain and gain power while counting on the courts to act as many of them have.
Along comes our American Cromwell to say, “Is the King guilty?” “Yes!” “Then sign the order for his execution.”
The theft of an election on this scale, and at this moment in our history, demands a reply that none of us have experienced. These may be unchartered territories.
Now that the Democrats have cheated so blatantly and openly on such a MASSIVE SCALE and got away with it, they will continue to do so in future elections. Therefore Republicans cannot expect to win no matter how much orgainizing we do because that is not the problem.
How much do you want to bet that the radical Dems are already trying to figure out a way to replace the Constitution with a more, let’s say, living document that’s reflective of our times and future. Wasn’t that part of the argument when replacing Ginsburg after she died, because she and other Court liberals interpreted the Constitution 180 degrees differently than Scalia, Thomas, and maybe Alito. Obama said he wanted to fundamentally change America, which is probably one of the reasons he remained in Washington, at the helm of the “Get Trump” consortium, and Biden’s administration already looks like Obama’s third term.
“And worse, they will soon really have the power to change things permanently no matter how anyone organizes in the future.”
They already know that. No election will ever be free and fair again. They’ll cheat themselves into total power and the Republicans will just shrug and go along with it. Why in the fk does ANYONE keep voting for Republicans? They are corrupt, totally useless, totally worthless cowards. I want Trump to start a new party RIGHT. FKNG. NOW. I will gladly join. Millions of his followers would doubtless join. And we start organizing to secede. I want no more to do with this Leftist dead Republic.
100% in agreement with you here. And with you question about what exactly would we be ‘organizing’ to do. (That comment of yours didn’t have the ‘reply’ function)
Although you should let the guy go to bed, he sounds as if he needs rest.
Anyway, you raise such a clear and important question. Other than vote, by the millions, what exactly is there that our side can do.
A third party is a good start. However, my theory is that running for high office requires so much money that they all become tainted over time. CCP just stands there handing out money and buying them one after another, both D and R, no matter. Easiest, but quite expensive, conquest in history. Not a shot fired, bought rather than fought.
Oh, alright, I guess he can go to bed. But the rest of us had better stay up and do some serious planning.
With all due respect, and I’m not saying this to suck up to the Professor, I think his analysis was spot on. Of COURSE they cheated. But they organized to cheat. In my former profession we called it “preparation of the battlefield.” That takes planning and organization. The Dems organized to cheat. Why do you think there’s no conclusive proof of cheating? Why do you think George Soros spent billions to install leftists as Secretaries of States across the country? As Stalin purportedly said, “It isn’t the votes that count, it’s who counts the votes.”
Of course there’s no conclusive evidence of fraud. If election officials illegally destroy security sleeves for mail in ballots (which they are required to keep by law, but like so many such laws there’s no penalty for breaking it) then there will be no evidence. That’s the point of destroying the documentation that would enable honest election officials to conduct an audit. No paper trail, no way to prove fraud. It’s just one of those “glitches” that only works one way for one party.
There are countless other pieces of evidence that point to fraud. Rosemarie Hartle voted for Biden by absentee ballot in Clark County, Nevada in October. A few problems with her vote, though. She died of breast cancer in 2017. Her husband still lives in the same house. He never got the ballot, and he certainly didn’t return it. And her signature on the ballot matched the signature in county election board records.
You’d basically have to be on the county board of elections to commit that type of fraud, and you’d have to be brain dead to believe they went to all that trouble for one vote. On the other hand, if you are brain dead in Clark County, Nevada, you voted for Biden. The election officials made sure of that.
We know there was no burst water pipe at State Farm Arena in Atlanta but that was the pretext for sending election monitors home (and no, that story has most definitely not been debunked). And miraculously Biden overcame an overwhelming Trump lead in Georgia due to the massive “turnout” in Fulton County (Atlanta) Georgia.
I wasn’t ever a professional fraud investigator, but when it comes to operating a SCIF we do maintain audit trails. Who accessed secure intelligence systems, who signed out a compartmented document. Sometimes people take shortcuts and share user IDs and passwords (although we really had these problems with foreign counterparts who had been granted access, then shared their credentials outside the limited circle of trusted individuals with unauthorized personnel). Then classified escapes into the wild and you’re reading about it in the papers. The good thing I suppose is that since the number of foreign nationals (military/intel types in allied nations) was so limited it wasn’t hard to figure out whose career to ruin.
But we took maintaining audit trails/chains of custody seriously. We no have states that technically have laws on the books to enforce election integrity, but those laws have been gutted.
Without years of organization, greatly intensified in the overhyped pandemic over the past year, the massive cheating couldn’t have taken place. As I said, I’ve never been a professional fraud investigator but I’ve been involved at times in types of fraud investigations. No one I know in the field would ever believe that an election marked by this many red flags wasn’t affected by massive fraud. It just never happens; this many indicators and no fraud? Or only insignificant fraud? Never.
And it took a lot of planning, organization, and Soros levels of money to pull it off.
Lack of direct proof shouldn’t matter. That isn’t how it works in non-election cases. Destruction of evidence proving your guilt doesn’t serve to shield you from losing, instead it pretty much guarantees you lose. Both judges and juries see it as evidence of knowledge of guilt, and many litigators see evidence of a coverup to be as good as a confession.
The same goes for the ballots that were counted without oversight. Can I prove any individual ballot was fraudulent? No, but I shouldn’t have to. If you’re counting ballots without oversight that should in and of itself be proof that all of the ballots should be presumed fraudulent.
You would think. But I mentioned James Comey in a later comment. Again, I’m not nor have I ever been a professional fraud investigator. But I have supported NCIS when they investigated violations of the Espionage Act because as a trained Special Security Officer in charge of SCIFs I was the one who maintained the paper logs (yes, the intel community still does maintain actual paper trails; if your name isn’t Hillary Clinton an NDA signed under penalty of perjury that you understand your responsibilities to safeguard classified information and that you understand the criminal penalties if you don’t is enough to obliterate her personal attorney’s [Comey as FBI director] that she was naive, so unsophisticated she didn’t understand classification markings [the signed NDA proves Clinton said otherwise under penalty of perjury plus by Executive Order she was an Original Classification Authority, possessing an even higher level of sophistication than any consumer of intel] inexperienced AND convict you).
These types of investigations always involve types of fraud. Not financial fraud, not voter fraud, but forged chains-of-custody/audit trails created after the fact to make it appear that someone who was flouting the law at the time in question was abiding by it. These never work, BTW. Unless your name is Clinton or you’re a Dem election official hell bent on getting President Kamala Harris into the Oval Office by hook or by crook.
The bottom line is that for some reason the fact that there were no chains-of-custody for ballots, voting equipment, nor the legally required documentation required to conduct an audit in the first place seems to have made no dent on the justices hearing these cases. They required actual evidence of fraud, which was impossible to produce in the artificially truncated amount of time to appeal the results after November 3rd and before the electors met on the 14th. Frankly many judges, like Comey, turned a blind eye to the fact that election officials had destroyed evidence that would have shown fraud. They simply focused on the fact the evidence wasn’t there, and wouldn’t be there without extensive investigation. They weren’t going to allow the time for an investigation because for a variety of reasons they didn’t want to leave the results in doubt for months.
Some of this was rank partisanship. Some of this was due to intimidation. The Democrats have been using the language of “disenfranchisement” to mean something other than what it does. No one was disenfranchised. Every legal voter voted. But a lot of people who weren’t enfranchised to begin with voted; they committed fraud, and in fact disenfranchised legal voters with their fraud.
Tookie Williams, founder of the Crips, convicted murderer, and all around gang banger was executed in 2005. He’s dead. You can’t disenfranchise a dead felon. Except in Democrat party language; “How dare you disenfranchise non-existent people, dead people, illegal aliens, double voters, felons who haven’t had their voting rights restored, election officials who stuff ballot boxes, you raaaaacists!”
As I said, some judges simply acted out of partisanship. Others out of fear. They don’t want to be called nasty names like racist, bigot, transphobe, etc., especially when there’s a threat behind it. Like violent retaliation. Or court packing.
“Lack of direct proof shouldn’t matter. That isn’t how it works in non-election cases. Destruction of evidence proving your guilt doesn’t serve to shield you from losing, instead it pretty much guarantees you lose.”
To make it perfectly clear, I agree with you. That’s how it works during a legitimate investigation, and when the case is brought. My frame of reference concerns national security investigations; violations of the Espionage Act. A legitimate investigation into one type of illegal act always produces leads that indicate other crimes were committed. Remember Kristian Saucier? He was the submarine sailor who was convicted of taking cell phone pics in classified areas of the USS Alexandria at the same time Congress was investigating Hillary Clinton’s illegal, unsecured server.
NCIS and the FBI began investigating him when a retired USN CPO discovered the guy’s cell phone w/the pics in a trash can. After an initial interview Saucier went home and destroyed a PC, a memory card, and a camera. He had taken the pics on at least three separate occasions. They had him dead to rights on multiple counts of illegal possession and retention of national security information and multiple counts of obstruction of justice. They allowed him to plead to one count of illegal possession and retention of national security information, dropped the obstruction charges, and he was still sentenced to six and a half years in prison.
Note: he was not convicted by court martial but by a civilian federal district court. And he, a machinist mate who was in his early twenties at the time with a high school education was not allowed to plead ignorance. His attorney didn’t try the “he was unsophisticated, naive, and inexperienced when it came to recognizing and handling classified information” defense. No one ever is. All the prosecution has to do if a defense attorney tries that dodge is produce the NDAs, signed under penalty of perjury, that he has been trained to recognize and understand classification markings, trained to understand his legal obligations to safeguard that information in accordance with the level of classification, has been provided ample opportunity to ask questions if anything was unclear, and now fully understands the criminal penalties if he fails to meet his obligations which he freely agrees to take on. And the judge will instruct the jury to ignore the defense; that the government has established beyond a shadow of a doubt that the accused is in fact a sophisticated consumer of intelligence who can NOT claim ignorance.
Trump later pardoned Saucier because of the blatant double standard compared to Clinton. Her personal attorney, FBI director Comey, claimed Hillary Clinton was naive, unsophisticated, so inexperienced she didn’t even understand what the paragraph markings U, C, S, or TS meant. Hillary Clinton who not only had a HS degree like Saucier, but had an undergrad degree from elite Wellesley College, a J.D. from Yale Law School, who had briefly been a practicing attorney, then a former first lady of Arkansas, the United States, and then the junior Senator from New York where she also frequently handled classified material due to her committee assignments, was according to her personal attorney Comey really just a dumb blond who was out of her depth as SoS.
The SoS BTW is designated an Original Classification Authority. The DoS produces original intelligence via its Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR). No one expects the SoS to actually decide the classification of that original intel; she can delegate the day-to-day responsibility to a subordinate. But by law she was required to know how to do it (it’s not hard; I never went to Yale but this Sailor knows how it’s done). And other Secretaries of States, such as Colin Powell, did assume the responsibility to act as the OCA when drafting memos for the President.
So the Secretary of State is required by law to be more sophisticated when it comes to the collection, retention, dissemination, and safeguarding of national security information than a Navy Machinist Mate with a H.S. degree. But according to the government Saucier was the criminal genius, but HRC was according to her personal attorney/FBI Director Comey just a dumbshit who shouldn’t be held accountable. She was merely careless.
The fact she went to all the trouble of having unauthorized, uncleared private contractors build her private basement server which could have no other purpose than evade the law screams intent. A drunken ape with a law degree scrawled in cardboard by an elephant trained to use a paintbrush could have proven intent. But not Comey, who just couldn’t see intent but only innocent mistakes by someone who should have been declared incompetent and committed to a mental institution (instead of being advertised as the most accomplished and experienced person ever to run for president).
Then of course Comey had personally taken charge of the investigation. He claimed at the time he announced his decision not to prosecute (which wasn’t properly the FBI director/Clinton family attorney’s call) that he considered the scope of his investigation very narrow. Only investigate violations of the Espionage Act.
We have ample evidence of obstruction of justice magnitudes larger than Saucier’s attempts. We know from emails, texts, instant messaging, and notes that the “investigators” even joked about it because they knew no one was going to be held accountable anyway. One of the SysAdmins claimed to have had an “Oh shit!” moment after he had been officially notified the Clinton server he was maintaining was under subpoena and he was required to preserve all the data. It seems he forgot that Cheryl Mills had told him to delete all emails beyond a certain age. So after getting the subpoena he went ahead and destroyed the data he had been ordered to preserve.
And the investigators laughed. He had admitted to committing a crime but no one was to go to jail anyway. So if you’re a SysAdmin for Hillary Clinton “Oh Shit!” is a valid legal defense. He got the subpoena and realized the server had data he should have deleted before he had been ordered to preserve it. So he deleted it anyway.
The point isn’t to relitigate the Clinton cover-up. The point is that I’ve seen what legitimate investigations and subsequent prosecutions look like. The Clinton email investigation was a blatant cover-up. Comey and the DoJ tried it in court of public opinion and had no intention of trying it in a court of law. Where Comey’s “Hillary Clinton is just an unsophisticated, naive dumb blonde” defense never would have been allowed let alone could have succeeded, and the government clearly had a slam dunk case for multiple felonies which a legitimate investigation would have provided ample evidence. Comey took personal charge to make sure investigators didn’t even follow any leads.
This “investigation” into voting fraud is another cover-up. I compare the fact that these election officials can’t even produce the records they legally are required to have in order to prove the voting they supervised was legitimate with the records I was required to maintain. If NCIS came to me, the SSO, and asked me to produce logs showing that MM2 Hillary Clinton had a clearance on file, that she had been briefed into the programs she had been cleared into, that she had received the required annual training, and that she had in fact signed out the compartmented document that fell out of her pocket while ordering food at Chipotle, what do you think would have happened to me if I had maintained zero auditable logs (hard copy or electronic) and zero chains of custody? “I had an ‘aww shit!’ moment. Sorry guys, I brain farted” wouldn’t make my problems go away.
But these election officials who were required by law to maintain roughly equivalent types of auditable records to prove election integrity will not suffer any consequences. And a big part of it is because the the FBI/DoJ is a Dem protection racket. I tried to believe Barr was on the up-and-up but maintaining belief in that fiction is no longer rational. He made public statements to the effect he had seen no evidence of widespread voter fraud. Of course he hadn’t. There’s no evidence to review. Evidence that by law should exist just doesn’t exist. As it didn’t in the Clinton email investigation. As it didn’t when the DoJ IG found out the Mueller investigators/prosecutors had “accidentally” destroyed what should have been on their government-issued iPhones (it takes hours to constantly use the wrong passwords, given the built in delays before the programming allows you to try again, to destroy the data yet nearly all of them did it, several multiple times, and it’s just chalked up to a koinky-dink).
These guys at the FBI/DoJ can be remarkably incurious about the absence of evidence that the law requires be maintained, and the only reason it doesn’t exist is it was never retained as required in the first place or it was later illegally destroyed. When they want to be. So of course Barr hasn’t seen evidence of widespread fraud. You can’t see evidence that was destroyed, or through malfeasance in office was never kept at all.
Once again the fix was in. Anyone with any experience at all in these types of matters can see that.
Very informative comment. Think maybe CCP money is in the mix or CCP sponsored hacking in addition to or in cahoots with soros?
I had hope that the cheating was so open, so huge, and, that this type of fraud so rarely investigated, that Trump’s team would necessarily come across huge swaths of rock solid evidence. Oh, brother.
Oh, we know it is.
The Chinese Progressive Association is bankrolled by the CCP. It’s essentially a front group for the CHICOMs. It in turn is bankrolling a number of leftist groups such as the “trained Marxists” (the actual words of the pair) who cofounded #BLM. And no doubt they directly contribute their CCP funds to political campaigns.
Remember Yah-Lin “Charlie” Trie and his “bundling” for the Clinton Gore administration/legal fund/campaign? As well as for Congressional, state, and local races? Charlie Trie got caught. No doubt the CHICOMs have gotten more sophisticated in laundering their money first, such as through groups like #BLM, before getting it out to their straw donors. On the other hand, maybe they don’t need to be.
Campaigns have been soliciting funds online for nearly two decades now. If you want to contribute all you need to do is have a credit card and enter the information. Most campaigns require you to enter your location and certify you’re a U.S. citizen. If you’re a citizen you can contribute from anywhere in the world, just like you can request an absentee ballot.
But in 2008 the Obama/Biden campaign disabled those functions. In addition to getting the endorsement of the terrorist group Hamas, they got campaign contributions from the West Bank and Gaza from non-citizens. Whoops! Of course, just like the Hamas endorsement the Obama/Biden campaign claimed it didn’t actively solicit the money (wonder where their West Bank/Gaza supporters got all the campaign swag they were openly selling to raise money for the campaign?). The campaign claimed they returned the money if they could identify it.
But, gosh darn it! Once you turn off the safeguards and that illegal money comes in and mingles with the legal money it’s almost impossible to separate legal from illegal money. And, what a koinky-dink! Voting works the same way. Destroy the safeguards By Any Means Necessary (BAMN! which is a common prog motto) and it’s nearly impossible to separate the legal ballots from the illegal ballots.
Why, it’s almost like someone is doing this on purpose. It’s almost like it’s part of a coordinated plan. But we’re told that’s just crazy talk.
Oh, Joe got 80 million votes, alright! The majority of which were probably fraudulent
I don’t know how anything short of a Constitutional Amendment can take care of these two problems but something has to be done about the concept of “standing” and “laches” in the court system.
Both are being abused by the courts to prevent the courts from having to deal with these cases.
And frankly some cases should be dealt with before there is injury to one of the parties in a suit. If everyone can see the ship will hit the rocks on the present course wouldn’t it make sense to turn the ship before hitting the rocks? Why wait until after you hit the rocks to be allowed to tell the Captain, “Sir, you might want to turn to port before we hit those rocks.”
I said some cases. Cases that are important like election laws.
And it would be wise for the GOP to fight tooth-and-nail to get the country to clean up it’s elections in all 50 states. Of course that probably won’t happen since the GOP is a bunch of weasels.
“Of course that probably won’t happen since the GOP is a bunch of weasels…”
Worse than weasels. They’re part of the scam.
George W. Bush won’t support Donald Trump’s reelection:
My buddy in Cicero, NY had the same symptoms, plus no appetite last week. He took a covid test on Friday, came back negative. Feels fine today. Get some rest and some chicken soup.
If you make your own chicken soup. The canned stuff has enough sodium to kill an entire cardiac ward.
I had it in September. It featured extreme fatigue and loss of appetite, while nno other Covid symptoms and a negative Covid test. It took the better part of a week to get over. Several of the people I know have had it and just yesterday I was talking to a friend over a zoom meeting and his partner has it now. She was 3 days into it.
Yes, something went wrong: Democrats committed fraud.
And yes, there is plenty of evidence, or at least probable cause to launch serious investigations.
The worst part of it all: it is clear that we have no recourse against corruption in government. If you asked me, it is time to withdraw our consent.
Texas fought a war for independence from Mexico only when they were relegated to 2nd class citizens. We joined the U.S. because we were promised a Republic. The Republic is gone. We withdraw our membership.
Having visited Texas twice this year – each time by car one way (and flights the other way) – and seeing the people, the oil wells, the freight trains, (even the windmills) – I say yes, withdraw your membership and set an example for the rest of the red states.
I realized after posting that my comment could be taken two ways. I meant it as a high positive for Texas – nice people, lots of work being done, and poised better than other red states to lead the secession.
Where things stand is that the RINOs at every level have been exposed conclusively as complete and utter cowards who don’t care how blatantly the Democrats cheat as long as they get rid of Trump.
We readers live in a bubble.
Step outside this bubble and talk to my 80 something mom. Retiree. Fixed income. Social Security. Teachers pension. Far from a union fan.
She doesn’t get on any news site, let alone the stuff where truth is told.
Everything she’s heard about Trump for the past 4.5 years has been negative. “He’s done some many crooked things”… I pressed for “what- especially since the whole Russia thing was not true.” She couldn’t name one. I list about 10 accomplishments that ought to be salient and her response was- “well my taxes went up a hundred dollars.”
The conversation about the governors race was even more mind boggling- since Inslee is about as worthless as tits on a boar.
They own the media and therefore they own the ill informed voters. That is how they won. That is how Trump lost.
Now keep in mind- she doesn’t even watch TV, this is from just bits and pieces of the kajillion shotgun blasts of nonstop anti Trump propaganda. This is how they won.
My wife as well – and she’s a Conservative!
All the fake news didn’t matter, Trump won the election anyway; it was the count that he lost.
“We readers live in a bubble.”
Well maybe you do Andy. I live in the real world, the one where Trump received more votes than anyone in history despite the false narratives and outright lies told to your mother.
Biden didn’t win this election, he didn’t even come close. Accepting the cheat as a win is a mistake, a big mistake.
Andy, they may have had a lot of votes, but they did not win the election.
It was a scam “election”.
Any time there is “voting software” or “mail in” ballots, kiss your country goodbye.
Goodbye, America. It was a great ride.
“They own the media and therefore they own the ill informed voters. That is how they won. That is how Trump lost”
When I was in undergrad, we still had professors who had been members of governments in exile during WWII. They had fled the Nazis and then fled the Communists.
The one thing they told us was that the Allies biggest mistake was letting the communists get control of the press and radio.
My elderly mother (who passed away last year) was also not a news watcher or reader, she had no internet. She picked up all of her anti-Trump sentiments from a few loud mouthed, outspoken retirees at the senior center she loved to frequent. She would relay what she’d heard to me and my husband and we would talk ourselves blue in the face trying to convince her that these seniors were just parroting the talking points they’d heard on CNN. We were never able to convince her that Trump was not the boogeyman. :/
There are many low-information voters (at least 15% of the electorate) who are easily swayed by the media. They have an advantage from the start.
Republican’s goal is to achieve policy objectives. Democrat goal is to achieve power. While you’re thinking about guns and religion, they are thinking of how they can stack the deck and put out more propaganda.
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Andy, I couldn’t agree more. You have it absolutely correct. The low information voter, happily, I would say, was led like a lamb to the slaughter.
Andy, you’re describing my 92 year old super-catholic aunt, who watches the nooz and PBS to “be informed” and votes democrats without even knowing their stance on abortion. Loves the pope for his kindness– like Jesus, don’t you know?
Her super-catholic children, all working from home and therefore financially secure, all agree and reinforce her– visiting her with their masks ON, volunteering for vaccine trials, etc etc.
The obedience gene is big in some people. I got the rebellion one, but I think they’re 5 or 6 to my 1. Common sense just exhausts itself against such invincible, entrenched and self-reinforcing ignorance.
We’re not the ones in the bubble, we’re the ones who actually know what’s going on. Your mother and others like her are the ones in a bubble. You got it exactly backward.
How about 45 things
1) the system is not setup to stop ballot stuffing, which is what happened
2) there were some fraudulent votes like out of state and double votes, but these numbers don’t seem to be big enough
3) the system doesn’t catch tossed ballots from Trump
4) no one ever gets prosecuted
5) Republicans in many cases (NC, GA) aren’t fighting the conditions for fraud hard enough or reforming it when in power enough
Even worse, Democrats changed everything they possibly could, legally or no, to muddy and steal the election.
I think it’s time for the GOP–the nominal opposition party to the Democrats–to fade away and be replaced by a TRUE political party. Call it the Constitution Party.
There is or was a Constitution Party. Their platform was laden with tons of Christian this, and Jesus that. They seemed to want a theocracy.
Being that I was raised Reform Jewish (“Democrats with holidays”) and am now not religious at all, it didn’t sound all that welcoming.
Also numerous state sites. Current NY site:
Professor Jacobson, I admired you (don’t always agree). Perhaps your fatigue is an awakening (an overwhelming visceral sense of no “control”) that “lawyers” do not have all the answers, and in fact have created the “nightmare” we are about to realize. … I do pray to G-d that I am wrong. But if not that G-d will be discrete in directing his anger. …
One of my best friends comes from a long line of legal beagles. Lawyers, judges… His father, a judge, told him that lawyers do not solve problems. They FIND them.
“… and should serve as a warning for 2022 and 2024.”
If this election is stolen, and none of the people who’ve been torturing America since 2016 ever face justice, then we’re done. The political process is a fool’s errand. Our votes don’t count, so more rigged elections in 2022 and 2024 are irrelevant.
The “warning” should be that there are two ways to resolve social disputes. One of them is through the political process. To invite the other is unfathomably irresponsible.
“To invite the other is unfathomably irresponsible.” but sometimes unavoidably necessary. And if people had taken the necessary steps in the early ’30s when it became apparent…
THIS. By 2022, we’ll have mail-in balloting in every swing state as a right. Over 30 GOP Senators are up in 2022. If you don’t think the Donks are gonna cheat like 2020 to grab a super majority of the Senate, you aren’t paying attention. There is ZERO downside to cheating. They have all the cover they need from the media. IF they get away with 2020.. it’s over. There is no point. The courts are a joke.
Yep, and once they get that super majority they can impeach and replace any members of SCOTUS they don’t like. That’s real court packing, I’m surprised FDR didn’t try it rather than his ploy to add justices.
” Republicans were out-organized, out-hustled, and out-lawyered.”
…and most importantly, out cheated; always happens that way to the good guys. From the Supreme Court on down, the justices and judges were too cowardly to apply the law.
A corrupt DOJ, FBI, CIA, Senate, House, Judiciary and bureaucracy; the citizens don’t stand a chance.
Fact is the republicans were not out hustled or out organized, they were cheated. 100% cheated.
They were in on the scam:
George W. Bush won’t support Donald Trump’s reelection:
You really have to be either dumb or a glutton for punishment if you in any way support the GOP as a party. They are junior members of the democrat party.
You know that I know that. By R in this statement I mean the Trump republicans.
Except there is limited evidence of cheating. The legal arguments presented were weak, lacking in evidence and presented late so what do you expect?
“Limited evidence”? What fantasy world do you live in?
Did you actually read the Article above?
“Also, let’s face it, there were many high-profile lawyers who didn’t deliver on their promises of definitive proof. Broad conspiracy theories which might be true were not proof. Even Trump-appointed federal judges could not be convinced.”
If you can’t present evidence to the court to prove a crime no one is going to get a remedy, particular one that disenfranchises millions of votes.
If your evidence is the conspiracy theories and nonsensical gibberish that has been stated by various Trump camp lawyers then no wonder he lost in court.
Im sympathetic to the argument that there hasn’t been a lot of time to gather evidence but the ‘evidence’ that has been presented has been a total joke. That’s the reason why court judgements have been bipartisan because the case brought before them has been so poor that it likely should not have been brought to court at all.
Another paid troll spouting nonsense and BS
Wrong. Not only is there more than enough evidence that votes in 4 states were invalid but there is also more than sufficient evidence that election controls such as observers and signature verification was intentionally stopped.
If ballots don’t work then the remaining solution is violence. This is the situation Democrats have created. Now they must suffer the consequences
Can you not accept that you might be wrong? That the Democrats won the most votes fair and square. You may not like the result but that’s democracy, threatening violence is not a solution nor would that be a moral choice.
I, for one, cannot accept the win as “fair and square”. There are far too many videos, statistical anomalies, and irregularities, to consider it a fair election.
And it really annoys me when this is cast as “but you’re invalidating millions of votes that were cast in good faith”, because it ignores how cheating does far more to invalidate millions of votes, than to simply declare the process tainted beyond repair, and requiring the State Legislatures to appoint the Electors themselves.
The entire process disgusts me. There’s no way to challenge processes before the election, where “no injury means no standing”, nor is there a way to challenge the results after the election, where “latches means you should have sued before”, effectively cancelling out any semblance of election law whatsoever.
Biden may end up sworn in as President, but if so (and it’s increasingly likely that he, or at least Kamala Harris, will be) it will not have been because of a “free and fair” election.
@snowfarthing .. won’t let me reply to your comment apparently?
Sorry but given the extent of the cheating hasn’t been proven at all you can’t invalidate others votes. That makes no sense. Prove the crime then a remedy can be applied. At present every judgement has indicated a severe lack of coherent argument or evidence.
The evidence of voting fraud is only limited because of widespread evidence of obstruction. When “election officials” slick voting machines by installing “software updates,” when there are no chain-of-custody records for thumb drives removed from voting machines, when observers are illegally barred from observing, when election officials illegally destroy security sleeves for mail in ballots, when election officials without the legal authority to do so “waive” election integrity laws such as requiring someone to witness the voter’s signature, and when states refuse to prosecute confirmed double voters then of course evidence of cheating is limited. That’s by design.
It reminds me of Hillary Clinton’s illegal and unauthorized private email server. There’s only one reason for a Secretary of State to have a private server in their basement. That Secretary of State planned to violate federal laws. Two laws that come to mind are the Espionage Act and Federal Records Act. Each violation of these laws is a felony, and Clinton committed thousands. But then she obstructed justice. She had her systems administrators (which BTW didn’t have security clearances and therefore could not maintain systems that contained classified information) use bleachbit to wipe the server after the server was under subpoena. Clinton was legally required to preserve the data, and she did the exact opposite. Then she had her staff return government Blackberries only after she had them remove the sim cards and smash them into pieces with hammers.
She had her attorneys review her emails for relevant information. Her emails contained classified information; her attorneys and certainly their staff were not cleared to review classified information. Nor were their office computers/networks certified to handle classified information. If your name isn’t Clinton that means those networks and any device connected to it has become government property.
Comey would make a wonderful Democrat Secretary of State. He’d handle any “investigation” into voting fraud the same way he handled the Clinton emails. He’d personally get involved. And the reason he’d get involved would be to make sure the investigation didn’t go anywhere. Investigations into Espionage Act Violations, just like investigations into financial crimes, always expand. The reason being if you are conducting an honest investigation is that no one can request/subpoena evidence with any precision. You’ll need all the emails from one specified date until a later specified date (i.e. when Hillary Clinton was confirmed as Secretary of State until she departed). Not merely the ones she on her own decided were relevant. Which is of course why as a government employee she was required to use government information systems. The fact that she planned ahead to evade that requirement and set up her own system (note, she didn’t merely use a private account on a commercial email system because then her communications would have been stored somewhere) shows malice aforethought.
But Comey got involved to make sure that the investigation was restricted only to violations of the Espionage Act. It never expanded into violations of the Federal Records Act even though it’s clear that she violated that law multiple times a day. Nor did he consider obstruction of justice. When you allow people to control the evidence you need (the FBI never subpoenaed any systems but bizarrely “negotiated” various immunity deals with subjects of the investigation to have a look at their devices at the end of the specified time the FBI agreed to destroy the evidence themselves) and give them immunity then of course evidence of crimes will be limited.
It’s always like that when the fix was in from the start. As Stalin’s secret police commander Lavrentiy Beria told his boss, “If you want to convict someone I’ll produce the evidence. And if you don’t want to convict someone there’ll be no evidence.”
Congrats, mark311, on your Soviet-era voting system. In fact, in some Democrat districts Biden got Kim Jong Un levels of the vote. Some people would find that embarrassing. Like former Egyptian dictator Hosni Mubarak. He’d tell his election officials to dial it back a little so the opposition could get maybe 5% of the vote. But not Biden and the Democrats. I mean, wow, look at how little evidence of cheating you find when you remove all the safeguards.
Except when this so called evidence is presented to court it’s found to be a combination of conspiracy theory, no evidencial base, hear say or entirely incorrect. The witness statements thrown around in press conferences have been third party and not actual witnesses, the forensic reports have made systemic factual errors both in terms of understanding how the voting is carried out and how the machines work. This is why bipartisan judgements have been made because when you drill down into the detail the claim that there is election fraud is BS.
Wrong on all counts. I don’t feel like writing another epic. So, let’s confine ourselves to two pieces of incontrovertible evidence, attested to by the media, the county election officials, and relevant witnesses such observers or as in one the woman in question’s husband.
Case no. 1: The media in Atlanta reported that Fulton County election officials delayed counting absentee ballots for four hours on Nov 3rd due to a burst water pipe. For instance, Atlanta Journal Constitution reporter Ben Brasch:
Officials: We won’t have the vote count we expected tonight in Fulton County, home to Atlanta and a tenth of all Georgians. Absentee-by-mail processing at State Farm Arena was delayed 4 hours because a water pipe burst in a room. Officials say no ballots were damaged.
6:06 PM · Nov 3, 2020·Twitter Web App
This wasn’t merely reported in one reporter’s twitter feed. The AJC reported it as news.
A FOIA request revealed there was never a burst pipe. There were no work requests submitted to Fulton County public works r.e. a burst pipe. There were no receipts from private contractors who might have repaired the burst pipe. Only a puzzled email from a public works employee, wondering what the fuss was over an overflowing urinal in a restroom nowhere near the vote counting area. In fact, the seepage never escaped the restroom (you may have noticed drains in the floors of public restrooms). It’s a mystery how the election officials even knew about it given they had restrooms much closer they could use.
It was a complete fabrication. A lie. Who lied? According to the media Fulton County Commission Chairman Robb Pitts. He briefed the press on the burst pipe. Which never happened. Or one of his underlings came up with the lie.
In any case, the county election officials blamed the phantom, non-existent burst pipe for the delay in counting absentee ballots Tuesday night (Pitts said the non-existent pipe burst at 6:07a.m. and was repaired w/in two hours, yet they had to stop counting Tuesday NIGHT because of it?). As with all liars, they couldn’t keep their stories straight. In fact they didn’t even bother to try, knowing how cool the press, and apparently you mark311, are with blatant, obvious fraud. Per the AJC:
“They planned to stop scanning absentee ballots at 10:30 p.m. and pick it up back in the morning. No official could explain before press time why Fulton was stopping its count of absentee ballots at that time, only saying that was the procedure.
‘As planned, Fulton County will continue to tabulate the remainder of absentee ballots over the next two days. Absentee ballot processing requires that each ballot is opened, signatures verified, and ballots scanned. This is a labor-intensive process that takes longer to tabulate than other forms of voting. Fulton County did not anticipate having all absentee ballots processed on Election Day,’ the county spokeswoman wrote in a statement.”
The AJC reporter didn’t identify the county spokeswoman, but the local ABC affiliate did:
“Pipe bursts in Atlanta arena causing 4-hour delay in processing ballots”
Funny, the Fulton Commission Chairman said the phantom “pipe” was reported burst at 6:07a.m. and was repaired within two hours. They didn’t even bother to mention it at a press briefing at 10:00a.m. when it should have been still delaying the count. Or would have been newsworthy enough if it had prevented counting absentee ballots which could only have resumed moments earlier if it had indeed cause an approximate four hour delay beginning at shortly after 6:00a.am.
As I said, ABC news identified the county spokeswoman.
“Later in the night, Regina Waller, the Fulton County public affairs manager for elections, told ABC News that the election department sent the State Farm Arena absentee ballot counters home at 10:30 p.m. despite earlier intentions to complete processing Tuesday night. Some additional numbers could still come out Tuesday night, but as of now the staff will be back at 8:30 a.m. Wednesday.”
Got that? Regina Waller told ABC news that the ballot counters had been sent home. Yet Lead Story and other “debunkers” like Newsweek and even Fox said what ABC reported never happened.
Fox News Reporter Debunks Georgia Election Fraud Claims Made by Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity”
The Fox News reporter was Griff Jenkins:
“‘I just got off the phone with a senior source in the Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger’s office, a Republican, who tells me that they had a designated observer at that spot all night, the entire time, and they’ve seen this video, they’re familiar with the claims, and they said that they’re simply not true,’ Jenkins said in a report on Friday morning. ‘The suggestion that Georgia vote counters were sent home and ballots were brought in in suitcases, also not true.'”
Who was the senior source? Probably Frances Watson, chief investigator for the Georgia Secretary of State. That’s who Lead Stories, the supposed “fact-checker” that supposedly debunked Rethuglican lies about massive voter fraud via unsupervised vote counting, identified as their source. Except she wasn’t there. She was simply relaying to Lead Stories what a Fulton County official who was present at the time told her; that official being Regina Waller.
The woman identified by vote counters, the party observers, and the local media who announced that the vote counters had been sent home, and that they all should leave because no more votes would be counted until 8:30a.am. the next morning. It was all over the local media; in fact they all reported it as a pre-planned stoppage. The security video shows the vote counters, observers, and media all leaving en masse at the time they were told there would be no more counting. Yet Regina Waller claims she never told anyone to leave, despite media reports attesting she did in fact send vote counters home. And told everyone else there wouldn’t be anymore vote counting that night. Waller than refused to answer any questions about what was going on according to affiants. Again, confirmed by the media as the officials wouldn’t answer their questions either: “No official could explain before press time why Fulton was stopping its count of absentee ballots at that time, only saying that was the procedure.”
I’m sure the vague hand-waving about “the procedure” satisfies you, mark311. It’s a fine procedure, if you want to get away with massive fraud with no one there to observe.
What’s that, you say? We have angry denials from the senior source in the Secretary of State’s office that these are just rethuglican lies: “[T]hey had a designated observer at that spot all night, the entire time, and they’ve seen this video…” Apparently the same source that gullibly passed along without question Regina Waller’s denial what every single witness including the media and was confirmed to have happened on video never happened took her word the video shows there’s a a designated state observer there the entire time. In fact, the video shows only Regina Waller and three Fulton County election officials were there for over an hour. Fulton county sent everyone home at 10:30p.m. except for a few trusted individuals (I suppose those Atlanta ISD teachers fired and later convicted of falsifying standardized test results at “grading parties” have to do something for a living).
Lead Stories supposedly debunked this story. While the Secretary of State’s office angrily claims their monitor was there “the whole night, the entire time” here’s the funny thing. That’s not what the designated state monitor told Lead Stories.
“A state election board monitor, who asked for his name not to be used due to safety concerns, told Lead Stories on the phone on December 3, 2020, that he was present at the vote counting location BEGINNING AT 11:52 P.M., AFTER LEAVING BRIEFLY at earlier in the evening. He then stayed until about 12:45 a.m., when the work that night was completed.”
Briefly apparently is flexible enough to mean sometime before 10:30p.m. Because the video confirms the election officials were alone, with no observers for over an hour. None from the state, none from either parties. Just four election workers running ballots through scanners. At least one worker, from the video, running the same batch of ballots through the scanner several times.
Yup. That’s the procedure all right.
Again per the Lead Stories “debunking:
“The deputy chief investigator for the secretary of state’s office was present beginning at 12:15 a.m. November 4, he said.”
Apparently this would be Frances Watson’s henchman. Pray, why would the deputy chief investigator for the secretary of state’s office be dispatched to State Farm Arena. Best not to ask too many questions, right mark311? Best not to be too curious about “the procedure” which dare not speak its name. Especially when you know there was massive cheating, confirmed by all eye witnesses including the media and security cameras. And all we have from state or county officials are highly misleading or outright contradictory denials that simply can’t be true.
The fore mentioned Frances Watson filed a later affidavit confirming, stating that, “Our investigation revealed that the incident initially reported as a water leak late in the evening on November 3rd was actually a urinal that had overflowed early in the morning of November 3rd.”
Funny how they misled the press to believe a burst pipe late in the evening had something to do with stopping the vote count. And Fulton county and state officials claimed to the Lead Stories “debunkers” that the workers had to keep scanning the ballots because they couldn’t leave them unscanned overnight. That isn’t what they told the press earlier in the evening; again per the AJC report:
“They planned to stop SCANNING absentee ballots at 10:30 p.m. and pick it up back in the morning. No official could explain before press time why Fulton was stopping its count of absentee ballots at that time, only saying that was the procedure.
“As planned, Fulton County will continue to tabulate the remainder of absentee ballots over the next two days.”
They got everyone to leave so they could run up the score for Biden without witnesses. And it doesn’t bother you a bit does it, mark311, that they are clearly lying through their teeth. Telling one group of people one thing one day, other groups of people the polar opposite the next.
One final tidbit about that unnamed state designated monitor. He may be unnamed in the press, but he was identified by at least one affiant. He was sleeping on the job and when awake only monitoring his facebook page (or email, or porn, or whatever) on his smart phone. He sure wasn’t monitoring an election.
Case no. 2: Even harder to explain away, Rosemarie Hartle voted via absentee ballot in Clark County, Nevada. These facts aren’t in dispute by anyone in government, the media, or her husband (the words in parens are my comments).
1. She died in 2017.
2. The county registrar of voters says she requested an absentee ballot, which was sent on 9 October 2020. (Pretty spry for a dead woman, eh, mark311?)
3. The ballot was returned the day before election day. (Again, pretty quick turn around time for a dead woman, eh, mark311?)
4. Wherever it was sent it wasn’t to her last known address. (Perhaps to the cemetery.) Anyway, her husband Kirk is on record saying he never got an absentee ballot for her in the mail. And he never returned one.
5. The signature matched the signature on file in the county database. I guess despite having completely decomposed she’s still handy with a pen.
Go ahead; claim this is just one ballot. That someone with access to both absentee ballots and the county signature database would go to the trouble of forging only one fraudulent ballot.
Apologies won’t let me reply direct to you.
That’s a lot to wade through. Well I take a simple view all this stuff has been to court where they look forensically at the evidence and have concluded that it’s not fraud.
Some of the basic facts in what you present are wrong.
I’ve drilled down in to the details of what you’ve said and I’m sorry I’m not convinced. It doesn’t make sense for fraud to have taken place in a manner like this the election workers are bipartisan and none of them have said there has been an issue. For what you are saying to work there would have to be a massive national effort to both hide and carry out fraud by both Republicans and Democrats. And the evidence of this is in the main part a)cherry picked b) mis dated c) bat shit crazy witnesses with incoherent arguments d) reports littered with mistakes (fundamental ones) e) lawsuits presenting conspiracy theories without any evidence f) illogical legal arguments.
I appreciate that you are invested in your theory write a blog presenting all your evidence in one coherent post. My suggestion is this if you really believe there was election fraud prove it then present it as a coherent argument not to change the election because that’s too late but to change the way elections are run and hold any fraudsters to account. If what you say is true then surely there is a process by which this just happen. In which case next time the election process will be fair. Right now though I’m unconvinced.
“I’ve been extremely fatigued the last few days. I don’t think I have coronavirus because I don’t have other symptoms”
Take care of yourself, if you don’t have an Oximeter, buy one and check your oxygenation level daily. That is probably the best early warning for the CCP Virus.
At different times and conditions, some people are more important to our collective welfare, you are one of those people. Reach out to Trump, he can still play a very important role in mitigating this disaster.
Yes, my thinking too. Fatigue is indeed a symptom. Pick up that pulse oximeter. Get some hydroxychloroquine also. Just today I heard that not all cases have fever. I thought it was. Be ready, fatigue may not be nothing.
“It’s a dead end that could have serious consequences if it causes Democrats to win both Senate runoff elections in Georgia on January 5”
Georgia has resisted any efforts to secure the runoff. I think the odds of the Republicans winning are very very slim. Even if they did, they would stab Trump in the face as they did while he went down there to campaign for them (or at least one of them did).
Only today, just before the EC voted, did we learn how bad we’ve been fleeced (as we suspected) by the Dominion machines since a judge had a gag order on the forensic audit report until this morning. And now I guess we just have to take it while the last leg of the steal is likely executed next month.
If the Democrats are successful with their agenda, they will have packed the SCOTUS, added more states and with them seats in the Senate, naturalized millions more voters and showered them with benefits (from our money) to ensure their vote, and probably also will mandate things like permanent voting by mail and these vote tabulators. Jungle primaries I’m sure will be pushed for as well.
It feels like a very dark time for the republic, which seems to be sliding into the abyss. The only way we have any chance I think is in the states. This cycle brought many gains for Republicans in state governments I believe. If we can somehow break them out of the slumber and get them to change the voting process, and to enforce their rules when the SoS and EC’s are willy-nilly changing the rules, there may be a chance to overcome this setback. If we’re going to put energy in, that is the only place that matters now. Even that will be uphill, as any push to require mostly in-person paper votes with ID and a purple finger will probably be overruled by the 25 new SCOTUS Justices.
I still hold out hope that this epic fraud will be exposed and righted, the alternative seems pretty hopeless – talking about how we can organize to get more votes in 2022 and 2024 seems silly when we know that the fix is in already with seemingly no means to stop it. The vote counters and tabulators will prevent an “incorrect” result. Note that despite this I will still vote, I don’t think giving in is a good plan. Make them work to cancel the votes out.
The left loves lawfare and other subversive tactics, what can we do to stymie their agenda? Can we arrange sue-and-settle with Republican legislatures for any benefit?
The legal maneuvers to address the voter fraud in the election is a diversion. Trump is not relying on the judiciary to solve the corruption in the judiciary. He just went through that by asking the swamp to investigate itself, ending with resignation of Bill Barr. General Flynn asserts that Trump will remain POTUS. What does he know that nobody here seems to know? There are other maneuvers outside of the judiciary in play.
I think that the Convention of the States movement needs to get a push. Something like 14 or 17 states have approved it. 34 are needed but after what has happened in this election there may be a greater sense of urgency.
Although I have always liked the state oversight of elections, the reality is that the system is corrupt and corruptible. I think some federalization/constitutionalization (is that a word?) of the rules for uniformity is essential, such as
– only citizens vote
– voter ID
– voters submit own ballot in person
– clean voters lists prepared/completed 1 week prior to election
– Prohibition of “jungle primaries”. Each registered party has a separate primary or caucus.
– (here is my controversial one) biased media coverage subject to summary assessment as “in kind” donations, subject to legal limits (I call it Dinesh D’Sousa’s Law)
– Prohibition on public employee’s unions (including postal workers and teachers) from applying dues to elections/endorsing parties/candidates
There are more but those are my electoral ones.
It’s a start.
IF YOU FEDERALIZE IT, you only have to have corruption in one place, rather than 6 states.
How would voting in person work with the military?
I agree that the electoral/judicial option is gone. The vast majority of changes of governance in history have not involved either votes or courts. We have to accept that our choice is submission of ourselves and our descendants into tyranny, or choosing one of the other ways. Even if there are no guarantees of the result, those are the only choices that we have.
To quote my namesake’s sovereign:
“You will do what you will do. We will do what we will do. And only the Great Blue Sky Tengri Nor knows what the outcome will be.”
That jibes somewhat with a line from Ender’s Game that I reworded a long time ago.
There are only two rules; What you can do to the enemy and what you can stop the enemy from doing to you.
“Previously I have likened the current situation to the time period after Obama’s election, when the Obama juggernaut seemed unstoppable”
At times like there, I like to reflect that aging predators are at their most truculent when they know their carefully-hidden poor health renders them unlikely to survive their next challenge from within the pack; and that the Soviet Union never seemed more threatening and implacable than the month before it suddenly collapsed of its own weight.
The sad part is, the IRS and DHS completely crushed the Tea Party movement, as the GOPe marginalized it and took advantage of it…. to get elected, and then do jack squat.
Money = Power. If taxpayers would unite, the politicos would not be able to get away with all of this. Join the Union of Taxpayers. Start a Chapter. United taxpayers on a national basis. We will change the dynamic. It’s not red-state / blue-state, its taxpayer and anti-taxpayer. Race, gender etc are not in the equation (they want you to make it about race /gender so they can smear you as a racist). Join now. Tell your friends.
I respectfully state my rights do not exist because I pay taxes.
Break up Big Tech, Biden’s life blood, and otherwise harmful to human health.
Biden didn’t win. The Democrats want you to accept their lies. This election is one more big lie. There will be more. Don’t give up and don’t give in.
Even worse was what else they learned from this election. There’s no penalty for getting caught so there’s no reason not to do it again.
Hillary, Comey, Page, McCabe, Brenna, et cetera already showed that.
AG is a more important office than some realized.
Gretchen Whitmer orders state police to keep Republican electors from entering Capitol:
This is just the beginning.
Hope you feel better professor. If Biden is sworn in, it’s all over for voting anymore. Hustling didn’t matter. Judges were primed to be jerks. Election law is a joke. Latches, standing, harm.
“…never give in, never give in, never, never, never, never-in nothing, great or small, large or petty — never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense.”
Churchill. Half American for those that are not aware.
Having tasted success from the biggest steal of an election in history…in the most powerful nation in history…do we think there will be a “next time” to right the wrongs? The next goal of the Left is to permanently disqualify 70+ million voters from ever challenging them. The irony is that in winning they have enslaved themselves to others…namely China. The USA Left may feel dominant but someday …if they fully succeed,…they will be forced to heel just as they attempt the same on us now. I’d rather be a victorious capitalist roader than a progressive lackey.
No one seems to be appreciating that with GOP states there is still hope.
They can work to right the ship.
We’re not all California. Some corrections in some areas will be made.
The documents stated are meaningless, It has been for a long time accepted that one Congress shall not bind another Congress. At most it is one legal argument against another. The last serious incident of a challenged electoral collge where the House and Senate went opposite ways was Hayes and it was never resolved how electors were certified.
At least force Congressmen to be honest. Do they support Trump or not? Let us all see where they stand.
At the very least, we can force Nancy Pelosi make Biden President and let all see that.
Anyone who thought Trump was going to concede a stolen election is sadly mistaken. Most people voted for Trump precisely for the reason that he would not give up a stolen election.
And if Trump loses we will know that it was not because Democrats stole the election. It was because Republicans let them steal the election.
Trump had virtually no support from institutional Republicans. Even the two Georgian candidates, who didn’t work for him after the election until they realized their polls were dropping.
And what for? Another useless war? More arguing against antitrust laws, when we seen the result of unconstrained monopolization — oligarchies. Overturn Roe vs Wade? You know they are going to find some excuse not to.
Since the institutional Republicans did not support Trump when the election was stolen from him, I say he should do what Andrew Jackson did when his election was stolen. Form a new party. One that won’t be two faced.
Yep. Spot on.
Post Constitutional America or the Divided states of America are were we are headed.
Would hope the voting fraud, especially this confirmed Dominion voting system is using a algorithm to change the outcome.But seriously doubt the Democrats DOJ will touch it as it would open a can of worms that would rock this country to the core.
This scam “election” is more than a legal issue as some seem to think. This was a scam run by foreign powers with domestic traitors. The future looks like Hong Kong and Venezuela if the scam is accepted.
I suggest it is delusional to think we would be allowed to fix anything. One submits to the CCP willingly or one suffers force.
Will the military perform its sworn duty to protect this country from all enemies, foreign or domestic? The foreign intervention is clear. Perhaps the military can take control and divide the country into the Marxist utopian group (including all of D.C) and the free states. Perhaps Texas should be country #3.
In no way was Biden “elected.” The left wants us to accept crime — locally and nationally. The next step is to disarm us. All tyrannies do that so the real harsh suppression can follow.
I used to be absolutely opposed to the formation of a new political party. I felt it was a mistake that would doom conservatives to political irrelevancy. Not sure I feel that way any longer. We are already being made politically irrelevant – by the Left, the media, big-tech, and by our own party. At least let us have our voices. Let us not be diluted and silenced on our home turf, by our own compatriots. I was a part of the Tea Party from its earliest inception. Back then it was possible to speak out without exiting our party. I don’t think that now. We need to speak clearly, and we need to organize and fight (including fighting for transparent and fair elections). I don’t think either of those things is possible from within the Republican Party. We need a Liberty Party, and we need it now.
Note: Someone else asked ‘how will this differ from the Libertarian Party?’. I didn’t have a good answer, and it caused me to rethink my point above. So I’m adding this note, with no clear resolution of the question.The issue is not just whether conservatives differ from libertarians (they do), but whether a new party would suffer the same fate as the libertarian party (basically being a splinter party). So – no good answer to this question. If others want to chime in, have at it. I’m just posting the challenge because it’s relevant.
The difference is that Trump has a YUGE following that surged over the last few weeks as the GOPe died fighting on the hill against their own candidate. We have never been more energized and Trump has never been more popular. We waiting for Trump’s next move.
On the other hand, the Libertarians have never had any kind of following at all and are about as boring as dust. Economic anarchy is not a solution to anything. They have never been anything more than a meaningless protest vote. Same with Hannity’s Conservative party (which he himself never votes for). Who ever votes FOR these parties? It’s always a vote AGAINST the GOP. Not with Trump it ain’t.
This is a once-in-a-century historical opportunity. Let’s not blow this too.
A new party would have to be able to overwhelm the existing GOP (so you don’t have a fifty-fify or even a seventy-thirty split). It would also have to be able to numerically overwhelm the entire Liberal/Left/Progressive/Democrat side. Plus have more money, brainpower, political power, etc. And not devolve into purity-tests, divisions, back-biting and infighting. It’s an attractive proposition (hence my first comment), but a very risky one, and a tall order. So I’m of mixed mind on it. (Note: I agree with what you said about the Libertarian party. It was less about actual platform differences, and more about the danger in general about becoming another splinter party.)
Trump is just finishing four years of amazing achievements where he not only got no help from the GOP but actually had to fight through them to get it done. He has been a party all by himself. Plus his followers are legion and highly energized. Were we all to abandon the GOP and re-register independent, there would be no doubt about who the new 2nd party is (plus it is refreshing to finally be rid of the stink). Trump is the perfect man to start a new party.
You start by finding the right man. The rest is less important than you think. It doesn’t take much money to sell Trump while selling cancer costs a fortune. Andrew Jackson did it. Abraham Lincoln did it. Now Trump should do it.
It should be kept in mind that while Hannity votes Conservative, he typically votes for the Republican Candidate anyway. I did this when I was living in New York State; New York allows candidates to run for multiple Parties (an idea I really liked and fully endorse for other States); while the Conservative Party can run a different Candidate than the Republican one, they open up two risks: first, that the Party splits the votes between the two, thereby allowing a candidate to win, and second, that they might not get enough votes to remain on the ballot (but that may only apply to Governor’s races).
The latter is no small risk, either: a year or two before I voted (it’s been nearly a decade and a half) the New York Liberal Party ran a different candidate for the Governor than the Democrats, and they didn’t get enough votes to stay on the ballot.
Splinter party: If you are not gop or dem, you must get signatures to get every candidate on the ballot. EVERY candidate.
Therefore, you don’t get many on a ballot.
It’s a numbers problem. That’s why the gop and dems always keep ballot access high — to ward off competition. It’s a duopoly.
Such a great idea. The system has a huge flaw. The sums of money that politics requires. For a candidate from our side to compete would be so hard.
I hate like heck to be so negative and cynical. Much of my cynicism comes from Republican politicians’ treatment of the Tea Party.
My thinking is money, that that is where we lost our Republican politicians. In order to stay in office they perhaps, or likely, have had to tap some entities for money that constrain them … CCP even maybe.
The TEA Party had two things going against it. The first is the IRS scandal that limited their ability to function — this was inflicted on us by our enemies. The second was the grifters who accepted lots of donations, but spent maybe only 10% of it, and kept the rest for themselves — harm inflicted on us by people claiming to be our friends.
To be fair, this happens on the other side, too — the BLM has recently complained about this problem — but it’s yet another obstacle to worry about!
It’s the GOPe that cost us this election, not the Democrats. This was the hill we had to be willing to fight and die for. The GOPe showed up but once again circled the wagons to protect the Democrats.
So as of yesterday, I have returned to my home party, unaffiliated independent. I will wait there to see what Trump decides to do but as to the GOP, they can kiss my ass. If everyone does the same, they will be disabused of pretending that they “fixed” the Trump problem and will have to kiss all of our asses if they expect to survive as a party.
In the meantime, Trump is free to decide the fate of the party. He can save the party by forcing the GOPe to surrender control (and disappear) or he can quit the party knowing his base already left. THAT would be an epic moment. But we have to set it up by re-registering NOW!
Organize?….to what end?…IF we allow this massive fraud and blatant cheating to stand there are are NO future elections…none. it will be appointments of ever leftist rulers. The Dems wouldn’t be stopping now…and they sure as gell wouldn’t and never let actual law get in the way. We get a judge to issue a ruling the left ignores with utter impunity…we bow down to egregious rulings and have our lives destroyed…well no more.
The Marxists use any means necessary” to effect the revolution (defeat of USA as a Constitutional Republic). The process will be corrupted to reach the end state.
With Biden as the fake POTUS, the process will be altered to maintain the revolution. There will be no fair process to recover freedom. You will join the CCP or its surrogates – Democrat or GOPe. Any other party will be labeled counterrevolutionary (terrorist, racist, etc.) and exist underground.
Look at Hong Kong. Look at Antifa. Eliminate the local Police so we need the Stasi. The ends justify the means. Trump was elected. Biden will make sure that only Soviet style elections will follow. Law and politics are only weapons to a Marxist. 2016 is intended to be the last fair election (maybe it was before 2016). The CCP does not intend for another one ever. This 2020 scam is warfare. Barr’s job was to protect it with BS press releases and interviews and “investigations.” He delivered.
The future is now, not the next “election.” Surrender is one option. The courts are corrupt and useless. Legislative? Executive? Military? The old USA will need to be reborn in some manner. It is now headed for a flatline — corrupt beyond what can be fixed. The last several weeks are demonstrating that clearly. The process that used to work no longer works. That is the plan going forward.
Next time has virtually no chance without this time. All the “next time” people need to wake up and see what has happened and is happening.
Exactly the point! SCOTUS has given the Democrats a license to cheat without consideration of consequence.
The consequences of cheating is power if you are the right cheater.
I find myself hoping that God, in His infinite mercy, will remove Biden from this earth before he is inaugurated.
Then we will have President Harris!
hate to say it, but I actually loathe her less. At east her kip is fresh and new krp. China Joe’s is decayed and stinks like the death’s head he is.
I’d rather Biden concede, having to do with massive amounts of evidence presented him re: Hunter’s and Joe’s own $$ making ties/corruption with China, Ukraine, etc.
Concession means no Harris. Concession means a Trump win.
Not any more. The electors have already voted, and barring any miracles Mike Pence will count those votes on Jan 6, but we already know what they are, since there’s no secret ballot on this. So if Biden concedes we get Harris, and if she concedes too then we get that freak Pelosi. A lot of awfulness all around.
Kris Kobach disagrees:
Oh dear. Another ray of hope to be systematically extinguished by this blog’s distinguished lawyers who can start with anything and explain why we can’t win. How about being constructive for a change. Start by saying things that are true.
Briebart is correct and the author of the article of this blog is incorrect about how electors can vote for Trump
There is no realistic procedural way out of a Biden victory that I can see. There would need to be Republican majorities in both houses willing to dispute the electoral college vote and have it sustained. Those majorities do not exist, so it’s not happening.
However, their is precedent for members of the house and senate objecting. The Democrats did it last in 2005, I think. The house and senate were forced to debate the proposal because both a house and a senate member raised it, but it went nowhere.
If the shoes were reversed, the dems would caterwaul so effectively, a trump win would not stand.
We must take our own side in a fight.
Unusual, I know, nonetheless.
Whether Congress has any authority at all in the count is unclear. According to the text of the constitution it seems the two houses’ only role is to watch the vice president count the votes. It doesn’t say they can do anything if they don’t like how he’s doing it. Title 5 of the US Code gives Congress a role, but that may not be constitutional, so if Pence doesn’t like it he may not allow it.
How will that help? Harris is appalling and her owners, the real power behind this entire years-in-the-planning coup, are far, far worse. Biden is irrelevant, alive or dead.
Why is the burden of proof on us to prove fraud? Seems backwards: https://ibdst.blogspot.com/2020/12/fact-check-whose-job-is-it-to-prove.html
In any lawsuit the burden of proof is always on the plaintiff, the one asking the court to intervene and order someone to do or not to do something.
Ya don’t have to win, if you are free to mis-count the vote. If there is no remedy for this kind of fraud, we don’t have a country. We are now Iran.
Right. Other countries don’t pretend to have a democracy.
We DO NOT have a Democracy. We never did. We ‘were’ a Democratic Republic. That is significantly different from a democracy.
And maybe, maybe not.
EXPOSING THE FRAUD: Summary of 12/14/2020’s Reportings and Progress
WI Rules Voter ID Not Handled Properly:
Trump is talking about the Dominion audit:
Arizona voting machines being seized:
Arizona Senate will Subpoena and Audit Voting Machines (sorry, liberal biased source):
Republican Electors Vote in 7 States Declared by Media as Biden’s:
You got it. The author of the article was tired. We are all tired and they working a psy opt to demoralize us. The author of this article does not even understand how the electors can vote for Trump. Here is one more group to check for what can be done StopTheSteal.US
“It’s a dead end that could have serious consequences if it causes Democrats to win both Senate runoff elections in Georgia on January 5.”
What’s going to cause democrats to win both senate runoff elections in Georgia is the fact that it has just been declared to them in no uncertain terms that they can blatantly and obviously steal an election with absolutely no consequences.
There will never be another fair state-wide or national election in this country. Our Republic is dead…we could not keep it.
Money = Power. If taxpayers would unite, the politicos would not be able to get away with all of this. Join the Union of Taxpayers. Start a Chapter. United taxpayers on a national basis. We will change the dynamic. It’s not red-state / blue-state, its taxpayer and anti-taxpayer. Race, gender etc are not in the equation (they want you to make it about race /gender so they can smear you as a racist). Join now. Tell your friends.
To the people saying “We weren’t out-organized, they just cheated!”
I urge you to embrace the reality of “and”. Democrats had a massive ground game. They turned out hundreds of thousands of volunteers and mailed out tens of millions of ballots (which probably turned up later marked “Biden.”)
There was fraud, but there was also massive unity on their side. Hatred is a powerful unifying force – Hitler knew that, and so do the Democrats.
You have a point, there, but if fraud this copious stands, we have no justice, and we have no country.
The Democrats had hundreds of millions of dollars donated to PAY for that ground support by Zuckerberg and other well- intentioned lefties to get rid of Trump. The Democrats banked millions in donations directly from the BLM riots. Their machine is not ground swell… it’s not volunteers… they’re all paid. It’s a machine of money and power and perks.
so do we. I have enough hatred to lend all needing any without interest.
Yea, they were organized, criminally. They did not get voters, they got ballots and employed the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in history.
“Technical arguments, while possibly legally correct, were not going to, and did not, persuade a majority of any appellate court to grant the relief sought.”
The professor is a smart man, and expounds upon the human reasons as to why judges in their courts refused to correctly opine on the huge corruption aspects of this election.
As for me, 2020 can be summed up by Goebbels’ infamous quote: “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie.”
State. Swamp. Same-same.
Which is why Trump has been saying for months that the election will be fraudulent, he has lied and lied to mitigate against his own failure
The highest priorities going forward are going to be:
1) destroying all Dominion voting machines and returning to paper ballots;
2) throwing sand in the gears for any action attempted by the illegitimate administration;
3) punish those 17% of the counties responsible for the stolen election.
If we can’t focus on these priorities, we’ve lost the republic to the #MediaIndustrialComplex.
Biden/Harris will make sure none of those reforms happen. Marxists do not allow a revolution to return to freedom. Look at Hong Kong.
And who’s going to see to those things if the Dems are in total control? Not ONE of those things will be done. Not one.
Insurrection Act, suspend the meeting of Congress on Jan 6 and the Inauguration on Jan 20. That is where we are at. The fraud needs to be exposed, if it takes military tribunals to do it, so be it.
You’re not calling for the Insurrection Act, you’re calling for an insurrection!
At noon on Jan 20 Trump will no longer be president, and the military will stop taking his orders. And even before that they will only obey lawful orders, which this would not be. If he were to give such an order they would immediately arrest him.
Again, Milhouse, the military cannot arrest the president. It’s actually illegal for the military to arrest people not covered under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, well, technically the Army and Air Force is prohibited – the Navy and USMC are so prohibited by departmental directive. They would ignore an order to suspend or block Biden’s ascension and/or to arrest Trump, as they should. Any arrest of anyone would need to be conducted by a law enforcement entity. The military should avoid any insertion into domestic elections and politics. I have faith they will do so.
If he gave an illegal order they would just decline it; but if he ordered an insurrection I’m sure they’d take him into custody. It might not be a formal arrest, but he would not be going anywhere until they found someone with the authority to decide what to do with him.
The military cannot and would not arrest him. They are prohibited by law from arresting people not covered under the UCMJ. They would ignore the order, and if they thought a crime had been committed, refer the matter to the DOJ or other proper law enforcement entity, to address a state of local matter, for example.
I pray to God the US military never arrests a president of the United States. They cannot become the arbiter of who wins elections. If that happens, the Republic is truly gone.
Whether they call it an arrest or not, he would not be free to leave.
The Antrim County, MI report might change things. The Dominion servers were proven (after forensic audit by qualified individuals) showed all the programming flaws, the adjudication %, etc. One county but Detroit, Wayne County, used the same company. The mail-in ballots (for all the country) may have been corrupted. Jovan Hutton Pulitzer, the inventor of platform known as QR Code, says a mail-in ballot can easily be determined as legitimate. No folds? Not legitimate. Thank you to the Antrim County plaintiff, his attorney and an ethical judge. Also, a special shout out to Mr. Pulitzer for his brave statements.
If the server in Frankfurt, Republic of Germany, was seized by U.S. forces, then the adjudications of Trump votes in favor of Joe Biden will be discovered.
This is the report by the same clown who couldn’t tell the difference between MI and MN, and who then claimed Detroit had a turnout of 140% when it was actually 50%?
Just shows you how people can talk themselves into never ending confusion. They’ve been stealing elections in Chicago since the 1950’s. Now you know what Chicagoans have known for almost 70 years.
The election problems just get bigger and bigger.
First we have the overt violations of state and federal election law, with regard to tabulation monitoring. Then we had significant statistical evidence that ballots were counted fraudulently. Then we had the infamous Fulton County GA “suitcase” incident. Then we had overwhelming evidence that unrestricted mail-in ballots allowed double voting, out of state voting, deceased voters and the return of completed ballots, whose authors were unknown. We have irrefutable evidence that electronic votes were changed, without explanation [it should be impossible to remove votes from a candidate during an active tabulation]. And, now we find out that the software in dominion voting machines is so badly flawed [either accidentally or by design] that scanning the same group of ballots, for test purposes, produces wildly different numerical outcomes. And, these machines are used in every state in the Union. So, none of the results in any of the locations, where these machines are used, can be verified as being accurate which means the results of the election can not be certified. And, that means that the electors, elected in these states, can not be determined. This throws the election into the House and Senate, respectively, where neither party controls the necessary quorum to guarantee a vote electing the President or Vice President.
See, the problem? The election is essentially null and void because of the inconsistency of the dominate voting machine used. Hand recounts would have be done in all states. Then we have the evidence of improper or illegal votes. These have to be culled out or, if they can not be identified and discarded, the smallest affected vote population has to be discarded. This is unlikely to occur. Or, the election could be thrown into the Congress, where it could be stalled, but probably won’t. The courts will not get involved.
So, for the 50% of the population; which supported Trump and is seeing that the election was, at best, a total sham and, at worst, an organized fraud; the question is, what to do. The choices are to:
1) do nothing and accept a fraudulent election of the highest office in the land,
2) engage in legal efforts to convince their elected representatives to thwart the aims of the incoming administration,
3) engage in potentially illegal activities to prevent implementation of the goals of the incoming administration, or,
4) a combination of the above.
What shall it be?
Perhaps there is a 4th option. Foreign governments worked against a fair election with the purpose of overthrowing a legitimate President. Does not the Military have the obligation under the law to protect the country?
Corrupt traitors in civilian agencies have demonstrated that they are part of the revolution. The military is the last legal hope I think.
The top military leaders are Leftists, under the control of the swamp. The military is not our friend. Maybe the lowest ranks aren’t Leftists, but they will obey orders, I bet, out of fear of the consequences if they don’t.
The GOP is like what Mexico’s PAN party was like for seventy years: it happily ate the scraps left by the colossus PRI party, which was a one/party state. As long as PRI allowed PAN to win a local election here snd there, PAN was content to never challenge PRI’s total control over all government in the country. Because PRI dominated for decades, it was hopelessly corrupt and retrograde. Things changed when PAN was taken over by Vincente Fox, a true rebel and iconoclast. Trump is America’s Fox. PAN had a couple of years basking in the sun, until PRI decided to kill off the upstart, which it did. Will America’s PAN, the Democrats, do the same to the GOP? It sure looks like it.
To quote Clarence Thomas, Judges do not cease to be human beings when they go on the bench.
They have homes that can be targeted, they have spouses whose careers can be sabotaged, they have children whose college applications can be rejected by vengeful administrators. They have siblings who can be targeted by angry bureaucrats.
And no one wants to be ostracized. They still want to be invited to their college alumni dinners, to have their memoirs and treatises on the law published, to have their reputations remain unsullied by partisan character assassins in the media.
And yet the Trump Campaign filed suits requesting that judges, at every level, throw out the votes of entire states, meaning millions of legitimate votes cast in good faith, with no forensically testable and tangible evidence of fraud tainting the election such as to justify such a ruling.
Let’s not kid ourselves – we all knew, even as some of us may have desperately hoped otherwise, that no judge would do such a thing. I am not a lawyer, but even I know that an attorney is supposed to make it as easy as possible for the judge hearing his case to rule in his favor. Giuliani and his team made no effort to do so – even Thomas and Alito only agreed to just hear the Texas’ case.
As far as any court is concerned, without any forensically compelling evidence of fraud irreparably tainting an election to undergird it all, everything else – affidavits, statistical anomalies, even videos – can be dismissed as conjecture, supposition and playing with figures, especially when election officials offer explanations disputing or dismissing everything.
Trump could have gotten the evidence (and he still can, while he is still President), but either his legal team misled him that it wasn’t necessary, or he has already thrown in the towel and is simply letting his supporters twist in the wind.
To be clear, Giuliani knows perfectly well that forensic techniques are available to identify and quantify fake ballots. COL. Phil Waldron (USA Ret.) – an information warfare expert – identified ink analysis as a forensic path forward when he was interviewed by Giuliani before members of the Pennsylvania Senate on November 25th;
But for some weird reason, the pursuit of forensic evidence, even if just to strengthen the President’s legal team’s cases, was never tried, despite COL. Waldron’s direct recommendation to Rudy Giuliani.
And it’s not just Waldron. Here is Jovan Hutton Pulitzer;
Pulitzer not only identifies numerous forensic artefacts a ballot must have to be valid, he even identifies a way to find out if a machine filled out an absentee ballot instead of a human being.
Even more interesting is his claim to have equipment that can process up to a million ballots, identifying these marks of genuineness (or lack thereof), in a single day.
Which nixes the persistent notion that once fake and real ballots are blended together, they’re practically impossible to segregate out again.
This is the path forward; forensics, i.e. evidence. Not fancy legal theories to convince judges – who are just as human as you and me – to toss out millions of votes, fake and genuine.
So while I could wish that all judges were of the fortitude of Justice Thomas, I don’t blame the judges for needing something more tangible than statistical anomalies and affidavits before setting aside election results. It’s clear from their opinion in the Texas ruling that neither Thomas nor Alito would go that far.
Now imagine; what if the Trump Campaign’s requests had come with a report saying that a testing of a random selection of 10,000 absentee ballots had revealed 723 were marked by a handful of HP OfficeJet printers, and 716 of them were marked for Biden?
Professor, this is not over.
Northwest Harris County, TX. Just an hour ago, as I drove back home from returning an item at my local Walmart, I saw a sign of things to come.
Passing by one of the farms alongside the road I was taking, I saw a Texas flag. On a flagpole. The only flagpole on that entire acreage.
There used to be an American flag on that pole just about every single day.
Biden and the Democrats may not have realized it yet, but I think Sam Houston, William Travis, Dave Crockett and Stephen Austin just woke up from their “dirt nap” and are now rising an army of very pi$$ed off Texans. A very dangerous Texan army.
Many comments express frustration. People are pissed. But thoughts of Texas leaving the Union or some other action are unrealistic and unproductive. Take that anger and channel it to a productive purpose.
Taxpayers fund the government and have a right to representation. But the deep state has diluted taxpayers for decades to the point many are disenfranchised.
Union of Taxpayers is fighting for taxpayer rights. If the people who actually fund the government had a voice – things would be very different.
Unite with other taxpayers. Join the Union. Tell your friends to join. Start a Chapter. This is “grass roots organizing” It’s what other groups have done very effectively for years (Obama was a “community organizer”). Check out the website https://unionoftaxpayers.org
So, your solution is to join something. And then what?
“Plures efficimur quotiens metimur a vobis; semen est sanguis Christianorum.”
Tertullian (c. 160 – c. 225 AD)
Apology, trans. T. R. Glover, pp. 226–27 (1931)
I think some of this article is not factually correct on how the electors can vote for Trump. Ask them over at
With respect for the work the Professor has done on behalf of the country, I believe he is missing the point.
The rage is not about Trump. It stopped being about Trump as soon as the magic vote fairy showed up in the middle of the night to carry Biden’s corrupt carcass over the line.
This is about playing by the rules. This is about fairness. It is a loud “hell, no!” to changing the rules at the last minute.
If this steal is allowed to stand, it will say to millions of us who legally voted that we are, in fact, the chumps that Biden called us on one of his rare outings.
It is about understanding that as neat as it sounds for us to organize and get local…the Democrats now know that they can cheat on a massive scale without repercussions. With their hands on the levers of power, they can give full run to their inner Stalin, never forgetting Uncle Joe’s wisdom “It’s not who votes, it’s who counts the votes.”
We understand if we let this go…it will never be fair again. As another Professor is fond of pointing out, “You get more of what you reward.”
And millions of us are not interested in rewarding the Democrats for stealing a Presidential election.
With all due respect changing the rules at the last minute is one of the reasons these lawsuits have failed. Some of the changes to the election process have been known for many many months only to be used as a legal argument after the votes have been tallied.
Apparently you don’t bother reading replies to this topic, so I shall repeat myself. It wasn’t challenged earlier for a reason: standing. You can’t sue until you’ve suffered actual harm, not speculative harm, from these legal changes. You haven’t suffered actual harm until you lose an election. Ergo, you must sue after you’ve lost. That is not mere sour grapes on the part of the loser, that is the legal reality. Throwing out the loser’s lawsuit by invoking the doctrine of laches is playing a sick game of catch-22.
There have been multiple cases, laches is the reason given for the Texas et all law suit failing. A number of the pennsylvania law suits failed (in part due) to the aforementioned reasons. Standing has a part to play too. There were quite a few different grounds for rejecting the various lawsuits. If the Texas lawsuit had proceeded I guarantee it would have failed on a number of grounds.
I think that the thing missed here is that we have one slate of electors for each of 43 states, and two for the remaining 7. Who gets to decide which slate of electors for which states are accepted? Note that if the Republican slate is picked, Trump wins, and if the Democrat slates are picked, Biden wins. How do they determine which slate for each of these 7 states is picked, and which are rejected? If each Congressman/woman gets one vote, the Dems win in the House, and the Reps in the Senate. A tie, without a compromise, means that it goes to the House, where they vote by state, and Trump wins. Worse there, is if the Republicans lose both GA Senate seats before the formal vote, which could mean a VP Harris with a President Trump. Ditto, if the House votes by state to determine which slates to accept. Alternatively, the VP picks when he opens the slates of electors.
The problem is that the state legislatures laid our election specifics, and they were ignored by Dems, in order to (presumably) steal the election in 6 (or 7) states, mostly through stuffing ballot boxes. The state legislatures have plenary authority to set Presidential voting rules in their states, and thus, with those rules violated, they can argue that can recapture their plenary authority to select electors.
It should be interesting.
Love this site as usual…
“…undermined by establishment Republicans”
Isn’t this always the case these days?! All of the chenanigans in the state were caused/allowed by establishment republicans.
When are you all going to actually rise up and battle? Yes, we lost months ago and YOU were complicit by not raising the amount of awareness. YOU all were focused on the falsity of Covid, rather than being devious like your counterparts. We were. You?
Is it, or would you jerks have thrown out such a suit as lacking standing? If you haven’t lost the election yet you haven’t been harmed by the form yet, and therefore there is nothing to contest.
Yes it is unreasonable, two questions should be asked. Why wasn’t the law challenged earlier and what’s the consequence of the late challenge. Disenfranchising millions of voters is an extraordinary remedy requiring substantial proof. The legal case fell well short
Can you not read? I explained why it wasn’t challenged earlier: standing. You can’t sue until you’ve suffered actual harm, not speculative harm. This court is playing the same catch-22 game SCPA did.
I hope Prof. Jacobson is feeling better.
I’ll stay off ramifications here. What worries me is one statement: “So the nomination of alternative electors, and the vow to contest the electors on January 6, is a dead end. It’s a dead end that could have serious consequences if it causes Democrats to win both Senate runoff elections in Georgia on January 5.”
It does appear that any further challenges to the Presidential elections will be a dead end. How does it follow that such challenges will *cause* Warnock and Ossoff to win in Georgia on January 5 (in races where, gulp, early voting has already started)?
If the point was simply that Republicans in GA shouldn’t listen to Lin Wood’s bloviations against voting, of course they shouldn’t. The dude’s an outlier; treat him as such.
How anything any other lawyer might do by way of attempting to challenge the presidential election, how anything any other Republican official outside of Georgia might do to that same end, will *cause* Warnock and Ossoff to win, I would like to see explained.
Here’s what anyone who votes for Perdue and Loeffler has to be realistic about: the same procedures employed to put Biden over the top in Georgia (and to whittle from Perdue’s percentage of the vote till it slipped just under 50%) will now be put to use in the runoff.
Some forms of vigilance can be employed proactively this time around. They cannot block every avenue to fraud, when the (Republican) Secretary of State is pretending there hasn’t been any; no one who got caught double voting this year has been prosecuted (even though it must be the easiest form of fraud to catch); keeping poll watchers from observing is not considered prima facie evidence of fraud; and a Federal judge’s decision not to rule against using Dominion voting apparatus (because it would be too big a change too close to November 3) now means Dominion machines must be used yet another time.
Republicans should vote for Perdue and Loeffler anyway—in the hopes of running up a margin too big to steal. The damage 50 Senate Democrats plus Kamala would do is far too great to warrant any other course of action.
What no live, legal voter can do is make a steal impossible. The best a really large number of live, legal voters can do is make it too big and therefore too risky as of January 5, 2021. That’s where we are already.
There were odds against challenging the Presidential election. The challenges were still worth bringing. There are odds against winning the runoffs in Georgia. Probably not as long, if only because the trouble would be in just one state, whose election procedures are already under scrutiny—but the way things have been going that’s hard to know. It’s still worth turning out for Perdue and Loeffler.
If the margin of steal proves inadequate for two runoffs in one state on January 5, it will be harder to pull off bigger steals, in more races across the country, in the future. Whereas if Ossoff and Warnock ride to victory on the returns from the imaginary precincts, we can look forward to nothing but bigger steals in the future.
Prospects today are far grimmer than anything we faced after the 2008 elections. 12 years ago, street armies hadn’t been softening us up. The propaganda operations from that era look amateurish now. Barack Obama didn’t need stolen votes to win. Matters were decided by 8 years of Dubya fatigue and John McCain looking like a deer in the headlights when Shearson Lehman went down. With the exception of Al Franken (whose method of election theft now seems impossibly quaint), Democrats didn’t need to steal a big majority in the House and a (temporarily filibuster-proof) majority in the Senate. Keeping those majorities in 2010, 2012, and 2014 would have required fraud too massive and widespread to hide.
Democrats have barely held the House this time and they must have their two steals to control the Senate. If they get those steals, we know what agenda they will enact. It will ensure there can be no Republican gains in 2022, or in any year after that.
So vote for Perdue and Loeffler if you’re eligible. And don’t blame Rudy Giuliani, Jenna Ellis, Sidney Powell, or whoever if they lose.
1- This well-organized D (now CCP of USA) election fraud is long-standing and Rs have not complained about it.
2- Ds have to use election fraud because Americans would vote against them in numbers far more than sufficient to throw them out of office.
3- Americans are well-aware of what is going on. See how quickly the TEA Party movement rose, and among educated men and women. CCP of USA voters also know what is going on. Beating people into silence does not remove their awareness.
4- What is lawful is not always what is Right. Courts cannot be relied upon to judge lawfully much less rightly. Are applicants to law school aiming to serve as professionals or fleece clients?
5- When organizing, include computer forensic scientists along with lawyers.