DeSantis At NH Town Hall: Trump “running in 2024 on the things that he promised to do in 2016 and didn’t do”
“I’m not going to insult somebody’s looks or somebody’s dress or something like that,” DeSantis added. “I wouldn’t teach my kids to treat people like that.”
Florida governor Ron DeSantis made quite a splash in New Hampshire during his town hall.
One of his comments has gone viral:
DESANTIS: The former president “did do a lot of great things and I was a big supporter. But he’s running in 2024 on the things that he promised to do in 2016 and DIDN’T DO.”
🔥 You don’t want to miss this: pic.twitter.com/1Lduq6Jb1s
— DeSantis War Room 🐊 (@DeSantisWarRoom) August 5, 2023
DeSantis is right, of course, since Trump is pretty much just promising the same things he promised—and failed—to do in 2016: the wall, draining the swamp, eliminate our national debt, and etc.
WATCH: Governor Ron DeSantis asked in a New Hampshire Town Hall how he will respond when former President Trump launches personal attacks and insults. DeSantis directly goes after Trump on policy while reminding voters that Trump's behavior is one of the reason why the GOP loses pic.twitter.com/JqVfkeY0xA
— Hempstead Tires (@HempsteadTirez) August 5, 2023
DeSantis was asked what qualifies him to be president, and during his answer to a follow-up question, the Republican turned his attention to former President Donald Trump.
DeSantis blasted Trump for his frequent insults fired against him and others throughout his political career.
“These insults are so phony. These insults are juvenile. That is not a way a great nation should be conducting itself,” DeSantis said. “That is not the way the president of the United States should be conducting himself.”
“I’m not going to insult somebody’s looks or somebody’s dress or something like that,” DeSantis added. “I wouldn’t teach my kids to treat people like that.”
DeSantis said he appreciated a lot of the “great things” Trump did as president and said he previously was a big supporter, but he thinks Trump was ineffective during his first term in fulfilling some of his campaign promises.
“He’s running in 2024 on the things that he promised to do in 2016 and didn’t do,” DeSantis said. “He said he was going to drain the swamp. He did not drain the swamp. Not even close.”
“We ended his presidency with Anthony Fauci running the country,” DeSantis said. “He couldn’t even fire Fauci? And so now you’re going to drain the swamp? Give me a break.”
On the wall, DeSantis had this to say:
The Republican said he’d ensure that a wall along the southern border would be built, but he’d go further than that, promising the use of “deadly force” against drug cartels and a new task force to handle maritime operations to combat drug smuggling.
“Buckle up. There’s a new sheriff in town on Jan. 20, 2025,” he added.
DeSantis also addressed those saying he should have ‘waited his turn’ and run in 2028 instead.
WATCH: Governor Ron DeSantis answers critics who say he should have waited until 2028 to run for President. pic.twitter.com/G51RdwJgYh
— Hempstead Tires (@HempsteadTirez) August 5, 2023
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, a Republican presidential candidate, touched on a number of topics recently in a “Conversation with the Candidate” town hall event with New Hampshire voters.
. . . . A voter asked DeSantis what he means when he references “woke.”
DeSantis called “woke” a “form of cultural Marxism.”
“It’s about taking individuality, merit and achievement and subordinating that to a political agenda based on identity politics,” he said.
He said he thinks it is being used to effectively displace the truth in favor of ideology.
“I think it’s important that we fight against it because our society does need to be rooted in truth,” he said.
Importantly, DeSantis addressed how he plans to accomplish his plans with a divided Congress in ways that would have lasting impact (i.e. pass legislation that can be signed into law, not govern as Trump—and Obama before him—did via Executive Order).
Governor @RonDeSantis is a leader who knows how to get things done.
🔥 WATCH: pic.twitter.com/1n2yA9w28t
— DeSantis War Room 🐊 (@DeSantisWarRoom) August 5, 2023
You can watch the full town hall here.
👀 MUST WATCH: @RonDeSantis' FULL New Hampshire town hall with @WMUR9. pic.twitter.com/mAXb2QAFRx
— Team DeSantis (@TeamDeSantis) August 5, 2023
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Cue the angry mob of Trumpets.
Truth cuts them deep.
Pretty soon, meatball will be gone and you can get back to your real raison d’etre
helping the dims defeat Trump
Sadly, Don will defeat himself just fine all on his own.
And I hope I get proven wrong…
how will hw do that?
Yep, some people deserve to be called names and worse, take the squad as an example, ugly inside and out, stupid. And while we are talking about stupid, DeSantis has made a series of stupid moves. He has F ed himself for both 24 and 28. Watch Trump kicking the living shit out of him.
I find Pence, however, especially pathetic. Please go away…
https://twitter.com/MsEBL/status/1687924261397356544
Oh no, I fully support DeSantis and his unfaltering and principled stand against the gross weaponization of the DOJ against administration opponents. Wait a second…actually never happened so forget I mentioned it.
Lol take a look at the crowd
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/08/oh-gosh-pence-crowd-dries-up-trickle/
Gateway Pundits record of taking pictures hours before a rally makes it at best unreliable. It’s record of outright lies makes it completely and utterly worthless as a source.
By the way you could see here https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5949&v=1xm0ZKOZhFE&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fthehill.com%2F&source_ve_path=Mjg2NjY&feature=emb_logo&ab_channel=RonDeSantis that the attendance was better than your liar friends would admit.
Furthermore one Joseph R Biden won with no rallies and actual in person appearances being attended by nobody. One Mitt Romney had rallies larger than those of incumbent and opponent Barack Obama, yet lost in 2012.
Sorry but even if it was true that nobody showed up recent history does not imply that is a bad thing.
Danny, look in a mirror.
Right… hours….right
If you actually think that pedophile really won, you just proved you’re in the shallow end of the gene pool.
Of course Danny thinks the pedophile won–he voted for him, at least twice.
I am a paying member of TGP and they are one step above the National Enquirer. I used to believe some of the articles but over time, almost all of their “Exclusives” prove to be nothing or totally false. Their headlines are pure clickbait and once you read the article, it has almost nothing in common with the written part. They are the right’s version of the Beast.
DEBKA files level of fail.
to be fair
Rove doesn’t have very many friends
He has De Santis – till Rove dumps him.
Ok liar
Can’t spin those crowds
Hey remind me of Biden’s, let’s put some circles down
You mean the president of the United States of America?
Trump can’t even win a midterm election.
Dems stealing elections have become the norm
I guess you have t been paying attention
If you have given up what the hell are you doing here?
If the Democrats stole it 2020 they will steal it 2024. Why not prove it by getting me to get egg on my face with a candidate who actually does have mass appeal?
The fact that your here at all shows you are aware what you are saying is not true.
No, what she said is true. If we have an election in 2024, and I have my doubts about that, the communists will steal it and if Ronny is the republican candidate, he will roll over and take it just like all of the other losers.
The man doesn’t have mass appeal, and he won’t get the votes of 30 to 40% of of the people who voted for Trump the last couple of times, because lots of those folks don’t normally vote. He won’t have mine, because staying at home and having a few beers will be a better use of my time than going to vote for a loser that sides with a pedophile and a whore.
Actually, it seems to me that one of the people in Swampington that didn’t help Trump keep those promises was … Ron DeSantis, who was one of the Florida representatives at the time. So Ronny is also talking about his own failure.
He meant the pedophile illegitimately occupying that office.
“Trump can’t even win a midterm election.”
• In the last 20 mid-term elections, the party in the WH has lost seats in the House 20 times (100%).
• 6 Presidents have seen more House seats lost than Trump: -40 (Obama: -63, Clinton: -52, Ford: -48, LBJ: -47, Eisenhower: -48, Truman: -45).
• In the last 20 mid-term elections, the party in the WH has lost seats in the Senate 13 times (65%).
• Only 6 Presidents – including Trump: +2 – gained seats in the Senate (Biden: +1, GWB: +2, Regan: +1, Nixon: +2, JFK: +3).
You do realize I was talking about the way he showed up to a red wave year (ideal circumstances for it) and prevented it from happening right?
You had your election showing how strong Trump is in Arizona through the Trump man Blake Masters (Blake Masters performance-46%), New Hampshire via the embarrassment, Pennsylvania again by the Trump picks…
Biden barely lost seats in the house at all, and gained in the senate. That is what to compare to Trump because it is apples to apples showing how today’s population feel towards Trump.
Your list became invalid the day Biden defeated Trump in the 2022 midterm elections.
Deflection from the headlined point….Trump did not accomplish his core campaign promises.
Short of EOs….. Was Congress Paul, Ryan and Mitch doing their part?
Mitch kept Garland off the Supreme Court and rammed through the justices we have now.
MItch also sabotaged quite a few senate campaigns because he doesn’t want people who actually love the country in the senate.
McConnell did refuse to stay neutral in GoP primary races. McConnell has worked for well more than a decade to try and keep reform oriented candidates out of the Senate. He is the consummate DC insider and the epitome of the GoP Establishment.
Trump knew this yet endorsed him for his bid to remain as leader of the GoP Senate. Despite the 2022 Midterm Election underperformance and McConnell’s sabotage of several Senate contests and McConnell shifting him repeatedly when he was President, Trump still endorsed him.
Why would Trump endorse the ultimate DC Swamp creature? Why should we ignore this?
Worse. Not only did McConnell refuse to stay neutral in primaries. He also actively worked to sabotage the few good candidates that won their primaries so they couldn’t win the general.
“Why would Trump endorse the ultimate DC Swamp creature? Why should we ignore this?”
Because you DRAIN the swamp first, then you clear out the vermin.
And, much as I loathe him, Mitch is not even close to being the worst swamp creature. ‘Worst’ is reserved for those pulling a ‘D’ after their names.
what did he not accomplish? he cut taxes, reduced regulations effectively closed the border, handled the COVID crisis well considering he had Fauci and the media screwing him at every chance and would have done more had the swamp, in the form of Dems and Rinos, not screwed him over constantly,..He accomplished a lot considering he was fighting phony special counsels and impeachments for the duration of his term
Too bad Trump did not have super-majorities, but a seditious opposition.
Yes, let’s throw out sedition to make it sound extra spicy.
Trump couldn’t get anyone to agree on health care, the wall, anything. He wanted to do more but he ended up being a lame duck even when he had the votes.
It was sedition. You have to be a blind partisan not to acknowledge the fact.
You’re talking to a guy who probably helped that illegitimate pedophile into the office he’s currently occupying.
Sorry, meant to upvote you.
You are embarrassing yourself. In campaign after campaign the GOP had promised for almost a decade to repeal Obamacare. For years Congressional Republicans used to vote almost in lockstep to repeal it when there was zero chance of it becoming law.
Yet when the GOP had congressional majorities and the White House the GOP congressional leadership suddenly could not even get “skinny repeal” (Paul Ryan’s baby) through Congress. Those votes that used to be there to repeal just mysteriously …disappeared.
Maybe – just maybe – the GOP was lying about wanting to repeal Obamacare.
I’ll guarantee you that if they had put a bill to repeal Obastardcare in front of Trump, he’d have signed it without any delay, with relish.
You’re wasting your time and breath because the same old group will not tolerate any criticism of their god. The fact that he got almost nothing through Congress is totally overlooked by all of them. They think because he is a great showman and a mean tweeter he is going to get things done this time. He hasn’t got a single friend in DC and if he gets elected he will be radioactive to any pol that has a future. NO ONE will stick their neck out for a lame duck.
Funny thing, Trump WASN’T IN CONGRESS. Getting that stuff through Congress wasn’t his f*cking job and wasn’t a thing he could do regardless. Even with the mandate that he was elected with, the crooks in Congress didn’t do what their people clearly wanted. But somehow that’s Trump’s fault, because he was elected to the wrong branch of the government for writing and sending bills to the president’s desk.
What is his job oh sage? He is the executive of the country and is expected to be like a CEO and get things done. If not what is his job? He was not elected with a mandate! He didn’t even win the popular vote. You must be reading the Gateway Pundit to be so screwed up in your facts.
The president’s job is to lead the EXECUTIVE branch, not the LEGISLATIVE. Perhaps you should watch some Schoolhouse Rock or something so you can get a refresher in basic civics.
He was elected and his party had the trifecta. That is, the presidency and both houses of congress. THAT is a f*cking mandate.
There is a list of 44 presidents prior to Trump who all think you are full of bullshit for saying that.
Every president from Washington to Lincoln to Reagan had to work hard working with congressmen, and soothing their egos and winning them over behind the scenes and by building public support for their bills so they could get through.
The sum total of presidents who are what you described is hopefully zero.
I would say definitely but the way Trump cultists like you claim Trump has no responsibility with legislation…..it makes me question if Trump understands what every other president does.
I am glad Biden is failing on many legislative proposals, I wish we had taken the senate to make him fail on all of them.
The failure is similar to Trump’s.
The president drafts legislation and works on building support for it in the house all the time.
If the president doesn’t take any responsibility for anything I guess he doesn’t get any credit either so we should all be thanking McConnell alone for the achievements of the Trump administration, Trump is a nobody who didn’t do anything in the white house and deserves zero credit right?
People older than 7 years old only get credit for wins if they get the accompanying blame for loss. Your going by all of the credit if we win none of the responsibility if we lose line from Trump…………yes we are judging you for that your judgement is horrible.
While some worship a different god and overlook any accomplishement, as they lecture and pretend to be open minded,
“You’re wasting your time and breath because the same old group will not tolerate any criticism of their god. The fact that he got almost nothing through Congress is totally overlooked by all of them.”
I don’t know what universe you leftists live in.
The economy leapt the minute he won the election and kept going until covid ‘leaked’. Companies gave out raises and bonuses IN ANTICIPATION of what would happen before he was ever inaugurated.
Peace spread –he got Islamic nations to recognize and treat with Israel, he got North Korea talking sanely, he told Russia and China how things were going to go.
Trade deal were renegotiated to favor the US. Climate hysteria was left wanting.
Regulation was abated. Immigrants stayed home. Refugees were forced to abide by the rules
But it’s true. Trump didn’t get everything he wanted done.
He just got MORE of it done than any president in our lifetimes despite having the media, the left, and the GOP elite working hard against him.
It took a plague, the utter destruction of the global economy AND a massive amount of cheating to install the inept, illegitimate junta we have today.
Did Trump screw up? Absolutely. But he screwed up in ways that a non-politician would, the way someone who expects the words in the Constitution to mean something would.
I have no idea why DeSantis allowed himself to be nailed into the McConnell coffin –but there’s still time to fix it, Ron. Get away from those people. Wake up and smell the cofefe
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I was never an admirer of John McCain. That said, Trump’s cruel, unnecessary remark about heroes–remember that one?–meant we were stuck with Obamacare. I really think that if Trump had never made that remark, regardless of whatever other criticism he made of McCain, we would have been freed from the medical monstrosity that is Obamacare.
Get ready for more of the same. He is now attacking McConnell and if Mitch doesn’t retire before 2024 Trump will have to deal with him like he did with Paul Ryan. How did that work out?
What he said about McCain was not only correct, it didn’t actually go far enough.
McCain was no hero, he made a war crimes confession tape for the NVA and even his fellow POWs dubbed him the “Song bird”
Yep much like Reagan the uniparty blocked much of Trump’s agenda and will do the same to DeSantis or any other politician who actually tries to pass America first legislation.
Most of the big name legal commentators like Turley, Dershowitz and even DOJ d fender Andy McCarthy have blasted the Trump J6 indictment as an assault on the 1st amendment.
Today I saw a clip of Bill Barr on CNN saying he thought it was a solid prosecution and had absolutely nothing to do with 1st amendment rights. He was then asked if he had spoken to Jack Smith about the case and refused to answer.
Helps to explain why most GOP Congress critters haven’t objected to the brutal persecution of non violent J6 protesters and made only timid protest of pro life demonstrators and parents objecting to CRT and Trans insanity in schools.
It is all one big team with only a few political opponents fighting for 75 million American voters and their families.
Ronald Raegan’s legislation is the reason your phone company is politically neutered towards you and why your phone calls aren’t censored right now.
Furthermore the reason why right wing television networks aren’t being censored is also down to the foresight of Ronald Raegan and his ability to get things through congress.
He was blocked from raising taxes on the wealthy when he regretted lowering their taxes with everyone else during his tax cuts.
However to claim his presidency was a failure……in what way? He got very important legislation through, won the cold war, improved the economy, left a nation that had never been stronger diplomatically…..
Claiming a uniparty stopped him to support delusions about Trump……well Ronald Reagan won two landslide victories showing unlike Trump he knew what he was doing.
Who claimed his Presidency was a failure?
Don’t make stuff up.
Absolutely he would have been far more successful if he would have had a majority in Congress that supported his agenda.
What other interpretation is there for
“Yep much like Reagan the uniparty blocked much of Trump’s agenda and will do the same to DeSantis or any other politician who actually tries to pass America first legislation.”
You didn’t say anything else in your post about the Raegan presidency, and from that you would have come away with an impression of failure.
He had to make some compromises but not because of party backstabbing he had to make compromises because Tip O’Neill was speaker during most of his presidency, and in 1987 the long awaited next speaker wasn’t a Republican it was Democrat Jim Wright.
What Raegan was up against and succeeded against was the opposition controlled the House through his entire presidency. That isn’t a “uniparty” that is called an opposition.
He succeeded, and succeeded beyond what anyone had any right to expect.
No one claimed that Reagan’s presidency was a failure.
However to pretend that he was able to get as much of his agenda passed as conservatives hoped for is revisionist history.
The Dems controlled the house for both of his terms as did almost exclusively from 1932 till 1994.
He was able to prevail to some extent largely because of the national repudiation of Carter’s policies which resulted in staggering inflation and economic decline.
However he was still bitterly opposed by not only the Democratic Party but the Rockefeller Republicans in his own party typified by his VP Bush.
I gave you examples of him getting very important legislation through congress that had nothing to do with the economy.
He was opposed, and he won.
He had many fewer tools than Trump did and not only got the bulk of his legislative agenda.
A president who doesn’t get anything done is a failure by definition.
Raegan actually had something to say about what you called the Rockefeller Republicans and unlike discussion of the evils of government this is not an out of touch soundbite
First he had an 11th commandment that we are all breaking including me “Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican”.
Second here is what he said concerning views like the one you have just expressed
“There are some people who would have you so stand on principle that if you don’t get all that you’ve asked for, you jump off the cliff with the flag flying…I believe half a loaf is better than none and that…you’re not going to always get everything you want.”
You can’t have it both ways. If Raegan failed because of your imaginary uniparty his presidency was a failure.
I would take the Ronald Raegan failure over the Trump success however. Legislation lasts executive orders don’t.
He did have a majority in Congress for two years and still could not work with them.
I had one of Reagan’s speech writers/ researchers working for me for about 10 years. Reagan was not subjected to the kind of assault Trump was and is dealing with.
He had something called self-control that would have made it impossible.
If Trump had the self control not to illegally keep documents that he had no right to after his presidency Jack Smith wouldn’t be able to touch him because there would be no special counsel.
If he had not gone on Don Lemon to tell him he was going to fire James Comey no matter what Rod Rosenstein said (or at least have restricted his answer to “If you want to know why Comey was fired read the Rosenstein memo”) we wouldn’t have gotten Mueller.
If you had the self restraint not to hold the Jan 6th protest where he made sure to bring a group of people who he knew to be already furious to the capitol and give them a speech designed to enrage them we wouldn’t have had Jan 6th at all.
Trump would have been very wise to have learned some degree of self control something Raegan had in spades.
Perhaps that’s because Reagan didn’t preen about touching a woman’s private parts, promise to build a wall that Mexico would pay for – and fail to accomplish said promise – and then attempt to reverse an election that all the data shows he lost despite running against a guy who any other R. could beat.
So the fact – or unsubstantiated claim – that you had some speech writers/researchers working for you several decades ago somehow absolves Trump for being the self-serving degenerate he is validates his actions?
I’m guessing it wasn’t Noonan, Rohrbacher, Khachigian or Robinson, so take your attempt to tie Reagan in with Trump and blow it out your arse.
Those attack started way the f*ck before that. Hell, the communists and RINOS were trying to submarine his presidency before he even took office. He is the only president in modern history that had NO honeymoon period. Not a single day that the communists weren’t plotting some bullshit to try to take him down. As for Jackoff Smith, that piece of shit crook, he should have read the presidential records act, and then he should have looked at the decision of Judicial Watch v NARA and he’d know that according to that decision, presidents get to keep whatever records that they, and they alone, decide are theirs.
I did work a great deal with Dana Rohrabacher as a legislator.
Your mantra is to give up. DeSantis has gotten more done in his four years than Trump did as POTUS in four years and all of DeSantis’ ideas are no law and are permanent. If Trump wins and doesn’t win both houses he will be on Twitter every hour calling people names and fighting with no-name reporters on cnn.
Actually that is your mantra. DeSantis has many good qualities and under some circumstances would be a good Presidential candidate. In fact, my hope was that he and Trump would work together giving the GOP a springboard for 2028.
However, I fear that DeSantis has lost the base at least in the short term.
Trump can turn out the base and Biden’s fiction of being a blue collar good guy is shot to hell.
If RFK keeps pushing Biden is going to take hits from his own party.
If no labels can get on the ballot in a few swing states Biden will lose many of his 2029 independent and non woke democrat voters.
He will be left with the urban idiots, woke crazies and the GOPe that don’t vote 3rd party.
My mantra is that I don’t vote for traitors that side with the pedophile-in-chief and the vice-whore. He did that when he basically said they were legitimate. Now, like most of Trump’s base, I will stay home if he is the candate. I won’t waste my time voting for a guy who sides with pedophiles and whores. So the only play he has is to try to get enough of the moral defectives that voted for the pedophile last time to switch over. Good luck with that.
Yep much like Reagan the uniparty blocked much of Trump’s agenda and will do the same to DeSantis or any other politician who actually tries to pass America first legislation.
Most of the big name legal commentators like Turley, Dershowitz and even DOJ defender Andy McCarthy have blasted the Trump J6 indictment as an assault on the 1st amendment.
Today I saw a clip of Bill Barr on CNN saying he thought it was a solid prosecution and had absolutely nothing to do with 1st amendment rights. He was then asked if he had spoken to Jack Smith about the case and refused to answer.
Helps to explain why most GOP Congress critters haven’t objected to the brutal persecution of non violent J6 protesters and made only timid protest of pro life demonstrators and parents objecting to CRT and Trans insanity in schools.
It is all one big team with only a few political opponents fighting for 75 million American voters and their families.
Democrats GAINED 6 seats in the Florida State House in 2018, and in the senate they gained.
Furthermore the senate majority after the 2018 elections (so when DeSantis entered office) was
23 Republican
17 Democrat
So not super majorities
Furthermore will you stop with your revisionist bullshit already? Ron DeSantis had MANY fights with his state legislature ranging from redistricting where he insisted on a more bellicose redistricting than the State House wanted, to regulation of Big Tech where many in his party had to be soothed and appeased into agreeing to it, to the Disney fight and many many many other issues such as his choice of State Surgeon General which was very much in the air over his refusal to mask during covid.
DeSantis had a very similar majority to what Trump started with.
DeSantis’ secret was not alienate them, and work to soothe them and work with them even if it sometimes meant compromise.
He was compared to Castro by state house members from his own party during his fight to expand regulations to fight against workplace CRT. He however knew a solution to it.
It was called work to win over enough to legislate even if it meant letting his ego get bruised.
This “MUH SUPER MAJORITY” stuff….well there was no super majority when DeSantis started working to fight the important fights that Trump saw as secondary.
Furthermore take a look here
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2022/02/28/florida-republicans-continue-their-surrender-tour-and-ron-desantis-responds-accordingly-n529746
Who do you think did the hard work winning over hesitant Republicans to change their minds?
It’s really weird how you’re praising DeSantis for getting into a fight with Florida RINOs, while deriding Trump for getting into a fight with RINOs on a larger scale.
It’s almost as if your motive is to help someone BESIDES the right –as if you’re sowing discord for the purpose of wreaking havoc on the right and allowing your comrades to gain even more power.
That is because DeSantis’ sollution to what I will NOT call RINOS but hesitant Republicans questioning his judgement about changing 20 years worth of Republican Orthodoxy wasn’t alienation and excommunication but the hard work winning them over, soothing their concerns and egos and where needed granting concessions on other topics in order to get his legislation/agenda through.
DeSantis won those battles because instead of insulting them on twitter he talked it over with them and persuaded instead of insulted.
It is called hard work, DeSantis did it Trump didn’t.
What the conflicts he RESOLVED (instead of losing) with hesitant Republicans shows is he wins people over when it matters. There are no Trump tweets attacking Florida State House or Senate members and there is very good reason for that.
To specify I meant to say no DeSantis tweets not no Trump tweets.
Lol, we know who Little d is
No refutation, just a little comment from a little brain.
Every bit of it could be true, but it has zero credibility considering the source.
In other words you need to be a deluded ass to have credibility with you got it.
He means you’re a pedophile-supporting traitor and there’s no reason to listen to you.
He reminds me of Rags. Not a good look.
@amwick Not Rags, but some Dem pretending to be a RINO.
Amwick and Thad cultists like you are what is wrong not just within the GOP but with humanity.
You both would let Biden have an extra 4 years on “MUH ASSHOLE PRINCIPLES”..
It’s called having principles, you should try it sometime.
Facts, facts, facts! You are pissing into the wind, my friend.
“DeSantis is right, of course, since Trump is pretty much just promising the same things he promised—and failed—to do in 2016: the wall, draining the swamp, eliminate our national debt, and etc.”
Trump had the plans and would have succeeded but for a super RINO = Paul Ryan.
Paul Ryan couldn’t land a knockout punch against Joe Biden. He shouldn’t even be a speed bump if Trump is anywhere near as strong as his press.
You are wrong. He also hated McConnell and made fun of him publicly. He had never had to work with other elected officials and did not understand that he wasn’t the boss. I don’t think he has learned anything. McCarthy is another backstabber.
After Biden, Trump will have to do his 2016 agenda all over again, so it’s a fair campaign speech
a meatball without any sauce is unsatisfying
Rob doing what he does best
cutting spots for the dims to use
thanks, clown
You write like
a child
Gonzo’s burner lol
And “healthyguy”
I’m guessing your actually pretty unhealthy, at least that’s what you project
You can’t even get his name right.
That’s all he/she/it deserves
try watching “Chinatown” Mr Gets
not observing a person’s name is an insult
and stop trying to redefine “putz”
Trump had deep state opposition from his own side, and activist Federal judges. The Florida Constitution is a little more permissive than the Federal one.
Wow a Rongasm for a third place candidate.
Wow another Rongasm for a third placee candidate..
What does that even mean? You’ve got to love a Trumpista rithat has to use his pronouns….
thad_the_man
he/him/man
Good Lord I’ll be glad when this ends
Good point. Can someone explain how the things Trump promised but didn’t do his first term are gonna get accomplished in his second term? Serious question so assume there is a uniparty and it ain’t gonna disappear or roll over into irrelevance, that it will actively seek to block the border wall….again, that it will actively seek to block civil service reforms….again.
More to the point, where is Trump going to find enough ass-kissers to fill out his staff and cabinet, after insulting, smearing, and generally blaming all of his mistakes on his previous appointees? As far as I’ve seen reported so far, only FOUR of his previous appointees are endorsing his campaign. Does anybody in anything resembling sanity believe that he’s going to get any more cooperation from the next Congress than he got before, given that he’s already insulting and smearing them, not to mention blaming them for his inability to just shut his stupid mouth?
Won’t be a question in need of answering. The communists will steal the election this time, just like they did last time because because nobody ever faced any consequences for it.
Since you’re already given up, what are you arguing for? And since you’ve tacitly conceded my point, what’s your point?
Your point wasn’t that the communists are going to steal the election. Get the f*ck out of here liar.
Said the guy who’s lied continuously throughout the thread. You tacitly conceded my point because you didn’t address it, illiterate fool.
I pointed out that question is pointless. If you think the next election will be any more honest than the previous one then you’re beyond help.
I can tell you this, DeSantis won’t need to know the answer either, because he made himself utterly unelectable when he made enemies of Trump’s base.
As Trump’s fans have done with the rest of the electorate.
If wanting a guy in office who had good policies and guided the country through the few good years we’ve seen in the past couple of decades makes me enemies, so be it.
How thick can one person be. NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOU, YOU IDIOT!!! You’re making enemies for TRUMP.
/This. A thousand times this. Trump’s supporters are his worst enemy, worse than any Democrat or DC swamp thing.
It doesn’t matter. DeSantis made himself the enemy of Trump’s supporters and that has made him completely unelectable. Add in his statement from earlier where he basically said that Brandon the pedophile is legitimate and there was no fraud to put him in and he’s completely f*cked himself over. He didn’t need anyone’s help with that, he did it to himself. And I don’t care if he ends up being the nominee. I WILL NOT vote for anyone that basically ended up sponsoring the legitimacy of Brandon the pedophile and Kamala the whore. Plus, I’m not the only one.
That’s not what’s making Trump enemies, as you’d realize if you ever actually read the comments you’re not responding to.
You speak as though you think it will be a bad thing that people like Christopher Wray and Bill Barr won’t be begging him for a job. ( I’m sure Romney will, then go back to trashing him when he doesn’t get one. ) Or that fewer government staff is a bad thing.
One thing for sure, top level people won’t be talking to the FBI unless a lawyer is present aned the conversation is recorded.
I think it’s a bad thing that Trump doesn’t have a clue how to hire competent people, and you support that opinion by your naming of specific people THAT HE HIRED. (I don’t know that they “begged him for a job”, and have never seen any claim, much less evidence, to that effect.) Yes, fewer government staff would be a good thing, but unless he is going to close specific agencies (and he showed no inclination to do so during his first term, and likely won’t when he’s an instant lame duck), he’s still going to need to appoint COMPETENT people to run them. Ay, there’s the rub.
Competence isn’t a problem from what I can see of those guys, the fact that most “republicans” in DC are really democrats, but no democrats are really republicans is the problem. The worst part about traitors is that you get to see who they are when it’s already too late.
“”most “republicans” in DC are really democrats””
So is/was Trump. Sorry, didn’t mean to make all of those heads explode😁. He was also a FOB&H, until he stabbed her in the back.
Yet Trump governed more conservatively than any republican I can remember with possibly the exception of Reagan.
“As far as I’ve seen reported so far”
There’s your problem, you’re so thick you believe the media.
DeSantis recently got a taste of Republican backstabbing from Sen. Tim Scott. DeSantis’ answer to the question about working with Congress did not inspire confidence that he would do any better than Trump. Remember that Obamacare could have been ended if John McCain had voted for it. Does DeSantis really think that Romney or Scott will do him any favors if he becomes president?
IDK what DeSantis thinks relative to Congress supporting or not not supporting his policies.
We already know that the Senate GoP leadership won’t support many of Trump’s policies beyond the usual grift of tax cut legislation and increased defense spending; both of which will get stuffed with carve outs and pork to benefit DC Swamp creatures and their backers.
Exactly. So what we know is that the Republican uniparty is actively working against us and those candidates that propose a conservative, America-focused agenda face an uphill battle.
DeSantis claims that his success in Florida proves that he will be successful where Trump failed. I think his confidence is a little Mia-guided. A credible argument could be made that a prior incumbent who had some failures stands a better chance of learning from those mistakes and succeeding in the future.
The case COULD be made but he ain’t making it very clearly. Instead what gets reported about Trump statements is:
1. I wuz robbed in ’20
2. Media is mean to me/they fake news
3. Perfect phone calls/perfect document handling
4. Everybody in DC is out to get me
While all those things are, IMO, true except about #4, probably only 90-95% out to get him, none of that is making the case you describe.
Frankly I don’t think he can make it b/c it would require him to show some humility. Tell the voters ‘I had no idea how bad DC was, I underestimated them, I effed up but I learned my lesson, I won’t fail you again b/c now I know how these MFs operate. If you give me the opportunity for a second chance this time I will VETO any budget that lacks finding for completion of the border wall. I should have done it last time but I won’t make the same mistake again.’
Do that and he wins in a landslide both primary and general election. Don’t do it as he he continues to refuse to and things get dicey.
“”A credible argument could be made that a prior incumbent who had some failures stands a better chance of learning from those mistakes and succeeding in the future.””
That would be correct if Trump showed any indication that he’s learned anything from his past mistakes, but he can’t even acknowledge that he made any, much less learned from them.
“Instead what gets REPORTED about Trump statements is:”
Another one!
What makes you so supportive of what your supposed declared ideological enemies ‘report’?
Surely you understand that they are actively crafting news in ways to make the right, Trump especially, look as bad as possible?
Much of what is reported about Trump’s message are direct quotes from his posts on Truth Social and the things he chooses to emphasize in his speeches and media appearances.
If he were talking about things other than what I mentioned and kept hammering away then eventually that would be reported instead of some variation of the 4 points above.
Pretty simple.
Trump barely beat Hillary in 2016. She had a personality worse than Trump. It may be that Trump can’t beat anyone that is slightly less of a turn off than Hillary. I’m glad Trump won but I don’t see how he can persuade enough swing voters to vote for him to win in 2024. DeSantis governs like Trump but has none of the caustic traits that Trump has. I hope DeSantis is the nominee otherwise I think Trump loses to whoever the Democrat nominee is.
Ok
They didn’t cheat quite hard enough in 2016 and they ran out of manufactured ballots without any time to make more.
With some of his latest statements, DeSantis made himself absolutely unelectable. Many like me won’t waste time going to the polls to vote for him, so he’ll lose unless he can convince enough of the moral defectives that voted for a pedophile last time to vote for him instead.
So you gonna forfeit the election and thus another 4 consecutive years of power to the weirdo d/prog? Power they will use to cement their stranglehold on the bureaucracy? A stranglehold they will use to continue making all our lives miserable by mandating EV, taking away light bulbs, eliminating gas stoves, pissing away $ Trillions in giveaway subsidies to their donors and their welfare collecting base?
That seems incredibly short sighted and frankly more than a bit narcissistic to put your disappointment over who the GoP selects as nominee in front of defending the Nation from our political opposition who clearly hate us and our insistence on Constitutional order, rule of law, civil liberties and basic freedoms we all took for granted until a decade and half ago.
The country is already dead, you just haven’t noticed. There is no saving it, it’s too far gone. Franklin was right, that once the population figures out that they can vote themselves largesse from the treasury that it is simply a matter of time before it collapses. I’ve done all I can to protect my family from that collapse, and I suggest you do the same. At this point, I’m prepared to hunker down and wait for all of it to collapse, and it will. And the sooner the better.
One thing i will not do is waste my time, effort or talents on a guy who can’t see that the pedophile in the white house is illegitimate. Either he’s a crook who won’t see it or he’s a moron who can’t. Either way I don’t want him there, you may as well just have the communist than the guy who supports him.
Might as well, because electing De santis is close to electing Romney or Hutchinson or Christie
Yet Trump is running consistently to his left. Guess that makes Trump close to electing Hillary or Biden.
Yet Trump is the one they’re scared shitless of.
Who??? The Dems are doing their damnedest to make sure he gets nominated. And you’ve already conceded the election several times in this thread, so that means you know it’s true.
I don’t think it matters who the Republican candidate is, the Communists will steal the election. They saw no penalties for doing it last time, so they’ll do it again and probably more brazen
Oh I noticed we’re on the road to hell I just believe we have about decade maybe 15 years at the outside before we arrive. Which is also why I took the prudent step to relocate to a rural Red County in a rural Red State down the end of a dirt road.
If we don’t stop the d/prog in ’24 and they keep the Executive branch for consecutive Presidential term we are probably toast. They will cement their power into place. Likely gone a have two SCOTUS nominations so the CT could flip as well.
It is way too important and the impact too long lasting to sit home and pout if ‘our guy’ isn’t selected as the nominee. Forfeiting the election in ’24 is giving away the Nation to the d/prog. I sincerely hope y’all won’t do that. I won’t that’s for sure.
Chief, you are trying to have a rational discussion with a burn-it-all down anarchist. These people cannot be reasoned with, and it’s not at all odd that they would rather have Biden than ANY Republican other than Trump. That’s how they “think” (or what passes for thought with them, anyway). Much of Trump’s base is not and never was the GOP base; it’s this type of Trump or nothing, let our Republic burn if we don’t get our way, mobs of anarchists who prop up their crazy with more crazy that turn out for Trump . . . and for no one else for decades (by their own admission). Nothing you can say will ever change their minds. They are changing MY mind, however, and they may be on to something. Maybe Biden is better than a second lame duck Trump term of wishy-washy governance by EO? Maybe.
“”Much of Trump’s base is not and never was the GOP base;””
As I’ve noted before: Libertarians, “independents”, and proud Perotistas, and they’ve bragged about it on many occasions. Very few of the core Trump base is Republican.
“”Maybe Biden is better than a second lame duck Trump term of wishy-washy governance by EO? Maybe.””
I hope that’s just a cynical joke. Much as I despise these Trumpbots, as bad as I expect Trump to be in a second term dedicated to revenge on his enemies, much as I expect that the 2024 election is a lost cause, the thought of spending what’s likely to be the rest of my life watching the left destroy what’s left of a great country is unbearable.
It’s just frustration at the stupid, txvet. Of course I will vote for whomever the GOP nominee is. I just hope to God it’s not Trump. 😛
I’l tell you, if it’s Biden vs Ronny the traitor, I’ll sit at home and let the RINO bastard twist in the wind. F*ck anyone who hints that the pedophile-in-chief is legitimate.
That’s why I took the steps you mentioned plus moving most of my stored wealth outside of the currency into things like stored food, ammunition, medical supplies and precious metals. In addition to that, we have our own private well to provide drinkable water, plenty of land to hunt fish and farm on and we even have a fracked well that basically feeds as much free natural gas as we care to use. I’m fully prepared for the whole thing to crash down as I expect it to and honestly, I hope it does so in relatively short order so I’m strong enough to help rebuild after the crash.
What I won’t do is back a f*cking traitor regardless of his party.
So I guess you could refer to me as an accelerationist because that’s what this has all driven me to. I tire of the fight against all of these communist retards and I’d rather just have a straight-up fight where aim is more important than the ability to annoy.
txvet said:
“As I’ve noted before: Libertarians, “independents”, and proud Perotistas, and they’ve bragged about it on many occasions. Very few of the core Trump base is Republican”
As I said earlier, that’s why DeSantis cannot win. He’s alienated that entire segment who DOES NOT just vote for the R and will not back him just because of his R. He’s viewed as a traitor, they’ll just turn their backs on him.
DeSantis doesn’t govern like Trump. DeSantis fights wokeness, LQTBG, DEI, and the like. Trump waves rainbow flags at the RNC. That’s why he’s the best choice.
“Trump barely beat Hillary in 2016. ”
304 to 227 isn’t ‘barely’
I wonder if duck has his lifts on
I can’t understand why none of you avid Trump supporters don’t understand that he is not liked by over 50% of the population and the independents simply find nothing to vote for in him. They see revenge, a lot of hot air, and fighting in DC with both sides hunkering down for four years of conflict with almost nothing getting done. Every agency will fight his actions and if he doesn’t win Congress he will be nothing but fodder for the msm every night. I hope none of you are in a position to hire people for your company if you have no better judgment than you show with Trump.
Because nobody else has had the guts to fight the goddamn communists and they haven’t for decades. If you’re ok with just letting them destroy the country and your children’s futures, that’s your business. I won’t waste my time with a loser that basically said the pedophile-in-chief is legitimate. He’s no better than that senile, retarded old pedophile who is illegitimately occupying the office now.
Over here in reality TrumpBux, waving a rainbow flag reading “LGBTs for TRUMP” at the RNC, cucking his presidency to Fauci, not locking her up, and praising dictators like Putin and Kim Jong Un is pro-communism .
I’ll bite. Please list out the victories Trump had as POTUS v the swamp with particular attention to:
Building a complete border wall, mass deportation of illegal aliens who didn’t have any legal BS excuse to prevent it, requiring use of E-Verify to have a Federal contract or receive any Federal funding, reining in the Pentagon weirdo Generals and Admirals, reining in the globalist weirdos at State Dept, balance the Federal budget, use the DoJ to assist Citizens in fighting the Governors and Mayors who wanted to curtail liberty during Covid.
It seems to me that after Trump left office, the pedophile that replaced him had to HALT border wall construction. Such a thing would not have been necessary had it not been happening in the first place. While I would have preferred a faster pace, it did take a lot of time to overcome all of the bullshit legal challenges and other garbage the communists threw in the way.
As for the illegals, we went from the LOWEST to the HIGHEST illegal immigration numbers in a matter of months after Trump left office. Once again, the pedophile sabotaged things that were working, that you wouldn’t want to give credit for.
As for the rest, he didn’t even have to expose who they are. He got them so agitated that they exposed themselves as the traitors they are. That’s quite an accomplishment in itself.
Have you ever thought to as why all of the most evil people in the history of the world hate this one guy so much? Especially since you seem to think he’s as bad as they are, Why would they hate him so much since it seems he would be a welcome member of their corrupt club if you’re right?
Ahem. Your Honor, direct the witness to answer the question, please.
Nice try at deflection but no dice. Then you shift into trying to impugn my motives.
If I am right about what? Are you stipulating that Trump has no victories in the policy are as I mentioned?
You managed to attempt 3/4 of the SIGN language argument style. Hit on Shame, Guilt and Need to right but whiffed on Insult.
How many times do I have to say it? I like Trump and appreciate his antics b/c it PO the d/prog and the legacy media. Anyone who does that is on the right track. I voted for the guy 4 times, both primaries and both general elections.
In ’24 I will absolutely support Trump if he is selected by the members of the GoP as the nominee. I may very well vote for him in the GoP primary. I am keeping my powder dry until we get further into the primary contest. Let’s see how the candidates perform in debates and in town halls and in Q&A with hostile media. Can they articulate their policies and defend them? Are those arguments convincing to a broader audience or does a candidate only choose to preach to the choir? We gotta expand the number of folks willing to vote for the GoP nominee in Nov of ’24 and how a candidate articulates their policies and do those arguments resonate with a broad 50%+1 minimum coalition in the Swing States? That’s what I am looking for in a candidate before I choose.
I already mentioned those. I guess you missed that entire post. No matter, it’s fine if you defeat Trump just to lose to Brandon the pedophile. Most of Trump’s base are not really republicans and they won’t simply vote for the guy with an R. I’m just as happy to let DeSantis twist in the wind like the traitor RINO bastard he is. If you think he can win without Trump’s base, then you think he must have some magical ability to convert the moral defectives that willingly voted for a pedophile. Good luck with that plan.
Yes, I have. Occam’s Razor is straightforward. Evil is not monolithic. There are factions. He pissed off the leading leftist faction(s) by defecting to the party stupid enough to nominate him then accidentally beating Hillary when it was “her turn”. He is an enemy of and traitor to certain leftists, but he is not an enemy of leftism.
He certainly does seem to be the one man that they’re scared shitless of.
They’re not scared shitless of him. Even if they were that only means he is a common enemy.
If they were scared of him then they’d be ignoring him & Vivek and pumping DeSantis instead.
“I can’t understand why none of you avid Trump supporters don’t understand that he is not liked by over 50% of the population”
Come now, you Democrats and leftists don’t really think you’re over 50% of the population, do you?
Maybe you do–after all, you also think men can get pregnant.
Ah here it is; name calling and attempts to use the language of shaming and guilt while refusing to answer or respond to the point in an effort to not be wrong and thus ‘right’.
So a 4/4 on SIGN language
Shame
Insults
Guilt
Need to be right
Honestly Ron should have fired back like this sooner. I get trying to be the better man but just sitting back and taking it will not succeed, not in today’s game. It doesn’t show the voters that you have any fire or gumption to use an older word and if you can’t get people excited your just not going to gather much support.
God, he’s not a better man
He’s bought
How dumb can you get
Can you go for one comment without attacking someone who isn’t absolutely in the tank for Trump?
Tell you what, lets list some things that would help us define and compare what characteristics a better man would have. I’ll start.
1. Commitment to his Spouse/staying in his marriage ‘for better or for worse, for richer or poorer, through sickness and in health, till death do us part.’
2. Volunteered for Military Service in time of war
Your turn to list two characteristics.
That volunteering for military service thing isn’t the positive you seem to think it is. All it does is make you a pawn to the machine that has been destroying this country for a damn long time. That same machine that put a pedophile in the highest office, that your man then said was legitimate. Plus, that service of which you speak was as a f*cking LAWYER which could only be lower if the military had ratings for used car salesmen. Sitting on ass in an air-conditioned office, risking a purple heart from paper cuts doesn’t even register on the heroic scale.
I don’t have a candidate in the GoP primary as yet. I am waiting until we see how candidates perform on the campaign trail in campaign events. In particular their debate performance and their ability to articulate their policies in Q&A and town hall settings with a hostile media in such a way as to convince undecided voters to give them a chance.
If you want Trump to discount military service and by implication the Nation’s Veterans be my guest but I don’t think that’s the best d/prog argument to adopt. Though Trump has adopted some other d/prog talking points and policy preferences of late; defending Disney and AB (Bud Light). As POTUS he adopted of much of the LGBTQIA+ agenda and opened up Federal Prisons which are unquestionably d/prog priorities.
Serving in a combat zone in any capacity in the GWOT was dangerous. Jessica Lynch was in a Service and Support Unit as one example of this. In some locations in Iraq the primary risk was indirect fire from mortars/rockets and/or snipers. On one of my deployments we had 5 KIA and over a dozen WIA in a single mortar attack on our 600 meter x 600 meter FOB. Took indirect fire every damn day plus the occasional sniper and all inside wire.
Nothing and nowhere truly safe in the GWOT b/c there wasn’t a forward line of battle. Some asshole with a suicide vest could blow you up just about anywhere if they really wanted to and were willing to.make the effort, even Kuwait wasn’t 100% safe.
My point is that flogging his military service isn’t going to impress most people that have served. Like me, I’ll freely admit that working on jet engines I never saw one second of combat, but then that was why I chose that branch and that job. I did it to supplement my college money, can’t much make use of that if you’re dead.
Same thing for a JAG officer, they’re not out there in the mix, they’re in the rear with the gear. I don’t know what his motivations were, and I don’t really care. What I do know is that any young person I speak to now will get the same advice from me and that is to avoid military service at all costs. It’s not worth it and they’ll sacrifice you needlessly for absolutely no gains like the thirteen in Kabul. Hence my stance that the Feral government is my enemy and therefore is to be given nothing other than their IRS protection money each year.
And, like you, I was in wait to see mode until someone opened their big, fat mouth and decided to say that basically fraud didn’t happen in 2020 which is also a defacto endorsement that Brandon the pedophile and Kamala the whore are legitimate. When he took that stance, I find that completely disqualifying and I’m not the only one and yes, I’d rather see it all burn down than to lower myself to vote for someone willing to say that.
“”He’s bought””
Then Trump’s for sale.
The missile launches by North Korea ended during his presidency. Putin didnt invade any countries. It’s called diplomacy
Fair enough. Now tell us what China did during the Trump Admin and let’s see how.far his diplomacy went in curbing ambitions.
Did you mean when they were coming to the table seeking a new trade deal because the tarriffs were applying pressure in the right places?
No, when they were militarizing artificial islands in the S. China Sea.
Seems to me that was a carryover from that traitor Obastard’s terrible time in office.
The islands were constructed during Obama’s term. They were militarized while Trump was in office – and the fact that they were begun under Obama doesn’t mean that Trump “the diplomat” shouldn’t have done something about them.
No I was referring to military issues b/c that was the subject of the prior post re Putin and Ukraine and N Korea.
In 2017 China made an incursion into Bhutan. in 2017 China infringed or really continued to infringe into the Indian province of Arunachul Pradesh, building more forward support infrastructure to help facilitate a larger invasion into India. Primary this was motorized roadways, some track laying and construction of helipad(s).
In 2019 the US Tariffs led to a souring of China and they stepped up provocative acts in the Taiwan Straits and S China Sea.
In 2020 from May through the end of the year China and India had series of clashes and skirmishes along the border including KIA and WIW on both sides along with prisoners taken by both belligerent Nations.
Is Bhutan our ally? If so, I’ve never heard anything about an alliance with that backwater. As for India, they’re handling it just fine on their own, and I’m not aware of a military alliance with them either. So, if we don’t have entangling alliances in those places and we haven’t butted into other people’s issues, I’d say he did the right thing.
Ironclaw
Kak185 was making the argument that Trump’s Diplomatic overtures prevented military incursions and provocative acts by totalitarian regimes.
He listed the absence of Putin /invasion Ukraine and NK Missile launch as examples of how Trump’s Diplomacy was effective.
You butted in and tried to insert trade and China into the mix. I countered with examples of China not being deterred from taking the military actions they thought appropriate.
The issue here is the level of effectiveness of Trump’s diplomatic policy in preventing military action by dictators and totalitarian regimes.
As the examples I provided show his diplomacy, while largely effective, wasn’t a cure all for preventing conflict even with our primary strategic adversary, China.
He should have confirmed the pedophile-in-chief’s legitimacy sooner? Then he’d simply have failed sooner.
No, I was referring to Desantis finally hitting back against some of the constant jabs Trump has been directing at him. As far as Joe goes: at this point I think the best we can hope for is waking up tomorrow to headlines that he has passed away in his sleep. That’s probably the only way we’re getting him out of the White House before his term is up.
Ronny’s big problem is that the only way he gets the nomination is to run over the guy who enjoys majority support in the party. Doing so will make him much more in the way of enemies than it will friends. In other words, he makes himself less electable by going after the guy enjoys that majority support because that guy’s supporters won’t switch their loyalty. They would do so if the torch were passed voluntarily, but not if it is taken by force. So unless Ronny thinks he can get enough moral degenerates that voted for Brandon the pedophile the last time to switch over to him, then he will win the battle and go on to lose the war.
I know, I’m one of those folks that wont switch. DeSantis has already basically said he thinks the pedophile in the white house was elected legitimately and therefore I won’t support him. Not only won’t I support him, I won’t even bother to go vote for him. I won’t even bother to fill out a mail-in ballot for him. I wouldn’t walk across the street to piss on him if he were on fire. A guy who spoke to the legitimacy of Brandon the pedophile is worth less to me than Brandon himself.
Get it?
Do people actually believe that DeSantis is the proper leader because of his personality: his charm? Despite having control of both houses Trump needed to use executive action because house speaker Paul Ryan and Senate leader Mitch McConnell fought him tooth and nail on just about everything. Even John McCain prevented the end of Obamacare with his vote.. Kinetic battles fought by our beloved country were not won on suave and debonair leaders. They were won by the likes of George S Patton. Trump has not the ability to tell our foreign and domestic enemies to go to hell while convincing them look forward to the trip. Trump simply tells them to go to hell.
The sad truth is that our problems can’t be solved by the electoral process. Hell, 60% of our country think cheating changed the outcome of an election. How do you keep on like that?
Then… your solution is to abandon the Constitution and representative government and just re-elect a dictator.
Oh, the guy who had a dictator’s wet dream in front of him during covid with all of those emergency powers and DID NOT act like a dictator? Need I contrast that with the pedophile who replaced him then MANDATING people to take a medical intervention that was both experimental and poorly tested and which ultimately turned out to also be ineffective? Need I point out that a dictator mandated medical interventions of people whether they wanted or needed them, a thing Trump never even came close to.
So tell me, who is it that abandoned the Constitution (which recognizes our individual rights) and representative government and acted like a dictator? It wasn’t Trump, it was the pedophile you seem to support and that DeSantis seems to have endorsed the legitimacy of.
“”it was the pedophile you seem to support””
Why is it that you Trumpbots always have to end your stream of lies with the big one? You know for absolute fact that nobody (well, except for a couple of trolls) supports anything the current administration does.
TRUMP acted like a dictator when he tried to rule by decree instead of by law, and as with all dictators, when he got overthrown, his replacement threw out all of his decrees and issued his own. Now, you want to re-install Trump so he can do the same thing. Nothing constitutional about any of it.
And, since you brought it up, it was because of Trump’s push that the “experimental and poorly tested” drugs were unleashed on the public, even though it happened after he lost.
Either you can get on-side or you can help the pedophile win. Those are your choices and you appear to have chosen the same pedophile that your man endorsed.
And no, Trump REFUSED to act like a dictator when that choice was laid at his feet. He did not mandate ANYTHING. He did not mandate worthless masks. He did not mandate the quarantining of the healthy rather than the sick, that was State governors including your guy who endorsed the pedophile. He did not ever mention, even in passing, the idea of mandating the worthless fake “vaccination” that the pedophile then did go on to mandate like the fascist he is.
He did utilize executive orders which every single president including George Washington has done, and did that in furtherance of keeping the promises that got him elected.
Now, as for the fake “vaccines.” Unfortunately we did not elect an epidemiologist or a vaccinologist. So he did clear a path for them to get a cure out. Unfortunately, they did not do so. His brilliant job running blocking didn’t turn out to be for the guy with a ball, that guy was running a turd. Unfortunate, but hardly a thing he was equipped or trained to know. Like all people put into that office, all he can do is rely on the expertise of people who do have that training and they lied to him. I can’t fault someone for being lied to, but you certainly seem prepared to do so.
As for your support of the pedophile-in-chief, it’s the rational and logical conclusion to why you would denegrate the one candidate that the communists themselves seem to fear the most.
He governed by diktat. That’s what dictators do.
Yep. And we all saw it was wrong when Obama did it, but for some reason, the same exact thing is fine with Only Trumpers.
They really have no logic to their stance because anything they claim to hate about DeSantis (or anyone else) is something that Trump did. They wail about DeSantis having billionaire backers, but they are the exact same backers who supported Trump. They wail about Rove and Bush, Inc. being involved with DeSantis’ campaign (and they’re actually not in any way involved), but they excuse Trump hiring Rove and Bush world operatives in New Hampshire and elsewhere.
Pretty much any complaint they have about DeSantis is something that Trump did, does, and will do again. But they want us to believe they have legit reasons for rejecting DeSantis. They clearly do not. It’s just all about Trump for them. Who knows why or what they imagine he will magically do if he wins the general (which he won’t).
It could be fairly argued that Trump outsourced his opportunity for dictatorship to Fauci and his totalitarian brethren in Gov Mansions and Mayor’s offices around the Nation.
Trump certainly didn’t use his office to stand in between the Covid totalitarianism and the American People.
He used executive orders just like every president in history has, that is not governing by diktat. In fact, when there were court decisions against him, he actually obeyed those decisions rather than acting like a dictator would have and ignoring them. You really do seem to have mixed up Trump with Brandon the pedophile.
Jeez. Talk about a false dichotomy.
Try reading more of the Constitution than the 2nd Amendment.
60% think that because cheating DID change the outcome of an election. That’s why we have a pedophile in the oval.
Since you’ve been repeating the same bullshit in comment after comment, I’ll address it. Once. It doesn’t matter how he got there, and I completely agree that the election was stolen. Biden was administered the oath of office on January 20th. Once he took the oath, he was and is the legitimate president, whether you agree or not, and all of the legislation he signed is law (as are his EO’s, until somebody else is elected to throw them out, as he did Trump’s). And also, since you keep repeating it, nobody cares what you’ll do in the unlikely event that Trump loses the nomination. Like most of your cult friends who’ve also declared themselves “OnlyTrumpers”, nobody expects you to vote for anybody else in the general election, unless it’s for a Democrat. That’s the Perotista way.
Your pedophile is not legitimate and I will NEVER treat him as such. Consent of the governed and all, and I never consented to be governed by a pedophile or a traitor and Brandon is both.
And, as far as the general goes, I’m perfectly happy to let your worthless RINO bastard lose. It would serve you right to have Brandon the pedophile destroy you since you seem to supportive of him. I’ll happily hunker down and weather that storm as best I can while the whole damn thing collapses.
I’m pretty much done with your crazy. Stop with the ad hominem.
Perhaps you should look up what an executive order really does.
According to the American Bar Associaton:
An executive order is a signed, written, and published directive from the President of the United States that manages operations of the federal government. They are numbered consecutively, so executive orders may be referenced by their assigned number, or their topic.
So, executive orders are binding on THE GOVERNMENT. See, I am a citizen and not at all bound by things that only bind the government
So your pedophile-in-chief can write all of the executive orders he wants and not a goddamn one of them will be binding on me. Presidents can’t create laws, or did you never take a basic civics course, that’s the job of the legislature.
” Biden was administered the oath of office on January 20th. Once he took the oath, he was and is the legitimate president, whether you agree or not, ”
….and Lia Thomas is a championship female swimmer.
The reason we are even having this conversation is because of people like you–
‘well, the cheater went through the ceremony the legitimate winner would have, so they’re the winner now’
Taking the oath is not what makes you president. Winning the election is. Joe didn’t win,
And it shows.
It shows in him. It shows in the people who put him in office, how they suppress and oppress any and all who question Joe’s victory
But most bizarre, is that it shows in nevertrumpers, who provide loud guilty affirmations of the honesty of the election.
He didn’t fight ‘Tooth and Nail’. He had the power of the VETO. He did not use that Veto power at all during the 115th Congress, when the GoP had the majority in the HoR and Senate, not even once.
By contrast Trump used the power of the VETO ten times in 116th Congress when the HoR was under Pelosi and the d/prog and McConnell/GoP retained a Senate majority. His ten uses of the VETO power was only overridden once; the ’21 National Defense Authorization.
This demonstrates two things; first the difficulty of Congress in overcoming a Presidential VETO (even Trump Veto was sustained 90%), second it demonstrates the lack of willingness to use this VETO v Ryan and McConnell in the 115th Congress.
Trump didn’t use the most powerful tool at his disposal the Presidential VETO, ergo he didn’t ‘fight tooth and nail’.
Spot on
There’s a reason they took Patton out of action, the news reporter couldn’t wait to put that picture of him and the soldier on the front page
War is hell and we needed him but the commies were already in place in America
The commies are in every facet of our government and NGO
We don’t need nice tweets
We need a War President
If that is so then we should select as a ‘war time’ President a candidate who actually wore the uniform during war time and not someone who couldn’t be bothered to volunteer to serve in some capacity in uniform during his generation’s war.
Oh, yes, we need a f*cking WAR LAWYER like DeSantis… Stop flogging the military service thing. It may have been honorable at one point in history, it stopped being so back around the time McCain collaborated with the Vietnamese in order to propagandize the troops who were supposed to be his brothers in arms. There is no honor in serving the same machine that has been working to destroy our republic for as long as I’ve been alive.
Huh. I.didn’t realize my service to the Nation wasn’t honorable due to McCain. Is Trump gonna pick up and promote this as his newest talking point?
I ask b/c you won’t shut up about it but maybe that’s just to provide an excuse so y’all can rationalize why Trump didn’t serve in generation’s war; Vietnam?
Chief, you’re a lot more even tempered than I am. I couldn’t even get myself to respond to this lying sack of shit.
Funny that McCain collaborated with the enemy to propagandize our troops and then was never punished for it.
And as for why Trump didn’t serve? I don’t give a shit, I already told you that making yourself a pawn to the corrupt shitbags isn’t impressive and it isn’t honorable. It’s just a waste.
txvet2,
I learned that even tempered trick from the movie ‘Roadhouse’; ‘be nice, until it’s time to not be nice’. /S?
Man you guys are something… look, after we get the candidate we gotta unite. Period.
Ironclaw your posts are good and make me laugh, but this is how the shit works, we fight now, and we then unite against them.
Because this is how they clean our clocks, they tend to keep in lockstep (like the fascist assholes they are) and we lose, especially when you add in the cheating….
Trump showed us how to fight, but now has huge baggage, most of it unfair. And DeSantis is a real fighter, we have to admit. He didn’t defend Trump like he probably should or could have…. so we’re going to trash the Republic for that?
Like hell, DeSantis basically said that Brandon the pedophile is legitimate and that there was no fraud. I cannot and will not support someone who takes that position because either he’s corrupt enough that he sees advantage in it or he’s so stupid he just can’t see it. If you’re for Brandon the pedophile, I’m against you, period.
I won’t just vote party, and I never have. I’ve skipped voting in more elections than I’ve participated in because I could not simply pull the lever for the letter after the guy’s name.
I voted for Perot because the guy who said “Read my lips, no new taxes” then signed a bill to have the government steal more from me in taxes.
I voted against Dole the RINO piece of shit because as a Kansan at the time, I knew what a worthless piece of shit he was.
I refused to vote for W, twice, because I couldn’t see even one good property in the man, and I still can’t.
I refused to vote for Songbird McCain, the traitor that collaborated withe the Vietnamese against the men who were supposed to be his brothers in arms.
I refused to vote for Romney the RINO piece of shit because the flip-flopping idiot couldn’t have inspired a teenage girl to go shopping.
When next November rolls around, if the candidate is DeSantis, I will happily stay at home and let him twist in the wind with his support of Brandon the pedophile and Kamala the whore. I have no use for people who don’t have enough balls to at minimum speak the truth.
Besides, there is no saving the republic. That time is long past, and it might have been too late even in 2016 which I really thought was our last chance. The worst people in our society have figured out that they can vote themselves largesse from the treasury, so the collapse is imminent. I’ve taken all of the steps I can come up with to insulate my loved ones from the coming collapse and I suggest you do so for yours as best you can. The only thing I want at this point is for it to come on fast and happen quickly enough that I can assist my family with the rebuilding. That, and lots of ammo to make sure there are no communists left to sabotage what comes next.
“I voted for Perot because the guy who said “Read my lips, no new taxes” then signed a bill to have the government steal more from me in taxes.”
You didn’t vote for Perot. You voted for Clinton –the way you were made to.
Bush was fighting for his tax bill and getting threatened. They closed the government. They blamed him they did all sorts of crap. They demanded he raise taxes.
And finally, in exchange for something else he wanted, he gave in and did what they asked –and the second he did, after this long battle in the media, demanding, begging, cajoling him to accede to their demands.
And what happened?
Within seconds he was branded a betrayer of his party -not by the people in his party, but by the left and the Dems who’d been demanding that he do what he just did for months.
Perot rode to popularity on the strength of this –a Democrat ploy.
Because that’s what Perot was, a Democrat ploy designed to split the vote.
There’s a lesson to be learned there, when you say no new taxes you better Goddamn not sign a new tax law. People on the right hate being lied to
I just saw this on twitter.. Sneaking it here on the bottom..
https://twitter.com/dakota_blessing/status/1688164819034075136?s=20
And for once “d” was right
Well, that beats your record.
Ron had better steer clear of Walmarts.
Fuzzy is trying to resurrect a dead campaign with this sill puff piece
Ron lost my vote when he showed what a pussy he is when he backed down from sending illegal to Martha’s Vineyard because NYT and WAPO yelled at him
But you’re good with Trump failing to “open by Easter” because the NYT and WaPo yelled at him? Weird.
Why is it that you equate a president following the advice of his advisors with a guy who acted out of sheer cowardice because of scoldings from the press?
Besides, each State had to make their own decision about when and how to open. Some did quickly and others are still not quite there. The president never had the authority to do that in the first place, though his voicing of that aspirational goal was the right thing at the time.
Your two paragraph response did not answer her question.
She didn’t ask a question.
And yes, I actually did address that. The president does not and never did have the authority to order the opening of the States. When he talked of opening by Easter, that was an aspirational statement, but just as he never had the authority to force it, he never tried to.
Trump was firmly against Brian Kemp reopening Georgia.
If you think the U.S. Federal Government had no influence over states your a fool plain and simple.
Tell me, did he stop Kemp? Because I don’t remember that happening. No, I’m pretty sure he didn’t.
And as far as influence goes, the Feral government has influence in one way that rally counts, when Congress allocates funds that the executive can distribute. They weren’t going to do that for him, the House was in communist hands if I recall.
“He’s running in 2024 on the things that he promised to do in 2016 and didn’t do,” DeSantis said. “He said he was going to drain the swamp. [2) Build the wall, 3) Lock-up Hillary, and 4) Eliminate national debt.]” — DeSantis
“DeSantis is right, of course, since Trump is pretty much just promising the same things he promised—and failed—to do in 2016: the wall, draining the swamp, eliminate our national debt, and etc.” — Fuzzy Slippers
I. I will vote for the candidate that wins the Republican nomination – Trump, DeSantis, … – in part because history shows that that is the best candidate for the general election (i.e., no examples over past 20 elections that the 2nd place Republican primary candidate could have won the general election).
But for the life of me I can not understand how some of DeSantis’ most ardent supporters expect to win over others when they: a) Will not acknowledge Trump’ tremendous successes as President, and b) Try to measure his successes against campaign goals that Trump did not set for himself.
II. Trump’ 2016 Campaign Goals
Have not found a single source – other than DeSantis or some of his supporters – that claim that Trump’ 2016 campaign goals included:
• Drain the swamp
• Lock-up Hillary
• Eliminate the national debt
https://www.wmur.com/article/ron-desantis-new-hampshire-town-hall/44737596
Even the most partisan organizations – like PolitiFact’s – did not make those claims.
A) Trump won the nomination in July of 2016, and this is the list of campaign promises that PolitiFact – purports to be a neutral fact-checking website but in fact leans heavily to the left – compiled in July 2016:
**1. ‘Build a wall’ — and make Mexico pay for it
2. Temporarily ban Muslims from entering the United States
**3. ‘Bring manufacturing (jobs) back’
**4. Impose tariffs on goods made in China and Mexico
**5. Renegotiate or withdraw from the North American Free Trade Agreement and Trans-Pacific Partnership
**6. ‘Full repeal of Obamacare’ and replace it with a market-based alternative
7. Renegotiate the Iran deal
8. Leave Social Security as is
**9. Cut taxes
10. ‘Bomb’ and/or ‘take the oil’ from ISIS
https://www.politifact.com/article/2016/jul/15/donald-trumps-top-10-campaign-promises/
B) This is the list PolitiFact complied in Jan 2021:
**1. Build a wall, and make Mexico pay for it
**2. Repeal Obamacare
**3. Bring back manufacturing
4. Grow the economy by 4% a year
**5. Cut taxes for everyone
6. Terminate Barack Obama’s immigration executive orders ‘immediately’
7. Nominate someone from his list of justices to replace Antonin Scalia
**8. Renegotiate NAFTA
**9. Raise tariffs on goods imported into the U.S.
10. Move U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv to Jerusalem
11. Cancel the Paris climate agreement
C) Ballotpedia compiled a comprehensive list for the 2016 election.
Focal points of Trump’s campaign included:
1) strengthening U.S. immigration laws,
2) renegotiating or withdrawing from international trade deals,
3) a more aggressive foreign policy in the Middle East,
4) lowering taxes, and
5) repealing financial and environmental regulations.
https://ballotpedia.org/Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign,_2016
None of those organizations made the same claims that DeSantis and some of his supporters did.
III. Trump’ 1st Term Success
https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/trumps-list-289-accomplishments-in-just-20-months-relentless-promise-keeping
Lastly, DeSantis does deserve credit for what happened in FL; however, even DeSantis did not deliver on every campaign promise – which I do not see as a knock on him or Trump.
What I do consider as a knock on him is the ‘The-Dog-Did-Not-Bark’ factors:
• Economy: This past Monday – for the first time – DeSantis posted about the Economy on his campaign website.
• Support: There are 20 Republicans in the House from FL, and 13 have endorsed a primary candidate: 12 for Trump, and 1 for DeSantis.
Trump promising to eliminate the debt
https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/275003-trump-i-will-eliminate-us-debt-in-8-years/
Trump promising a special prosecutor for Clinton
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/2016-presidential-debate-donald-trump-special-prosecutor-hillary-clinton-229457
Trump promising to drain the swamp
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/2016/10/18/donald-trump-rally-colorado-springs-ethics-lobbying-limitations/92377656/
To claim that wasn’t part of the campaign is just revisionist history.
We do acknowledge that Trump like Obama and Biden knew how to do executive orders.
How durable are those when we aren’t in power?
Furthermore here is the much bigger knock to me than overpromising.
In 2016 Trump barely won against Hillary Clinton in 3 swing states that she didn’t properly contest (she thought they weren’t in play) while losing the popular vote.
A win is a win however
2017-Democrats carry total victory in Virginia in the last occasion it is seriously considered a swing state.
2018-Democrats carry a massive and overwhelming red wave
2020-Democrats win massively taking the presidency and holding the house and almost taking the senate
2021-The only portion of the year Trump was still a factor was when he helped DEMOCRATS take two Georgia senate seats because he was deluded about the election still going on (it was long decided by Jan 5th). Notably Glenn Youngkin would WIN in Virginia by distancing himself massively from Trump and running on social issues Virginians cared about while tossing Trump lies about how he won the election into outer space.
2022-The Red Wave dissapeared. The Democrats did better than even in their wildest dreams outright winning the senate and with an absolute minimum loss in the house. Most notably the Republicans who lost were Republicans like Doug Mastriano, Blake Masters, and Don Bolduc, and at the congressional level everyone who primaried a congressman for acknowledging the election lost in the general election even in extremely red districts. Lauren Boebert almost lost her race despite running in what was considered by everyone a safe district for Republicans.
2023-Fresh on the 2022 election, the 2023 election in WISCONSIN (a must win state) saw Trump candidates lose the Wisconsin Supreme Court.
You are right I will vote for the winner of the Republican Primary.
I will absolutely not support the man who most definitely means 4 more years of Biden for that primary, and I most definitely will not pretend Trump was better than he actually was as president.
Another round of tax cuts with military spending hikes? Is it still 2004? Trump had the wrong priorities while he held the house and I am sick to death of Trump apologists creating stab in the back mythologies instead of acknowledging Trump did as he pleased and had his priorities when in power.
I also will not pretend everything he did was right. There isn’t a single bone in me that thinks we should still be droning people across the middle east, I thought our murder of Russian soldiers without either provocation or a declaration of war was an unjustifiable risk, and I thought military spending hikes could only be called unjustified.
If Ronald Reagan was around I would still be considered a Republican.
However in this age of stupidity/21st century idiot party I get to be labelled heretic/rino/gope etc.
That behavior isn’t endearing to other Republicans; how persuasive do you think the Trump cultists will be to the independents who we must win over?
Do you think any independent wants to hear about how Trump should get all the credit for what went well and none of the blame for what went wrong?
Then you’ll probably get what you want which is DeSantis as your nominee and Brandon the pedophile as the victor. Congrats.
Trump was highly successful in handing the senate to Democrats twice, handing multiple congressional seats to them in 2022, and handing the presidency to them, and the fact that his indictments both the bad ones (the recent ones, and the Alvin Bragg ones) and the ones with an extremely rock solid case (the stolen documents) are supported by most Americans……
Sorry but I will take my chances with someone who managed to win 2/3s of Florida voters over the one who handed Biden a midterm victory.
Then enjoy a 2nd term of Brandon because Trump’s base won’t cross over and your RINO bastard can’t win without them.
Do you hear yourself? This is not about defending our American Constitutional Republic for you, it’s all about Trump. Yet you don’t understand how completely insane you sound. Trump or it all burns to the ground. Yeah, that’s the winning Trump campaign message. In freak world.
See, you can’t play that same game the communists have been playing of demonizing Trump support because YOU NEED THOSE PEOPLE. Since you’ve decided to take that tack, enjoy losing, because it’s very easy to say “f*ck you, all I need to do is stay home”
“”your RINO bastard””
And yet Trump is still running to his left.
Fuzzy, I don’t give a god damn about saving the republic. I’ve been prepared for the demise of the republic for quite some time now as I expected that 2016 was our last real chance at it. But having seen the level of depravity and how widespread it has become, my answer is to burn down the whole f*cking mess and then sort it out afterward.
I will not compromise my own values supporting a worthless RINO piece of shit this time, just like I never would with Romney, or McCain, or Bush, or Bush, or Dole, or Bush. I refuse to ever vote for a democrat, but I also reserve my right to pass on voting for a republican when I can’t justify doing it. Party is not and never has been enough reason. Your biggest problem is that I’m not alone in this. Trump activated a lot of people who hadn’t voted in a long time and people who were not your typical republicans. They have no reason whatsoever to keep voting for a party when people like you constantly spit on them and it’s so much easier to say “f*ck you, lose without me because I’m staying home”
Ironclaw, you wrote: “Fuzzy, I don’t give a god damn about saving the republic.”
Oh, we got that message loud and clear. If you are the best Trump has on offer, he’s in serious trouble. You are the most off-putting, anti- and un-American person I have ever encountered. What a sick, disgusting traitor you are. And I use “traitor” by your own standards, you are purposefully and proudly working against our great country, and you are doing so on purpose because you “don’t give a damn about saving the republic.”
You sicken me. To my very bones.
You’re right. I don’t give a damn about saving the republic because I gave it up for dead a long time ago, about the time they placed a treasonous, influence-peddling pedophile into the oval office. That was when I knew that the country was truly lost and nothing since then has happened to convince me otherwise.
God, Family, Country. In that order
Since Country is dead, I serve God and my family and I’ll do my damndest to give them the best fighting chance I can. If that means letting the corpse of the country collapse around us, so be it. We have food, we have clean water and we have shelter and the means to defend ourselves and that might just have to be enough.
And by the way, I don’t need to work against the country. It’s already f*cking dead. The pedophile-in-chief killed it
Then why even bother supporting Trump? He can’t win a fair election because he’s less popular and trusted than freaking Hillary Clinton, and he still only barely won in 2016. More people absolutely loathe Trump now than ever before (it’s not fair, in my view, but it is fact). Trump can’t win a general.
You seem to think you are important in some way to someone. Odd, right? Who do you think gives a crap about you? Gonzo? Trump? Don’t make me laugh. Stop talking about you: NO ONE CARES about you. Even a tiny bit.
You’re already wrong. Trump was well on his way to winning a fair election when they shut down counting in multiple States. That the communists stole that election and gave it to a treasonous pedophile does not change that.
Everybody, Joe Biden included, knows that Biden didn’t win that election honestly and that’s why they never allowed any sort of serious investigation and they never allowed any sort of legal challenge to stand long enough to get to the evidentiary phase.
I will not pretend otherwise, nor will I treat that pedophile as legitimate. Nor should you, because they stole that from you as much as they did from me.
As for my reasons, all I can do is the best I can to look after my family, and I suggest you do the same for yours.
Things are going to get more and more ugly going forward, because we haven’t even seen what a bad economy looks like yet. I suspect that we’re going to have the same sort of liquidity crisis that caused the Great Depression in the 30’s. Now, had they not stolen that election and had we been able to exercise better fiscal and economic policies under Trump, that might have been avoided. But, there are no mulligans in the real world, so we all gotta take the lumps.
Now, as for your election. I have practically no interest in it. I’ll vote if Trump is on the ballot, because he did keep the promises that were important to me, but that doesn’t transfer to party. It never has, party has never been enough. I won’t vote democrat, but I only vote republican when I can actually see something worth supporting. I probably would have voted for Bush41, until he signed the tax increase after saying “Read my lips, no new taxes.”
DeSantis never did a damn thing for me and he lent legitimacy to the pedophile in chief, so he can go to hell. He wouldn’t have even had the opportunity to do what he did in Florida without Donald Trump’s support, and he seems to have forgotten that. He would just be a washed-up ex-congressman lawyer and Gillum would have done to Florida what Brandon has done to America.
But f*ck Donald Trump, right?
And where would Ron DeSantis be without Donald Trump? He wouldn’t have been the governor in Florida, as Trump dragged him across that line. In fact, Florida would be the same sort of mess California is, because Gillum would be doing to Florida what Brandon is doing to America.
See, I actually had a pretty good opinion of Ron DeSantis right up until he claimed that there was no fraud in 2020 and basically lent legitimacy to the pedophile-in-chief. When he did that, he made it impossible for me to support him.. That is too bad, as I am quite a fan of his work in Florida.
No, what’s going to happen is FJB steps aside in some way, and Dems put Gavin Newsom up. That’s the man to beat, and I can guarantee you that old, doddering, ineffectual Trump who sounds more like Kamala Harris by the day with his inane wanderings will lose to Gruesome Newsom. https://twitter.com/fuzislippers/status/1688304006089637888
You Only Trumpers turn off even two-time Trump voters with your absolute crazy. You are HURTING Trump with your absolute crazy, don’t you get that?
The enjoy Gruesome because that’s what you’re working towards. I’m perfectly happy to let it all burn down thanks to folks like you who simply want to spit on folks like me. I will always return like for like, so when you spit on me, I’ll spit right back. And later when you need my help, all you’ll hear is “go f*ck yourself.” Your guy can’t win without our support and thanks to his big, fat mouth denying fraud in 2020 and de-facto proclaiming the legitimacy of Brandon the pedophile and Kamala the whore, he won’t have it. So lose, and enjoy 4 more years of communist rule.
Do you hear yourself? You sound like a truly horrible person. I’m not even kidding, what a disgrace of a human being you are (or portray yourself to be, either way, so much cringe).
There you go, spitting again. You keep forgetting that you need people like me, so you need to be nice because I’m more than content to simply say “f*ck you” and I’m more than content to let your RINO piece of shit twist in the wind. I’ll just hunker down and let it pass me by until the collapse is complete, it matters not to me.
Oh, you are very much mistaken. This was all it took: “Fuzzy, I don’t give a god damn about saving the republic.” I do not–and will never ever–need people like you, and I certainly don’t associate with people who “don’t give a god damn about saving the republic.” You are completely disgusting on every single level, and I will never ever align with you.
Good, because all you’ve been doing for a long time is shitting on Trump and his supporters, just like the communists that support the pedophile=in-chief. Now you can go serve the same pedophile they do.
You are a ludicrous nihilist, burn-it-all-down lunatic anarchist. I see you. We all see you.
And we saw you a long time ago.
Un huh, as what, you self-proclaimed un- and anti-American anarchist loon?
As the never-trumper you are. Perhaps you should look into joining the Lincoln Project.
Nice work. And to be clear, my post stated: “b) Try to measure his successes against campaign goals that Trump did not set for himself.”
1) “Trump promising to eliminate the debt”
• It’s true that Trump stated in his WP interview that we are a debtor nation that needs to get rid of the $19 trillion in debt – as part of an answer to a question about a line in a book he wrote in 1990 – but neither the WP or Trump claimed that he entered the interview with that being one of his campaign goals (please see transcript below).
• It is also true that a few weeks later in an interview with Fortune, Trump spoke about reducing some of the debt – not all – and the need to avoid being aggressive because of the need to spend on priorities (please see USA/ Fortune quotes below).
• To be fair, both statements should be considered – same topic – and when they are it is easy to understand why Eliminating the National Debt was not noted by Trump as a campaign goal – in 2016 or 2020. Despite Democrat talking points.
RC: We were looking over your 1990 book, Surviving at the Top.
DT: Right.
RC: And thinking about, what would happen if Trump’s president of the United States? And you — this is a line from your book, then: “The same assets that excite me in the chase often, once they are acquired, leave me bored. For me, you see, the important thing is the getting, not the having.” If you get the presidency, you are going to have it.
DT: Yeah, but see, that’s not the getting. The getting, for me, is to make our country great again. The getting — that’s just a part of it. The getting the position is not the real getting. For me, the getting is — and that’s when I’ll say, congratulations everyone, my job is finished. We will make our country financially strong again….We can’t protect the entire world. You look at our military budget, it’s massive compared to any other country. But what are we doing? We’re taking care of the military needs of all these countries. And these countries are much richer than us. We’re not a rich country. We’re a debtor nation. We’ve got to get rid of — I talked about bubble. We’ve got to get rid of the $19 trillion in debt.
BW: How long would that take?
DT: I think I could do it fairly quickly, because of the fact the numbers . . . .
BW: What’s fairly quickly?
DT: Well, I would say over a period of eight years. And I’ll tell you why.
BW: Would you ever be open to tax increases as part of that, to solve the problem?
DT: I don’t think I’ll need to. The power is trade. Our deals are so bad.
BW: That would be $2 trillion a year.
DT: No, but I’m renegotiating all of our deals, Bob. The big trade deals that we’re doing so badly on. With China, $505 billion this year in trade. We’re losing with everybody. And a lot of those deals — a lot of people say, how could the politicians be so stupid? It’s not that they’re stupid. It’s that they’re controlled by lobbyists and special interests who want those deals to be made.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/04/02/transcript-donald-trump-interview-with-bob-woodward-and-robert-costa/?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_trumppresidency-7pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory
“A few weeks later, Trump backpedaled a bit, telling Fortune magazine he would reduce some – but not all – of the debt because he wanted to spend on his priorities.
It depends on how aggressive you want to be,” Trump told Fortune. “I’d rather not be so aggressive. Don’t forget: We have to rebuild the infrastructure of our country. We have to rebuild our military, which is being decimated by bad decisions. We have to do a lot of things.”
https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/politics/elections/2020/10/27/donald-trump-has-failed-keep-campaign-pledge-erase-national-debt/3682405001/
2) Trump promising a special prosecutor for Clinton
• That was one of the best moments I have ever witnessed in a debate – a true ‘Truth to Power’ moment.
• It is true that after the debate Trump spoke often about the need to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Clinton.
• And on second thought, I have no issue with you or anyone else thinking that was a Trump campaign goal – but will note that sites like Ballotpedia did not note that as a campaign goal (very extensive list), and it did not strike me that way.
• It is also true that Trump fired Comey in May, 2017 – made decision to not investigate Clinton – and shortly thereafter his AG recused himself and his DAG appointed a special prosecutor to investigate Russian interference, etc. – which greatly complicated things for Trump.
• It is also true that a President cannot appoint a special prosecutor, and that Trump continued to publicly press his AG to do so (please see dates below in link below).
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/358772-timeline-trump-calls-for-clinton-to-be-investigated/
• To be fair, it is pretty clear that Trump tried to have Clinton investigated – campaign goal or not – and it strikes me as 100% disingenuous of DeSantis to claim Trump is running in 2024 to lock Hillary up because he did not do so before. Also strikes me as unwise of DeSantis to list that as a Trump 2024 campaign goal; which is probably why Fuzzy Slippers dropped that from her “DeSantis quote”.
https://www.wmur.com/article/ron-desantis-new-hampshire-town-hall/44737596
3) Trump promising to drain the swamp
• It is true that Trump spoke about Fixing Broken Washington/ Draining The Swamp in 2016 – as had others before – and that Trump’ problem scope was centered around “Ethics Reform” (i.e., term limits, lobbying & campaign financing, please see below and links)
• It is also true that he had some initial success with the problem scope that did not require legislative action – and that most citizens recognized the same challenges others had faced when trying to enact Ethics Reform, and that that was not their top priority.
• Not sure any candidate would try to claim that the Drain The Swamp problem scope today has not expanded past the 2016 Drain the Swamp problem scope that Trump spoke of. Nobody in 2024 – or 2020 – is trying to define this as limited to “term limits, lobbying & campaign financing”. And it is clearly now a top priority for many citizens, due in part to what Trump has faced since 2017.
• It is also 100% disingenuous for DeSantis to pretend that in 2016 Trump ran on the current scope of the Drain the Swamp problem, and most citizens recognize that. That is pure revisionist history – based on your own research – and does not portray DeSantis is a positive light.
a) A constitutional amendment imposing term limits on members of Congress
b) A ban on federal employees lobbying the government for five years
c) A ban on members of Congress lobbying for five years
d) Tighter rules about what constitutes a lobbyist, instead of letting people call themselves consultants
e) Campaign finance reform limiting what foreign companies can raise for American political candidates
f) A ban on senior government officials lobbying for foreign governments
1. REDEFINE THE LOBBYIST
2. STOP REVOLVING DOOR
3. TACKLE ELECTION CASH
4. FIXED TERMS
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37699073
“Trump has come under fire for using the phrase—which refers to eliminating special interests from Washington…” — Time
Note: Please see “Part 2” for election related replies.
4) 2017-Democrats carry total victory in Virginia in the last occasion it is seriously considered a swing state.
• I honestly do not know why you make these kinds of statements.
• From 1972 to 2004 the Republican presidential candidate received the most votes in 9 straight elections – however, since 2008 the Democratic presidential candidate received the most votes in 4 straight elections.
• In 1970 Linwood Holton was the first VA Republican governor since 1874 – and from 1970 to today, there have been 7 Republican governors and 7 Democrat governors (R, R, R, D, D, D, R, R, D, D, R, D, D [2017], R).
• During Reagan’ two terms – 1981-1989 – two Democrat governors were elected in VA.
• During Bush’ one term – 1989-19993 – one Democrat governor were elected in VA
• During GWB’ two terms – 2001-2009 – two Democrat governors were elected in VA.
• During Trump’ one term – 2017-2021 – one Democrat governor were elected in VA
5) 2018-Democrats carry a massive and overwhelming red wave
• In the last 20 mid-term elections, the party in the WH has lost seats in the House 20 times (100%).
• 6 Presidents have seen more House seats lost than Trump: -40 (Obama: -63, Clinton: -52, Ford: -48, LBJ: -47, Eisenhower: -48, Truman: -45).
• In the last 20 mid-term elections, the party in the WH has lost seats in the Senate 13 times (65%).
• Only 6 Presidents – including Trump: +2 – have seen seats gained in the Senate (Biden: +1, GWB: +2, Regan: +1, Nixon: +2, JFK: +3).
6) 2021-…Notably Glenn Youngkin would WIN in Virginia by distancing himself massively from Trump and running on social issues Virginians cared about while tossing Trump lies about how he won the election into outer space.
• OK, you appear to be getting more fired up as you go along, and also appear to be using Democratic talking points.
• It is true that Youngkin needed to walk a fine line in VA – concerning Trump’ endorsement – due to the massive Dem voter blocks in NOVA and the Tidewater areas, but the 2020 election was not an issue for Youngkin because he refused to get sucked into the MSM trap.
• “Dave Wasserman: Trump voters turned out at phenomenal levels, and Dems couldn’t keep pace – McAuliffe had 200K more votes than Northam” – Youngkin, Sears, and Miyares all won their State Executive office elections – without the Trump voters this victory does not happen.
• Republicans also flipped the House – and won 52 races and Democrats won 48 – again, – without the Trump voters that does not happen.
7) 2022-The Red Wave disappeared.
• Another mid-term election that followed historical precedents in the House – but not Senate.
• If you can see that social issues were a big part of the 2021 VA election, you should be able to see that after the SC decision in June, abortion was a significant issue – maybe the issue for many citizens.
• More Trump endorsed candidates won their election than lost their election.
• “Trump’s endorsees won 216 of the 257 called races held on Nov. 8 (84%).” — Ballotpedia
8) 2023-Fresh on the 2022 election, the 2023 election in WISCONSIN (a must win state) saw Trump candidates lose the Wisconsin Supreme Court.
• Again, I honestly do not know why you make these kind of statements.
• If you can see that social issues were a big part of the 2021 VA election, you should be able to see the same thing in WI – and after the SC decision abortion was a significant issue – maybe the issue for many citizens.
“Abortions were legal until 20 weeks of pregnancy in Wisconsin until last summer, when the U.S. Supreme Court overturned the 1973 ruling Roe v. Wade, which had legalized the practice nationwide. The state’s revived 1849 abortion ban outlaws all abortions unless a mother would die without one. Though Gov. Tony Evers responded that he would veto any bill that does not codify Roe, the issue will likely end up in the hands of the Wisconsin Supreme Court.”
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2023/03/31/wisconsins-supreme-court-race-heres-everything-you-need-to-know/70037178007/
9) “…I most definitely will not pretend Trump was better than he actually was as president. I am sick to death of Trump apologists creating stab in the back mythologies instead of acknowledging Trump did as he pleased and had his priorities when in power. I also will not pretend everything he did was right. However in this age of stupidity/21st century idiot party I get to be labelled heretic/rino/gope etc. That behavior isn’t endearing to other Republicans; how persuasive do you think the Trump cultists will be to the independents who we must win over? Do you think any independent wants to hear about how Trump should get all the credit for what went well and none of the blame for what went wrong?
• Again, you appear to be getting more fired up as you go along, and to be clear, my post stated: “a) Will not acknowledge Trump’ tremendous successes as President.”
• If you expressed that Trump had any success, I did not see it – feel free to correct me – and still cannot understand how some of DeSantis’ most ardent supporters expect to win over others if only acknowledge DeSantis success.
• Lastly, not sure how the rest of the above is applicable to my post – not my words or actions – but do appreciate the effort that you made at the start of your post.
Before I start I would like to thank you for engaging in real conversation. That said I will still start refuting your points but unlike the jackass Trump supporters I will try to be more respectful.
1. “• I honestly do not know why you make these kinds of statements.
• From 1972 to 2004 the Republican presidential candidate received the most votes in 9 straight elections – however, since 2008 the Democratic presidential candidate received the most votes in 4 straight elections.
• In 1970 Linwood Holton was the first VA Republican governor since 1874 – and from 1970 to today, there have been 7 Republican governors and 7 Democrat governors (R, R, R, D, D, D, R, R, D, D, R, D, D [2017], R).
• During Reagan’ two terms – 1981-1989 – two Democrat governors were elected in VA.
• During Bush’ one term – 1989-19993 – one Democrat governor were elected in VA
• During GWB’ two terms – 2001-2009 – two Democrat governors were elected in VA.
• During Trump’ one term – 2017-2021 – one Democrat governor were elected in VA”
Virginia is no longer a swing state, it is a blue state that has enough of a socially conservative population that a moderate on other issues could win a state election there provided he manages to keep figures like Trump off of his campaign. In the year 2004 it would be fair to say it just votes against the presidents party for off year elections but is that true now? The man who Virginia voted against in 2021 was governor as you yourself pointed out during the Obama administration. The lost election Virginia was considered a swing state that could go either way was the 2017 election. I hope to be proven wrong on this but what you saw in 2017 was local social issues raising their head. Similar to way local economic issues raised it’s head to give Chris Christie multiple terms as governor of New Jersey. To throw this question back at you if you luckydog ran for president yourself would you put your faith in winning Wisconsin and Arizona or Virginia and Maine (a state with a republican senator)?
5. “2018-Democrats carry a massive and overwhelming red wave
• In the last 20 mid-term elections, the party in the WH has lost seats in the House 20 times (100%).
• 6 Presidents have seen more House seats lost than Trump: -40 (Obama: -63, Clinton: -52, Ford: -48, LBJ: -47, Eisenhower: -48, Truman: -45).
• In the last 20 mid-term elections, the party in the WH has lost seats in the Senate 13 times (65%”
That ceased to be a valid defense of Trump when he lost the 2022 midterm elections. You could note that in states where Republicans won a majority of the congressional votes they lost the statewide elections where Trump surrogates running as Trump on behalf of Trump got rejected.
“6) 2021-…Notably Glenn Youngkin would WIN in Virginia by distancing himself massively from Trump and running on social issues Virginians cared about while tossing Trump lies about how he won the election into outer space.
• OK, you appear to be getting more fired up as you go along, and also appear to be using Democratic talking points.
• It is true that Youngkin needed to walk a fine line in VA – concerning Trump’ endorsement – due to the massive Dem voter blocks in NOVA and the Tidewater areas, but the 2020 election was not an issue for Youngkin because he refused to get sucked into the MSM trap.
• “Dave Wasserman: Trump voters turned out at phenomenal levels, and Dems couldn’t keep pace – McAuliffe had 200K more votes than Northam” – Youngkin, Sears, and Miyares all won their State Executive office elections – without the Trump voters this victory does not happen.
• Republicans also flipped the House – and won 52 races and Democrats won 48 – again, – without the Trump voters that does not happen.”
Without Romney 2012 voters Trump never wins in 2016 does that mean Romney should be thanked? What enabled the victory in Virginia is Trump was kicked out by Glenn Youngkin who did acknowledge Biden won the election many times, and made the election about social issues instead of Trump. If the election had been about Trump Virginia would have given the same results it gave a year earlier. That Trump voters turned out for a man who rejected Trump’s narrative and removed Trump as an issue from the campaign should also tell you how many of his supporters are cultists vs sane people who will vote for a non-Trump nominee (Glenn Youngkin was not shy about rejecting Trump’s voter fraud claims).
“7) 2022-The Red Wave disappeared.
• Another mid-term election that followed historical precedents in the House – but not Senate.
• If you can see that social issues were a big part of the 2021 VA election, you should be able to see that after the SC decision in June, abortion was a significant issue – maybe the issue for many citizens.”
https://www.wmur.com/article/sununu-accused-flip-flop-abortion-podcast/39996601
https://www.wmur.com/article/sununu-special-session-abortion-rights/40437549
https://www.wcax.com/2022/09/27/nh-democrat-governor-takes-aim-sununu-abortion-restrictions/
For context the governor of New Hampshire signed the first abortion restriction in 40 years, openly talked about it, tried double speak to hide it, was caught and called out by the opposition, the opposition used the abortion issue against him, and he won a landslide victory for re-election. The Trump candidate in the same state claiming Trump won achieved roughly the portion of the vote Republicans get in Vermont and California.
Well that governor used double speak maybe New Hampshire voters are idiots (they aren’t none of them got fooled they voted for a governor they know is against abortion) so lets do another test.
Brian Kemp governor of Georgia, winner of two state elections in that swing state
Here you could see he fought that issue openly with his opponent
https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-stacey-abrams-voting-georgia-atlanta-f3051f5da33a65d6a0b34883be918ece
Here you could see yes Brian Kemp did sign into law a 6 week abortion ban
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_House_Bill_481
For abortion to have been what sunk the 2022 election instead of Trump the voters have to be stupid because Brian Kemp was governor, made it clear where he stood on abortion, made it clear he was keeping the abortion bans, would go on to fight for it to the Georgia Supreme Court (and win) and put his name on the dotted line to create the restriction in the first place.
In contrast the Trump candidate who Georgia voters rejected was running for senate (a position that wouldn’t have an abortion impact) and got a very different result than Brian Kemp who won by a very comfortable margin.
“• More Trump endorsed candidates won their election than lost their election.
• “Trump’s endorsees won 216 of the 257 called races held on Nov. 8 (84%).” — Ballotpedia”
If you lose all of the swing races, a large chunk of thought to be safe races like Grand Rapids but win most of your safe seat picks you get no credit. Furthermore that statistic is meaningless. Anyone with a brain would not credit Ron DeSantis or Brian Kemp’s re-election to Trump.
““Abortions were legal until 20 weeks of pregnancy in Wisconsin until last summer, when the U.S. Supreme Court overturned the 1973 ruling Roe v. Wade, which had legalized the practice nationwide. The state’s revived 1849 abortion ban outlaws all abortions unless a mother would die without one. Though Gov. Tony Evers responded that he would veto any bill that does not codify Roe, the issue will likely end up in the hands of the Wisconsin Supreme Court.”
Ron Johnson won in Wisconsin while known Trump candidates lost. If you are saying that unlike non-Trump candidates Trump candidates don’t know how to navigate their states I agree, but the Republicans won the plebiscites in that election which brings back the candidate issue. Make Trump the issue you lose in Wisconsin.
https://ballotpedia.org/Wisconsin_2023_ballot_measures
“• Again, you appear to be getting more fired up as you go along, and to be clear, my post stated: “a) Will not acknowledge Trump’ tremendous successes as President.””
Again I’m not pretending he was better than he was, and I will bring up what I think are major flaws to his presidency. Could you justify the risk that murdering Russian soldiers in Syria created? I acknowledge that he had some successes like every president, I am not indulging creating a mythology and only kings and emperors have their successes recited by loyal followers whenever they are discussed and he should not be treated as a king by anyone.
I do agree that he had major successes as a diplomat (which are things that did not involve Russia), I love the Abraham accords (although lets not be dishonest Biden agrees with them to and has maintained them), I love that he brought the Balkans closer to burying their hatchets, and I ABSOLUTELY love the fact that unlike when it came to legislation where he was incompetent at best he did a good job working with Mitch McConnell to appoint judges.
You will not see me saying that when arguing against nominating him because we all know that stuff and we all remember it. Unfortunately my top issue is not lowering the top federal tax rate and the issues that are most important to me are not issues Trump performed well in.
I fully agree by having this conversation a great deal of that post is not relevant to you, I appreciate you and am glad to see that. I don’t agree with your post and have just posted why but I liked your post anyway because I have wanted to have actual dialogue.
I wish there was an edit button because I meant to say unlike how I act towards jackass Trump supporters (as in the ones who insist you are a uniparty/globalist/traitor etc) I will be respectful towards you I realize I accidentally put in an insult that wasn’t meant.
Gee, that’s unusual. A lying Trumpbot.
Or, you know, par for the Trumpbot course.
You illustrate my point.