Joe Rogan Challenges Vaccine Scientist Peter Hotez to Debate Presidential Candidate RFK Jr.
The post-offer discussion shows that many Americans would welcome an intelligent, fact-based debate on vaccines.
Spotify Podcast host Joe Rogan challenged vaccine scientist Dr. Peter Hotez to debate presidential candidate and vaccine skeptic Robert F. Kennedy Jr., which generated a great deal of buzz on social media last night from Americans who would welcome this discussion.
Peter, if you claim what RFKjr is saying is “misinformation” I am offering you $100,000.00 to the charity of your choice if you’re willing to debate him on my show with no time limit. https://t.co/m0HxYek0GX
— Joe Rogan (@joerogan) June 17, 2023
The invitation was inspired after Hotez criticized the Democratic presidential candidate for vaccine-questioning statements on “The Joe Rogan Experience” last week.
Rogan pledged to donate $100,000 to a charity of Hotez’s choosing if he agreed to the appear with the political scion, who has launched a longshot bid to dethrone President Biden in the 2024 Democratic primary.
Rogan’s challenge, which has since been viewed over 25 million times, prompted Hotez to respond in a now-deleted tweet, which turned into a back-and-forth exchange.
“Be serious Joe, that’s what you throw for your hunting buddies on a weekend,” Hotez said. “A $50 million endowment (which You/Spotify/ RFK Jr can easily afford), not for me but so we can continue making low-cost patent-free vaccines for the world’s poor. Preceded by RFK Jr’s public apology.”
Twitter owner Elon Musk chimed in saying Hotez “hates charity” while Kennedy, agreed to a “respectful, congenial, informative debate that the American people deserve.’
He’s afraid of a public debate, because he knows he’s wrong
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) June 17, 2023
First of all, I am generally pro vaccine. I have been vaccinated against pretty much everything, as have my kids.
Second, I think there is tremendous promise in synthetic mRNA. It is like medicine going from analog to digital.
That said, the world obviously went crazy with… pic.twitter.com/lQkqY8uvgT
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) June 18, 2023
Hotez responded with hyperbole and drama, especially when Twitter’s new owner and free-speech supporter Elon Musk chimed in.
When Rogan called the reply a “non-answer,” the virologist responded, “Joe if you are serious about addressing vaccines + the fact that 200,000 unvaccinated Americans needlessly perished during our awful delta/BA.1 Covid waves (including 40,000 in our state of Texas) because they fell victims to vaccine disinformation: I want to have that discussion.”
Dr. Hotez added, “I’m happy to come on and have a meaningful discussion. I respect you and your show and I don’t want an adversarial relationship. I think we can make some progress.”
Then Twitter owner Elon Musk jumped in to say of Dr. Hotez, “He’s afraid of a public debate, because he knows he’s wrong.”
Seriously Elon? This is monstrous. 200,000 Americans needlessly perished (including 40,000 Texans, our neighbors) because they were victims of antivaccine disinformation during our awful Covid delta/BA.1 waves in 2021-22. Please don’t do this… https://t.co/qqBDjoPeRs
— Prof Peter Hotez MD PhD (@PeterHotez) June 18, 2023
Hotez is involved in global health, vaccinology, and neglected tropical disease control. Looking back on his record associated with covid, it must be noted that Hotez thought the lab-leak scenario for its origins was unlikely.
Hotez is more confident in previous scientific studies which suggest COVID emerged much like SARS did in 2002 or MERS in 2012 — from animal to human contact in wet markets.
In June 2021, Hotez called the lab leak theory unlikely. He said despite the new report, he feels the same way.
“I think (the lab leak theory) is plausible. It’s not impossible. But, I think it is unlikely,” he said. “Based on the publicly available data and evidence, I see no reason to bring in a lab leak (as a possible origin). Now the Department of Energy said they’re looking at classified information, and maybe there is something new in the classified information.”
As we now know, patient Zero was likely a Chinese scientist at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. So, just perhaps, Hotez might be uncomfortable with these “expert” opinions being challenged in a public forum.
The most important aspect of this social media discussion is how many Americans would welcome an intelligent, fact-based debate on vaccines, especially the one for the novel coronavirus that is continually being pushed by Big Pharma and Big Government (and which the public no longer wants). For example, American entrepreneur Steven Krish offered an extra $100,000 dollars as an incentive for Hotez to debate.
I will add $100,000 making it $600K! Debate him.
Sadly, Hotez, nor any other “expert” will not debate any “misinformation superspreader.”
They are all afraid of things like facts and data.
— Steve Kirsch (@stkirsch) June 18, 2023
While the debate may never happen, the ensuing Twitter discussion suggests that people no longer trust the media and the preferred experts who continue to push the covid vaccine narrative. This is especially true as vaccine injury claims are now being pressed after the covid emergency has ended.
Thousands of Covid-19 vaccine injury allegations have been submitted to the federal government and are unlikely to be reviewed any time soon without intervention by the Biden administration and Congress, according to attorneys whose potential clients feel they have nowhere to turn.
Appendicitis, cognitive difficulty, abdominal pain, and abnormal heart rhythm are just some of the Covid vaccine-related injuries cited by the 8,208 individuals who have filed requests for benefits with the Health and Human Services Department’s Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program.
The CICP has reached only 749 decisions on claims related to Covid treatments, with four cases resulting in compensation.
Now, with the public health emergency officially over, attorneys say it’s time for the administration and Congress to move Covid vaccine injury claims to a program they say is better suited for addressing them. But doing so would require lawmakers to tackle some much-needed reforms.
Sound science will survive fact-based debate. Offering glib answers to softball questions in a friendly media environment proves exactly nothing, especially to Americans recovering from the policies “experts” offered based on narratives.
I just want to call attention to the fact that the "In this House We Believe Science is Real" crowd is deeply triggered by the prospect of a scientific debate on the biggest podcast in the world.
— Clifton Duncan (@cliftonaduncan) June 18, 2023
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“Smartest guy in the room , or the biggest asshole.”
This was how bowtied docs were characterized in THE HOUSE OF GOD, breakout bestseller in 1978. This satirical novel spawned ST ELSEWHERE and SCRUBS etc.
For years, Hotez apparently was attempting to carry off the smart guy act, but now he is being revealed to be , in fact, one of the biggest assholes. He has violated hi Hippocratic oath, he pushed the shots knowing that safe inexpensive treatments were available.
And if Dr Malone is to be believed, Hotez was motivated by personal greed.
“That’s what you throw for your hunting buddies on a weekend.”
Tossing that line out during a medical discussion pretty much tells me all I need to know about him.
Yep. Who the hell throws $100,000 on a whim?
Hotez is the same guy who loves junk food, hates exercise, and thinks proper nutrition is inconsequential because “vaccines.” Of course he runs away from debate because he knows he’d be stuck trying to defend the indefensible.
Meanwhile, RFK jr. is 70 and ripped.
Rogan should up the offer to $1,000,000 and make it available to any well-respected, expert, virologist and vaccine proponent.
It’s damn near reached a million and Rogan didn’t have to up his ante at all.
I believe the last count I saw yesterday evening the total was over $ 1.6 million. Andrew Tate offered to put up $5ook.
Now do ventilators and remdesivir.
I’d settle for that horse dewormer Rogan took and natural immunity
So two cranks are asked to “debate” to promote Rogan’s show? Why not simply ignore both of them?
BTW — if you’re looking for an honest, fact-based debate on vaccines, leave RFK, Jr out of it. He’s incapable.
The media is not to be trusted on its coverage of anyone. Just saying someone is “anti-vaxx’ is not an effective counter.
If you you have to shut down all debate and silence everyone who disagrees with you then that should tell everyone about the strength of your position.
Who’s doing that? Two idiots facing each other isn’t debate — it’s a PR stunt.
Not liking or agreeing with someone does not make them a “crank” but resorting to childish name-calling does make you look like a closed minded foolish child.
Oh, and JRE is doing quite fine without this. He has the most listened to podcast on the planet
RFK, Jr’s history makes him a crank. He still pushes the “mercury causes autism” line, despite it being debunked AND he still pushes “mercury is in kids’ vaccines” despite its use being stopped a decade or more ago.
He supports communist governments — and that makes it clear he’s not just a crank, but evil.
“Mercury causes autism” hasn’t been “debunked,” but the association between mercury in vaxxes and autism has been covered up. There is correlation, which is a clear indication that there needs to be a closer look taken at the relationship.
If vaxxes are as “safe” as the pharmaceutical propaganda claims, Hotez and his camp would have nothing to fear from such an examination, and were they to be vindicated they would waste no time in trumpeting such as irrefutable “fact.” Their reluctance to engage in scientific debate, let alone agree to any rigorous (i.e. double- blind) RCTs with a true placebo (i.e. saline solution rather than a previous formulation of the same vaccine) speaks volumes as to the intellectual weakness of their position.
The pharmaceutical vaccine empire is built on sand, and they know it – which is the real reason why they avoid debate and prefer to cast aspersions like a bunch of monkeys flinging poo.
Which tells me you have never listened to him. Sorry you are so closed minded, I have pity for you
Have you read his mediculously researched and heavily footnoted books with the bibliographies spanning hundreds of references? Didn’t think so.
Download them and read them, then get back to us. Until then, enjoy looking foolish.
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RFK knows how much money the NIH received for promoting the mRNA vaccine. He also can show, with no doubt, that the NIH received all that money for being the gatekeeper (not the inventor). Why don’t you want to hear about all this corruption?
Two cranks aren’t being asked to debate, only one crank is being asked to debate. RFK Jr. already said he would. Also, the point isn’t the debate at all, it is that people like Hotez don’t want to be challenged on their bullshit.
If Biden debated it would be just like his press conferences. He would give answers to pre-arranged questions from debate moderator.
He’d also give answers to questions that weren’t even asked, and they’d be unintelligible.
Much like the climate change, they’re not interested in an honest debate because they don’t actually care about the science. It’s all about control
If it weren’t for Neil Young, I wouldn’t know who Rogan is
All the more reason to build that wall on our northern boarder… 🙂
The zealots never want to debate. They only want to lecture and deliver a sermon to captive audiences. Especially so for those whose zealotry is manufactured to support their grift and gravy train.
Everyone should listen to that JRE podcast with Kennedy. It is very good and interesting.
If you don’t know who Rogan is, his podcasts are viewed more times than all cable news combined.
As for the money, it’s up to $1,000,000 but there won’t be a debate. Hotez is a government bully who can’t defend himself and can’t stand others who challenge him
Live debate is horrible. Women, for one thing, always go for the guy who seems to mean well. Meaning well is a skill that doesn’t reflect the cogency of the position.
Just write your essays, back and forth if necessary.
Most people don’t have time to read essays, nor do they want to read essays to hearing prevailing or countervailing arguments.
*to get
Speak for yourself.
A skilled debater knows how to present and defend the substance of his argument, as well as refute his opponent’s position. Additionally, in a written exchange there is no opportunity for cross ex.
Live debates (actual debates, not the kind of stuff we see during election season) are informative and revealing.
This is what vile Dumb-o-crats do, when challenged — become even more infantile, vindictive, petulant and histrionic, than they normally are.
And, of course, Hotez contrives innumerable excuses to avoid a debate on the merits.
What’s so adult about using the picture of Hotez that was picked for this posting?
Heredity can be a cruel thing. That’s why I avoid being in front of a camera.
I hear you
It’s an image he broadcast himself in one of his many TV hits while lying to us about Covid and the jab.
No one cares about this idiot’s picture. You’re obsessed with inanities and not substantive issues.
No vax debate permitted in Hotezland.
Autism was practically negligible before vaccines, part of it definitely was the mercury, and I don’t have any data, but PGA, Polyglycol Acid is a nasty compound and I am Allergic to it, put in many vaccines, Covid for sure , to make easement of transfer into the cells of the vaccine.
Always in flu vaccines where people get severe autoimmune reactions, Remember the Hong Kong Flu vaccine and Guillain-Barre syndrome?
My daughter had a severe rx to a forced Hep B vaccine in middle school in Texas and for 2 years she was severely impaired, she was 12 and they thought she had MS, Juvenile Arthritis, Lupus, etc, it was all the vaccine …
I was a HUGE proponent of vaccines, secondary to my cousin getting polio , age 16, AFTER the vaccine had been out for 2 years, nobody got polio after that vaccine , and at 16 she was paralyzed from the neck down… never could understand her mother, my mothers sister not getting her kids vaccinated for polio as their only brother does of polio at age 13 in the 30’s…
My brother, sister and I all had a very weak polio at age 2,3,4… can’t even imagine what was going on in my mothers head…
So no, I’m not anti vac, but as a kid we had like a total of 7 shots threw out childhood, now they have like 72 and they don’t make them like they did originally and mix a lot of crap in them
Yep. Lots of truth in what you say here. The older vaccines were developed and manufactured to create a ‘cure’ while it seems as if many modern vaccines were created to make a profit. See the Rona jab.
Autism was not negligible diagnosing autism was.
ADHD wasn’t diagnosed either before it was discovered.
Before there was ADHD there was ‘boys will be boys’
Nevertheless doctors will not diagnose something they don’t think exists.
I agree it is dramatically over diagnosed, the point I was making is you can’t compare a past when it was never an option to diagnose to today and say autism is on the rise.
Danny
‘Doctors will not diagnose something they don’t think exists’ is an incredibly naive statement at best. Physicians set-up ‘pill mills’ to write scrips for pain killers (opioid) to folks who come in off the street for a 2 minute exam. This went on nationwide.
Then there’s the ‘trans’ /gender dysphoria epidemic where hospitals, surgeons and psychologists are colluding to push confused kids into mutilation via surgery or chemicals to block puberty.
Physicians are not all pure of heart. They are fallible human beings, not white coated demi gods. They don’t deserve the pedestal you seem to want to provide them.
This.
There is some very strange things going on with the huge uptick in Autism but even Kennedy says he is not sure what is going on. Did anyone know someone with autism when you were in gradeschool? I sure didn’t. Something is causing this huge uptick and it’s not “better diagnosis”
As Steve Kirsch put it in a recent Substack:
This rapid climb was not due to a change in criteria to diagnose ASD. Such a change would create a quick step function and just shift the existing line upwards; the slope wouldn’t change.
The “better diagnosis” trope is a fallacy.
An issue that no one is talking about is the political ramifications. While RFK is making sense to millions while Biden mumbles and makes things up daily like, “God save the Queen.” Establishment Democrats have to be concerned that RFK will damage Biden irrefutably.
Fwiw I completely agree, “God save the queen” is in fact exactly that — made up on the spot.
I think he gets bored, frankly, with the necessity of having to constantly distract from the preceding shit-talk. Biden has always been low-IQ and he’s always known it.
He HAS to distract attention away from what he says.
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I’m pretty sure no family member has ever heard any American dementia patient say anything about any gods saving any queens.
It’s just not a thing that any American would even have stored away in the old decrepit memory circuits.
Biden is an expert liar but he blew the charade with this one.
Just a warning RFK Jr. is most definitely not a good example to get behind in a fight for academia. He is not just skeptical of the covid vaccine for small children he is a firm believer in the vaccines cause autism claim (debunked in it’s totality) and he is also in general anti-vaccine.
I would vote for him over Biden. That really isn’t saying much.
Debunked by the same government scientists that brought you lockdowns, masks, social distancing, non lab origin of Covid, mRNA “vaccines” were 95% effective and would stop the spread of Covid, JRE took horse dewormer and so on. Keep doing you.
Actual autism rates
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/autism-rates-by-country
Isn’t it interesting that nations that have mandatory universal vaccinations aren’t suffering higher rates of autism despite the dramatic over diagnosis problem in western medicine?
Yeah I’m not taking anything from the public health community on faith. I don’t care if X has a forty year history of success. I want to see an independent team of researchers conduct double blind trials to revalidate the data with full transparency.
The level of distrust in ‘The Science’ is real and far more widespread and far deeper than many folks understand. The public health community, pharma and govt has earned every bit of the scorn and mistrust that they themselves conspired to create among the public.
They’ll just say they did a double-blind study and fabricate their data points.
It isn’t that it is on faith.
The only study that ever concluded there was a connection had a grand total of TWELVE test subjects, who got selected from families known to have had prior autism diagnosis. That is called a rigged study, and such a study is utterly worthless.
So there goes the evidence for it.
For evidence against it
https://www.spectrumnews.org/news/large-swedish-study-casts-doubt-on-autism-epidemic/
In case you forgot the Swedish academic establishment and government stood up to the vast majority of the western world and refused to lock down, resisted masks on grounds they don’t actually do anything and cause problems, and they have a socially conservative economically moderate government right now. The reason is because Sweden’s academic establishment stood up against covid hysteria and pushed back on the kinds of claims Fauxi made.
That is why I used a Swedish study of ONE MILLION test subjects.
Danny,
I ain’t arguing about autism and vaccines in specific but rather the loss of trust in general that was a direct result of the deliberate falsehoods, flip flops and the decision to ignore previous pandemic planning by the US public health community and the public health community around the world.
That said unless this data you are relying upon comes from a study conducted after Covid and lasted two decades to ensure all long term factors are accounted for then I don’t want to hear it. If it comes from the same institutions, research centers, companies, govts or was conducted by individuals with degrees from those those institutions, credentials granted by those govts, hell any affiliation at all with the pre Covid medical science or public health infrastructure I refuse to trust it. Period.
The public health community could tell me that as a red head with fair skin I am susceptible to sunburn and I will still refuse to rely on their advice. Unless and until the conclusions of every single study used as the basis for public policy are replicated by an independent team of researchers in a new double blind multi decade study with a huge sample.size that is 100% transparent they can kiss my ass.
I don’t think the folks in these institutions, the media who carried their water, the ‘prestigious’ journals who published their BS, the politicians who refused to utilize comments sense and surrendered to ‘The Science’ understood how deeply and how thoroughly they effed up and how angry and unforgiving the public is about it.
I agree with everything in your last post.
My point was merely that RFK is the wrong person to carry the message, and that investing in him politically does tie us down to what are scientifically indefensible positions.
Ok. I still don’t understand why you don’t want the weirdo doc to debate RFK. It isn’t as if we are adopting him as our avatar and the weird doc is far more likely to debate RFK than say DR Scott Atlas or DR Jay Bhattacharya.
Was it actually debunked? Or did they simply refuse to talk about it like they usually do?
mRNA vaccines have become the standard. However, vaccines are supposed to pass the efficacy test (how effective the vaccine is). No mRNA vaccine has every had more 1% absolute efficacy, but the law says that it must be over 50%. In addition, the law requires the vaccine to pass the distribution test (does the vaccine stay where it’s put). No mRNA vaccine has ever passed this test which is why they makes so many people sick or dead. A vaccine used to have to pass the challenge test (does it work on animals), but the Biden administration move that test into the fantasy land of molecular simulation which effectively eliminated the test.
A bombshell study from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has confirmed that the risk of autoimmune heart disease is 13,200% higher in people who are vaccinated for Covid.
The study found that the risk of myocarditis following mRNA Covid vaccination is around 133x greater than the background risk in the population.
The study was conducted by the CDC, FDA, and researchers from several top U.S. universities and hospitals.
Researchers examined the effects of vaccination with products manufactured by Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna.