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New England Journal of Medicine Article Suggests Segregating Medical Students by Race

New England Journal of Medicine Article Suggests Segregating Medical Students by Race

“Founded on legacies of colonialism and racism, medical education has historically centered White learners and continues to perpetuate structural racism.”

Professor Jacobson has repeatedly pointed out that medical schools are increasingly embracing Critical Race Theory and other forms of social justice policies and suggested that this is not good news for society.

Now the New England Journal of Medicine is kicking things into high gear, suggesting that medical students should be segregated by race. How does this help anyone? It’s like we’re going backward.

FOX News reports:

Woke researchers blasted for suggesting racial segregation of medical students: ‘These are hateful ideas’

An article in the New England Journal of Medicine suggests that students should be segregated by race for their medical education.

The California researchers proposing the idea argue that medical education is “founded on legacies of colonialism and racism.”

They argue further that “medical education has historically centered White learners and continues to perpetuate structural racism. Immersion by people of color can therefore be re-traumatizing.”

Kenny Xu, an activist who is spearheading a campaign to end wokeism in education, appeared on “Fox & Friends” to speak out against the proposal.

“This is not the only time that DEI departments at university medical hospitals have peddled segregation in the name of DEI and anti-racism in the name of diversity, equity and inclusion,” said the president of Color Us United.

“The USC School of Medicine’s dean of surgery said that merit is a hateful ideal in surgery. Also, the USC School of Medicine said that Black students can’t sit through the lecture format. They also said that, too. These are hateful ideals and hateful ideas. They deserve to be denounced.”…

The article was written based on the findings of seven academics, students and medical professionals out of UC San Francisco.

The article published by the New England Journal proposes a Racial Affinity Group Caucus [RAGC].

The article reads, “RAGCs are facilitated sessions involving participants grouped according to self-identified racial or ethnic identity to support integration of antiracism curricula into clinical practice. Used as part of a broader antiracism and antioppression curriculum, racial affinity group caucusing engages participants in critical introspection through the lens of their own racialized experience and enhances learning by building community and encouraging praxis, the integration of theory, self-reflection, and action.”

In April, Professor Jacobson discussed this issue with Tucker. Watch:

Here’s a quote from the article at the NEJM:

Founded on legacies of colonialism and racism, medical education has historically centered White learners and continues to perpetuate structural racism. Pedagogical approaches often center White learners and ignore the differential impact of content on BIPOC learners (Black, Indigenous, or people of color) with personal experiences of racism that are nuanced and have been informed by interactions and observations over their lifetimes.

Immersion in the existing medical education system can therefore be retraumatizing, resulting in imposter syndrome, heightened anxiety, and a reduced sense of belonging. Especially as we seek to recruit more medical students who are BIPOC, we need to recognize this harm and encourage pedagogical approaches that support the needs of BIPOC learners.

Here’s more from Campus Reform:

The article entitled “Racial Affinity Group Caucusing in Medical Education — A Key Supplement to Antiracism Curricula,” written by faculty and administrators at the University of California San Francisco (UCSF) School of Medicine, contends that separating White and Black, Indigenous, People of Color (BIPOC) medical students into racial affinity group caucuses (RAGCs) can play an essential “part of a broader antiracism and anti-oppression curriculum.”

Because of the “legacies of colonialism and racism” in medical training that have “historically centered White learners,” the authors of the article argue that extant medical school structures are “retraumatizing” for BIPOC students.

The article only examines RAGCs in medical education at UCSF and provides no quantitative or qualitative data on the effectiveness of the program in achieving its stated goals. UCSF School of Medicine did not immediately respond to Campus Reform’s inquiry regarding how long this program has been in effect.

The article states that RAGCs at UCSF are separated in to Black or African American, general people of color, and Whites.

“In a space without White people, BIPOC participants can bring their whole selves, heal from racial trauma together, and identify strategies for addressing structural racism,” the article states.

When Obamacare was first introduced, some critics claimed it was a form of socialism in health care.

This takes that idea to a whole new level.


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I have a grand idea. Hear me out here.

What we need are separate entrances for blacks and whites. Separate counters for blacks and whites. Blacks (or whites) ride at the back of the bus. Blacks live on one side of the town with their own businesses, whites the other. We will call this Separate but Equal.

What do you guys think?

    henrybowman in reply to NotCoach. | May 4, 2023 at 11:32 am

    I’m ready to go back a bit further and re-establish the American Colonization Society. Then blacks can get all the separate education they need, plus upon graduation be guaranteed a non-systemically-racist clientele and operating environment. Whites will get what they need too.

      Peabody in reply to henrybowman. | May 4, 2023 at 11:49 am

      Seperate medical colleges according to medical discoveries and medical science whose roots are traced back to Europe and medical discoveries and medical science that originated in Africa. African Americans go to one, European Americans to the other.

      What about Asians? Okay, have another medical school for Asians specializing in medicine that originated in China.

        MAJack in reply to Peabody. | May 5, 2023 at 9:00 am

        Set up black Medical Schools in mud huts somewhere in the Seringeti. Problem solved, everyone is happy!

      RoyalWulff55 in reply to henrybowman. | May 7, 2023 at 10:19 am

      Reinstate meritocracy in academics, snd medical schools will be effectively segregated, because virtually no Subsaharans will earn their way into med school. In fact, few will and can earn their way into college.

    n.n in reply to NotCoach. | May 4, 2023 at 12:31 pm

    Separate hospitals for pro-life doctors and clinics for pro-choice technicians.

    I would still support a separation of sexes, unless there is full disclosure and mutual consent in order to mitigate social progress of the Democrats’ “rape culture”.

    Sounds very progressive.

    gonzotx in reply to NotCoach. | May 4, 2023 at 1:06 pm

    I’m all for it

    Mixed race, take your pick

    JackinSilverSpring in reply to NotCoach. | May 4, 2023 at 1:11 pm

    Seperate water fountains as well.

      The Gentle Grizzly in reply to JackinSilverSpring. | May 4, 2023 at 4:49 pm

      And, at airports, bus terminals, and train stations, White entrances and colored entrances entrances of color.

      Question for the elderly on here who live or lived in states with formal segregation: what entrances did, say, Americans of Chinese, Japanese, Indian (both casino and C-store), or Pacific heritage use?

        henrybowman in reply to The Gentle Grizzly. | May 5, 2023 at 5:43 pm

        Sometimes their own. The Chinese tended to nucleate into their own self-sufficient Chinatowns and kept to themselves. Chinese children were not even allowed in public schools in SF. They aimed to minimize interactions to the greatest extent possible with their oppressors. The important thing is that they were creative and industrious about it.

      Pepsi_Freak in reply to JackinSilverSpring. | May 5, 2023 at 5:17 pm

      That’s cultural appropriation and smacks of an attempt at cultural superiority, since “water fountains” were developed by the white culture. So for Caucasians, OK on using drinking fountains, but for blacks, cultural equity requires drinking gourds. Not sure what Orientals — er, sorry, — Mongolian culture uses; maybe we can lump the Chinese/Japanese/Koreans all together along with Pacific Islanders, Indian subcontinent and American Indians, and mixed race as “general non-black people of color” (GNBPOC). This will require careful study to assure cultural equity and avoid cultural appropriation.

      Now, once we get that sorted out, we can deal with harder issues, like what do we do about vaccination? Do we allow all colors of doctors to use it? Or avoid issues of “legacies of colonialism and racism” and structural microaggressions of cultural superiority that could harm the psyches of BIPOC by limiting it to descendants of colonial cultures?

    alaskabob in reply to NotCoach. | May 4, 2023 at 1:33 pm

    “Blazing Saddles” had the sheriff dress up in KKK sheets…. now that is for real.

    Gully_Foyle in reply to NotCoach. | May 5, 2023 at 11:10 am

    Maybe aliens will arrive in a spaceship and demand to take the entire black population with them. But they won’t reveal what they want them for. It will be this nation’s greatest ethical dilemma.

2smartforlibs | May 4, 2023 at 11:17 am

Proving the radical 60s were about liberal power not about equality.

Asian folks do fine “white-centered learning”, whatever that means. All these clowns are ensuring is that more people will turn a skeptical eye towards a young, black physician whether it’s warranted or not.

    gonzotx in reply to Paddy M. | May 4, 2023 at 1:06 pm

    I already do

      gonzotx in reply to gonzotx. | May 4, 2023 at 1:58 pm

      I work with Black Drs, Ive often wondered how many got through medical school , nurses too.

      But really med school and nursing school have been going down for over a decade. Just as many whites are not the caliber in med school they use to graduate. Have had many conversations with Drs who are not too pleased themselves and nurses that do not want to work with or follow many nurses.

      Clearly there are the Ben Carson’s, but if I had my pick, as my mother said to me when I was a teen, go to a Jewish Dr, they’re the best

      And she was right. It just is what it is.

        bev in reply to gonzotx. | May 4, 2023 at 5:08 pm

        I graduated from med school in 1981, retired in 2020. Over the years I worked with physicians, nurses, and other healthcare professionals of various races and ethnic backgrounds. Many Black physicians were excellent and I would have entrusted my healthcare and that of family members to their care. Others were less stellar. In reality the same could be said of White physicians, although the ratio of outstanding to mediocre might have been lower among the Blacks.

        I also spent the last 15 years working in nursing and rehab centers. A large percentage of the nursing staff there were from Africa. It seemed that, On average, the Africans had a very high work ethic, often working two jobs and sending money back to families in Africa. Many of them complained about Black Americans (in the community, not staff) being quick to complain and less willing to work hard.

        Obviously there are many American Blacks who have a high work ethic and strive to achieve. Yet somehow our society has also fostered many who lack this drive. But if JAMA is suggesting Blacks are not capable of learning in a traditional med school setting and want to institute some form of segregation, the Blacks will be harmed more than helped.

        If this comes to pass I suspect all patients, including Black Americans, will avoid receiving medical care from Black physicians.

    AF_Chief_Master_Sgt in reply to Paddy M. | May 4, 2023 at 1:08 pm

    Will turn a skeptical eye toward young black physicians?

    I already practice skeptical eyes toward physicians who were educated in any institution that practices equity and inclusion.

      MajorWood in reply to AF_Chief_Master_Sgt. | May 9, 2023 at 9:26 pm

      I know that at the hospital where I was treated that I had to sign a statement that I had to receive care from the physician that was assigned to me. Now, if the department chair were completely in charge of the process, then I am pretty sure that he would choose the best candidates based on merit. But as it is a State University medical school and hospital, I have to be aware that some are present for optics and quotas. Now, that being said, I am fortunate in that I can assess the validity and accuracy of the diagnoses and treatment plans offered. For someone without my background or one similar to it, they might find themselves in a situation where the cure proves to be far worse than the disease.

E Howard Hunt | May 4, 2023 at 11:35 am

This is a great idea. Segregate the BIPOC learners so they can immerse their whole selves, free of imposture syndrome and traumatization, in classes focusing on the remedial learning of math, english, writing, reasoning, civics, history and basic manners. Then subject them later to the same rigorous course of study and testing. They will still all flunk out, but might have become just smart
enough to know why.

    AF_Chief_Master_Sgt in reply to E Howard Hunt. | May 4, 2023 at 1:14 pm

    Is there any wonder why “BIPOC” physicians make up less than 11% of the physician population in the US?

    “Among active physicians, 56.2% identified as White, 17.1% identified as Asian, 5.8% identified as Hispanic, and 5.0% identified as Black or African American. Note that the race for 13.7% of active physicians is Unknown.”
    Association of American Medical Colleges

    amatuerwrangler in reply to E Howard Hunt. | May 4, 2023 at 3:12 pm

    E Howard– The problem is that BIPOC students will be tutored and aided so that they can pass the standard tests, even to the point they can have someone help them with the hard questions…. The “flunk out” rate will be very low. As will be the actual level of medical knowledge they retain as they go out into the world. We have seen that in many other fields already. Nothing says equality like having to have special considerations….

    There is already serious doubt the the diploma is a valid representative of actual knowledge and talent.

Quebec in Canada feels that their French culture is different enough from Anglo culture that they want to separate. A separation of Czeck and Slovakian cultures was beneficial. A separation of the separate fighting factions in the former Yugoslavia was very beneficial.

Why is it that no one is allowed to even suggest a separation of European/Asian culture from black culture if black culture is so different that they are traumatized by being in white culture? I’ve even seen things now where punctuality, following the law etc. are white supremecy. I don’t want to live in “black culture” if you follow that to the logical conclusion.

Frankly take away the good parts of Manhattan & Connecticut etc. from white liberals there (they may love it) and make 13% of the country the new country of Black USA. Then they are in full control of their own destiny.

    NotCoach in reply to User-Name. | May 4, 2023 at 12:10 pm

    What you are talking about are basically separate states. How do we do that here? Declare certain states black only, and others white only?

      The problem, of course, is that the divisions are not race-based (nor gender-based), they are ideological. I don’t want to live in a “white” USA that wouldn’t proudly welcome Justice Clarence Thomas, Sen. Tim Scott, Thomas Sowell, Carol Swain, Allen West, Lt. Gov. Winsome Sears, Candace Owens, and a host of other black conservatives.

      User-Name in reply to NotCoach. | May 4, 2023 at 1:18 pm

      I do know, on a basic gut level, that blacks and whites can separate in a heartbeat if whites have a place to go. I grew up in Southeast Michigan and saw that happen during the 1960s. As blacks in Detroit got more numerous and violent (especially around 1967), whites couldn’t get away fast enough, even selling their houses at massive losses. I saw it with my own eyes.

        NotCoach in reply to User-Name. | May 4, 2023 at 2:09 pm

        I have lived in SE Michigan my entire life, and I understand the sentiment, but the problems are not based on race. They are based on the breakdown of the black family caused by leftists policies that promote said breakdown. And segregation will solve nothing, it will only make things worse.

          User-Name in reply to NotCoach. | May 4, 2023 at 2:26 pm

          What a coincidence. You live in SE Michigan. And you were old enough during the 1967 riots to see them. Really coincidental.

          But I guarantee you don’t live in the Belmont area of Detroit, for example. You live in a predominantly white area – although you will likely dispute that, no one knows where you really live on a message board – and if you really do live in SE Michigan, i’m guessing Ann Arbor or at best the far-out Detroit suburbs. That’s limousine-liberal hypocrisy. I know, you had two black students at Andover High in Bloomfield, so you know all about this stuff.

        NotCoach in reply to User-Name. | May 4, 2023 at 2:31 pm

        I didn’t give my age, nor claim any experience with the 60s. I was born in 71, and have lived in Oakland County my entire life. I went to Pontiac schools until I was 10, where I was a minority. But if this is your silly response because I disagree with you, then I see no point in continuing the discussion.

    pfg in reply to User-Name. | May 4, 2023 at 12:18 pm

    “I don’t want to live in ‘black culture’ if you follow that to the logical conclusion.”

    Take a look at Derbyshire’s Rules, especial;y Rule 10,

    txvet2 in reply to User-Name. | May 4, 2023 at 12:43 pm

    Your analogy breaks down because Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia were artificial political constructs that united culturally different contiguous populations and were imposed on the populace, and especially with regards to Yugoslavia, forced together ethnic groups that hated each others guts. To a degree, the same thing is true of Canada. With the exception of black slaves, the growth of the US was primarily an expansion of a common culture, and those who immigrated did so with the understanding that they would become part of the culture. Most did. There is no ethnic rivalry between Germans, Poles, and Czechs who settled most of Texas, because they adopted the American (essentially English) culture. When those European countries dissolved, they did so with the full support of the citizens and returned to their former cultural enclaves. Any splitting of the US would be just as artificial as the formation of those European multi-ethnic countries was, because there is no such ethnic/cultural grouping. It would be a really complicated exercise in gerrymandering to put together “black” or even “leftist” states without imposing them by force on a lot of people who were neither, and resulting in the same pressures, albeit in reverse, that forced the dissolution of Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia.

      CommoChief in reply to txvet2. | May 4, 2023 at 12:53 pm

      Not if the split was based upon ideological lines between those who value individual identity/merit, individual responsibility and individual consequences V those who value tribal identity/merit, tribal responsibility and tribal consequences.

      That’s what is already occurring through the great sorting. People are picking up and moving to areas that more closely align with how they view the world; one of tribes or one of individuals. That’s the real divide.

        txvet2 in reply to CommoChief. | May 4, 2023 at 5:09 pm

        Like I said, that would take some serious gerrymandering.

          CommoChief in reply to txvet2. | May 4, 2023 at 5:27 pm

          Meh, do a County by County vote for team red or team blue. No ‘landlocked’ Counties allowed, they must be contiguous to the Gulf, Atlantic, Pacific, Canadian border or Mexican boarder. Swaps allowed on a County for County basis if the voters of each County to be swapped agree in a direct vote.

          Folks ‘behind the lines’ on each side can do an individual swap with their similarly situated counterparts…or suck it up and get with whichever program is the result if they choose to stay put.

          Very doable with a bit of goodwill on all sides. Just another line on the ballot and some home/business sales/swaps and moving van rentals. We do this shit every day and it really doesn’t have to be more complicated than that.

          txvet2 in reply to txvet2. | May 4, 2023 at 6:37 pm

          Well, at least you’ve got a vivid imagination. Basic point: If there were any good will involved anywhere in this situation, it wouldn’t be necessary to even contemplate that kind of split.

          CommoChief in reply to txvet2. | May 4, 2023 at 7:16 pm

          Your point about goodwill is very well taken. However a simple straightforward plan such as I laid out in less than a couple minutes is eminently doable. Which is why if the sad day comes for a split it won’t be at all pretty. It will involve a great deal of unnecessary hardship, pain, suffering and death. We should be willing to keep that sad day as far in the distance as possible until it is no longer possible. Probably not in my lifetime.

          txvet2 in reply to txvet2. | May 4, 2023 at 9:07 pm

          I don’t think you believe for a NY second that any such scheme would work. It completely ignores the realities of the real estate market, much less human nature. Besides, the left always cheats.

          CommoChief in reply to txvet2. | May 5, 2023 at 8:09 am

          Sure it could work….given the goodwill I listed as a requirement for it. You correctly point out that in the absence of that goodwill aka no cheating, it will fail.

          Not only would the lefties cheat they wouldn’t allow it in the first place. Some of them are wise enough to understand that they would end up with an odd geography rump State of the NE, most of the Pacific coast but not inland Empire, an upper Midwest bastion and a border city State centered on El Paso TX/Las Cruces NM.

          They couldn’t feed themselves or generate electricity or refine enough fuel or drill enough NG/oil. The wise among them understand this. The rest are so hell bent on imposing their ideology through totalitarianism that they wouldn’t be willing to simply let us go. Both sets like being able to tell the rest of us what to do.

          txvet2 in reply to txvet2. | May 5, 2023 at 9:25 am

          There are a lot of people on the right, including on this board, who are actually serious about secession, but never seem to have tried to figure out how it could actually work, or what it would look like if they actually succeeded. Your “plan” is cute, but obviously not offered as a serious suggestion. I don’t mind you pulling my leg, it actually helps frame the discussion – and points up the futility of going down that road.

        healthguyfsu in reply to CommoChief. | May 5, 2023 at 1:34 am

        I wish I shared your subtle optimism on the “great sorting”

        A lot of the people leaving are merely doing so because they can buy more in a cheaper area than where they made their money on an inflated salary and owned an inflated equity home in the NorthEast, NorthWest, or California. They aren’t making political shifts, merely economic ones.

          CommoChief in reply to healthguyfsu. | May 5, 2023 at 7:58 am

          To a degree you are certainly correct. On the other hand if these folks are arriving based on a clear eyed decision re free market economics, selling high and buying low, then all hope for them isn’t lost.

      Petrushka in reply to txvet2. | May 4, 2023 at 1:57 pm

      Wondering about Mexico, which seems to have fused native, Spanish, and German (Mariachi, beer) cultures. Of course their government is a tiny bit dysfunctional.

        txvet2 in reply to Petrushka. | May 4, 2023 at 4:46 pm

        If what I hear is correct, Mexico is still mostly ruled by the descendants of the conquistadors, and of course the primary language is Spanish, and has been for centuries. Our culture has also absorbed customs and language, as well as things like placenames from immigrants and “natives”. If we wanted to emulate what was done in Europe, we’d have to be forcibly united with Mexico and Canada by some power greater than our own.

          randian in reply to txvet2. | May 4, 2023 at 9:18 pm

          we’d have to be forcibly united with Mexico

          Such as, for example, by having a non-existent southern border that has allowed millions of uninvited Mexicans into the US?

          txvet2 in reply to txvet2. | May 4, 2023 at 10:49 pm

          No, such as having a mutual government. And of course your question contains a fallacy, given that most of the people streaming across our southern border aren’t Mexican. The main contingents at the moment seem to include Haitians, Venezuelans and Chinese.

    gonzotx in reply to User-Name. | May 4, 2023 at 1:09 pm

    I agree, tired of the violence, it’s only going to get worse

      The Gentle Grizzly in reply to gonzotx. | May 4, 2023 at 5:06 pm

      You are correct. I have a very close friend who is a leftist, but at least is capable of holding discussions rather than mouthing shibboleths. I set his mind to thinking when I said to him, ” ‘Celebrate Diversity’ is nothing more than a polite way of saying, ‘divide and conquer’ “.

Bucky Barkingham | May 4, 2023 at 11:49 am

When Scott Adams suggested a separation of Whites and Blacks he was demonized and cancelled, so that’s why no one else will say it.

In the 1950s and 1960s schools widely used the track system = placement based on learning ability. Then it became unfashionable. At least calling it that. But in truth it never went away.

How could it go away? We all learn different things at different rates.

So why is it surprising that the left wing, which runs so-called “academia,” would want that for medical school. The regular track and the slow-track. And guess who’ll be in the slow-track,

DIEversity, Inequity, Exclusion (DIE)

George Corley Wallace would be pleased and proud to see that these pointy-headed academics agree with him that racial segregation is good for the blacks as well as the whites.

I lived under racial segregation, and frankly, I thought it was evil. I still think it’s evil, and these people who continue to push segregated dorms, graduations, and medical schools are idiots. None of them have ever lived under real segregation, and they don’t know what they’re talking about.

    Crawford in reply to OldProf2. | May 4, 2023 at 1:03 pm

    My dad — who no one would claim was “enlightened” on race issues — told me he was physically ill the first time he saw segregated fountains.

      henrybowman in reply to Crawford. | May 5, 2023 at 6:01 pm

      The engineering VP of our computer startup, a native and exclusive resident of Massachusetts, had the same reaction when he flew down to accompany our DC/VA sales team on a major call in the late ’80s.
      Riding in our car down I-66 from the airport to the customer location, we passed a bona fide chain gang, shackles in full view, working the pavers. Everyone could see his Yankee shock, naked on his face.
      “Yeah, we still got ’em down here,” our salesman assured him matter-of-factly.
      (They weren’t a segregated gang, don’t mean to imply they were.)

    CommoChief in reply to OldProf2. | May 4, 2023 at 1:06 pm

    Plenty of Northern political figures were opposed to integration efforts during the period as well; including Joe Biden. He made waves opposing busing students to integrate segregated schools in the Northern States.

    Suddenly integration wasn’t quite the holy crusade requiring instant upheaval when efforts and impacts were no longer concentrated on the ’embarrassing, backward’ South.

    All this was before my time as I grew up in the fully integrated South. Glad I did and I have no wish to be otherwise. Let’s make sure we don’t forget, attempt to minimize or wish away the hypocrisy on display by some in the North when their turn came. It is instructive in the modern era where the same folks from those days are arguing for a return to segregation. It was evil then and more so now b/c it is an attempt to reinstate an evil regime we managed to cast off.

      alaskabob in reply to CommoChief. | May 4, 2023 at 1:30 pm

      The race riots in NYC during the Civil War Era and the modern “Busing” era such as in Boston.

        The Gentle Grizzly in reply to alaskabob. | May 4, 2023 at 5:10 pm

        I* remember the photos and newsreels of all those Good Democrats in Southie screaming “n1663r!” and “no busing!” louder than Southerners. Then, come election day they were at the polls pulling the Democrat levers.

“Founded on legacies of colonialism and racism”… Those Greeks again… circa 400BC… colonizing as usual. Can we white colonizers demand no more appropriation of our science, our culture and our laws? The Indo-European and Chinese cultures are the basis for the modern world. That includes the Ptolemic Egypt.

“Also, the USC School of Medicine said that Black students can’t sit through the lecture format”

The mind wonders about what in the world they would be doing part way through..

““The USC School of Medicine’s dean of surgery said that merit is a hateful ideal in surgery. Also, the USC School of Medicine said that Black students can’t sit through the lecture format. They also said that, too. These are hateful ideals and hateful ideas. They deserve to be denounced.”…”

Excellence in surgery is a hateful idea? Am I to take that to mean that these people are proposing to create a school for NON-excellent black surgeons? And what is that statement about black students being unable to sit still for lectures?

Ah. Here it is: they are seeking to shove unqualified students into medical schools, and the kids can’t keep up.

“Immersion in the existing medical education system can therefore be retraumatizing, resulting in imposter syndrome, heightened anxiety, and a reduced sense of belonging. ”

This a communist “fuck-the-system” type of solution designed to destroy our medical schools and make students miserable. We don’t have to do this, but the real solution will take time, namely a generation of school-children, to correct.

We need to fix our schools. The Federal government intrusion into our school system via the Department of Education has not only failed to improve our poor-quality schools, but is also persistently down-grading the good ones.

California can’t even teach geometry, any more. There is no reason to suppose its school system can produce potential surgeons, except by accident.

    MajorWood in reply to Valerie. | May 9, 2023 at 9:33 pm

    Families need to be fixed before the schools. In my world, if a kid can’t read by the time that they start school, they will never catch up. This involves about 5 years of parent time reading, writing, and doing math drills. This has nothing to do with race. It has everything to do with culture and family values.

nordic prince | May 4, 2023 at 1:58 pm

Between the lies of “covid” and this CRT crap, you’re better off getting all your doctoring from Granny Clampett than from these goons.

If the medical schools truly wish to eliminate colonialism, perhaps they should set up a curriculum free of knowledge of germs, virus, cells, bacteria, antibiotics, x-ray’s, MRI’s, CT scans, and practically the entire world of modern medicine, avoid the use of objects and structures built with concrete, steel, plastics, and glass, eliminate any use of electricity, and only use clothing made entirely with natural fibers and herbs from the locals forests and fields. And, oh by the way, only communicate via word of mouth – not by any electronic or printed means.

One of these days, I sincerely hope that the folks who so mindlessly bandy about the word “colonialism” will come to understand the massive endowment that we have received from our fore-bearers.

Fine. Then I demand the government remove all anti-segregation laws. Including affirmative action and Title IX. If you’re all so determined to divide us up, let’s do that and see how the one group fares over the other.

(You really won’t like the end results.)

I say we divide the country along Progressive-Christian lines. Let everyone move where they will. And watch how many successful blacks move to the Christian America and how many of the thuggish cultures (not just blacks) move to the Progressive one. Then a generation later, the Progressives look wistfully at the other side and wish they could move (which we have wisely concluded would be a bad move, and we actually enforce our borders).

    This is getting closer, but to be honest, there are plenty of agnostics and atheists who completely reject the progressive lunacy, many who are conservative or at least right-leaning. How about just progressive/”woke” v. NOT progressive/”woke”? 😛

      Paula in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | May 4, 2023 at 5:02 pm

      “How about just progressive/”woke” v. NOT progressive/”woke”?”

      That works for me.

      ConradCA in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | May 4, 2023 at 6:15 pm

      How about progressive fascist racists?

      txvet2 in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | May 4, 2023 at 11:05 pm

      “”How about just progressive/”woke” v. NOT progressive/”woke”?””

      Problem with that is that attitude changes with age for the most part. This in the same vein as Chief’s county by county secession – the numbers can change radically over time.

        Point taken. I wonder, though, if this new hyper-level of woke being taught from kindergarten on is really something a significant percentage will (or even can) outgrow. It’s one thing to outgrow unrealistic fantasies like communist utopias where everyone works and contributes and everyone reaps the rewards if you eventually learn about other, more realistic and effective systems or aren’t lied to about America, but it’s quite another to be taught from the cradle that America is evil, white people are the devil, and men can become women. We might be moving past the “oh, they’ll outgrow it” stage?

          txvet2 in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | May 5, 2023 at 9:38 am

          Frankly, if they don’t outgrow it, we’re finished as a country. That couldn’t be more obvious. I’ve been accused of being a fatalist because I point out that under the current circumstances there is no way a Republican can win a presidential election, but I’m also an optimist in that, as with the Boomers, who went through somewhat the same sort of indoctrination albeit not to the same degree, I believe enough will retain their sanity to keep the place afloat.

          I remain comforted in the knowledge that in all likelihood I won’t be here to see it, and I’ve already apologized to my progeny for the mess we’ve left them.

          henrybowman in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | May 5, 2023 at 6:07 pm

          The other insoluble problem is the generational pendulum. Even in a society where the young are NOT force-fed propaganda, a significant portion of each generation always takes oppositional stances from their parents’, just to rebel. It’s practically an anthropological necessity. That’s one of the two major reasons that Galt’s Gulch doesn’t work (the other being a requirement for a perfect barrier to invasion).

When you look at medical school admissions, the average Asian will not be accepted with the scores (grades, MCAT) that the average Black gets into medical school with. In medical school the differences between the two populations is obvious and significant with Asians vastly outperforming Blacks and, effectively, outperforming everyone else though you do have Whites challenging if only because they’re the largest group and they’re also discriminated against when it comes to admissions.

Consequently, I won’t have a Black doctor. My life is more important than the liberal bullshit that has, simply put, pushed through too many lesser qualified individuals at the expense of the highly qualified.

    The Gentle Grizzly in reply to MosesZD. | May 4, 2023 at 5:15 pm

    How many Blacks don’t want Black doctors?

      henrybowman in reply to The Gentle Grizzly. | May 5, 2023 at 6:12 pm

      But you’re entirely overlooking the Magical Negro effect.
      “Studies show” that the mere presence of a black doctor in a county improves outcomes for black patients… even if they never see each other.
      That’s some powerful mojo, Grizz.
      You should at least keep one in the courthouse, under glass.

Separate medical schools for blacks and only black doctors working on blacks.

Ah yes, The New England Journal of racism. Racism Now, Racism Tomorrow, Racism forever.

NEJM: Partying like it’s 1923.

Lucifer Morningstar | May 5, 2023 at 9:22 am

Segregated schools
Segregated housing
Segregated jobs
Segregated stores
Segregated businesses

Scott Adams was correct. But he was demonized and cancelled for his views. But he was correct. blacks hate White people (they are a hate group) and therefore White people should withdraw and not associate in any manner with blacks.

    Although the numbers are undoubtedly declining under the unrelenting propaganda from the left, I believe that the majority of blacks still just want to get on with their lives and not join the revolution. They’re not out in the street demanding to do away with the police when crime is destroying their neighborhoods. Besides, this whole movement is being driven by a black facade covering for a lot of white leftists. I’ve known too many, worked with too many, associated with too many blacks to write off the entire race.

      Lucifer Morningstar in reply to txvet2. | May 5, 2023 at 10:14 am

      Sorry, blacks do not get to pick and choose what areas they will be segregated from whites in and what areas they will not be segregated. It’s an all or nothing thing. Either complete segregation or no segregation and blacks will just have to learn to deal with it either way.

      Scott Adams was correct. blacks do not want to associate with whites. So whites should give them what they desire and withdraw and not associate with blacks at all.

      Segregated schools
      Segregated housing
      Segregated jobs
      Segregated businesses

      No more pandering to a race that hates white people.

      And then when blacks fail to thrive and succeed they’ll have nobody else to blame but themselves.

      henrybowman in reply to txvet2. | May 5, 2023 at 6:26 pm

      Nixon famously appealed to the “silent majority” of traditional Americans.
      I’m positive a similar cohort exists among blacks. But silence makes them irrelevant, same as Nixon’s Republicans became.
      Maybe we should borrow another of the left’s new rules, by having applicants for “traditional America” complete a DEI-type statement describing their history of personally advocating against the “new racism.”

    As a WASP man who was born in Alabama in 1950 and saw what you refer to close up and personal, I have to say this in response:


    Nostalgically returning to the “good old days” will multiply our problems, not solve them. If you want the country to explode and destroy itself, then keep saying that. I’ve seen it and it’s ugly. Any segregation strictly on only race should be looked at with a jaundiced eye. If that’s what you want, you won’t like what you get.

    George Corely Wallace sought forgiveness from the Black community. He learned from his mistakes. We need to pay attention.

Lucifer Morningstar | May 5, 2023 at 11:14 am

1. If you haven’t notice the country has already exploded and is in the process of destroying itself over racial issues. And that had nothing to do with segregation or anything I said, did not say, or might say.

2. Yes, it’s ugly but that’s what blacks apparently are demanding. Go figure.

3. It’s not what I want. It’s apparently what the black community wants.

4. No, Wallace allegedly renounced his views on segregation. He didn’t seek “forgiveness from the black community”. He simply stated as a Born Again Christian he no longer believed in segregation.

Scott Adams was correct. blacks do not want to associate with whites. So whites should give them what they desire and withdraw and not associate with blacks at all.

Segregated schools
Segregated housing
Segregated jobs
Segregated businesses

No more pandering to a race that hates white people.

And then when blacks fail to thrive and succeed they’ll have nobody else to blame but themselves.

    SpamfRoming in reply to Lucifer Morningstar. | May 6, 2023 at 7:49 am

    “nobody else to blame but themselves”

    But they’ll do it anyway. They already blame their current actions on policies and societies that have been dead for 150 years, long before most of their families had reached our shores. There are Democrats who teach them this racial enmity from birth for the express purpose of creating unreasoning zombie armies. And to try to counter this false message of hate means you are somehow the racist.

    MajorWood in reply to Lucifer Morningstar. | May 9, 2023 at 9:42 pm

    >> And then when blacks fail to thrive and succeed they’ll have nobody else to blame but themselves. <<

    Around my parts the blacks don't really weigh in on this. They have white liberals as their proxy to blame me, "the wrong kind of white person," for the failings of the blacks. This is really something, as believe it or not, I actually have better things to do with my waking hours than oppress black people. But that apparently isn't doing enough, as I am now being told that simply being silent (which I interpret as me just doing my thing oblivious to what is going on around me) is also racist. At some point I expect to be told that sleeping on my side and not on my back is racist as well, because.

When you teach Darwinism as fact, then, of course, you get some people more evolved than others.

If you teach that God created man and woman then equality flows naturally from that presupposition.

Ideas have consequences, especially bad ideas.

SpamfRoming | May 6, 2023 at 7:43 am

OK, so let’s just take it one more step. Whites and Asians are allowed to enroll. Nobody else. Because the only reason you would want separate (but unequal) classes is to dumb down half the classes to give “better grades.” But with those false high marks comes medical incompetence and dead patients.

It is not ‘Diversitiy, Equity and Inclusion’ (DEI).
It is ‘Diversity, Inclusion and Equity’ : DIE.
That is what is happening in the USA. It is dying slowly but surely. Sitting outside the country and watching what is going on and shaking my head at how in less than a generation up is down, wrong is right, lunacy is normal and a man in a skirt is heroic.
I remember way back when integration was just starting to rear its ugly head, that the local black school did not want to combine with the white school. They wanted to remain separate. When told they would have to integrate they pretty much trashed their own school. Not much has changed in the ethnic DNA.
The 1950s are calling. They want their lunch counters back…

Why should anyone be surprised that these bigots are calling for segregated medical schools? There are university campuses in the US now where there are segregated dorms, segregated dining facilities, segregated student lounges, segregated graduations, all with the blessings of the “diversity” crowd. Can segregated water fountains and bathrooms be far behind? So blacks cannot handle the rigors of taking notes in a lecture hall!? The racists who make these pathetic observations and who propose these policies are channeling their inner George Wallace, where in the early 1960s, he once shouted to an adoring crowd of morons something to the effect– segregation before, segregation now, segregation forever. Now it’s those with graduate degrees eagerly engaged in the race-baiting. At least Wallace didn’t pretend to be helping the oppressed. Defund the universities.