DeSantis on Trump Indictment: ‘Florida Will Not Assist in an Extradition Request Given the Questionable Circumstances at Issue With This Soros-Backed Manhattan Prosecutor and His Political Agenda’
“The Soros-backed Manhattan District Attorney has consistently bent the law to downgrade felonies and to excuse criminal misconduct.”
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis responded to the Manhattan grand jury indictment of Donald Trump:
The weaponization of the legal system to advance a political agenda turns the rule of law on its head.
It is un-American.
The Soros-backed Manhattan District Attorney has consistently bent the law to downgrade felonies and to excuse criminal misconduct. Yet, now he is…
— Ron DeSantis (@GovRonDeSantis) March 30, 2023
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Ron DeSanctimonius no more.
Ron did the right thing
Here in Florida Trump is probably more popular than DeSantis. DeSantis doing this is a win-win for Trump.
Well, it was the right thing to do.
I’m here in Florida too and I say you are incorrect about that. Trump popular but D and R and I all like DeSantis.
So who do you think would win a primary in Florida between them?
I’m Floridian, and DeSantis would crush Trump in this state. Trump would likely win elsewhere, but DeSantis is immensely popular here.
DeSantis was my congressman prior to becoming governor. I also work voter registration in a red county. And almost every Republican that I speak with tell me they want Trump one more term and DeSantis to wait until 2028. Ron has been a very good governor and the almost every Republican here in Florida will say, “I don’t want to lose Ron DeSantis as governor.” That is why Trump is more popular.
Sorry, no. I know lots of two time Trump voters who won’t vote for him again. He will need Independents and moderates and I can tell you they will not be flocking to him as some sort of “retribution” for being indicted. Trump is too old; too unhinged; narcissistic and petty. I knew the last three in this list when I voted for him. But now he has gone off the rails. Too old and can’t change..
It’s DeSantis’s time.. And you should be looking at the new state polls – not the national ones. Trump has lost a lot of support in Iowa. DeSantis leads him there by eight in the latest poll.They’re tied in New Hampshire. And new poll in North Carolina has Desantis beating Joe Biden. And DeSantis hasn’t even entered the race yet!
I guess Floridians don’t mind that he pretty much said his focus would be on being their governor, and not the White House? Seems to me he has ditched y’all. Maybe all those seniors have short memories, just like me.
And exactly HOW has he “ditched” the people of Florida?
wait for it..
How has he ditched Floridians? On his Facebook and Instagram every day, he is signing some bill or another. I know he scares you but at least be truthful about him
Not according to recent polling data. And DeSantis is fresh off of a landslide victory in which he outperformed Trump from 2020 election. Regardless, DeSantis recognizes why this indictment is BS. If the only reason you praise DeSantis is because he is seemingly supporting Trump you miss the point. Right is right, and wrong is wrong.
We shall see
He NEVER was …. That’s just an idiot response by Trump that makes even us fans of his cringe.
He wasn’t “Ron DeSanctimonius” in the first place.
Good for him. Will it ever get that far? Or will Trump show up to reinforce the apparent injustice (witch hunt) against him?
Right now, a conviction is a foregone conclusion. Sorry, Milhouse, the rule of law and the foundation of justice are nonexistent in NYC for this case.
When the case is either dismissed by a judge or results in acquittal will you admit you were wrong?
My initial impression proved right Alvin Bragg is trying to get us to vote Trump in the primary.
And if it’s a corrupt judge who doesn’t dismiss and a jury filled with Leftist who won’t acquit? Both are very possible. We are talking about New York.
I don’t know, the jury selection will mean a lot, and from what we’ve heard it sounds like it would be hard to overcome reasonable doubt. I’d have a lot of doubt that handsome, strong, successful Donald Trump the real estate mogul and TV star who can marry one woman after another would any interest in touching Stormy Daniels.
Trump will show up in the most public manner possible. He wants absolute MAXIMUM public spectacle.
Trump WANTS a picture of them slapping handcuffs on him so he can splash it everywhere.
He’s going to use his mug shot as his campaign photo.
His lawyer said he did NOT want to be indicted, period. Who does? But now he must play the cards dealt and take advantage to best illustrate the points he’s been making since the start. That despite all that he’s been through personally, it’s not about him, but us.
Auditioning for VP?
Or maybe he’s just a stand-up guy. Still waiting for the first time DeSantis screws me over on something I consider important. But not holding my breath.
Can’t, they are both Florida residents, so they’d lose Florida’s electoral votes. But good positioning for 2028.
I’d larf my butt off if when NY state indicts and arrests Trump, he switched his residency back to NY to fight the charges, thereby enabling a Trump – DeSantis ticket.
How does that matter? One would be nominated (unless someone else is nominated), and that one would presumably get all Florida’s electoral votes in the election.
This is about Desantis running as Trump’s VP. Not going to happen. First of all, why would Desantis even want it? He’d be crazy to accept.
Second, unless one of them moved to another state, if the result ended up being close then each of Florida’s 30 electors would have to choose one of the two to vote for, and cast their other vote for someone else. If the majority was 16 then that would be fine. 15 would vote for Trump and 15 for Desantis and they’d both have majorities.
But if the majority is 15 or fewer then they’d have to choose which one gets a majority and which race gets thrown to the House or the Senate. If the Rs get the senate back, then it would make sense for them to vote for Trump and send the VP race to the senate. If the Ds keep the senate, but the Rs still have the majority of state delegations in the House (it doesn’t matter who actually controls the House) then they should vote for Desantis and throw the presidential race to the House. But if the Ds control both then they’d have to vote for Trump and let the Ds get the VP slot, which would guarantee more impeachment attempts.
Nobody with a brain is doing that the chance Trump becomes president again is 0%.
This stupidity in NYC is making it a lot more than 0%.
Well it makes it more likely that Trump will be our nominee.
But most people are not Republicans (if they were we would still have the White House).
Nobody is looking at this and saying “Trump is unfairly charged with a campaign finance violation so I will vote for him”.
The people outraged at this are already voting for whoever wins the Republican nomination like you and me the persuadable people will not react at all to this.
Well, hmmm
We do know he would have lost 100% of MAGA is he didn’t come out strong
DeSantis is absolutely doing the correct thing here. It is the appropriate political response to a politically motivated prosecution in another jurisdiction. That said how do you personally define ‘MAGA’ when you use the phrase to describe a multitude of people as you seem to do here? Honest question.
It’s President Trumps signature motto
It belongs to him and his followers
Make up your own…
gonzotx,
No kidding/s
So how do you define his ‘followers’? I ask b/c you seemed to use ‘MAGA’ as a collection of people who would have reacted negatively had DeSantis not reacted with his statement condemning Bragg, his case and declaring that the State of Florida wouldn’t participate or assist in any extradition.
For example do you include in this MAGA collective everyone who ever voted for Trump? Only those who are currently backing him exclusively for his ’24 candidacy for the GoP nomination?
How large do you believe this MAGA collective actually is and what is the common denominator that makes them an exclusive collection of people?
How do I define his followers?
Dear God,
If your asking,
You already should know
gonzotx,
I am not trying to trap or trick you. Just curious how large you consider MAGA to be by numbers and how you define entry into MAGA and how you exclude from MAGA.
Actually,, I think that is a fair question.. whatever the answer is.. our numbers are growing.. One of the talking tv pundits said something about 100 million, by the time this latest act plays out. Not here though.. we are really in a minority here. I see that every day.
BTW someone made an interesting observation.. if you see some kind of protest, MAGA people will be the ones without masks… The provocateurs will keep their faces hidden. I have to assume the FBI will be undercover, their normal MO.
No offense to Kamala, it’s not a Venn Diagram, it’s a simple pie chart. The pie represents Republicans (or maybe conservatives). It’s divided into two portions (you pick the size). One is MAGA, the other is GOPe (country club / chamber of commerce / neocons / your favorite name).
If you view MAGA as the natural evolution of Perot to Tea Party and the election of Trump as the ’16 and ’20 Avatar of the pre-existing but growing populist right movement in opposition of the DC establishment/uni party then I agree with you.
If, like some, you restrict MAGA to those who are Only Trump advocates then I disagree. There are plenty of folks who oppose the DC establishment and uni party who remain undecided about their candidate choice in ’24.
Nevertheless I would hope today that all of us can agree that this prosecution is not only politically motivated but also a damned foolish escalation that must be opposed in a calm manner that belies our inner fury over it.
The Trump side defines maga as “I support Donald Trump for the nomination in 2024”.
Trump is perfectly willing to change his position on almost everything.
Maga just means support Trump’s nomination today it isn’t about policy.
At this point, DeSantis must realize that he cannot get the 2024 nomination no matter what he does. Arresting Trump is a turning point in our history that threatens to undermine everything we believe in. There may not even be an election in 2024 now that Trump has certainly captured the attention and imagination of the world. This drama can only end one way if we are going to hold on to our Republic.
Were DeSantis to take a cue from George Washington and decide that now is not his time and anyone running against Trump is only making things worse, he should give a rousing speech announcing that for the good of America and freedom-loving countries facing the same threats, everyone must be focused on Trump winning this battle for all of us. Then he leads the charge rallying everyone to Trump’s defense. Trump and DeSantis campaigning together across the country.
Even if DeSantis never became president (hard to believe if he did this), he would instantly become a giant historical figure in the world, Like Washington presenting his sword to Congress after the Revolutionary War to return to private life rather than tempt Congress in making him king.
In order for DeSantis to win in 2028, Trump has to win in 2024. DeSantis has to be on the right side of history and pick his battles by national priority. Focus first on winning the existential battle we are now fighting.
DeSantis has yet to say whether he’s interested in the 2024 election. Everyone keeps projecting their expectations onto him. All this drama and angst before they even know what he intends to do is a waste of energy and makes all the MAGA engaging in this behavior look foolish.
Sure. Right. The FL legislature will be voting today to repeal the law requiring he resign as governor if he runs for president. I am sure Trump is behind that. Or maybe it’s just a coincidence that the legislature doing this now. Are completely ignorant?
He’s running. They’re repealing the law which would allow him to stay Governor while he runs for President. This will be done before he announces in May.
Gee, now Ric Grenell is “projecting his expectations”:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/03/31/watch-ric-grenell-calls-on-gop-candidates-to-drop-out-endorse-trump-after-indictment/
Now I am no longer the only one who gets it.
Well, hmmm
You couldn’t possibly use too slow as a criticism, so you had to come with some other backhanded bullshit.
It was actually a bit too quick, like, he knew it was coming…
oooh go do some research on that juicy little tidbit…
Like we will ever know?
That’s the common denominator on 90% of the fabricated bullshit you post.
How is that “too quick”? It was already possible and Trump already predicted it, so DeSantis likely had a response in the can for whenever it happened.
Trumpbots can’t concede anything to DeSantis. It’s against Trump’s first commandment: Thou shalt not speak well of a Republican
Globalist Rinos can’t think outside the box and see that it is not about Truump.
No, I don’t think he would have.
I don’ t know who this “100 % of MAGA ” is you refer to but you do realize that there were millions of Conservatives who voted for Trump who are not blind MAGA followers but do not blindly follow whatever he says and does? Some of us will be voting for DeSantis this time.
I’d say to Santa’s is on point here and that’s exactly the position any sane person would take.
DeSantis… I hate autocorrect on phones
I kinda liked it as Santa
He has brought many gifts to the state of FL!
Except that it’s an explicit violation of his oath to uphold the constitution. Politically it’s the right thing to do but is it really the right thing?
Yes it is in this case.
Dems have been doing this for years with ICE and other stunts.
Does that justify oath-breaking? Even if, as in this case, it’s only an empty threat to break his oath, since he knows very well that Trump will go to NY voluntarily and there will be no extradition request?
Donald would rather turn himself in lol
So, any Republican DA want to charge Obama for murder of an American citizen overseas with a drone without trial?
Or, any Republican DA want to charge Clinton for Epstein island? Or any one of the many arkancides?
The left keeps on taking the gloves off, and then getting the worst of it – I expect this precedent is going to go the same way their judicial filibuster destruction did.
OTOH I might be inclined to selectively impose upon the rights of Leftists when the Right is in power, just as the Left has done to us ….
… and combine it with a sincere offer to stop the impositions when Left and Right come together and pass laws that prohibit imposing such things upon ANYBODY.
That might finally get Leftists to look past their self-righteous fundamentalism and stop imposing their “good ideas” upon us all.
“and combine it with a sincere offer to stop the impositions when Left and Right come together and pass laws that prohibit imposing such things upon ANYBODY.”
You mean, like… the Constitution?
Yeah, that horse has flown.
Agreed. A line was crossed today by the lawfare version of a bunch of bullies and the only way to successfully deal with bullies is to give them a much larger dose of their medicine.
Let the populist right lawfare counter attacks begin. They should only end when we get tired of it, run out of targets for prosecution or the d/prog humbly confess and beg forgiveness to heal the Nation.
And start doing that now. Tie everything up into a knot so nothing gets done. We have to start taking advantage of outnumbering them. Get them bogged down everywhere. Put them on the defensive. They will be launching another urban warfare initiative anyway as the inevitability of Trump winning the GOP nomination and then the WH becomes clear.
The Tranny Liberation Front, as fabulous as they may be, are a new wrinkle but most of them are already Antifa anyway. They can’t be everywhere and if we stop allowing them to select the battle field, we can thin out their ranks. Now if also start going after the $84B of corporate contributions to BLM…. We are not helpless. We are just too timid and unimaginative.
The right needs to learn to do this.
After 20 years or so, a good long time, I would be willing to consider moving onto your second paragraph. Not interested in sincere offers made because they have no choice. Drive on to wreck their whole “movement”, well deserved for their sins. A lot of reparations are due from the left to conservatives.
Any such charge would never get past a grand jury or a committal hearing. And if it did it would be squashed down flat by the first real judge to look at it, and the DA would be sanctioned.
These charges are garbage, but they’re not facially frivolous. The laws exist, and there’s something to consider. Dismissing them (as they should be) takes some reasoning. What you suggest is facially frivolous and requires no reasoning at all to dismiss.
Rev up the LI analysis team for the trial. While the outcome is never in doubt, the coverage will be needed to cut through the intentional noise.
Dershowitz said Trump will probably be convicted, in that jurisdiction before that judge. I don’t know if there’s context showing he didn’t really mean that, but usually he says what he means pretty simply.
And I can’t imagine there’s much left of the “union” if that happens.
Mr. Bragg really hasn’t thought out the implications of what he’s doing.
A politically motivated conservative DA in the right red-state jurisdiction might well find reasons, including reasons as weakly argued as Mr. Bragg appears to be doing, to indict, say, Hunter Biden (is there a drug law, child support law, or something that he HASN’T violated?). Or some other family member of the ruling elite. Gotta be one somewhere, and if one isn’t enough one could indict fifty or so.
That’s where this goes, as the Romans demonstrated starting with the Brothers Gracchi. Eventually you end up with Augustus, even if you don’t see it in your own lifetime.
I don’t want that kind of legal system. The indictment is wrong, and a refusal to obey an extradition request that otherwise is proper under Article IV is wrong. Both are wrong. But if the elites, the people in power, and the country won’t put a stop to it, then we’re going to have multiple, multiple wrongs being committed over the next few years.
This has zero to do with Bragg. He is a distraction. What do they want you not to see?
I want that kind of legal system. I won’t let them do it to my side, then seek the best way forward. Retribution is necessary, otherwise we’re wimps and losers and idiots.
Face it, you know that.
How could a conservative DA find a crime Hunter Biden committed in his county? Even allegedly?
New York County gets to indict pretty much anyone in the world for financial crimes, because all money goes through NY. And in this case Trump was a NY County resident at the time of the alleged crimes.
Just spinning off the top of my head … sold a painting made with paint and canvas bought with illicit gains, bought by someone in a given jurisdiction.
It’s easy to make these up and they’re still above the standard set by Bragg’s charges. I don’t know how that becomes a Hunter Biden crime, but even a crummy lawyer could figure out a few “reasons” without trying hard.
Ha, too funny and too late. Ronnie is part of the swamp. He can’t even say Trumps name.
2 down vote. Ha. I am loving it. Ronnie does not know the first think about standing strong for this country. It is not about Trump, it is about standing up for this country and our values. I don’t hear that in his message.
He believes he is the better candidate at this time. The Republican nominee will be the standard bearer (unless RFK Jr. is the Dem nominee in which case I’d have to think). But we haven’t picked the nominee yet.
You are an idiot
Too Funny, that is the best you can do? I am for anyone that is going to throw sand in the machine and change the course. This has everything to do with the Tea Party beliefs. They continue to label us as religious right (which I am not of), tea party and now Trump supporter. But I am not. I am a founding father believer in Washington and Hamilton. Nobody, not even Trump fits that bill, but until we move back towards our founders, we are lost. DeSantis is bought and paid for. I question if Trump is too, but he is not part of the club. With $83 “B” and probably at least a $1/2 T of NGO money gotten though the scamdemic, nobody can stop that. I think caseoftheblues in a bot. Check out https://dc.claremont.org/blm-funding-database/ if you want to follow the money.
11 down vote, that is the most I ever got and I did not say anything bad. I suspect the site has been hijacked. No retorts. I dare you to check out the funding sources. Check out O’Keefs OMG Act Blue video. I question WinRed now too. Where is the discussion or has this place become an echo chamber. The elephant in the room is Soros-backed Manhattan District Attorney! Nobody is asking the hard question, where is the money coming from and how is it being used. Ya ain’t going to fix the problem unless you address that. Vote fraud is real and well organized. You have been warned.
Your opinion is just unpopular. But sure claim rigged…it’s not like the Trump cultists haven’t gone to that well more than a few times.
Yea, expect it is more than the Trump cults. Follow the money and the link. 83 B to BLM with over 1 B being dumped to NAACP. Sound more like extortion. But don’t go there.
Unlike healthguyfsu I do think many elections are rigged these days, including presidential 2020, almost always in favor of Dems because the Reps are too unwilling to play the game by the rules that actually exist, or because the judiciary is Dem captured and will punish any effort by the Reps to level the playing field.
None of that means Trump is the best nominee in 2024. DeSantis isn’t disloyal to us by putting his name forward. As for his loyalty to Trump, that’s between them, and surely there’s history we don’t know, but so what anyway? Trump has been disloyal to his friends too. People don’t remember often enough how he dumped all the passionate “Trumpers” from his 2016 campaign and hired swamp. Usually presidents keep some of the staffers. Trump was the least loyal and let their jobs all expire.
Ahh, se, even you don’t like you
in reply to healthguyfsu. | March 30, 2023 at 8:32 pm
That’s the common denominator on 90% of the fabricated bullshit you
You are pathetic. Try to respond in thread and make some kind of intelligible retort next time.
Any Manhattan judge that presides over Trump’s conviction will receive full- professor offers from the usual woke law schools and be on the social-political “A” list forever. The judiciary will become an open joke.
I wonder how Melania is doing this has got to be insane
Thank you for saying this. She and Barron must be devastated
From what I know about marriages, a typical reaction is:
“see I told you something bad would happen. You should not have run.”
How sad. You must be in an unhappy marriage or have been in the past. Not every marriage is like that.
You know that there are most likely charges related to Karen McDougal the Playboy playmate Trump had the fling with, correct? I am sure that Melania has long known about her husband’s dalliances and has tried to look the other way.
Yeah, it justified a vacation during her husband’s arraignment. I’m not taking her side on this. She could have had a vacation another time. After all if she hates him, why wouldn’t she want to be out of the house while he’s there, and enjoy the time there when he’s not?
34 counts
https://twitter.com/PaulaReidCNN/status/1641581182562213889
No one wonders how CNN got a sealed indictmen?. This just proves that the whole system is sick. Pro Trump or Pro DeSantis.
Pro Both.
I thought he didn’t know anything about paying off porn stars. Guess he just realized that he doesn’t want to become Liz Cheney 2.0 .
“I don’t know what goes into paying hush money to a porn star to secure silence over some type of alleged affair,” So how does he know this is a “questionable” prosecution?
Maybe read the rest of the quote next time.
So if Florida won’t assist on extradition how does this work? Trump turns himself in? Do the Feds have to get involved here to transport Trump to New York (U.S. Marshalls I presume)? At any rate this is going to create one hell of a circus for Trump to take advantage of for his campaign.
They have to negotiate for his surrender. Rittenhouse’s initial lawyers screwed up in extradition. Done right, he would not have to put up bail.
No, they do not have to negotiate. The constitution could not be more explicit. Illinois had no choice but to turn Rittenhouse over, even if it didn’t want to, which it did. The Illinois courts certainly had no role to play.
Hochul sends Desantis an extradition request. Desantis has a constitutional duty to turn him over, no matter what he thinks about it. If he refuses he is violating his oath. If he doesn’t care about that, Hochul goes straight to court and a federal judge orders him to hand Trump over, and that’s that. If he still refuses they both get arrested.
But this is all theoretical, because Trump has no intention of avoiding this. He will go to NY and surrender with as much publicity as he can manage.
I’m just posting to give the idiot down-voters something to down-vote. Come getcha some.
Don’t you need to actually express an opinion for anyone to bother downvoting you?
If Ron really wanted to make a statement, he would have said Florida will prevent any attempt at extradition. On the surface his original statement sounds good but is rather toothless. It’s like saying, I won’t help you kill this guy, but I won’t stop you either.
Without cooperation from the State of Florida and its political subdivisions which DeSantis ruled out today the State of NY can’t extradite Trump. The State of NY, unlike the Federal govt, must have the cooperation of Florida to proceed. They can’t send some NYPD guys to Florida to arrest Trump b/c they have no arrest power outside NY.
So in fact DeSantis told Bragg and the State of NY to piss off about trying to extradite Trump. It may have sounded polite but this was an open declaration of defiance of what is usually a routine request granted among State leaders. It also puts any extradition requests from Florida of NY into doubt. Please don’t downplay the seriousness of the commitment DeSantis made today in refusing the to cooperate.
Not true. They don’t have to send NYPD guys down to Florida. All they have to send is an order of mandamus from any federal judge. If it is not complied with, the judge sends federal marshals to arrest Desantis. And there is no judge in the country who would not do that.
Notwithstanding the rather tortured case law on this subject, the many exclusions, some broadened interpretation, others narrowing the previous broadening, the 11th Amendment seems applicable.
IMO Where a State can ignore cooperation request from the Federal govt re immigration, which is the current reality, one State can certainly ignore a cooperation request of another State which is another equivalent Sovereign. States routinely refuse to offer ‘full, faith and credit’ for the acts of another State for all sorts of things.
Again, my opinion and I could certainly be mistaken but the only real test of that would be the result of litigation.
There is no “tortured case law” on this. There is nothing to litigate about. The constitution is explicit. When an extradition request comes in from another state, you have no choice in the matter. You have to comply immediately. If you don’t, the requesting state is entitled to a writ of mandamus. End of story.
With federal requests for cooperation, it’s the exact opposite: the constitution protects a state’s right to refuse, and the courts will unanimously uphold that refusal.
It’ll get interesting.
18 U.S. Code § 3182 – Fugitives from State or Territory to State, District, or Territory
You don’t need to go to a statute. The obligation to extradite fugitives is explicitly in the constitution. It couldn’t be clearer.
And every federal court has the authority to issue a writ of mandamus to enforce it.
And yet Congress bothered themselves to write an entire law to codify it.
They must have been bored that day.
1. Congress routinely passes laws to implement constitutional requirements, set out the procedures for them, etc.
2. More importantly, the statute extends the same requirement and privilege to territories as well as states.
He can’t prevent extradition. He has a positive constitutional duty to hand a fugitive over, and if he refuses a federal court will order him to.
And he will appeal that up to the SC. I’m willing to bet he has already planned for this.
No, he will not appeal it to the SC. Not that it will come up, since Trump is sure to go to NY voluntarily, but in principle, DeSantis cannot possibly have imagined that the supreme court would give an appeal five minutes’ consideration. It would go directly into the circular file, by a 9-0 vote.
Remember today’s date: it is the beginning of the end of the 50-state Union.
I hope so but wouldn’t bet on it, courage is lacking every freaking where
Maybe.. I think it was when the 2020 election went south. So much of how you see our present catastrophe depends on that little inflection point.. Either you believe it or not.
Fine.
Oh Lord. I just googled. DeSantis porn star ( to find the quote). Guess what? I just discovered there is a porn star names Lara DeSantis, Just a warning for those looking things up. You may wind up where you don’t want to go.
Google is not your friend.
Good grief pence is on CNN
That f-king slime
Sir, that is an insult to slime
Gee Ron, thanks for nothing,..Trump has already said that he would turn himself in, so just what assistance do you fell it is that you are gonna withhold?
Word… I don’t think he stuck his neck out at all.
What exactly do you expect DeSantis to do? He didn’t make this situation and he has no power to do anything about it. I’m so tired of this Trump can do no wrong, DeSantis can do no right bllsht.
In crazy Trump world, Ron should jump in front of a grenade for Trump because Trump and he had a mutually beneficial relationship a few years back.
You can’t make this stuff up.
Yeah, jump on a grenade to protect Trump. How dense are you? This is about the destruction of constitutional law. Have you been asleep or maybe your deep hatred of Trump has made you stupid?
I think it’s your blind loyalty that has caused you to not think clearly
On the contrary, you are the one demanding to destroy constitutional law. The constitution could not be more explicit that interstate extradition requests MUST be complied with, no matter what. The state being requested has no choice whatsoever in the matter.
Trump can do no wrong? Give me a break. I don’t think anyone is saying that. DeSantis response is weak. Just like his previous one. If he wants my vote he need to take some risks and put up a real fight otherwise he is just a Bushie with a touch of Rove.
Here is what Ric Grenell is asking declared and undeclared candidates to do:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/03/31/watch-ric-grenell-calls-on-gop-candidates-to-drop-out-endorse-trump-after-indictment/
Someone else said the same thing here a while ago. I can’t remember who it is. It’ll come to me.
“Grenell called on Republican presidential candidates to drop out of the race and endorse former President Donald Trump”
Endorse Trump? As in state that “Trump is so much better a candidate than us so we quit?
“We should unify as a party” says Grenell, and that party MUST have Trump as it’s presidential candidate. Because… Trump.
And all that is in that name of “democracy”? Wow.
Desantis is a politician, so while I’m disappointed that he’s thumbing his nose at the constitution, it’s all theoretical, he knows he will never be called on to actually violate his oath, and at worst all he said is “You’ll have to get a court order”.
But to all of you cheering this declaration, let alone those of you complaining that it’s not strong enough, DON’T YOU EVER DARE PRATTLE ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION AGAIN. You have shown that you don’t give a damn about the constitution, whenever it doesn’t suit you.
Thanks crazy stodgy Milhouse for returning.
The Constitution is literally treated like toilet paper by the left. I see many of them openly calling for tearing it up and starting over.
That is not what anyone here is doing.
However, you have to admit that there are points open to interpretation. Else, someone could argue that the right to bear arms means you have a right to openly carry any kind of firearm (even military grade heavy types) into a courtroom.
This is actually not a criminal act by DeSantis if he resists this like you seem eager to argue. It becomes a legal argument. While it’s not the same as Dred Scott, it has the same implications that could travel up the courts for months before a resolution is made.
And now you are treating it like toilet paper too. So you no longer have any right to complain about the Democrats doing so. Next time you complain about a constitutional violation or rely on the constitution in any way, you will stand indicted of dishonesty because you have the exact same contempt for it that they do.
And no, there are no points open to interpretation. The constitution’s words are explicit and unambiguous. If Desantis receives an extradition request from Hochul, and he has verified that it is genuine, the constitution says that he has to hand Trump over immediately. There are no possible grounds for refusing. In saying he wouldn’t comply he was declaring that he would violate the constitution. Declaring that is of course not a criminal act; but it holds the constitution in contempt.
And no, it could not travel up the courts for months. The first court to see it would issue the mandamus and if he didn’t comply he would be arrested.
But to all of you cheering this declaration, let alone those of you complaining that it’s not strong enough, DON’T YOU EVER DARE PRATTLE ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION AGAIN.
What does his statement have to do with the Constitution? Just because someone said it was weak, they do not know prattle about the Constitution? Really? I expect better of you Milhouse.
His statement has everything to do with the constitution, because he was promising to violate the constitution. In his defense he knew that it would never come to that, and he would never be actually called to keep his promise, so he was just posturing. But he was posturing against the constitution. And you are demanding that he should have made an even stronger statement. Therefore you are permanently disqualified from EVER complaining that a Democrat is violating the constitution.
Calm down. This is how precedent get made; the existing interpretation is challenged and ultimately confirmed in whole or in part or rejected in whole or in part. Your view of extradition became the reality in 1987, prior to that my view held from 1861 to 1987.
No constitutional interpretation lasts forever. Things change due to new litigants and other circumstances. For example in 1987 States were still openly responsive to simple detain requests for immigration violations. No muss no fuss. Today though? If reasonable cooperation is expected then a few States gonna need to tweak their amicus briefs to endorse working cooperatively with immigration to achieve placement of arrestees into ICE custody.
What’s to prevent a Federal judge looking at the request from asking the State of NY why they should automatically be granted a writ to enforce an extradition request when the State of NY seems to be deliberately ignoring the ruling in Bruen using duplicitous means? Then telling NY to pound sand. Could happen. Maybe on appeal or even at SCOTUS.
Either lawfare is a wholly legitimate exercise or it isn’t. Throwing sand into the gears seems to have become a preferred play of the d/prog despite admonishment from our side that it would eventually lead to a dark path of tit for tat that could undermine our system. We have arrived at that place and must adopt the tactics of our opponents.
Nobody could have imagined this situation when these laws were codified.
It was absolutely beyond imagination that we as a society would have sunk so low that blatant abuse of our legal system to destroy a political opponent would be unquestionably accepted, even cheered, by one side.
We are on dangerous untrodden ground here.
It doesn’t matter what anyone imagined in 1789. That’s not how the constitution works. You’re like those people claiming that nobody in 1789 imagined AR-15s.
There has never been a time when anyone interpreted the constitution NOT to require immediate compliance with an interstate extradition request. In 1861 the federal courts decided that while this was so, they had no power to order states to do their duty. In 1987 the Supreme Court unanimously rejected this proposition. There is NO chance that the current court disagrees with that result, or would give a cert petition five minutes’ consideration. And of course all lower courts would have no power to differ from that result, so they would have to reject all appeals instantly.
Too bad for them this isn’t federal.
Extradition, you kinda have to make your case that you have a case to the other jurisdiction. It works between the states.
The best-known examples that I can think of is international: Julian Assange, tho also applied to Snowden before he went to Russia. The US thinks it has a case. The nations where the targets reside don’t so much. Mostly the objections are: “This looks a lot like political persecution; convince us it’s rule of law, if you would?”
Federal legal action has supremacy, while state to state not as much.
/moar popcorn
NO, YOU DON’T. Read the damn constitution. Extradition requests from one state to another are BINDING. The receiving state has NO discretion whatsoever. It MUST hand the person over, no questions asked.
You wanna help, show us all where it says that. Case law with that interpretation would be good.
Make your case. You can write it — lots of folks here can read just fine.