Trump Kicks Off 2024 Campaign In SC, NH By Saying DeSantis Would Be “Disloyal” To Run
Oddly, Trump does not consider it disloyal for Nikki Haley to run.
Former president Trump announced his candidacy for the Republican nomination for president in November, 2022, and on Saturday, he hit the campaign trail in two early primary states, South Carolina and New Hampshire.
In South Carolina, Trump stressed that this campaign will be about issues and about getting America back on track.
He also weighed in on the insanity of the progressive left’s push to ban gas stoves, on the results of progressive policing and crime policies, men competing in women’s sports, and a number of other issues important to the American people.
In an unfortunate CNN interview, apparently aboard a plane, Trump took some shots at Florida governor Ron DeSantis. Oddly, he called DeSantis “disloyal” if he decides to run but told Nikki Haley—who actually worked in his administration—that “she should do it.”
Trump on Desantis: “Ron would’ve not been governor if it wasn’t for me. Number 1, he wouldn’t have gotten the nomination, and number 2 – he wouldn’t have beaten his Democrat opponent. So then when I hear he might run, I consider that very disloyal.” pic.twitter.com/11r2k3b6z0
— Ron Filipkowski 🇺🇦 (@RonFilipkowski) January 29, 2023
On Saturday, during his first major campaign swing to New Hampshire and South Carolina, Trump took credit again for helping elevate DeSantis during his 2018 bid for governor, saying “Ron would have not been governor if it wasn’t for me.”
“So when I hear he might run, I consider that very disloyal,” Trump said.
While taking aim at DeSantis, Trump told reporters aboard his plane that Nikki Haley – who served as his ambassador to the United Nations – called him in recent days to inform him that she is considering launching a 2024 presidential bid.
“I talked to her for a little while, I said, ‘Look, you know, go by your heart if you want to run,’” Trump said. “She’s publicly said that ‘I would never run against my president, he was a great president.’”
Trump said he told Haley that she “should do it.”
Haley, who recently relocated her top aides to Charleston, is said to be weighing the timing of a campaign launch at this point, not wanting to be the first one to take on Trump by herself. In 2021, she said she would not challenge Trump if he ran again for the White House in 2024.
In addition to this strange double standard on “loyalty,” Trump also accused DeSantis of “rewriting history” regarding the covid pandemic.
Today on his campaign plane Trump took some of his sharpest swings at DeSantis, accusing him of “trying to rewrite history.”Trump said DeSantis “promoted the vaccine as much as anyone” and noted he closed beaches and businesses in parts of FL. More here:https://t.co/ARC20vX7rt
— Meridith McGraw (@meridithmcgraw) January 28, 2023
CNN continues:
“There are Republican governors that did not close their states,” Trump told reporters while aboard his plane. “Florida was closed for a long period of time.”
“They’re trying to rewrite history,” he added. CNN has reached out to DeSantis for comment.
In March 2020, the Florida governor issued an executive order closing bars and nightclubs, urging people to follow US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention guidelines to limit gatherings on beaches to no more than 10 people. By that September, DeSantis signed an order clearing restaurants and bars to fully open, which drew criticism from public health officials due to the Covid-19 spike that fall.
Trump defended his management of the pandemic, saying he left decisions to governors.
“I had governors that decided not to close a thing and that was up to them,” he said. The former president also took aim at DeSantis’ shifting posture on vaccines, saying the Florida governor had “changed his tune a lot.”
That claim comes after DeSantis called on state lawmakers this month to make permanent existing penalties for companies that require all employees get the Covid-19 vaccination.
DeSantis has not responded to these statements, but then, he has not (yet?) declared his candidacy. His Twitter feed is full of news about his policies to maintain law and order in Florida, to improve K-12 education in the Sunshine State, and the like.
Trump continuing to spout off about a fellow Republican who is not only wildly popular but also an effective executive is creating quite the stir on Twitter, as you can imagine.
Trump’s attacks on DeSantis are signs of immense weakness.
It creates the public perception already that DeSantis is the frontrunner.
This will help DeSantis in the primary and GE. Already makes him look incredibly strong that Trump would single him out with no provocation.
— Cryptid Politics 🇺🇸 (@CryptidPolitics) January 29, 2023
Trump demanding DeSantis not to run for president out of loyalty to him is a bad look. What’s he so afraid of? He should welcome the competition. Keeps him on his toes. May the best man win.
— Ian Miles Cheong (@stillgray) January 29, 2023
To add to that…let's say DeSantis and Trump primary each other…The battle that would ensue between those two would splinter the voting base terribly, and both would have hard feelings to overcome with voters in a general.
— John Rich🇺🇸 (@johnrich) January 20, 2023
Trump hits DeSantis: He's a Covid skeptic phony. . . I can assure you covid is not the right topic/issue for Trump to highlight. . . https://t.co/fgrvvF1PiD
— Ned Ryun (@nedryun) January 29, 2023
I am now officially Desantis 2024 Trump doesn't give a damn about the movement or the party and there is no excuse for endorsing and whipping votes for Ronna Romney McDaniel who is a failure.
(I will still vote for Trump if he gets the nomination of course.) pic.twitter.com/Kqqsxvogz0— Draby Z (@doocdo) January 28, 2023
advice to President Trump-stop attacking Desantis or you will re-elect Biden! Drop your ego, for the sake of the nation. There is a way to run without attacking your rivals. State what YOU have to offer for America.
— Michael Savage (@ASavageNation) January 29, 2023
LOVE everything Trump said here. All he has to do is say he was wrong about the vax and it might make me hold off on fully jumping on the Desantis train…pic.twitter.com/JcFunA1s3v
— David Medina 🦫🇺🇸 (@davidmedinaofa) January 29, 2023
Donald Trump taking credit for Ron DeSantis’ popularity + overwhelming support in Florida because he endorsed him once upon a time is like a 10th grade biology teacher taking credit for someone becoming a neurologist. 🤡
— Liberty Belle (@iLibertyBelle) January 29, 2023
The Trump hardcore people and the DeSantis hardcore people have each convinced themselves the other guy has no shot.
They’re both sorely mistaken. Gonna be a long, brutal primary. A million miles to go. Cannot wait.
— Jesse Kelly (@JesseKellyDC) January 29, 2023
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Trump’s tin ear for politics is simultaneously the reason he was elected in 2016, and the reason he’ll never be elected again.
And if he did lose the nomination I fear that his “loyal” base will sit out the general, with Trump’s full and misguided blessing, and give the presidency again to the Dems.
I might have agreed with you until the last two years under Biden. MAGAs or not, NO one wants to have that demented moron again. I think that Trump is going to go too far and will not have the class to walk it back. He did it with Ted Cruz and his family, wife and father, and only apologized a year later. He is already saying things about DeSantis that are totally stupid and childish. DeSantis has not said he is even considering a run as Haley and Pompeo have. Why go out of the way to start a fight with him?
I’ve flat-out had some Trump supporters tell me that if Trump isn’t the nominee they won’t vote at all. Even if a second term of Biden is the result. Not all, but enough to make me think that if Trump doesn’t get it a lot of his supporters will sit it out with the intention of punishing the GOP with another lost presidential race.
I wish Trump would rein in his ego and step aside, but that just isn’t his nature.
Trump lost the popular vote to a criminal named Hillary Clinton. Trump lost the popular vote to an senile imbecile named Joe Biden. Trumped twice caused the U.S. Senate to become and remain in the control of Democrats because of his stupid involvement and endorsements. He endorsed McCarthy for Speaker of the House. He endorsed Rona McDaniels for lead the national GOP.
Yes, it’s time for Trump to step aside.
That could work both ways. I’m so fed up with him. If he’s the nominee, I’d most likely vote for him again, but I would have to force myself to do it.
And many who no longer support Trump would stay home because they aren’t as enthused to vote as those of us that think it still matters.
Yeah, who wants a president who honestly expresses his opinions. What we really need is another politician.
Bingo. Trump being pain old honest and completely open Trump is what has always freaked them out. They prefer a figure who will pat them on the head and lie to them.
Trump isn’t being honest. He’s just doing what he always does, tearing into a rival (in this case a potential one). If DeSantis kisses his ring then Trump will flip like a switch and suddenly start treating him like his best buddy.
You’re mistaking brashness with honesty. They aren’t the same thing.
Trump … honest? That’s rich. Those two words shouldn’t even be in the same sentence. That fool is a liar to his core.
^^^ this ^^
This 1,000,000,^
If Trump is honest then why am I still waiting for the first meeting of his Second Amendment Coalition?
Trump is an inveterate liar.
If Trump were honest he would have kept his promise to “lock her up”, by appointing a special prosecutor to look for actionable evidence against her. Maybe the prosecutor wouldn’t have found anything, but at least we would know an honest effort had been made, and all the unactionable evidence would be published so nobody could ever again claim she was innocent. But he never intended to keep that promise. It was a lie from the beginning, chum to his followers and nothing more.
And don’t forget: “I will never waver. I will never disappoint. I have and I will continue to protect the Second Amendment.” Then he banned firearms accessories via executive order, not even legislation, and proposed “take the guns first, give the due process later.”
Trump was one for making promises that he hadn’t thought through, because he clearly didn’t stand by them when stuff hit the fan.
Nine thumbs down so far and not a single explanation. Is it okay to you that Trump lied about it? Did the promise retroactively cease to exist for you when it was deleted from his campaign website? Why?
We don’t need a President who will be 78 years old when he’s inaugurated.
I appreciate his honesty. He’s honestly showing us the true Trump. That doesn’t impose on me a duty to like the true Trump.
Therein lies the problem. His opinions are just that, opinions, and are more often than not, dishonest. Even his “facts” are lies, and I voted for him once. I like what he did with most of his policies and regulations, but I hated the way he divided the country and he continues to do so. Right now we need DeSantis or Cruz, someone who isn’t afraid to take on the establishment but can do it without alienating half the population.
Trump did more for this country, and everyone in it than any POTUS in history. Those of you who don’t like his style, are part of the problem. DeSantis is fulll-on RINO/Globalist and already has a war-chest of over $250 million from the big corporate donors he supported with 98% of his vote when he was in Congress. Plus endorsements form McConnell, Ryan, Cheney, Jebbie and the like.
Trump is a liar, and you are typical of his cultists, who simply don’t care about lies, don’t even understand why it’s wrong to lie. Trump and you belong to the Harry Reid school of thought: his “It worked, didn’t it?” makes perfect sense to you.
Prove it!
I voted for Trump twice because the other choices were so bad. But to say that he did more for this country than any other POTUS in history is ludicrous, and suggests that you studied history at a public school. You might have a case that he was the best president of the 21st Century, but that is about as far as you can take this evaluation. If you want four more years of the current insanity, keep sipping that Kool-Aid, and work for Trump’s nomination. Then you can welcome the second term of the man who always had the million-dollar smile and the ten-cent mind, Joe Biden, or you can welcome the first term of “do as I say, not as I do,” Pelosi clone, Gavin Newsome.
I was up with you until creepy old poltergeist II Joe Biden has a million dollar smile. You lost me there.
Not just the best president in the 21st century. Trump was, objectively, the best president since Coolidge. But he fell into that role. He never believed in any of the policies he carried out, and in difference circumstances he would just as readily have done the opposite. We were lucky that he had all the right enemies, and they drove him into doing the right thing so many times.
I will take Reagan over Trump any day. However, I agree with you on Trump’s adoption of a role. He has no consistent political philosophy that I can see or that I ever heard him try to articulate. Having an enemy to attack or counterpunch seems more important to him than the substance of the argument. This attitude often undermined what could have been his reasonable instincts and policies. He is often his own worst enemy. I wish he would go back to “reality” TV.
Reagan was a far better person than Trump, and a true conservative intellectual, but how much of his conservative agenda did he achieve? Besides winning the Cold War, that is. Objectively, Trump achieved a lot more of Reagan’s agenda than Reagan did, despite not believing in any of it.
You all diminish Trump’s accomplishments in the face of opposition Reagan NEVER faced. That no other president in history faced. Imagine if it had been the same opposition as Reagan faced.
As for not having a core, it is his credo of America First. Not hard to see who he attempts to speak for, and his nationalism was evident in his relations with other states.
Apparently, when you’re not trying to unseat him with false witness and put him in jail, he’s not as off-putting as we are told.
oldschool, you are either nuts, ignorant of recent history, or just making stuff up. The only reason Trump achieved more than Reagan is because Reagan had stronger opposition. But the fact is that he did achieve more, which is why I rate him as having been a better president.
See, I agree with that. Trump was the best president we’ve had, possibly even in my lifetime. But a lot of that was dumb luck.
Back before the 2016 election, I said a number of times that Trump was a loose cannon. He was as about likely to blow holes in patriots as he was to blow holes in socialists. And I didn’t trust he had any real principles favoring our individual liberties because of the whole Vera Coking scandal. But a Hillary presidency would have been like having a laser designator painted on the foreheads of patriots 24/7 for four years — namely, exactly what we get from Biden today. So there really was no other choice — a loose cannon would at least be right HALF the time.
I think that for four years we just got lucky that Trump was aimed in the right direction much more often than in the wrong one. I mean, the man actually understood federalism in the face of nationally coordinated riots — something you will never see from Democrats, or most Republicans — and I give him great props for that. But his unilateral gun control, his choice of AGs and other executives (like the FBI), his failure to deliver on his major campaign promises, and his getting conned by Fauci and the rest of the plandemic gang, those were serious clay feet. And the problem is that the more time goes on, the more his weird pronouncements about things like “suspending the constitution” make it clear that he’s not learning anything.
Twice voted for Trump, and should he win the nomination, I’ll vote for him a 3rd time. But in the primary I will vote for DeSantis if he decides to run (which I’m not yet convinced that he will, or even should). I would much prefer that Trump ride off into the sunset, or play the kingmaker role and bring his loyal base to DeSantis if the governor decides to run.
Completely agree with you Telemachus.
When I dictated your name, Siri wrote it as “Telemarketers.”
Siri wrote it as “Telemarketers.”
I thus infer Siri is ignorant of the Odyssey.
Alas, nobody reads the classics anymore.
Nobody reads books anymore. They “read” ‘”graphic novels”, AKA comic books.
Maybe, but DeSantis is a long way from proving his mettle. He hasn’t won an election outside of Florida.
It’s interesting that you mention that. What most people do not realize is that the last two elections DeSantis has won statewide he was never the top vote getter. In fact, AG Moody, who is hardly ever in the news and who is known by less than half of all Florida voters has always received more votes than Ron. Yeah, he is vulnerable.
I would say of all the potential candidates on either side, he is the most qualified of them all. Yale, Harvard, lawyer, Naval officer, Congress member, two-term governor of one of the most populous states, a conservative family man who loves his wife and children, who has taken on Disney and won, who told Biden to shove it with his busload of illegals to Marth’s Vinyard, so what more would you have him do?
Probably CIA operative, but we will
Never know…
Uhh ale and Harvard people have too often been the problem, not the solution.
Yale…
Oh ale is a problem
Trump has won exactly ONE election. And has lost one. (And no, I don’t believe it was a fair election; nevertheless Biden is in the Oval Office and Trump is not.)
DeSantis won an election in Florida, a state that was almost the textbook definition of “purple state,” by nearly TWENTY POINTS. He’s been consistently conservative in his actions. In every way he’s the sort that conservatives are always saying they want. He gets results over and over. WHAT THE HELL DO YOU WANT? What does he have to do to prove himself?
The ONLY election you can win outside of a state is the presidency. Your comment is nonsensical.
Didn’t think too hard about this one, did ya?
The only election ‘outside of a state’ is the POTUS election. By your faulty logic, no one who wasn’t already POTUS once has proven their mettle to run for POTUS the 1st time, including Trump (who had never won even a state election).
Even Senator and Rep elections are only voted on by the state’s voters.
Trump demands loyalty, yet turns against everyone. Like many, I voted for him twice, and never will again no matter what.
Fuzzy really dislikes President Trump
Lol
Trump 2024
And if this were 1957 and Trump bounded onto the stage on Ed Sullivan, guitar in hand, wearing a sequined jacket, you’d be screaming and fainting.
Hmm, not my type
Now Elvis, now he visually WAS my type
I waited to see the movie “Elvis”, thought for sure I would be disappointed
I. was. Not….
Great show, great Elvis!
Well, they both exhibit talent.
Can we not agree that Trump exceeded our expectations?
Yes, he did. And, I voted for him twice. Likely would again.
But, he still – too often – has no sense of proportion.
Not mine.
He definitely oversells himself and underdelivers.
So you’re going to shill now for a known woke idiot like Baz Luhrman who injected racial propaganda into the biopic of Elvis?
What a joke
Gonzotx thinks Trump ain’t nothing’ but a hound dog, cryin’ all the time…
Is the Heartbreak Hotel part of the Trump Organization?
Maybe if YOU had the Presidency STOLEN from YOU and saw all
Your work and very Country going down the drain, ever probably to return
Oh but I jest, you are a person who makes fun of a courageous individual who gave up BILLIONS, amd I might say a pretty cushy life, to save this Country?
You made of that mettle little sally?
Billions? From tax records, it shows that Trump is not even a billionaire let alone “Losing” billions of dollars. Hyperbole is thy name.
Are you going to tattle on yourself for the ad hominem like you do others?
DeSantis supporters are following a cult of personality as well. Take a good look at this thread.
Don’t throw stones if you live in a glass house.
Nah. DeSantis has consistently delivered actual stuff, swing after swing. Crushed Disney’s political autonomy. Anti-grooming law. Anti CRT law. Cashiered a rebellious Soros DA for not enforcing state laws he didn’t like. And his Martha’s Vineyard troll will probably show up in history textbooks.
Gonzotx thinks it’s 2014 and can’t wait to defeat Hillary Clinton!
She may actually run again…
Perish the thought.
Nope, too old and in really bad physical shape.
I like Trump the way I like a brain surgeon, do the right thing but keep your mouth shut. He might get re-elected if he can do that but from the way he is going, he is like the comedian Tater Salad, who was arrested and told that he had the right to remain silent but couldn’t.
Impossible for him to be ever elected again. Too many Republicans who voted for him twice won’t vote for him again. Dems will come out in droves to vote against him and Independents won’t touch him. No more candidates in their late 70s.
“I like Trump the way I like a brain surgeon, do the right thing but keep your mouth shut.”
Trump can’t be trusted to do the right thing. The only thing he can be trusted to do is feed his own ego and shoot his mouth off.
Somehow, DeSantis being supported by uber-billionaire pro-China globalist Ken Griffin is a good thing according to Fuzzy. Am I the only one here who wonders why a RNC lawyer is prominently featured on the every page of this blog including the home page? At best, this is very bad optics for a “conservative” blog. How about Mr. Coleman introduce himself and give us the story? This is very, very odd.
Yes, you are the only one. Ron Coleman is as conservative as they come, and he’s on the sidebar because he is LI’s lawyer. If you think he’s not conservative enough for you then you belong in some swamp like Gateway Pundit, where you and the other inmates can tell each other lies. That is not conservatism.
Money is money and as the Dems have shown us, it does not matter where it comes from. Only a fool in today’s politics would turn down money from someone they disagreed with. Like nuns of history have said, “No matter how the money was earned, God gave it to us to use”.
Guess that promise to leave was just too good to be true.
Did they throw you out of a shitblog echo chamber where you sought refuge for your nutter theories.
“Am I the only one here who wonders why a RNC lawyer is prominently featured on the every page of this blog including the home page?” Yes, you are the only one. And your guy backed Ronna Romney McDaniel to keep the RNC swampy, so it’s really strange you are complaining about an “RNC lawyer”. Ron’s law partner Harmeet was the insurgent candidate trying to turn it around and unswamp the RNC. Ron has donated tens of thousands (maybe hundreds) of his time for over a decade to help small conservative blogs fight back against leftist bullying. Ron is a hero of the conservative movement, I’m proud to have him on “every page” (btw, it’s called the sidebar).
Which leads me to ask why Gateway Pundit is still on your sidebar.
Michael Savage: “….Drop your ego, for the sake of the nation. …..”
It is not possible and why I have moved on. Trump’s ego and the “sake of the nation” do not always coincide and that in not acceptable. Exhibit A: Not winning one of the two GA Senate runoff seats in early 2021 has subjected us to all of this Biden legislative garbage and its consequences, like inflation.
I predict that DeSantis will largely ignore Trump for as long as possible. That makes sense for a very popular and successful governor. Also, with young children, I suspect he will want to be as sure as possible about his wife’s recovery from cancer.
DeSantis will Enter when his money handlers tell him to
If that doesn’t bother you, that’s he’s bought and paid for, America will not survive
I think he takes it personally with DeSantis, he should with ALL the others that will enter, they did nothing as the Country’s Presidency was stolen, silent on J6 political prisoners far as I’m concerned, they’re all a$$goles
Everyone one of them but Trump
Will sell us out
Every.One.Of.Them….
Two things Gonzo. One Trump won FL so he has no complaints about what DeSantis did or didn’t do. And two, If you believe that DeSantis is someone’s robot you haven’t been paying attention. Fighting with Disney, the NEA, all FL colleges and universities against CRT and wokism, doing everything possible to stop all illegals from coming into FL, giving bonuses to all first responders and policemen/women, recovering from a major hurricane in a time that was not thought possible by anyone, stopping sex ed in the first through the third grades, but hey, I guess you know of who the shot callers are right?
Oh dear sir, I HAVE been paying attention, that’s the issue….
If you’ve been paying attention… then what do you want? What does DeSantis have to do? I mean, besides step aside and let Trump just have the nomination.
You made no attempt to refute what inspectorudy wrote. Is he wrong about all that? Isn’t that list things that you want? DeSantis has shown both strong conservative values and a willingness to actually fight, and yet you attack him.
You’ve been paying attention to your delusions, not to facts.
Yes, DeSantis has been a great minor league player. But could you provide us with a list of what the “most effective and consequential US president in my lifetime” (Mark Levin) has accomplished? Waiting….. Waiting….
I am still hoping DeSantis is the real deal but I have more faith in Trump than in the latest shiny object propped up by dirty globalist money running for president as soon as he shows up. How did President Chris Christie work out? I remember “conservatives” fawning over him like Abe Lincoln too. Christie was a crook but Ted Cruz? Marco Rubio? Chased the dirty money. So who does DeSantis more resemble? King of small donations Trump or globalist billionaire Ken Griffin’s favorite anti-Trump candidate?
The LI echo chamber of aged “kick-me-again” “conservatives” in its full glory.
Maybe you didn’t notice but Elon Musk blew up one of the biggest Deep State weapons and great personal cost. Let’s run him for president! Oh yeah, forgot. Not a “conservative” (whatever that is).
He’s also not eligible to be president, so there’s that.
I love how someone can be a conservative and people like you will still turn on him if he threatens Trump’s power. Not sure what you think a Florida governor should do about J6 prisoners or a stolen election. Trump won Florida, in case you’ve forgotten. Do you think DeSantis should have fought against that?
I’m tired of Trump’s fragile ego. I’m a Floridian, and over the last four years DeSantis has been a bulwark against the left. And I’m equally tired of his hard-core followers who have no plan for the future besides “elect Trump.” You’re more than happy to tear the Republicans apart just so your guy can get the nomination again… and I doubt the result will be any different than 2020.
@jb4 Completely agree. One of the characteristics of a good leader is they don’t react quickly or sometimes at all to criticism. Trump reacts every time. Often, the best response is no response, keeping your cool, and keeping the big picture in mind.
If you fly off the handle to everyone calling you names, you will lose support of voters, who will see you as weak and petty.
We had ZERO wars with President Trump, ZERO, ISIS was eliminated, he got the Abrams accord, he got 3 judges on the Supreme Court that although they often vote like liberals, overturned the national “right” to murder babies, he had the most rocking economy in American history, etc
All this in 2.5 yrs despite the treasousness acts, which continue today like no other President in American history…
So then they unleashed a monstrous man made virus upon the earth to not only kill
People but to stop Trump by enacting the ability to steal
Elections right in front of our eyes
So yes, his ego at times makes me wince, but it’s a small
Price to pay for greatness wouldn’t you say?
I
Trump was horrific on the economy. He built the foundation for our current inflation (dishonestly called Biden-flation) and economic woes. Spending was insane in 2020. Trumpbux, unemployment welfare, money to state governors to hide their state-level destructive policies, etc.
Zero wars? The Russian invasion of Ukraine started in 2014 and was ongoing. Unlike Obama/Biden Trump did something by selling them Javelins, but it was nowhere near enough to prevent 2022 and assist Ukraine in ending the war.
Wow! Now THAT is stretching a lie!
Ukraine was on Obama’s watch, you have got to be kidding
He also used tariffs effectively, especially with China,
He was bringing manufacturers BACK to America
Wages we up across the board,
People were making real money and taxes were down
Trump’s tariffs caused economic damage and the ability of certain people to declare he was great on the economy while pretending that 2020 didn’t exist or ignoring his utterly destructive policies, economically and otherwise, is incredible.
The Russian invasion of Ukraine started under Obama/Biden, but the occupation of Crimea and the Russian War in the Donbas, complete with Russian Army troops and directed by the Kremlin, continued through Trump’s presidency.
Zero wars with President Trump was wonderful. That’s why it’s so outrageous that the same guy would start slap-fights with a fellow politician who has repeatedly denied any intention of running against him.
Yeah? You don’t ever seem to criticize Trump at all. You’re more than happy to turn on DeSantis as soon as Trump does.
Citizen Free Press is already reporting virtually every move Trump makes. Trump posts on Truth Sofial. A Touching Momrnt with Trump. Ad NAUSEOUS!!!
Whet other moves will they report?
Don’t worry, Fuzzy will make sure to post orange man bad posts as nauseam
And remove any comments that hit too close to home. It worked for a while on Twitter, so why not?
I disagree with people on this site but I have the courtesy to point out why. It seems to me that if you are going to keep up this childish taunt that you should provide the evil things she says.
What the #$!? do they think they’re doing? They should follow the script laid out by the NY Times like everyone else. Don’t they know there’s an approved narrative?
I am one of two or three Americans who has neither a Messianic nor Demonic view of Trump.
Supported Cruz in 2016, a constitutional conservative like myself, and was disgusted when Trump went after Cruz’s wife.
But Trump was infinitely preferable to Clinton, so I voted for him.
And Trump was infinitely preferable to Biden, so I voted for him again.
And now Trump is fratricidally attacking DeSantis.
Disgusting…again.
Yup!
I live in Florida and most Republicans here feel that 2024 will be stolen again and thus DeSantis stay as governor for 8 years and make the state a beacon of freedom for the rest of the country. The feeling (correctly) is that DeSantis continues doing great as governor as thus his successor (Ashley Moody) will not be as good. Bottom line, As of today, Trump wins the nomination and DeSantis remains in Tallahassee.
@natdj,
Because election polling 2 years early is so accurate! This is not 2016.
What are you talking about? This contest is not about polling. I take it by your answer you don’t live in Florida and don’t understand.
DeSantis running would be “disloyal “.
To whom, Mr. Trump? To whom?
To Floridians who want him to stay Governor for as long as possible.
That’s pretty selfish, but I don’t blame them. Texas feels the same way about Abbott – although as far as I know, he has no presidential ambitions that he’s about to admit out loud.
No we don’t,
Abbott is a Rino through and through.
He all hat and no cattle
Gotcha.
Good point, and so taken. But, what did Trump mean?
Yeah, I doubt that’s what Trump meant, tho.
To President Trump, who helped him be successful when he was losing badly in his first primary, DeSantis BEGGED for his help and low and Behold, he was able to overtake his Republican opponent, In ALL
His ads he professed his loyalties to President Trump
And indeed he was, for a year, then, he went underground for about 5 days, after meeting with and obtaining hundreds of millions of dollars in his coffers, and amazingly at the same time the FBI was raiding Mara Lago, and DeSantis came out of his Biden dungeon with a new amd improved national
Team and a very short message , 5 days after the fact of the FBI raid, doesn’t mention Trump
By name and it’s not on an official Twitter account, a few sentences….
He hasn’t looked back since
And I do think that’s why President Trump
Has a special “feeling “ of disloyalty from Desantis
He’s earned it….
https://www.businessinsider.com/ron-desantis-wins-republican-primary-florida-trump-2018-8
That sounds totally factual, Gonzo!😉🤥
It is
BS!
“low and Behold, he was able to overtake his Republican opponent”
If Trump ever had that sort of magic, it appears to have evaporated by the time Kari Lake, Memhet Oz, Blake Masters, Don Bolduc, Lee Zeldin, Sarah Palin, and about 20 others sorely needed it.
Really, his win/loss record in other than slam-dunk races was a coin-flip.
You think Kari, Blake Masters and Oz didn’t win?
You actually think those were honest elections?
WOW
I got Katie Hobbs writing shit in my back yard this week. Kari Lake, on the other hand, can’t do nothing for me.
Honest or crooked elections, Hobbs is my governor.
Birth certificate or no, Obama was our president.
Laptop evidence or Russian disinformation, Biden’s in the WH now.
That’s indisputably how shit works today. Deal with it, or become irrelevant.
This is exactly what we don’t need.
Personally, I don’t know who I’ll vote for in the primary, but it’ll be somebody who wants to run, not somebody who’s being pushed into it. We had enough of those already.
What, exactly, does “somebody who wants to run, not somebody who’s being pushed into it” mean?
I think I know what he means.’
Maybe once or twice a week, I get beg emails from the same “DeSantis Victory” group. They have no actual association with DeSantis, they want to “draft” him to run for president, and for this effort, they want me to send them money. There’s no way in hell I’m going to send money to a bunch of random clowns I don’t know, not to mention that I’m not inclined to contribute to a group who wants to PRESSURE DeSantis into running. If DeSantis announces that he has decided to run or not to run, I’m comfortable either way. Last thing I need is a candidate whose heart isn’t really in it.
That’s what gives me hope about that $250 million Ken Griffin contributed to a DeSantis campaign fund which DeSantis distanced himself from. Could be kabuki theater by DeSantis but I want to believe that the dirty money is tantalizing him with a path to wealth and power… if he cooperates. The seduction of Ron DeSantis.
There is a game going on and Trump is very good at playing it. The cranky old Republicans who hate Trump are as blind as they have ever been in their old age. Completely oblivious to the conversation happening outside of this echo chamber.
This is untrue, Phil. Griffin is a large GOP donor (a mega-donor as they say), but he spreads it around. He donated $5 million to DeSantis reelection in 2020, plus $5 million to the PAC trying to urge DeSantis to run in 2024. That is a far cry from $250 million . . . and the same amount he donated to other candidates and groups (including the Senate Leadership fund) and less than he donated to the Congressional Leadership Fund ($11 million).
I can’t find (in a quick search, granted) any source that reports he donated $250 million even to a combination of GOP candidates, PACs, funds, and groups even over several election cycles.
Not sure where you are getting your numbers but here are sources to the actual figures: https://nypost.com/2022/04/15/citadels-ken-griffin-is-gops-top-donor-with-40m-put-toward-midterms/
https://floridapolitics.com/archives/454940-ron-desantis-biggest-backer-ken-griffin-spends-big-on-politics/
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/03/ken-griffin-donor-midterm-cash-00005052
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/republican-mega-donor-ken-griffin-says-time-move-from-trump-backs-desantis-2024
@Fuzzy, The $250 million figure is the amount that quickly appeared in that SuperPac Griffin contributed to and seemed to be the spokesman for it. These are not “small donations” where you can divide the amount by $50 to estimate the votes behind the money. These are ruling class donations by globalists who hate us little people and our “stupid, pesky” Republic.
Billionaires like Griffin do not contribute millions to people because they like what they say. It’s about capturing glib, mealy=mouthed and corrupt politicians to do their bidding while pretending to be fighting for the “little guy”.
Billionaires spread money around because it helps build out the network. Look at how Soros did it. He essentially controls our judicial system now. And they don’t do it alone. They meet with their friends (say, at the California Club in LA,.. e.g.) to create PACs and pool their money. Griffin is a pro-China globalist, the very antithesis of MAGA. And DeSantis is just his best opportunity for him to fight off a China foe. Why doesn’t anyone ever ask them to tell us why they are giving that money? YAH!
This is exactly the kind of money that controls the RNC and why Rona McDaniels found herself vulnerable to her friend Harmeet Dhillon who would not likely have made much of a difference had she won. In my opinion, she ran as insurance for McDaniels. I would like to invite her law partner Ron Coleman to weigh in on this,
BTW, I am not an enemy of LI. I am very impressed with the Professor’s work and his several major victories. I want him and the LI team keep up the good work. But as to LI’s view of national politics, geez… The comment section could have been pulled out of the year 2000. Too many people here haven’t learned a thing over the years.
The US has grown flush with people who get it now and in 2016, Trump figured out how to get around the stifling and self-defeating Dem vs Rep, lib vs con garbage and talk to us in a language we ALL understand about what we want. He made promises and then, unlike any “conservative” before or since, delivered once elected in the face of endless attacks that continue today… even here. So he drops a comment within a fairly lengthy conversation on a plane trip and THAT little snippet (out of context) becomes a major flub? Here at LI of all places?
I want to win. We NEED to win. We have a proven winner in Trump and a golden chance to set up his successor DeSantis if he proves to deserve it. I want to see both of them campaigning TOGETHER for the next two years. We are running out of time which is probably what is irking Trump. Is DeSantis just playing cute? Or maybe Trump is doing this trying to keep the focus to DeSantis to build his national image as an ally next year?
We are all guessing but why are “conservatives” so myopic and so easily derailed? As soon as we too strong candidates we set them against each other? We have met the enemy and it is US!
Most of the commenters here are just too old and set in their ways. There is a much broader and yes, inclusive, discussion going on out there but this site has insulated itself from it. There IS a clear path to victory here. but LI seems hermetically sealed from that idea.
Trump and DeSantis running riot across the country campaigning together for MAGA would be an unstoppable, overwhelming force followed by at least twelve years in control of the White House. I don’t know how to make it simpler. Stop helping the Uniparty!
Candidates can not be associated with Super PACs, it is illegal. DeSantis of course distances himself from any PAC. Anyone can start a PAC promoting anyone they want, but such Super PACs are never connected to the candidate in question.
tl;dr
Phil lost to facts again.
How do you know?
Yes, that is exactly what they do.
It’s a cheap shot at DeSantis?
There is a very high chance Trump will not win, because the left and everyone else that hates him will lay “operation warp-speed” at his feet and all the excess deaths above the mean average because of the jab. As we get closer to Nov 2024 the media, the shills for the left, the Dems and the administrative state will ratchet up the excess deaths coverage 24/7 and blame him for it. He still to this day believes he did the right the right thing and it will cost him. He lost my support with him endorsing the jab, and then defending his decision.
Deaths above the average aren’t from the jab. Why do you all insist on spouting easily disprovable nonsense?
The vaccine wasn’t that effective. It also wasn’t deadly, and it did serve a purpose. And the very reason it was out so quickly was because of Trump.
Deaths were well above the average prior to the vaccine ever being distributed. They came down during the vaccine distribution years, mostly due to endemic immunity (aka herd immunity) in the population.
A highly contagious, novel virus (and some creative hospital bookkeeping to get COVID money from Trump’s giveaway govt) will raise mortality on a population because it hasn’t spread enough for the immune to present stop-gaps and dead-ends in the transmissibility. This is normal, even when the virus is not that deadly.
Those of you that like to cherry pick a bad study here or there, this is what you should be reading if you don’t want a vaccine now.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41577-020-00493-9
I disagree with how effective the vaccine was, but it did serve a mild purpose. Endemic covid can now maintain population immunity at sustainable levels without the need for more vaccines, unless you are particularly vulnerable (kinda like pneumovax for those over 65 or 50 if otherwise compromised).
“It also wasn’t deadly, and it did serve a purpose.”
After my vaccination I had a massive spike in blood pressure, leading to a (thankfully mild) stroke. I’m now on some extremely nasty BP medication that I’ll likely have to take for the rest of my life. Previous to my shot I had hypertension but kept it in check with diet, exercise, and medication. I’m sure that’s just a coincidence. Is that what you’re going to tell me? I got the J&J shot, you know… the one they pulled because it was causing reactions.
My brother got the Moderna shot. Ended up sick after the first one, and the second one put him in the hospital. But I’m sure that is just a coincidence too. Right?
Sucks for you. Statistically speaking, it still wasn’t a deadly vaccine by any means.
Correlation doesn’t imply causation, and we don’t even have correlation in this case because the r value is way too small.
It’s gonna be fun watching Trump and DeSantis go mano-a-mano.
So far, DeSantis has done the classy thing. He hasn’t announced, and if I remember correctly, he said he wouldn’t announce if Trump did. So far, Trump’s class has all been New York-style, and a lot of it hasn’t been attractive.
Trump’s been Trump. It’s always worked for him. Don’t fix what ain’t broken.
Until it didn’t work for him. Or is he currently president and I somehow missed it? He should have won beyond any margin of cheating in 2020. Trump was running against a senile, uncharismatic old racist career politician with enough scandals in his history for any twelve other candidates. Hell, Biden barely campaigned.
But in the end Trump’s brash ego and attitude are both plusses and minuses. He attracts some voters and repels others. There’s no sign he’s learned from 2020, and if he runs again the results will be the same.
They’re ready for him.
It’s was stolen and you know it
We haven’t had a non stolen major election since 2018 where the mules are allowed to ballot harvest, mail in votes, and dominion is in use
It’s definitely broken.
None of us know what is going on behind the scenes. To me, Trump is smoking out DeSantis who probably is playing things too cute. If DeSantis thinks he can play the pretty princess being coy for long, it will backfire bigly. It’s 2023 Ron. Is you is or is you isn’t. For all we know, this is DeSantis doing his part on the cheap in support of Trump. Having DeSantis in suspended animation is certainly keeping a lot of automatic losers from running. In other words, DeSantis could be helping Trump “sweep the deck” of annoying losers. Bolton, Hayley, and their ilk are NPCs but would feed the anti-Trump media with endless fodder. With DeSantis being coy, everything stands still. Sure Nicki run and bring your 1% into the game and waste money. Trump could just be reminding people that DeSantis is out there and the media doesn’t like DeSantis either…. unless he attacked Trump which he can’t. That would be political suicide and probably wouldn’t put much of a dent in the Trump MAGA machine which DeSantis would no longer have a claim to be leading.
DeSantis has only one choice in the end. Ride Trump to a historic win and if he is the real deal, be POTUS for 8 years or more. But that is unacceptable to diehard Stupid Party voters who hate Trump.
Ridiculous advice. DeSantis is playing it smart; the one thing Trump hasn’t learned is “how can we miss you if you won’t go away.” Trump got beat by a moron who has a 40+ year record of failure, we can’t take the chance it happens again, and it would.
Actually, he had a 40+ record of success. He got consistently re-elected — the fact that he was an incompetent idiot was apparently immaterial to everybody.
Henry: Not to mention he got to be a mega-multimillionaire without ever holding a real job.
I gave that 2 lines before I realized it was another bullshit phil theory.
Those “diehard stupid party voters” are the ones who voted for him, at least twice (most more than that), which is why he managed 75 million votes in 2020. But keep chipping away. You’ll have him losing (again) to any Dem who wins the primary when those “diehard stupid voters” get tired of Trump cultists insulting them and stay home.
At this point I honestly think that Trump doesn’t WANT to win, but to not run means admitting defeat, and he’s just intentionally tanking his campaign because that lets him bow out without actually ADMITTING that he lost.
I literally cannot think of a better reason he would support Romney’s niece and then basically kick off his campaign with LINDSEY FREAKING GRAHAM than he’s intentionally trying to lower his support so he doesn’t win.
Any illusions I ever had that Trump was capable of such 3D chess were exploded long ago.
He’s trying to elect a Dem in 2024.
This was also his greatest weakness as POTUS. Look at all of the disasters he appointed to almost every office in his admin plus the SCOTUS appointments. He has some unbelievable talents but some glaring weaknesses. Sessions, Wray, Milley, Esper, Tillerson, Barr, Manafort, Cohen, Stormy Daniels and many more that I cannot remember. Except for Biden, I can’t think of another POTUS with this many bad calls.
“ I literally cannot think of a better reason he would support Romney’s niece and then basically kick off his campaign with LINDSEY FREAKING GRAHAM than he’s intentionally trying to lower his support so he doesn’t win.”
Maybe he just isn’t as bright as his supporters say he is?
I don’t think it’s a matter of intelligence. It’s ego.
Trump is running to avoid prosecution.
Once you Trumpets allow yourselves to realize this simple explanation, all of his questionable decisions like supporting McCarthy and McDaniels will make a whole lot more sense.
I don’t see how. If I were Letitia James, or that DA in Fulton County, and I thought I could convict him, I wouldn’t hold back just because he’s a candidate for office. On the contrary, that would just make him a bigger scalp to take.
On the other hand I give the same answer to those who claim the only reason they’re looking to prosecute him is to stop him running. I don’t see how that works either. Being prosecuted would probably help him, and being convicted even more so. He could run from prison, and if he were to win the state would probably have to suspend his sentence until his term was over.
Neither of those matter, wrong investigations. This is about the DOJ stuff for J6 and Docs. Trump knows that he stays out of court as long as he’s managed opposition for the left.
We seem to be headed towards a Trump nominee if things don’t change. If we do, watch how much Dems ramp up as soon as it’s a two horse race.
When he started his campaign in 2015 many people said he seemed like he intended to lose. I think they were right, at that point he did intend to lose, and throw the election to his BFF Clinton. It was only in 2016, when he realized that he could actually win, that he changed his mind and decided to try for it seriously. And that’s when his friendship with the Clintons ended. He betrayed them and stole their guaranteed win. He wasn’t supposed to do that.
Agree with you a bit there. Clintons have their own brand of loyalty and Trump clearly has his own version of both loyalty and truth.
1. 2018 was a blue wave year, any claim that a purple state Republican owes general election in 2018 to Trump is by definition a lie
2. Ron DeSantis got an endorsement in a nomination. That does not obligate him to Trump
3. Donald J Trump has a chance of winning the general election of exactly 0%, he is extremely personally unpopular and makes each issue he champions less popular.
Go ahead downvote, doesn’t change that a very convincing majority of Americans don’t like Trump, he lost the popular vote by millions in 2016 while barely winning the electoral college because Hillary didn’t consider WI, MI or PA to be in play, lost 2018, 2020, and 2022.
We have his record on winning elections and it is bad.
Trump did some good things as president, that doesn’t mean we need to get delusional and give Joe Biden another term.
Trump should be promising loyalty not demanding it. He was never DeSantis’ boss. Nobody would owe Trump their vote or a 2nd term, even if they facts were more favorable to Trump than they are.
I’ve had enough of Trump. He seems to be trying to prevent a strong candidate from emerging from the Republicans, to give Biden another term. He’s even talked of running 3rd party, so he can kneecap the R nominee if it looks like that person might win the general.
If Trump wants any chance of winning in 2024, he must go full throttle towards cleaning voter rolls. In 2022, 100 million ballots were printed and not mailed, because the election officials knew they were dirty (the voter either died or moved). Many of those dirty ballots were voted. For example, 150,00 dirty ballots were voted in WI in 2020, Biden won by 17,000. Rather than working against DeSantis, Trump should be looking at what FL did to clean their elections.
Not sure why someone is downvoting you. You’re correct. Unless Trump starts fighting against voter fraud, really fighting it, he’s going to see the same results as 2020. Instead he’s trying to clear the board of rivals, attacking the most popular (and conservative) governor in the country.
He’s still running like it’s 2016. He took them by surprise that year, but in 2020 they were ready for him. And they’re ready for him again. He underestimates the Democrats, always.
I’ll cop to it. It’s because a candidate is never the right person to drive this sort of a clean elections movement. The movement will be invariably poisoned by the connection, and obvious claims of conflict of interest.
The rolls do need to be cleaned, but the claim that “In 2022, 100 million ballots were printed and not mailed, because the election officials knew they were dirty” is just not plausible.
Anyone that’s not a blind Dem loyalist can agree there is slop in the system that needs to be addressed, no matter whether you support this crazy a-hole or not.
“Oddly, Trump does not consider it disloyal for Nikki Haley to run.”
Nikki will be his VP and candidate for Pres in 2028
“Disloyal ” to whom? DeSantis 2024
If the “fraud/cheating” by the democrats is not fixed a Republican want win
If President Trump isn’t the Republican nominee, there’s no point in voting, because the rest are lying politicians.
Trump won, Trump lost. Too much baggage to win again. Next!
Really? Trump
Won we all
Know
It
Follow
The money is a simply plan,
Always has been
There’s no
Going back if Trump is not our President
We have 40millon illegals in this country, 8 million at least in the last TWO years
He’s the only
One that will stop this insanity. We desperately need an operation Wetback again, just to survive and
You say “Next”?
Dear God…
Your poetry is terrible.
Trump keeps putting his foot in his mouth . Clearly, conservatives do not want to replay 2020 or place their bets on a former president whose policies were great but who was responsible for the Democrats taking control of Congress and whose own candidates were rejected in the midterms. DeSantis, Youngkin and Abbott are political and cultural conservatives who know to win elections, , govern and deal with the woke world. De Santis especially has shown the way and would make a strong candidate while a Trump candidacy would elect a Democrat. Since the bottom line in politics is winning-Trump would make a poor candidate.
And quite frankly this is Trump’s number one problem. He is more concerned with loyalty, thus he hires ass kissers instead of competent individuals.
As so many of you have forgotten despite the 30,000 knifes in President Trumps body
https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/
Yet the reason many voted for DJT, the border wall, his central campaign promise was unfulfilled. The list is fine but for many secondary to failure to build the wall. Yes Ryan and McConnell sent a budget without the funding. Trump refused to veto it. Instead he accepted the constraints set by the DC establishment. He did not fight on the issue. PR and speeches and online posts talking about construction of the wall didn’t get it built. We continue to suffer due to this failure.
Then there’s Covid. Did Trump rein in the federal bureaucracy? Did he order DoJ attorneys to file suits against States and businesses that continued to impose worthless mask/ social distance mandates and occupancy restrictions? Did he defend the basic civil n rights of assembly, association, free speech? The rights of small businesses to operate unimpeded? The rights of Citizens to move freely within the USA? Not so much.
Trump did accomplish a lot of good things. His failure on completion of a border wall and his failure on Covid are glaring. Until he and his supporters/surrogates act with some humility and admit these errors they will hang over his candidacy for the GoP presidential nomination.
He won’t be anointed. He will need to earn it, just as he proved he could do in 2016. I don’t understand why people are so fearful of competition.
or lock up Hillary and root out corruption
“Ryan and McConnell sent a budget without the funding. Trump refused to veto it.”
He got his bluff called on Mexico paying for it, and he folded.
About 3/4ths of those knives were held by people he hired, because Trump is a terrible judge of character. Not exactly an impressive record.
trump has never been a dc insider hence he trusted his advisors on various appointments–that was his overwhelming weakness–have done that myself in a couple of instances in this life
rather than harp on trump’s “weaknesses” much more revealing to examine his accomplishments towards the good of america/americans vs what fjb has done in HIS efforts for the good of america/americans–pretty stark contrast
lived in nyc for a while and though trump’s demeanor, etc. can seem abrasive is definitely not atypical for many new yorkers–did not vote for him based on his social skills but rather whether he had the drive / determination to work for our country–believe he did and that he still does
You just reinforced his weakness by saying he TRUSTED his advisors. That’s because he jumped into a field that he had no experience in. If you were about to buy a business that you knew nothing about, it would be up to you to find the best advisors available. It would be your responsibility and your success or failure would still be on you, not the advisors. Trump didn’t know anything about politics and instead used his bullying methods with elected members of Congress. He couldn’t threaten them with firing or demoting them so he called them names. How did that work out for him? He has always been a one-man show and cannot work with others. In any job he has undertaken, he has done well but it has always been his show. To get Congress to do his bidding, he failed miserably. You cannot threaten an elected person because you can do nothing to them.
inspector
don’t see it as a “weakness” per se–believe you misunderstand me–trump is a “producer” not a greedy/lazy “bystander / spectator”–failure / success is ultimately your responsibility as president/ceo true but when nearly all of those around you are dug-in to oppose/defeat/work against you, you’re faced with a difficult crowd to assess regardless of the venue–add to that the complicit media, “the resistance,” the entrenched government bureaucrats(“swamp”) and you’re looking at a pretty tall order for ANYONE to overcome and accomplish ANYTHING positive for our country/our people–and he was still able to get many good things changed/done–believe that speaks to his character / determination
He hires and fires people like a revolving door. He preaches about loyalty but shows none of his own.
When you have those qualities, no one of quality will want to work for you or with you. You quickly become poisonous.
That’s Trump in a nutshell and it was most exposed when he couldn’t buy his way to act like he did on the apprentice.
Trump would get hammered in a general election…again. If he’s the nominee I’ll save my time and skip going to the polls.
Look at the state of the country and the powers that be. They hate Trump because he’s the only one that actually and successfully took them on. No one else would have remained standing in the onslaught. Trump is the one the Establishment fears, as it works its way to a totalitarian state.
Left two comments. Both are gone. Is there something wrong here?
Wish DJT would tone down the Red on Red battle. Sadly doubt whomever runs in 2024 8t will be a losing battle due to mail vote fraud. The late vote stop states will all go to the Democrat if it’s Sundowner, The Ho or Fetterman it won’t matter they will win.
Wish it wasn’t so but not seeing around it.
I voted for him twice and look at what he did as President to rank him as a very good one in the face of all of the false attacks of the deep state and the left but….I don’t think he can win over the Independents and should step aside for someone else.
I have the distinct impression if LI posted nothing more than a photo of Trump under the title “Trump”, there would be no fewer comments than this post.