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House NeverKevins Defy Trump

House NeverKevins Defy Trump


Has President Donald Trump lost his voice? He urged Republicans to back Kevin McCarthy.

It did not work. In fact, McCarthy lost a vote in the fourth round and is about to lose the fifth round.

Rep. Lauren Boebert mentioned the endorsement in her speech, nominating Rep. Byron Donalds.


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McCarthy had the opportunity to break this logjam and turned it down. Now it looks like the two sides have hardened their positions to the point where they can vote until December without a resolution. McCarthy needs to bow to reality and release his supporters to vote for a consensus candidate. As of now, that is probably Scalise.

Looks like the Republicans need to go into a crowded smoke-filled room with lots of liquor and little food, and not leave until they find someone they can all vote for. I suggest Cathy McMorris-Rogers, one of the more senior reps, without any major flaws or peccadillos.

    henrybowman in reply to OldProf2. | January 4, 2023 at 2:37 pm

    “The Gentleman from Kentucky nominates… Evan Williams?”

    Otto Kringelein in reply to OldProf2. | January 4, 2023 at 7:53 pm

    They need to be locked into a room and told they will be living on bread & water with limited bathroom privileges until such time they find someone they can all vote for. And the and only then will the door be unlocked so that they can immediately go to the House chamber and vote for the person they have selected. And Trump needs to stay the heck out of it all. With his abysmal record of nominating and appointing people to his administration he’s the last person anyone needs to listen to when it comes to selecting the Speaker of the House.

      henrybowman in reply to Otto Kringelein. | January 4, 2023 at 11:12 pm

      “told they will be living on bread & water with limited bathroom privileges until such time they find someone they can all vote for.”
      That didn’t get us better Popes; it won’t get us a better Speaker, either..
      What’s the big rush, anyway? LET THEM SWEAT for a change. Let them hang in the wind.
      Better them than us.

The Gentle Grizzly | January 4, 2023 at 2:29 pm

He hasn’t lost his voice. He’s lost his mind. All-caps is shouting. Digital trading cards are… I don’t know what.

2smartforlibs | January 4, 2023 at 2:33 pm

McCarthy’s out of give aways in his bag. He has neither the votes nor the momentum. Step aside and back someone that can get it done.

Lawlor’s on Fox throwing rocks at the dissidents. I doubt that will help.

“The only speaker in US history to have lost the House twice!”
Except that Kevin is closing in on an embarrassing record of his own.

    MattMusson in reply to henrybowman. | January 4, 2023 at 4:01 pm

    Not anywhere close. We have had speaker votes go into triple digits.

      Olinser in reply to MattMusson. | January 4, 2023 at 6:00 pm

      Actually it may be true. I haven’t looked personally – but multiple votes usually meant they nominated DIFFERENT PEOPLE for those votes. They would vote, negotiate, nominate somebody else, vote again, etc, until they finally found somebody palatable to all.

      I believe that McCarthy will undoubtedly be the first in history to lose 6 votes in a row simply because nobody else was stupid enough to nominate somebody that WOULD lose 6 votes in a row.

I find this rather entertaining.

Never Kevins defy Trump.

McCarthyites support Trump.

One Idiot can’t decide. Votes present.

    Olinser in reply to Paula. | January 4, 2023 at 3:17 pm

    Seems like that one was just a RINO trying to boost their conservative cred by ‘not voting’ for McCarthy so they could campaign on it.

    But that’s actually a good bellweather of where this saga is going. Not a single vote has moved towards McCarthy, and now TWO votes have moved AWAY from him because they’re reading the political tea leaves and calculating that the get more political benefit from switching against him than continuing to back him.

    NOT a good sign for McCarthy.

    diver64 in reply to Paula. | January 4, 2023 at 5:03 pm

    I got news for her. Stand in the middle of the road and you will get run over.
    As the Marines train their officers: “Do something. Right thing, wrong thing just do something. Don’t stand there”

    stevie in reply to Paula. | January 5, 2023 at 8:23 am

    I want to know who voted Present. They should be removed from Congress.

I guess McCarthy should have work harder to elect more Republicans.

    CommoChief in reply to Eddie Baby. | January 4, 2023 at 4:20 pm

    This is the ironic part, had the establishment done a more effective job in the midterms there would be a larger r majority, perhaps large enough to make 20 opposing votes irrelevant.

    henrybowman in reply to Eddie Baby. | January 4, 2023 at 11:15 pm

    Apparently, he’s too incompetent to get even ONE elected.

I would like to see the Speaker make Public Promises.

So Boebert just aired out Trump’s ineffectiveness on twitter. This ought to be entertaining for those that like to watch stuff burn.

    thad_the_man in reply to healthguyfsu. | January 4, 2023 at 4:35 pm

    I just checked her twitter couldn’t find it. Got a link?

    gonzotx in reply to healthguyfsu. | January 4, 2023 at 4:36 pm

    What it says is MAGA is more than just one person.

    And that’s a good thing because we MAGA can’t win this with just “One” leader

    We were Tea Party leaderless people wandering in the dark of the political world when our Leader came forward, President Trump
    Who had his second election stolen, however we are not clones like RINOs and Dems.
    I don’t know what’s behind his support, but as much as I love him, I wouldn’t vote McCarthy either….

      Olinser in reply to gonzotx. | January 4, 2023 at 6:04 pm

      The graveyard of the world is filled with ‘indispensable’ leaders.

      healthguyfsu in reply to gonzotx. | January 4, 2023 at 8:25 pm

      Great, you at least have a brain of your own. Now use it to detach yourself from Trump’s rectum.

      Thad, I meant to say that it was on twitter about her blasting Trump’s ineffectiveness in Congress. The point is the same…it’s strange that Trump is not already attacking her. If he were still relevant, the press would be begging him for a quote on the No voters.

Just nominate Zelenskyy, he already owns them

    That image of Kevin! McCarthy with the Ukraine flag in his breast pocket reminded me of Boehner and his stupid decorations he’d wear on St Patrick’s day. (Being Boehner is a drunk, that’s his favorite day.)

    McCarthy is just another Boehner, without the booze.

When the dems have a 1 vote majority, the dems get everythign they want.
When the reps have a 1 vote majority, the dems get everything they want.
McCarthy will continue that tradition.
What is Trump trying to do?

McCarthy just needs to convince 8 Democrats to not show up. He can’t even do that and he basically helps them every chance he gets.

    stevewhitemd in reply to geronl. | January 4, 2023 at 6:19 pm

    Wrong. Mr. McCarthy needs an absolute majority of the House — 218 votes (House Rule XX.11). Right now he’s at about 201, while Mr. Jeffries, the Dem, has all 212 of his party’s votes. If a plurality was enough to win, the latter would now be Speaker.

      CommoChief in reply to stevewhitemd. | January 4, 2023 at 7:28 pm

      I believe the majority rule applies to the number of votes cast not the number of members elect. If the d/prog had 100 folks not show up to vote then McCarthy could win with his 201 reflecting the majority of the votes cast; 201 McCarthy, 112 Jefferies and 21 other.

      There could be a motion made and then approved to alter the majority rule down to a plurality. Won’t happen IMO b/c that needs a majority and the r would be handing the gavel to Jefferies at 212 if they voted to pass the change.

      i’ worried that may happen.

This simply shows that the Rs are as dysfunctional as the Ds, something that any sentient American has known for quite a while.

    Eric R. in reply to RandomCrank. | January 4, 2023 at 6:31 pm

    The Ds are not dysfunctional. They are in fact, ruthless and disciplined. They have the determination and zeal of religious fanatics – which in fact, is what they are.

If the Swamp Republicans like McConnell, who sold us and America out on that multi trillion omnibus, and Rona who despite being a total disaster is the Liz Cheney of the old boys network had done their jobs then this would not happen. I, for one, am glad the Swamp is getting a taste of people with a backbone who are standing up and saying NO

Hey, maybe DeSantis can whip up support for someone

So sure he can….

One of the clashing points if I’m reading this right is the conservative’s request for any Member to make a motion of ‘no confidence’ in the Speaker from the floor rather than just one of four right now. That’s the way it was for the first half of the country’s history but now it seems to be radical and crazy (although I can see the Dems taking advantage of it like Harvy with a young actress). How about as a compromise making it so any Member *who steps down from all committees and such* can make such a motion. Put a little skin in the game, so to say.

    CommoChief in reply to georgfelis. | January 4, 2023 at 7:33 pm

    That was the rule less than a decade ago.. The member who makes such a motion is gone be in for a spell of the nasty from the Speaker for doing it if the motion fails so they have skin in the game. Probably lose committee assignments and almost certainly their CD won’t be high on the list for pork. Reassign their office to the smallest closet in the building. All sorts of dirty pool.

I think it’s any republican, not democrat

Trump’s strongest supporters are leaving him. Trump is toast if he tries to run again.

    henrybowman in reply to JR. | January 4, 2023 at 5:59 pm

    Could you ride out to the SW corner of the pasture? There’s some shit out that way that hasn’t yet been stirred. Thanks.

      RandomCrank in reply to henrybowman. | January 4, 2023 at 8:32 pm

      Unfortunate to see so much down voting from a comment section that’s usually smarter. The fact that McCarthy can’t get elected speaker after Trump urged them to do it ought to speak volumes. I don’t care what anyone thinks of Trump. It’s immaterial to my point. If there was any doubt that he’s lost the mojo, there shouldn’t be now.

      And please no one make me laugh by puking out some version of how unfair it is, and how no one has any loyalty. The first is for Democrats, and the second is for every loser walking around with a knife sticking out of his back. Everyone really needs to grow the $^%#*$ for a change.

    gonzotx in reply to JR. | January 4, 2023 at 6:21 pm

    Hmmm, heard that like 27,000,000 times

    “It’s over for Trump, we got him this time”

      But this is the first time that the most ardent Trump supporters in America have said that “It’s over for Trump.” Not CNN, not the Washington Post, not the New York Times, not any of the mainstream media, not the January 6th Committee, not the RINOs, not the GOPe, not the Uniparty, but those who have been Trump’s strongest and most faithful supporters. Trump has lost his base. Stick a fork in him. He’s done.

        CommoChief in reply to JR. | January 4, 2023 at 7:35 pm

        Some but not all. There are plenty of true believers out there that still pay homage to Trump.

        RandomCrank in reply to JR. | January 4, 2023 at 8:48 pm

        This is true where I am. Trump’s supporters have pretty much had it with him, and want to move on. Double edged sword, by the way. If Trump still commanded the tides, those 20 Rs wouldn’t be doing what they are doing. This is an archetypal lose-lose-lose moment.

    txvet2 in reply to JR. | January 4, 2023 at 6:31 pm

    I don’t think so. Most of them don’t seem to think he’s part of this, in spite of his endorsement and just want him to stand aside until they work it out. After it’s over, they’ll still be in his camp.

    I didn’t upvote or downvote you – but I do agree Trump doesn’t appear to have his ear to the ground like he used to.

Per reports, McCarthy is meeting with at least some of the dissidents right now. Haven’t seen any reports of gunshots or furniture breaking yet.

The Speaker of the House does NOT have to be a sitting member of the House. Maybe it’s time to break precedent and embrace that.

Lee Zeldin should be considered. After all, if it weren’t for the five House seats that flipped in NYS as a result of his Gubernatorial campaign bringing out voters, the Republicans wouldn’t even BE selecting a speaker.

    healthguyfsu in reply to Eric R.. | January 4, 2023 at 8:30 pm

    What works in NY doesn’t work everywhere else contrary to what the NYC sewage rats would like you to believe.

    RandomCrank in reply to Eric R.. | January 4, 2023 at 8:37 pm

    Oh yeah, that’s the ticket. Have the Republicans do something that’s going to make them look like an even weirder and dumber pack of clowns. Thank God that after I left the Dems in 2014, I told myself not to even think about becoming a Republican for at least 15 years and then only if they performed. At this rate, I’m going to die as a cranky independent.

    I just got in from plowing 6″ of snow, with another 6″ forecast. I did my work. The Republicans are a bunch of lazy, yammering, stupid, obnoxious fools. The fact that the Democrats are at least as bad justifies nothing. I despise all of these people.

Make the speakers job a committee of 3. McCarthy, Boebert, and Jim Jordan would be my 3 nominees. That way any critical decisions can be decided by the best 2 of 3 votes. Rotate out the 3 positions every 2 years. The only way I know of to get things moving. The dems have in unison voted for Jeffries and we sure don’t need that left brained socialist in control.

    henrybowman in reply to The Beef. | January 4, 2023 at 11:23 pm

    A fantastic suggestion.
    Absolutely and totally unconstitutional, but every plan has at least one fault.

    stevie in reply to The Beef. | January 5, 2023 at 8:41 am

    No committees.
    “A committee is a group of people who individually can do nothing, but who, as a group, can meet and decide that nothing can be done.”