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Karine Jean-Pierre Thinks it’s Normal to Not Know Election Results ‘For a Few Days’

Karine Jean-Pierre Thinks it’s Normal to Not Know Election Results ‘For a Few Days’

“That’s how this is supposed to work.”

Again, I ask, why is America the only country that cannot get election results on the night of the election?

Don’t answer. Once again, it’s rhetorical because I know.

First we saw Politico planting the seed to make it okay to question the election. Second, I found that one Georgia county is extending the deadline for absentee ballots for over 1,036 voters because someone forgot to mail them out.

Third, Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre normalized the idea that we do not know election results for days after the election.

No, this is not how it works:

JEAN-PIERRE: “It took two weeks to call every state. In modern elections, more and more ballots are being cast in early voting and also by mail, and many states don’t start counting those ballots until after the ballots — after — pardon me, after the polls close on November 8. So, you heard the President say this the other night. He has been very clear on this as well. We may not know all the winners of elections for a few days. It takes time to count all legitimate ballots in a legal and orderly manner. That’s how — that’s how this is supposed to work, and it’s important for us to all be patient when — while the votes are being counted.”

How about we get rid of early voting? Why is it so hard to vote in person now than it was back in my day? We have Uber, Lyft, and many more ways to get to the polls.

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No, it isn’t normal. Nobody can possibly believe that the country that put a man on the moon can’t figure out how to count ballots.

    As a non-American, I have to endorse this.

    It always staggers me how Americans can have such a long history of automating elections (ours are still “tick the box”) and yet somehow seem to operate like they’re 100 years ago.

    Here in NZ, we have a system with 2 votes, and while the first time around was quite slow (results 2am-ish) these days you expect to know the winner by midnight and probably much sooner.

    CellarDoor in reply to Ironclaw. | November 8, 2022 at 10:08 am

    This is what you can expect when you allow a foreigner into a position like this. It’s disgusting.

They build a system that takes time so they have time to cheat.

There is no reason why the system has to take more than one day.

These are choices, not inevitabilities.

    sven10077 in reply to jhkrischel. | November 7, 2022 at 8:54 pm

    They expect you to believe that we spend 10 times the money with less than a third more population and the time to count goes up geometrically.

    Want it fixed?

    1) one day to vote
    2) you need ID as strong as that required to go into a federal court house to vote
    3) playing games with elections is a capital offense.

    Problem solved.

    Game on.

      I agree with your 1 and 2. But regarding your #3, what constitutes ‘playing games?’ Questioning the results? Publishing data analysis that reveals the astronomically infinitesimal odds that an announced result could be legitimate and NOT the results of massive fraud? Revealing video evidence that suitcases of votes were pulled from under a table and counted after the counting was ‘ceased’ for the night and poll watchers were told to go home? Conducting data analysis revealing voter rolls are stuffed with dead and duplicate voters? Revealing geo-data analysis showing thousands of mules harvested ballots in violation of the law? Who gets to decide?

    InEssence in reply to jhkrischel. | November 7, 2022 at 11:40 pm

    They use the extra time to count the dirty ballots. They know which ballots are dirty, so they don’t mail; they ship them to a voting center. After the election, they ship in enough dirty ballots to sway the election.

    A few decades ago, the results were counted in 1 to 2 hours. 24 hours is too long. If the votes are counted at the precinct (they should be), anything that’s not counted by 11:00 (4 hours) should be examined.

    My local government send me an email today saying that they counted my ballot. If they count them early, they can cheat.

I’ll also put out this – we don’t need, and honestly shouldn’t want, 100% voter participation rate. The framing is being proposed as “we shouldn’t lose a single vote, no matter how unreliably it was cast”.

The framing should be, “if voting is important enough to you, you should choose the most reliable methods of voting – voting is your responsibility”.

    henrybowman in reply to jhkrischel. | November 7, 2022 at 8:15 pm

    I definitely don’t want 100% voter participation rate. We have plenty of people here in the USA that are too stupid, ignorant, or apathetic to understand what voting even accomplishes.
    Here’s one (skip to timestamp -0:15).

      Milhouse in reply to henrybowman. | November 7, 2022 at 11:32 pm

      Agreed that 100% participation is not a good thing. I wish participation rates were lower, not higher. Only those motivated to vote should vote. And Congress made a big mistake when it banned literacy tests; yes, they were being horribly abused, but the answer should have been to fix the abuses, not to throw them out altogether.

So we can take that as an announcement that the results are going to be delayed again and recounted until they produce the “correct” results. Again.

Some States have chosen to build and maintain an elections system that gets the counting completed on election day. Some States haven’t. It’s a choice to continue to have a lag in counting and reporting. One wonders why a State would choose to keep a system that couldn’t get it done on Election Day. Perhaps the people who have the power to adopt a more streamlined, efficient and transparent system don’t want those things.

    SeiteiSouther in reply to CommoChief. | November 8, 2022 at 10:00 am

    Thank God in my state we usually know of who won and when to expect a runoff within hours of polls closing. (our polls close at 8 p.m.). Kennedy and Scalise are going to coast back into their seats.

    And I voted to limit property taxes in Orleans Parish, simply because of their HORRIBLE assessment practices and abuses. They’ve proven that they can’t be trusted in assessments, so I voted to tie their damn purse strings. Next, I hope that they get enough signatures to recall that massive failure of a mayor. She’s making Marc Morial’s crappy admin from the mid 90’s look like a birthday party

Colonel Travis | November 7, 2022 at 7:51 pm

Yes, yes.
A proper cheating takes a little time. We know.

Take a moment to reflect on how our banking system works. You can go into virtually any place and purchase with a credit card, or go to one of millions of ATM’s and pull out cash. Every transaction is authenticated, verified and tabulated in real-time. Fraud is detected in real-time using neural networks and other sophisticated technologies. Yet our voting system is a cluster-f*ck. Why? Who benefits from such a mess?

It’s normal to certify the results after a couple of days. That is just doing your due diligence on validating results. In recent years, though, it has become too close to have projected winners and part of that MAY be due to ballot stuffing/fraud.

The biggest problem is not the number of days. It becomes whether or not you trust the validators…if they are anything like the left’s ‘fact-checker’ army, then I wouldn’t trust anything they do that isn’t magnified under a bright LED microscope.

She’s not just a child, she’s a stupid child.

Last Tuesday:
Pennsylvania Supreme Court rules undated ballots won’t be counted

Today:
John Fetterman’s Pa. Senate campaign is suing to have undated and misdated ballots counted

There will likely be tens of thousands of undated and wrongly dated
ballots rejected statewide under a Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruling.

Guess it will take a few days to find the “right” judge

    Milhouse in reply to Neo. | November 7, 2022 at 11:38 pm

    The supreme court never ruled that they wouldn’t be counted. It ruled that they should be set aside and not counted at first, until a court decides the issue.

    The point is that state law says they must not be counted, but federal law, which is binding on the states, says that no state is allowed to invalidate votes due to trivial errors. So the question is whether this is a trivial error or a significant one. The only federal court that has considered the matter said it was trivial, and the votes must be counted; but that ruling was overturned on procedural grounds, so it remains undecided.

      txvet2 in reply to Milhouse. | November 7, 2022 at 11:51 pm

      “”federal law, which is binding on the states,””

      There are times when the feds need to keep their noses out of state business. (An archaic concept, I know.)

        Milhouse in reply to txvet2. | November 8, 2022 at 12:43 am

        Federal law is automatically binding on the states. State judges are bound by it too. That’s the constitution.

          Close The Fed in reply to Milhouse. | November 8, 2022 at 4:47 am

          Bullsh**. Only valid federal law. Wake up, prissy.

          henrybowman in reply to Milhouse. | November 8, 2022 at 3:23 pm

          Only federal law which has a valid basis in a power delegated under the constitution. And there’s a crap load of federal law that has no such authorization. And a whole lot of it has to do with telling states how they have to hold their elections, which is constitutionally reserved entirely to the states.

      Close The Fed in reply to Milhouse. | November 8, 2022 at 4:48 am

      A law is not trivial that provides Americans BELIEVE the election was accurate.

      A law that makes Americans BELIEVE the election was RIGGED leads to unrest and potentially civil war. NOT TRIVIAL.

This mop-headed fool is an underwhelming mixture of stupidity and incompetence. I didn’t think it was possible to find a Press Secretary worse than Little Red Lying Hood, but clearly I was mistaken. Well done, Brandon Administration.

There is no honest excuse for failing to have the vote counted within an hour after the polls close.

Every precinct in California has to have the ballots it turns in counted before they are sent to the central areas. The ballots are all counted and being transported within 15 minutes of polls closing.

It would take very little time to record the vote totals at each precinct, and have each precinct report.

Instead, all the ballots are then gathered in these big, centralized facilities and tallied over the course of a month. Most of every single day of that month, the facility is closed to the public.

I voted in Maryland under a very different, lower tech, auditable system that reported statewide results 1/2 hour after closing.

They used long, heavy paper ballots with huge print. The voter would take a broad-tip marker to complete the answer to a question. The voter would slip the ballot into a sleeve, and then run the ballot through a free-standing tabulator that recorded the votes and rejected any ballots with problems such as mismarks and overvotes.

This system was replaced with $900M worth of miserably inept touch screen machines. Shane Pendergrass was told that there was no way to make the touch-screen machines safe in public by the person who was designated to evaluate them.

All we have to do is stick to paper ballots, and use “dumb” tabulators that merely record but do not transmit the vote totals. Vote totals can be transmitted by phone.

The disingenuous excuse for the month-long fiasco is the mail-in ballots, but they could be processed at the precinct level, if the State were interested in having a faster, more honest count.

Money is no object, here. The Democratic Party in California had enough money (they are supported by State employee unions) to contact each registered Democrat and pick up (harvest) the ballots, the day after ballots were mailed out. They did this for the recall election.

The recall election is also where the recall ballots were rejected in simply fantastic numbers.

    DSHornet in reply to Valerie. | November 7, 2022 at 11:33 pm

    In my “Backward” Southern state, the machine tabulation method you described is used and it works very well. Our results are generally known by 9:00PM, usually earlier. The system works.
    .

Subotai Bahadur | November 7, 2022 at 10:13 pm

The reason for the delays, and they are getting longer, is that the Democrats have to count the votes first, figure out how many they have to print up to win, print them, and get them back and insert them into the turnout. One problem with the economy is that with the supply chain problems and transportation problems it takes longer to get everything together.

However, we probably can make a working assumption that if the Democrats somehow win the election, that it is good working evidence that the electoral paradigm is gone, probably for good.

Subotai Bahadur

Don’t worry – Kevin McCarthy will take care of everything….

*sigh*

She’s 100% right and you are 100% wrong. It is normal not to know all the results for every seat that evening. It has never been any other way. There has probably never been an election since 1789 when all the results were known the same evening. It was never even expected.

Sure, most seats will be clear enough that a winner can be projected that night. But some will be close, and we just have to wait for all the votes to arrive and be counted, which can take days. Tell me when there was ever an election where that wasn’t so.

More than that, name one country where it’s any different.

Israel just had an election last Tuesday. It took until Thursday or Friday for the final results to come out. And they only allow absentee voting for military and diplomats.

    Peabody in reply to Milhouse. | November 7, 2022 at 11:56 pm

    Thanks for responding Milhouse. Appreciate your viewpoint.

    Ironclaw in reply to Milhouse. | November 8, 2022 at 10:15 am

    No, it shouldn’t take days for the votes to ARRIVE. All votes are supposed to be turned in and accounted for by the time polls close. That is the law in practically every single State in the union. This idea that we’re supposed to be accepting votes after the polls are closed is ridiculous and only causes more doubt in the process and suspicion of illegitimate activity The sole exception to this is people who were standing in line before the polls closed, but even then nobody gets to get into line after the polls are officially closed.

As soon as the instant information age came with telegraph, elections became a one day event.
Now they can stick unverified votes in by mail it’s a 2 month event. They know what they are doing.

Steven Brizel | November 8, 2022 at 8:37 am

Her comment is only remotely correct as to hotly contested races where there are questions as to whether legitimate votes of duly registered voters were counted

Her standard for democratic efficiency and excellence is Haiti.

BierceAmbrose | November 8, 2022 at 2:48 pm

Another example of “When they say something, they might actually believe it.”

Anyone sane would be lying to call that “normal” in any developed-ish country. She might well think it’s normal, because she doesn’t understand how anydamnthing works.

For literally decades, I’ve watched uninformed people with no background ad hoc come up with ways to do hard stuff. This appears to be a human disease.

BierceAmbrose | November 8, 2022 at 3:02 pm

Counting things up so we trust the results has been a preoccupation of humans since literally forever. This isn’t new. We know how to do it. We know how robust, transparent, or accurate any given approach is.

The earliest written examples found around the Med that look like language are *literally* inventories and transaction records. Inca artifacts include counting-cords, found with messengers, part of their far-flung production.

We’ve had double-entry bookkeeping and charts of accounts in Western Civ since roughly the Venetians..

With modern cryptography, any update or report out can be *signed* with origin, including time stamp, with tamper-detection built in.

There is literally no reason every counter-upper can’t publish their count, on demand, at the same time, with time stamp, origin, and tamper detection. AND every adjustment batch thereafter reported with the same attributes. AND every roll-up, reported with the same attributes.