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It’s Almost as if an Election Did Not Happen on Tuesday

It’s Almost as if an Election Did Not Happen on Tuesday

We do not have the final results but as of now, the Republicans barely made a sound.

The results from Tuesday might put America back to where she was on Monday…almost. The Red Wave did not happen.

The Republicans might come out with a lead in the Senate and the House. If they do, it will be a small majority. But the Senate might end up back at 50/50.

My friend in England sent me this picture.

Because it is true. We do not have the final results but the writing is on the wall.

The Senate could end up at 50/50 again. The GOP’s House majority will be small.

So where does America stand after Tuesday night? Well, for some reason, no one can properly count votes.

Senate

I mean, look at the Senate map. It hasn’t changed much number-wise. We might end up deadlocked again, with the GOP maybe taking two seats.

Fetterman beat Oz in Pennsylvania.

Nevada GOP Senate candidate Adam Laxalt is up on Democrat incumbent Catherine Cortez=Masto, 50% to 47%, with 75% of the precincts reporting.

Arizona Democrat incumbent Senator Mark Kelly is up on GOP candidate Blake Masters 52% to 46%, with 66% of the precincts reporting.

Wisconsin GOP Sen. Ron Johnson is holding on against Democrat candidate Mandela Barnes, 51% to 49%, with 94% of precincts reporting.

Georgia is Georgia again! Will they go to a runoff? It’s possible. Democrat incumbent Sen. Raphael Warnock is leading GOP candidate Herschel Walker, 49.4% to 48.5%.

House

The GOP will likely land control of the house, but the incoming results and information show it will be small.

The party grabbed a few seats on Tuesday night. They won VA-02, kicking out January 6th Committee member Elaine Luria and elected Jen Kiggans.

It’s not official yet, but in OR-5, Republican candidate Lori Chavez-DeRemer leads Democrat candidate Jamie McLeod-Skinner 51.11% to 48.89%.

The GOP lost a seat when Democrat Greg Landsman defeated GOP incumbent Steve Chabot in OH-1. Chabot has represented the district since 1995.

GOP candidate Monica De La Cruz won the newly redrawn TX-15 district.

GOP flipped NY-03! George Santos defeated Democrat Robert Zimmerman. I know some hate identity politics, but it’s the first time two openly gay men ran against each other in a congressional district. Very cool. AND THE REPUBLICAN WON.

GOP lost TX-34. Rep. Mayra Flores won the seat in June after a special election, but her Democrat opponent Vicente Gonzalez defeated her last night.

The GOP also lost the MI-3 seat to Democrat Hillary Scholten. The GOP ousted sitting Rep. Peter Meijer in the primary, picking Trump-endorsed John Gibbs.

Governor

Republican Kari Lake still has a shot beating Democrat Katie Hobbs, who leads the former 50.9% to 49.1% with only 63% of the precincts reporting.

Huge that Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp beat sitting Gov. Stacey Abrams! Hahaha. This time Abrams conceded. Maybe she learned her lesson?

I doubt Robert Francis O’Rourke has, even though Texas Gov. Greg Abbott crushed him last night. Brit Hume called O’Rourke the Charlie Crist of Texas.

Did you know Crist is the first to lose statewide elections as a Republican, Democrat, and Independent?

Michigan Democrat Gov. Gretchen Whitmer held her seat.

Nevada GOP candidate Joe Lombardo has a lead on democrat incumbent Steve Sisolak, 50.6^ to 45.8% with 72% of the votes counted.

Oregon GOP candidate Christine Drazan can still beat Democrat candidate Tina Kotek! Kote leads 45.7% to 44.7%. Independent Betsy Johnson sits at 8.8%. So that one is still possible for a GOP pickup, which would be huge!

Now What?

Well… we don’t know much yet, but…it’s obviously going to be dreary for the Republicans no matter what.

As I said before, the writing is on the wall.

Yes, voting machines sucked and ruined everything, and no doubt the Chicago Way leaked to other places across the country.

The Republicans still need to do better. How have they failed a lot since 2010? I don’t get it.

Do the Republicans want to win? Look at Florida. The state is the blueprint of success that both parties could use.

Also, HOW does the Republican Party explain sticking with former President Donald Trump when Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis destroyed Charlie Crist and won Miami-Dade County? The first time a Republican governor won that county since 2002. I would like the GOP to answer that question.

Marco Rubio has been around for a while, but he also crushed it against Val Demmings despite the Democrats shoving her down everyone’s throats.

I’m saying the Republican Party at the national level should look at DeSantis and the Florida Republican Party and learn from them. Shoot, any political party could learn a lot from Florida.

Republicans, while America still has early and absentee voting, take advantage of it. Florida processes and counts those ballots immediately instead of waiting until Election Day or when the polls close. The state really progressed from the 2020 fiasco.

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Comments

smalltownoklahoman | November 9, 2022 at 7:12 am

Disappointing but not surprising. Red staying red and blue staying blue. My dad commented that if we do go into a full blown recession before 2024 though that the Dems won’t be able to blame republicans for it, they will own it completely.

    Dems never own anything.
    They will lie and obfuscate as they always do.

    We know they are the culprits, but there’s evidently a lot of people that will believe whatever they say. Example: PA is sending a zombie to sit in the Senate.

      fscarn in reply to Exiliado. | November 9, 2022 at 11:33 am

      My neighbor kept telling that they don’t like all these high prices, for food, for gas, for electricity, for insurance, and on and on.

      Guess they’d been lying to me all the way.

      The Real Truth in reply to Exiliado. | November 9, 2022 at 2:07 pm

      I could not believe that Penn. voters were ignorant enough to send an incompetent man
      who could not do his job back to the Senate ! Feeling sorry for his condition is one thing, but he cannot think or make decisions properly.

        henrybowman in reply to The Real Truth. | November 9, 2022 at 3:51 pm

        Used to be that America is where you emigrated to to join a bunch of people who were smart enough and strong enough to govern themselves. No longer.

    Otto Kringelein in reply to smalltownoklahoman. | November 9, 2022 at 8:38 am

    Oh baloney, if we go into a “full blown recession before 2024” the democrats will find a way to blame republicans (<–they only get a lower case "r" from me from now on) and the ignorant, government dependent lap dog subjects citizens of this country will lap it up without any critical thought to the matter. That’s how the democrats do it. Yell the “big lie” loud enough and often enough and the masses will believe it lock, stock, and barrel – it’s worked up to this point so can’t see why they’d change their tactics.

    There are no good reasons to have anything but paper ballots. France banned machines. They count every paper ballot in a day. The U.S. can re-direct asteroids by precision satellite crashes, but we can’t get our elections down because the Left needs to cheat. No way to be convinced differently.

      For the life of me, I don’t understand the obsession with paper ballots. They are the EASIEST to corrupt. Our ancestors did it since George Washington. They can be miscounted, altered, hidden, thrown in the creek – as Democrats used to do in Eastern Kentucky. Counting paper ballots requires a human element that can easily be bought.

        WestRock in reply to SamC130. | November 9, 2022 at 10:28 am

        Apparently the Germans do multiple counts with different teams and the count and count again until the numbers match, they they do it in a day. I may have a detail here or there wrong but that’s the gist of it and it seems doable to me

        maxmillion in reply to SamC130. | November 9, 2022 at 10:30 am

        Electronic voting has MANY more ways to cheat than paper.

        Milhouse in reply to SamC130. | November 9, 2022 at 10:34 am

        Paper ballots can be watched to ensure those things don’t happen. You have to allow teams from all parties access to watch them, but it can be done. With purely electronic voting and no paper backup, no amount of watching can guarantee an honest result. The same with the old mechanical voting machines — there was no way to audit them, you had to simply trust that they had not been fiddled with, which only a fool would trust.

          henrybowman in reply to Milhouse. | November 9, 2022 at 3:57 pm

          I’m old enough to remember tales of how they used to do it with the mechanical machines. Their readouts were like odometer wheels (heh, those are gone now, too). The cheaters used to preset them to some high number for their guys, then paste stickers with zeroes on them over the front-facing numbers so they looked clean and ready to be used. Votes would turn the wheels, which would then rub the stickers off inside the machine.

        Barry in reply to SamC130. | November 9, 2022 at 12:55 pm

        “They are the EASIEST to corrupt.”

        Horsepuckey. You don’t have a clue.

      henrybowman in reply to FreeBop. | November 9, 2022 at 3:53 pm

      “It’s Almost as if an Election Did Not Happen on Tuesday”
      It’s almost as if there’s some serious CIA-level shit going down now.

    The GOPe leadership has to go. I have no idea how that is going to happen with the current bunch.

    Fat_Freddys_Cat in reply to smalltownoklahoman. | November 9, 2022 at 9:30 am

    But I doubt that Republicans will be able to capitalize on it. They should have done much better this time–and didn’t.

    A little surprising. Given the economy, this should have been 2010 all over again.

    I’m not surprised by Wa.

    Sad, but not surprised.

    Oregon will remain Dem.

    We are in a full-blown recession.

    NOBODY is talking about the elephant in the room: GOP Chairwoman Rona Romney McDaniel.

    When the hell is she being shown the door?

    Winston Churchill warned the UK for ten years that Germany was duplicitous and getting worse; people did not believe him. When it could be denied no longer, they finally heard. Some still did not believe him.
    I think this was a battle in the war, not the war. We will win some battles,, we will lose some, but we must never, ever give up.
    Yes the election was disappointing, but there were some good things to come out of it. Discouraged we may be, but we can never give up.
    For me, in dark times, I would hope for some encouragement even as we dissect all that did not happen according to our hopes. The battle belongs to the Lord, after all.

Fetterman the vegetable should never win. It’s a referendum on Oz as a horrible candidate and Trump as a horrible meddler in areas where he just doesn’t poll well.

Please cultists drop the Trump obsession and focus your political strategy on more than just one man. Also, if he declares for 2024 after this absolute debacle then we once again get proof that he is all about himself rather than the needs of the country.

What a failure. In this economy with this crime rate and we basically split the difference? Rs should have swept most everything. Are we really that deep in the sewer? Mary is right about one thing, Trump needs to go. He hurt us and helped the Ds. Dems are salivating at the thought of him in 2024. If this country is to be saved, it will not be saved from DC, it will be local local local.

DeSantis dominated in FLORIDA not the US! The GOPe conceded FL to DeSantis and didn’t run interference like they did in the other key races.

And the Stupid in The Stupid Party was ripe for abandoning the only champion they’ve had since Reagan because of “feelings”. How easy is it to watch yet another messy election where the machines didn’t work, especially in states like AZ where the Democrat governor candidate is also in charge of overseeing election integrity?

If you want to know why the GOP just can’t get it’s act together, it starts with the Stupid Voter.

If DeSantis is the GOP candidate in 2024, these mid-terms didn’t help him. We now know that rigged elections are “normal” and no one, especially Republican voters, are interested in fixing it. WE NEED A STRONG, UNITED REPUBLICAN PARTY TO DEFEAT THIS RIGGED SYSTEM!

And now we know that won’t happen. YOU Republicans are once again snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Let the primary season begin. I’m sticking to being an unaffiliated independent. I can’t deal with the Stupid.

    CommoChief in reply to Pasadena Phil. | November 9, 2022 at 7:35 am

    Please show us the success rate for competitive Statewide offices of Gov and US Senator resulting from a DJT endorsement. Then show us the same for open HoR races without an incumbent.

    Hint it wasn’t pretty. Endorsements help, rallies help. They can also hurt. Money to buy ads and get out the vote matters more. McConnell and his establishment faction has lots of blame here for not pushing funds to win noble races. Masters in AZ as one example.

      This wasn’t a victory for Democrats but for the McConnell squishes who did everything they could to throw monkey wrenches in key races. If you really want to see how winnable some of these races were and why they were lost, look at NY county by county. Same in CA. I’ll bet it’ll be the same in MI, WI, PA, and other states where the Democrats dominate almost exclusively in 2-3 big cities. These are ALL winnable. But the Republicans just refuse to fight for the cities. How hard would it have been to win NYC with all of the crime, homelessness, unemployment etc…? Republicans dominated mainly in suburban and agricultural areas.

      And people like you take these elections as proof that we have to pivot into DeSantis? How intellectually lazy are you people? The big winners yesterday was the Uniparty! This was Trump vs McConnell and McConnell won! You people are fighting the wrong fight.

      If you really think this bodes well for 2024, you are an idiot. The GOP just blew it’s own brains out. Good job. Now let’s post that picture of smug Cocaine Turtle one more time and celebrate for the Uniparty!

        CommoChief in reply to Pasadena Phil. | November 9, 2022 at 8:23 am

        Phil,

        Why do you insist upon projecting? I haven’t said to dump DJT. I haven’t said DeSantis gets my vote. I have quite the opposite opinion on McConnell and establishment DC types than what you attempt to project onto me. They suck balls. They are selfish grifters who put themselves and their power above the needs of the Nation much less the r party grass roots and certainly they despise folks like me who have been on the populist right for decades.

        I want a r primary race to determine the R nominee. That competition will make the eventual winner stronger by building on the ground support nationwide and help them hone and refine their communications strategy to attract voters by talking about the issues that the voters (not the candidate) believe are most important.

          Whitewall in reply to CommoChief. | November 9, 2022 at 8:42 am

          Yes! A primary indeed. Especially if DJT decides to run.

          A contested primary is the LAST thing we need here. As if the Uniparty doesn’t already have enough BS to project onto a squishy voter base. Now you want to blow up the juggernaut that got us this far? It doesn’t matter what you would like to happen. You need to get a grip of what IS happening and what it means.

          There is no energy behind a contested primary Everyone will come out of it disappointed. And the winner will be on his knees begging at the feet of the dirty money. Just ask Ted Cruz about how things went for him in 2016. That $200m from billionaires already in DeSantis’ war chest doesn’t make you pause for concern?

          We’ve put this on the ballot enough times since Reagan and got nothing but Uniparty neocons consolidating (and even leading – thanks “W”) Democrat lurches to the left. The ONLY ONE who has produced results was Trump and he and his family have paid heavily now for 7+ years. And now you want to us go back 50 steps and refight the old battles by setting unproven candidates at each other so YOU can make up your mind based on what they SAY? Seriously? You don’t see the problem? You don’t see the opportunity being thrown away?

          We’ll never get another chance to stop the communist takeover. We don’t need anymore “thoughtful gentlemen”. We need fighters! And we need them now! You are a quitter!

          CommoChief in reply to CommoChief. | November 9, 2022 at 11:11 am

          Phil,

          You keep attempting to frame this as about DJT. For those like myself who retain an open mind it’s about getting the best candidate as the nominee then supporting the damn nominee. Whomever that is.

          What you propose is straight out of ‘Alice in Wonderland’. The equivalent of the queen shouting ‘first the verdict, then the trial’.

          Since you keep inserting Trump lets take a review. DJT was able to overcome the competition in 2016 including the establishment to secure the nomination and win the Presidency. In contrast the 2020 cycle, with no real primary competition he failed to prevent Biden from being inaugurated.

          Last night’s results for DJT endorsed Statewide candidates in competitive races wasn’t good. They underperformed both expectations and in some cases in contrast to other Statewide candidates. OH, GA as two examples. If DJT endorsement was the magic balm you claim then the results wouldn’t be as they are.

          Try some honey and quit the vinegar if you want to be an effective surrogate.

          henrybowman in reply to CommoChief. | November 9, 2022 at 4:19 pm

          “We’ll never get another chance to stop the communist takeover.”
          If you think you can vote yourselves out of a communist takeover, that’s your first mistake. Socialism is something you can only vote yourself INTO.

        You sir are absolutely right!

        Massinsanity in reply to Pasadena Phil. | November 9, 2022 at 11:32 am

        You have posted a lot of really dumb things here but this is the topper

        “How hard would it have been to win NYC with all of the crime, homelessness, unemployment etc…?”

        How hard… how about impossible. Maybe they could carry SF, Chicago and Cambridge too if they only spent some money there.

          Milhouse in reply to Massinsanity. | November 9, 2022 at 2:02 pm

          Exactly. The only kind of Republican NYC would ever vote for would be a tough-on-crime liberal like Giuliani (remember he was the Liberal Party’s candidate), or an outright Democrat like Bloomberg. The best Zeldin hoped for from NYC was 30%.

          So the Republicans would not have gained any votes in NYC? Campaigning like Trump did in Detroit won him a lot of votes and in statewide elections, you don’t have to “win” the city but cut into that fat pile of votes available for the asking. But you’re right, avoid the highly populated centers in the blue states and concentrate on the scattered Republican voters. Brilliant.

          Milhouse in reply to Massinsanity. | November 9, 2022 at 9:08 pm

          No, you idiot. Republicans did campaign in NYC, very hard, and got good results. But it is insane to think that Republicans can ever carry the city. Not even Reagan’s 1984 landslide was enough to do that.

    DeSantis is in a GOP rich environment.

    It’s rare that you get leaders from elections where the ruling party can’t lose. Exhibit A, B Pelosi and Romney.

    DeSantis did well in Florida. DeSantis did not do as well as the average winning republican governor.

    Read that again, DeSantis did not do as well as the average winning republican governor.

    We have 3 states remaining, those are not included in my numbers (Alaska, Arizona, Nevada) .And I did not include Oregon yet even though it may end up an R win. Take the states won by republicans and the margin. The average win is by a margin of 25.8.

    DeSantis considerably under performed winning Republican governors. That’s just the way it is in the governor races, always has been. A few close ones will occur but most are blow outs. Same is true for the D wins.

    DeWine won Ohio by 25.3. Why isn’t he on the fast track to the R nomination?
    Gordon won Wyoming by 58.3. Why isn’t he on the fast track to the R nomination?
    Kay Ivey won Alabama by 37.7. Why isn’t she on the fast track to the R nomination?
    Bill Lee won Tennessee by 32.0. Why isn’t he on the fast track to the R nomination?

    Why? Because they are not the hand picked candidate by Wall Street, that’s why. Exactly what is the DeSantis policy on trade with China? You’ll never hear it.

Colonel Travis | November 9, 2022 at 7:18 am

it’s easy to understand: this country has too many idiots happily voting for tyrants.

What could go wrong?

    MattMusson in reply to Colonel Travis. | November 9, 2022 at 7:55 am

    It would have been nice to win back the country in one sweeping election. But, for many reasons that did not happen. And, it reminds me of the Winston Churchill quote from 1942 after the British turned back the Africa Korps at El Alamein:

    “Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.”

    Well, kool aid is the only thing not affected by inflation.

Perhaps more people will realize we aren’t, as a country, voting our way out of our current trajectory.

“They need to move on from former President Donald Trump. HOW do they explain sticking with him when Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis destroyed Charlie Crist and won Miami-Dade County? The first time a Republican governor won that county since 2002.”

You nailed it, Mary.

    DeSantis won FL and CANNOT win in 2 years in a divided GOP. I guarantee that I am not a small minority of the disgruntled conservative former Republicans who are really pissed off at Republicans again. People like YOU are the reason why the GOP is The Stupid Party. “Hey kick me again! And this time, aim for the nuts!”.

      Octavius A in reply to Pasadena Phil. | November 9, 2022 at 9:04 am

      The thing is Trump can also not win in a divided GOP, which is of his own making. I’m done with Trump. I’m sure there are a lot of others that feel the same way. Trump has become a political monster. If DeSantis and Trump were to face off in a primary and Trump were to lose is there any question that Trump would then try to run Third Party? If so, the Dems win. If Trump were to become the nominee is there any doubt that if he would splinter the party so much to the point that he would not have the votes to carry the national election? The Dems win. Recall the things Trump said about Ted Cruz, Cruz was not nearly as popular as DeSantis, nor did he have the track record that DeSantis has. People will not be as forgiving of Trump trash talking this time around. He lacks integrity and his abysimal leadership during the pandemic is at least partly responsible for the mess we’re in right now. For Donald J. Trump, it’s all about him now.

        Then force all of your preferred to honor their pledges to NOT run in 2024 if Trump decides to run. Hello? And name calling is all it takes for you to clutch your pearls and run away? What about mean tweets? How about guys like Cruz and his nutty dominionist dad handing out teddy bears and soccer balls to illegal immigrants at the border after selling out to dirty money? That’s okay?

        Were you born yesterday?

        Yeah, nice guys who sell out is so much better than a bare-knuckled fighter in politics.

      He might win if the “Trump or Else” followers would put on clean diapers and accept that there are good candidates with good track records are at least smart enough to know when to keep their mouths shut or close the Twitter app.

      Why is no one mentioning GOP Chairwoman Rona Romney McDaniel?????????????????

Senate races called plus no contest this year gives a current split of 48 D/ 47 R (PQA loss so a pick up for D.
Five races still not called.
Alaska – pencil in a R
Arizona – Masters down 5pt but 33% to be counted.
Georgia – Walker down less than a PT but only 4% out
Nevada – Laxalt up 2.7pt but 20% out
Wisconsin – Johnson up 1.3pt with 6% out

Prediction time. Add Alaska, Wisconsin and Nevada to the R win and they are back to 50. Best hope is Walker outright getting above 50% preventing a runoff. Masters has room to win it but lack of help in funding has hurt his chance.

Bottom line worst case is back to 50/50. The ATL and Athens vote is in so Walker doesn’t have that to contend with. I think he wins outright. Masters probably loses based on numbers now but I don’t know enough about AZ to say for sure because IDK where the uncounted votes are. So fingers crossed 51 or just maybe 52 R Senate.

    Massinsanity in reply to CommoChief. | November 9, 2022 at 11:36 am

    Walker cannot get to 50%, not possible. He can only win in a runoff.

      CommoChief in reply to Massinsanity. | November 9, 2022 at 12:26 pm

      When I posted that it was possible. With more returns in some 4 hours later not so much. Mostly that was me hoping to avoid the run off but it was still on the table early this morning.

        tbonesays in reply to CommoChief. | November 9, 2022 at 12:37 pm

        Warnock and the other D finished in 2nd the first round in 2020. Probably the only political achievement by the Libertarian candidate is get big government Ds elected.

          Milhouse in reply to tbonesays. | November 9, 2022 at 2:06 pm

          Your assumption that L voters would otherwise vote R is erroneous. Every time anyone has looked into where Ls get their votes, it has turned out that they draw about equally from both major parties.

          txvet2 in reply to tbonesays. | November 9, 2022 at 2:29 pm

          I only have the experience of one current Libertarian to draw from, but he assures me that he votes Republican when there’s no Libertarian in the race. He also assured me that “they” only agree with Democrats on drug legalization. It seems pretty clear to me that he’s either very confused or very untruthful.

          tbonesays in reply to tbonesays. | November 9, 2022 at 4:18 pm

          Check their demographics and labels and you will find the Libertarians draw away from the Republican groups. You do not find [significant amounts of ;] libertarian black women and school teachers.

          healthguyfsu in reply to tbonesays. | November 9, 2022 at 4:31 pm

          Milhouse is right, of course. There are plenty of nutbags who call themselves Libertarian, which is why I refuse to call myself one anymore.

          The modern libertarian faction (for that’s all they are and a fractious one at that) is big on abortion rights and that doesn’t bode well for Walker.

          Milhouse in reply to tbonesays. | November 9, 2022 at 9:11 pm

          Tbones, every single study of this question has found the opposite. There have been several, and they all found that the draw from both parties was about equal.

          “every single study”

          All as bogus as the “studiers”.

    henrybowman in reply to CommoChief. | November 9, 2022 at 4:26 pm

    “but I don’t know enough about AZ to say for sure because IDK where the uncounted votes are.”
    The bad news is that often they come off the rezzes, which are heavily blue.

      CommoChief in reply to henrybowman. | November 9, 2022 at 6:28 pm

      Henry,

      Thanks. I don’t know beans about the distribution of the voters in AZ. It helps to get more local input from those who can supply the knowledge.

        we don’t know where they are now, as far as I can tell. The reservations function just like the inner cities – hold back to see how many need to be manufactured.

It’s not a surprising outcome. But it a possible indicator that I see as depressing. Red states may be getting more red and blue states getting more blue. People feel a good deal of misery in the country, but everyone essentially reverts to their corner.. Sure, there are some bad candidates that aren’t helping in places that aren’t hard core red or blue like NH and GA. But the future still doesn’t look great when given the chance some voting populations stay partisan. A surprising number.

    CommoChief in reply to 1A_Rules. | November 9, 2022 at 7:41 am

    Good analysis.

    The ‘great sorting’ as folks pick up and move to CD or States that more closely match their personal beliefs, culture continues. Gerrymandering plays a big part in shaping the composition of the electorate for the HoR and non statewide offices.

    Massinsanity in reply to 1A_Rules. | November 9, 2022 at 11:39 am

    All indications are that for politicians not named Sununu NH is now solidly Blue.

    Hassan was vulnerable. Papas is among the weakest politicians I have ever seen. He aspires to be a soy boy but he won… easily and so did Hassan.

I do not see anyone other than Trump as being qualified to clean out the swamp. I do not think DeSantis has the that capability. The swamp must be drained.

    Trump had 4 years to clean out the swamp. But he didn’t do it.

      wendybar in reply to JR. | November 9, 2022 at 7:55 am

      Kinda hard to do when you have to fight Fake Russian Collusion hoaxes, 2 fake impeachments, McConnell, helping Democrats…ect..ect..ect.. But, keep on thinking they won’t do the same thing to DeSantis and his family. I hope they can handle it.

        Danny in reply to wendybar. | November 9, 2022 at 11:24 am

        They tried everything they could on DeSantis and failed, and he made Florida a red state instead of purple.

        McConnell also never helped Democrats. Making attacking Republican leadership part of the message is self defeating.

          wendybar in reply to Danny. | November 9, 2022 at 11:48 am

          They haven’t even STARTED in on DeSantis yet, since EVERYTHING is about Trump still. Just wait. It’s coming.

          henrybowman in reply to Danny. | November 9, 2022 at 4:35 pm

          This is ridiculous. DeSantis hasn’t even been a target of the real swamp yet. Wait until the thrift store where his wife’s sister works gets investigated by the DOJ for supporting a local white nationalist cell.

          DeSantis is lucky he has three tiny kids… if he had a boy Barron’s age, he’d likely wake up some morning to find gigabytes of child porn planted on his laptop.

          Barry in reply to Danny. | November 9, 2022 at 8:47 pm

          Danny the dope, always out to help the china owned.

          DeSantis didn’t make Florida red. It just happened. DeSantis didn’t hurt it either.

          McConnell always helps the democrats liar. They both work for your boss, Xi.

          “It just happened.” I am laughing so hard right now. I live in Florida, and no, it didn’t just “happen” to become red. That’s priceless!

          Barry in reply to Danny. | November 10, 2022 at 1:07 pm

          Tell us then Fuzzy, how DeSantis made the state red? It just happened is precise, because it has multiple factors, starting with Trump. Without Trump you didn’t get DeSantis. That’s priceless!

          Give us the factors that turned Florida into a red state and tell us which ones the current governor is responsible for. I’l give you one, DeSantis was a large factor in ending the corrupt voting.

          Note: The state of Florida has not had a democrat Governor in this century. Take a look at the statewide R party held offices in the last 20 years prior to the current Gov.

          Oh, now ask yourself, “Self, how come I never heard of Ron DeSantis before Trump, after all he was a politician prior?”

          I know you won’t.

        Dagwood in reply to wendybar. | November 9, 2022 at 11:28 am

        Pretty sure they’ll handle it with far more grace and with far better responses than the kindergarten-grade level insults to which Trump resorts.

          SaltyDonnie in reply to Dagwood. | November 9, 2022 at 1:46 pm

          Ever been the target of unrelenting lawfare? Handling it “with grace” is ludicrous. This is no longer about personalities. As a fan of DeSantis, even I don’t think he has what it takes to face the DC Deep State machine (DNC AND GOP) that will make him the next McHitlerSatan, like they did with Reagen, Bush, McCain, Romney, Trump, etc. The difference was Trump fought back as dirty as they did, and had the “independent wealth” to do so. DeSantis doesn’t, and he will be co-opted the instant he runs, because he will not have a compliant GOP Congress to catch his back like he has in the Florida Leg. He will be told to suck the GOP D and if he doesn’t, he’ll have his own RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA whipped up to hamper him.

      herm2416 in reply to JR. | November 9, 2022 at 8:03 am

      Sorry, didn’t mean to upvote.
      Four years in a decades-long entrenched system? With congress actively undermining him at every turn? With a hostile and belittling media?
      C’mon, man.
      No upvote for you.

      CommoChief in reply to JR. | November 9, 2022 at 8:37 am

      Not a very realistic expectation given the circumstances. The power of the entrenched interests is too much to overcome in one term and with tepid support at best in Congress.

      Can’t pin that all on DJT.

      maxmillion in reply to JR. | November 9, 2022 at 10:32 am

      Are you mentally impaired in real life too, or do just pose that way on the internet?

    Finally, someone who understands. If yesterday crowns DeSantis as the alternative because he won FL against an awful candidate, why isn’t TX winner Greg Abbott also now in the race for POTUS? Commenter here have been primed to dump Trump at the faintest chance. Yet he is the only one who has had any success fighting for what we claim we are willing to die for and he succeeded fighting the entire world! He saved us from Hillary! Now we have to go through what will certainly be a bloody primary because too many of us are unwilling to fight the squishes in the important battles? We quit just like that?

    Did anyone notice that Rona Romney McDaniel’s shot across the bow at Trump yesterday? THAT is the real battle going on right now. And it sure seems like most commenters here are already on that train.

    Disgusting. We don’t deserve to win.

      You are 100% correct, and you might add Brian Kemp to that list. Abbott and Kemp both beat NATIONALLY known candidates while DeSantis beat a hanger-on most Americans barely know of. Kemp’s win over Abrams is fantastic she LOST in a state with a massive black population who vote for Democrats 100% of the time. As for Trump, bear in mind that he wasn’t elected by Republicans, he was elected by people who believed in him – and still do. Actually, I only voted for him because I detest HIllary Clinton and Joe Biden but he actually did a pretty darn good job as president, considering he had the media as well as Democrats against him.

        healthguyfsu in reply to SamC130. | November 9, 2022 at 10:31 am

        Can’t believe you got 3 upvotes….Kemp vs Trump, the cultists on here would just love that.

        CommoChief in reply to SamC130. | November 9, 2022 at 11:35 am

        Well ok that’s a fair point. Here’s another fair point:
        In 2018 DeSantis margin was 34,000 votes.
        In 2022 the margin is over 1.5 Million votes.

        No doubt that FL of 2018 was purple and the endorsement of DJT helped DeSantis. No question those were true of 2018.

        In 2022 FL is now a solid red State. No statewide d/prog holds office now for the first time since the end of reconstruction era. R registration has moved from a deficit to a large advantage.

        Those shifts are due to the leadership of DeSantis in Rona by stopping the Fauchi Fascists and Branch Covidians. Standing up for Parents and Students against Disney/Trans ideology and winning. His excellent performance in the recent Hurricane. All that is due to DeSantis.

          The_Mew_Cat in reply to CommoChief. | November 9, 2022 at 4:06 pm

          I doubt FL is solid red. It is just that DeSantis is a good governor, and a state full of retirees cares less about abortion rights.

          henrybowman in reply to CommoChief. | November 9, 2022 at 4:45 pm

          That’s all true. I attribute it to the fact that unlike Trump, DeSantis is a career politician, and has the background to have built up a valuable network of colleagues, supporters, and team members. Trump jumped from real estate to the top of the political pyramid in one hop, skipping all the dues-paying homework, and as a result, had absolutely no idea who he could really trust, in the most backbiting career in the world. He didn’t even have the phone number of whoever these days is the Republicans’ version of Dick Tuck, and that’s the sort of thing you need when you are up against liars and cheaters.

          Not only that but Trump winning Florida in 2016 is what put Florida in play in the first place and got DeSantis elected the first time.

          BTW, all of this talk about Trump vs DeSantis was started by the Democrats and a few RINO sites. I can’t find a single link where taken in context, Trump or DeSantis attacked the other. You are just feeding the BS fire. Knock it off.

          CommoChief in reply to CommoChief. | November 9, 2022 at 6:41 pm

          Phil,

          I have yet to advocate for DeSantis over DJT. I have pointed out facts about their relative strengths and weaknesses. Frankly I don’t care if DeSantis runs in 2024. IMO it would be wiser for him to wait till 2028. I do still refuse to anoint DJT or anyone else in the primary.

          A non incumbent needs a primary to develop his organization and hone their message. Emphasize this issue v the issue. Answer the question this way that makes voters comfortable v the way that for some reason doesn’t connect as well.

          None of that is attacking DJT nor acting as a partisan or surrogate for DeSantis. I have yet to do other than react to others who continue to frame 2024 as Trump’s by divine right, many of whom also frame the mere idea of DeSantis running as treasonous or foolish.

      Massinsanity in reply to Pasadena Phil. | November 9, 2022 at 11:42 am

      Are you always this obtuse? DeSantis went from wining by <1% to almost winning by 20% in 4 years and Rubio dominated as well.

      FL is Red. You haven't been able to say that for decades. Thanks Ron for that.

      Abbott should be considered a candidate for 2024 but all he did last night was hold the line in TX. DeSantis destroyed the opposition.

      SaltyDonnie in reply to Pasadena Phil. | November 9, 2022 at 1:53 pm

      Yep, Trump has his issues fer shure, but yesterday isn’t his fault. Not entirely. You want change id DC, but blanch at harder right wingers. So you do what, default to squish Republicans that are “electable”? Sorry, you have a “fortified” voting system combined with profoundly stupid and ignorant voters made that way from YEARS of govt. mal-education. You can’t have 65% to 70% of the voters say the nation is in jeopardy and “going the wrong way” and then turn and vote in the incumbents back in. There is something foundationally “wrong” there, and you can’t fix that level of stupid (or alternatively, fraud) by running the squish. It will take hard choices and hard candidates, because the pain is coming to us all. For most, pain is the best teacher, and some need more “education” than others. So get ready for at least 2 more years of serious pain.

        henrybowman in reply to SaltyDonnie. | November 9, 2022 at 4:53 pm

        “You can’t have 65% to 70% of the voters say the nation is in jeopardy and “going the wrong way” and then turn and vote in the incumbents back in.”

        You can if they’re naive enough to attribute all the damage to one senile fool, and that man doesn’t happen to be up for re-election this year. Most of these voters couldn’t even name the politicians in the support structure Demento depends on to impose his tyranny on everyone else.

          SaltyDonnie in reply to henrybowman. | November 10, 2022 at 4:30 pm

          No, not all of them are that stupid. If they were, natural selection alone would take them out before they vote in more than a cycle. “Gee, that power outlet shocked me, but THIS one won’t.”

        DeSantis, Lake and Vance ran hard on solid conservative MAGA platforms and leaned into all of the obnoxious questions by reporters and ripped their nuts off. Being squishy trying to sound “moderate” and “reasonable” is a loser. That’s why so many of the candidates lost.

    Whitewall in reply to JohnSmith100. | November 9, 2022 at 8:35 am

    Trump will have no chance to clean out anything. First thing he would need as President is a competent Cabinet of like minded people. Few people of any stripe will work for him in any capacity save maybe some way down the line Agriculture job. An effective Pres needs a Cabinet of team players. Trump won’t get them.

      brightlights in reply to Whitewall. | November 9, 2022 at 2:09 pm

      And the people he would want as ‘yes men’ who will declare that Don is bestest, most wonderfulious person ever. Doesn’t matter if they can do the job, just that they love him.

    gonzotx in reply to JohnSmith100. | November 9, 2022 at 9:43 am

    He doesn’t, he is already bought, just ask Griffin, 200,000,000 is just the beginning

The results are quite disheartening. However, even a one-vote majority in the House can stop the spending train named Joe Biden. Perhaps the House has standing to sue to stop the student loan giveaway. And even a 52-48 Republican majority in the senate would change little–you still need 60 votes for legislation (not to mention a higher vote count to override a veto) and between Collins/Murkowski/Romney and my own Lindsey Graham, Biden would still have received Senate approval of his woke judicial nominees. We need to control the damage in the next two years and move on to 2024.

    That’s the spirit!

    jagibbons in reply to Disgusted. | November 9, 2022 at 8:14 am

    52-48 R majority would ensure the filibuster stays intact. Even 60 votes wouldn’t do it. Would need 67 to override the automatic veto on anything coming from a R House and R Senate.

      Disgusted in reply to jagibbons. | November 9, 2022 at 8:49 am

      If they don’t have the House, why would the Democrats blow up the filibuster? They’ll blow up the filibuster the first time they have the presidency, the house and the senate. If the Republicans have any sense (I know, but this is a hypothetical) and they were able to win the presidency, house and senate in 2024, they should propose a constitutional amendment to make the legislative filibuster permanent. They should also put a 12-month time limit on ratification of such an amendment. If the amendment’s ratified, then we have the filibuster forever. If the amendment isn;’t ratified, on 1/1/2026, the Republicans should blow it up and pass all of their immigration and vote security bills. There’s zero question in my mind that the filibuster will end sooner rather than later–the only issue is which party gets “first mover” advantage to allow unlimited immigration (or not) and permanent vote fraud (or not). Personally, I’m happy to get my ass down to the poll on Election Day and put my thumb in a purple ink bottle. A small price to pay to make sure that my vote counts.

    Massinsanity in reply to Disgusted. | November 9, 2022 at 11:43 am

    We need 51 in the Senate to stop the judges. Maybe more if Romney acts up.

    henrybowman in reply to Disgusted. | November 9, 2022 at 4:54 pm

    “However, even a one-vote majority in the House can stop the spending train named Joe Biden.”
    Nah. The swamp juggernaut still has plenty of squishes in reserve.

Do you believe a majority in Pennsylvania actually voted for the brain-

Do you believe a majority in Arizona actually voted for Hobbs, who ran away from debate, but who was responsible for counting the votes in her own election?

Do you believe that the voters, given their extreme dissatisfaction with the state of the country as it is run by the left, actually returned left to power?

It’s not those who vote that count, it’s those who count the votes–Stalin.

The left has taken over the counting of votes in this Country. They have effectively made it impossible for the counting of the votes to be meaningfully questioned. And we little sheeple are now conditioned to accepting the count as the left reports it.

There will never be another conservative majority returned to office in this country. Never. It won’t be allowed.

    wendybar in reply to Wisewerds. | November 9, 2022 at 7:56 am

    +100

    herm2416 in reply to Wisewerds. | November 9, 2022 at 7:58 am

    I agree, ant the Right in power goes right along with it.

    JHogan in reply to Wisewerds. | November 9, 2022 at 9:14 am

    The Dems mail-in vote operation and rigging gives them at least a 1-2 pt edge almost everywhere they have it in place. They manage to get low info and low IQ voters who normally would not bother to vote to vote D. With a little ‘help’.

    Over time they will refine that vote ‘fortification’ operation to make it a 3-4 pt edge.

    Mail-in voting has got to go.

    That’s something few Americans understand, especially those on the paper ballot bandwagon. You can’t trust those who count the ballots, who aren’t elected or anything, they’re recruited and paid by local officials.

    PrincetonAl in reply to Wisewerds. | November 9, 2022 at 12:13 pm

    Doesn’t matter if DeSantis runs or Trump runs … neither will win if voting is rigged

    We aren’t making progress fast enough and we better be getting behind any opportunity to fix things

    The Governorship in Wisconsin was a prime example of a must-win that got away … if an R gets elected than election integrity can pass

    Look at Colorado. A purple won’t turn red for 20 years if ever … we don’t have to be out there blasting it in the ads but behind close doors every single R in every single state where there is a chance to pass this stuff should be getting it in place. Eventually every state has a moment where Dems can get in and monkey with things.

    Dems also outspent Republicans by $40 million in Secretary of State races …

    This is a key issue that needs focus in every Red state right now …

    The_Mew_Cat in reply to Wisewerds. | November 9, 2022 at 4:04 pm

    Hobbs didn’t need to debate. She had the printer settings on certain machines set wrong.

I wrote “brain-damaged Fetterman” in the first line.

“They need to move on from former President Donald Trump. HOW do they explain sticking with him when Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis destroyed Charlie Crist and won Miami-Dade County?”

I would respectfully disagree.
Trump was out giving rallies and endorsements. He has no power beyond that right now. How many candidates worked as hard? Oz? Mastriano? Dixon? Et al. How many current congressional members were out there campaigning as hard for potential members?
We had designed failure at the leadership level. McConnell, Ryan (essentially running Fox programming with Cavuto), McCarthy, and R. McDaniels. They were withdrawing funding away from MAGA candidates who were pulling away in the polling and actively giving it to RINOs— Murkowski, or doing nothing at all— Lake.

As far as DeSantis, he barely won the last time. Trump pulled him over the line. If he couldn’t win against Crist…….. DeSantis is being groomed by McConnell and Bush. He hit out at the man (Disney) and has seemingly gone rather squishy otherwise. Remember he is a former congressman, he knows the national game. He did an outstanding job vis a vis Ian, but that isn’t politics, it’s about physical survival of the citizenry.

If the PTB have their say, DeS will be the nominee and the media will destroy him as easily has they created the above newspaper headline.

Welcome to President Newsom, he’ll sashay right in.

    Beautiful. Know how this ends well? Trump declares he is running on the 15th. DeSantis and Cruz immediately announce they will honor their pledges to not challenge Trump. Cocaine Turtle hangs himself as Trump goes on the campaign trail attracting bigger and more enthusiastic crowds than ever.

    Massinsanity in reply to herm2416. | November 9, 2022 at 11:48 am

    Trump was out having rallies alright… talking about himself. What a surprise.

    He did a lot of great things and was treated worse than any President in history, but he also left a wake of destruction starting with the GA Senate runoffs in Jan 2021. Al we needed was one win there to block the Biden agenda but it didn’t happen because Trump acted like the narcissistic ass that he is and cared only for himself and not the party/country in that moment.

      That’s what politicians do, especially when candidates are hanging onto their coattails. Why are there so many soybois on these threads? Politics is a bare-knuckle game fought by tough-minded people with big ambitions and big egos. Can’t you guys get past that?

2smartforlibs | November 9, 2022 at 8:03 am

If you supported this left-wing crap may you get what you deserve.

    healthguyfsu in reply to 2smartforlibs. | November 9, 2022 at 3:58 pm

    If you split the more conservative party in half, you also get what you created. 2 lambs and a wolf voting on what’s for dinner.

      henrybowman in reply to healthguyfsu. | November 9, 2022 at 4:59 pm

      I think you blew that analogy.

        Dathurtz in reply to henrybowman. | November 9, 2022 at 6:23 pm

        I think he very cleverly demonstrates that voting is useless when a significant power difference exists. The two lambs can vote, but the wolf will eat them anyways because it just ignores the vote and kills them anyways.

Team Red is in a tough spot.

1) some losses were bad candidates, like Oz, in a state where voting is not a fair game. (Dems absolutely ballot stuff and the convictions are there to prove it in PA but not enough to stop it)

2) it’s not all bad candidates – because plenty of good ones for the House lost. Some because of ballot stuffing, some because voters aren’t moved, and i don’t know why – it’s not all ballot stuffing

3) Trump galvanized the blue collar working party vote but turned off another set and that is causing issues. Not just anyone can step in and appeal to that coalition effectively. We need to focus on the best candidate at a local level who can win. Getting ready of RINOs in a deep red state is good … I will take whatever I can get from a blue state …

4) we must win to reset some of the voting practices in PA, AZ, NV, WI to reduce ballot stuffing and ballot harvesting with a win at the SOS and Gov levels – we lost a huge chance to do that in Wisconsin …. Unlimited Vote by mail is corrupt and will end the republic … we must focus on critical races better. Maybe more effort in WI Gov was a missed opportunity to help win that state in 2024

5) DeSantis did great in Florida and has solidified the voting system … he is a warrior for the right like Trump with better staff selection and better execution at the state level … but he had a charisma gap as well

Look how close the first race was against Gillum, a fraudulent huckster with hooked on drugs and parties with who knows who … his initial efforts barely did it. When not well known to an audience he is challenged … his move to a national stage will have that issue. People under estimate how well Trump used the media to get elected in 2016

I used to live in S Florida, and the Dems I know that support DeSantis at the state level do so because of how he performed in office but still aren’t R supporters (although there wasnt much split between Rubio and DeSantis) … he worked hard to earn the votes … I dont know how he gets there nationally … it will not be easy

DeSantis has been better on personnel and tactics than Trump, who has inspired moments like backing Kari Lake and is better at marketing and big rallys but has more bad advisors and more decisions driven by grudges (like Oz) and too much deference to Fauci and the like. DeSantis bucked Trump on that and was a winner as a result

Republican infighting will kill us … I still think DeSantis needs to prove himself outside of Florida in the swing states of the rust belt … Trump played well with blue collar men

We all owe him a tremendous thanks for the 2016 victory and revealing the level of corruption in the deep state. He was robbed in 2020

But ultimately we need one to step aside and not go scorched earth and help lead to victory in 2024.

And we have to stand United in what is truly awful level of corruption in voting, media and deep state tactics. Any candidate will face that going forward in Blue states and national level.

It’s a huge hill to climb and we didn’t get the job done in the 2022 election. We all have to try harder or we won’t be able to vote our way out of the mess we are in.

    All of the above. I would add that lots of blue states are winnable but Republicans (except Trump) don’t campaign in the inner cities. Just look at NY. How many counties did Zeldin win by 70-80%+ margins? NY is a mostly conservative state. So is NH. And CA is not the bluest state in the country by far either. In blue states where Republicans won, they campaigned in the big population center cities. Parading Trump through those cities in the campaigns for 2024 could be the factor that turns this around.

    I love DeSantis but he is still just a FL phenomenon. He really doesn’t have the charisma nor the national presence to win this fight. He needs to stick to the plan for 2024 and ride Trump’s coattails for a few more years or his political career just peaked. Four more years of Trump would clear the decks for him to run in 2028. The alternative is to screw it all up for everyone.

      PrincetonAl in reply to Pasadena Phil. | November 9, 2022 at 8:39 am

      I agree 100% with the campaign for every vote. Moving a few percentage points in the inner city moves more than those votes.

      It also moves independent votes in the suburbs because they see that the candidate isn’t partisan and is fighting for everyone

      It’s about getting out all the votes.

      I will start with myself. I could have given more, canvassed more. Would it have changed things in my state? Not this time.

      But maybe next time. I’m not gonna leave it to chance.

      This is a wake up call.

      I tend to agree. As for New York being a conservative state, that is true of some 90% of the nation. Democrats get their votes in inner cities and in certain black belts in Southern states (along the Mississippi in that state and in SW Alabama for instance) and in Indian reservations. I live in a “diverse” county in Texas. “We” just reelected an Indian immigrant as county judge. I don’t know what happened in Harris county but they probably reelected a Columbian-Mexican immigrant judge. At least we kept a good conservative Republican in the House.

      DeSantis didn’t merely win Florida, he destroyed his opposition – despite all the millions poured into defeating him, along with media forces across the nation who decided it was time to pin a target on his back – by margins far beyond most expectations.

      He prepped for and oversaw the terrific response to Ian, and he increased his clout in a situation that would have undone the political hopes of many (if not most) conservative candidates. And don’t doubt that people around the nation noticed.

      Doesn’t have charisma or a national presence? Tell that to the Democrat operatives who already are scared s__tless of him. Or to the voters – many of them lifelong democrats – who flocked to the polls in the Sunshine State to deliver the most lopsided win in a gubernatorial election there since 1982.

      Sorry, Phil, that you can’t disengage your lips long enough from Donald’s posterior to understand or admit it, but more and more conservatives – especially after last night – are looking for someone who will fight for them without constantly debasing himself with childish cheap-shots (such as “DeSanctimonious”). But if you still insist on throwing all your support behind a guy whose “clout” now fizzles in statewide general elections, and who can’t stand to have the focus off him for a moment, even when it only serves to harm the party he professes to support, then Trump’s definitely your man.

        How about people like you who only find it offensive for Trump to call people names? Have you not noticed that Trump is a counter puncher not an instigator? You Trump haters are so easy to dupe. You are being played by the Uniparty and doing most of their work. You are damaging DeSantis’ chances by forcing him into the fray before he is ready and before it is his time.

        Let me give you an example of something that might very well trip him up. He has a war chest of over $200 million which he collected from several unnamed billionaires. Let’s ask him what he promised them for that money. We KNOW Trump isn’t compromised. Is DeSantis? He could waltz into the White House soon enough just riding Trump’s coattails. Why is he in such a hurry? Find out for me would you? That’s a good boy.

          Boy, Phil, you really excel at slinging out labels without having a clue as to the political philosophies or preferences of those you attack.

          Actually, I do prefer counter-punching to just sitting and taking it, as we saw GWB and others do all too often.

          Unfortunately the object of your adoration initiates or instigates it far too often. And too often when responding to a slight, he does so in a knee-jerk fashion without considering a better way to counter, which often does him more damage than good.

          Having the political sense of knowing when and how to parry and counter, or when to just laugh or shrug off a poorly-aimed slight, is a valuable trait – something that DeSantis has done well in the instances I’ve seen. And it’s a far cry from being so thin-skinned that you can’t laugh off or shrug off the most insignificant of slights without barking back immediately, and far too often making an ass of yourself for having done so.

      healthguyfsu in reply to Pasadena Phil. | November 9, 2022 at 4:00 pm

      Land doesn’t vote…people do (and sometimes dead people)

      You can’t count the “majority” by the land they occupy. You have to count heads. This is obvious kindergarten-level stuff.

Ill take a Republican controlled Congress and an evenly split congress as a good result. Was it the best result, well obviously not BUT a slender congressional majority is still a fantastic result if for no other reason than to bring an end to Democrat committee control. AAAAAAND that is a great result!

Clearly more work needed to combat Democrats lead for mail in votes and I will take my hat off to Democrats for playing the long game and heading down that path because that strategy is working for them.

Do I like it? Absolutely not BUT I can hate something while at the same time respecting the time and effort Democrats have put in to ensuring they maintain control of power!

    That only works if McCarthy follows through on his promises. A big “if”, especially if Trump isn’t there to keep him honest by flaming his ass.

      henrybowman in reply to Pasadena Phil. | November 9, 2022 at 6:29 pm

      See, THAT’S the sort of value Trump can add to this process, without even being elected to anything.

        CommoChief in reply to henrybowman. | November 9, 2022 at 6:47 pm

        Yes indeed. DJT can absolutely provide some outside motivation to McCarthy and McConnell even out of office. Riding herd on those two would be time well spent. No question DJT is in a position to that more effectively than anybody else.

    The_Mew_Cat in reply to mailman. | November 9, 2022 at 4:01 pm

    I don’t know we have any kind of majority in either House. The House tallies won’t be finished for 3-4 weeks in CA. The Senate will be decided by GA runoff again in the best case scenario. And if we do get a House majority of 1 or 2 seats, the House will flip every time there are vacancies. There is already a vacancy since a dead Dem got elected in PA.

      Bongino made a good argument this morning explaining how a small Republican majority works out better for the Freedom Caucus than were the majority large. It would make the FC vote much more influential if the Speaker wanted to get any bills passed. For that to be better would require that the bigger majority was made up of more conservatives. There are all kinds of ways to look at this and some of them are counter-intuitive.

I mean evenly split SENATE!!

Otto Kringelein | November 9, 2022 at 8:23 am

The Senate could end up at 50/50 again. The GOP’s House majority will be small.

Gee, what a surprise. NOT! Only the republican party could take what was supposed to be a “Red Tsunami” and turn it into pissing into the wind and giving democrats control of the Senate. And enough RINOs in the House to make any republican majority no matter how “slim” pointless. The RINOs will give democrats everything they demand – and more. There is NO good spin on this midterm election. None. What. So. Ever. Face it folks, the republicans worked hard to lose the 2022 midterm election. Our national nightmare is far from over. The Republic is dead! Long live the Republic!

    The_Mew_Cat in reply to Otto Kringelein. | November 9, 2022 at 3:58 pm

    There was a red wave in 2021 in the few states that had elections. The 2022 wave was cancelled. Why? The only thing that changed in 1 year was Dobbs. To deny this is to deny reality.

Everyone who is angry that Trump was treated unfairly, that the establishment was out to get him, that the Democrats plotted against him repeatedly and basically engaged in repeated treasonous behavior, that the media lied, that social media poisoned political discourse, that there was duplicity at every level, and that the FBI and the DoJ attacked him now going on 6 or 7 years, you are all correct. I agree. But the fact remains that more than 50% of voters are NOT going to vote for DJT. You have to face that fact. And you have to find a candidate that more than 50% of voters are going to vote for. Your alternative is defeat.

    Danny in reply to Stuytown. | November 9, 2022 at 11:25 am

    I couldn’t agree more.

    SaltyDonnie in reply to Stuytown. | November 9, 2022 at 1:58 pm

    So if the voters want Socialist Santa Clause, do you run him? If so, then you are admitting that voting won’t solve our problems and avoid national collapse. Because it won’t.

    healthguyfsu in reply to Stuytown. | November 9, 2022 at 4:02 pm

    Yes exactly, why people can’t put on their big girl panties and recognize what the grown ups are talking about is beyond me.

    You don’t KNOW that. You are again forming an important opinion based on polling. The biggest challenge for Trump is that the unaffiliated independents that voted for him don’t get a say in these polls. Start with the Venn Diagrams that show Trump’s constituency. Lots and lots of independents and we are never polled.

      CommoChief in reply to Pasadena Phil. | November 9, 2022 at 8:26 pm

      Wouldn’t the appeal of DJT among these groups have shown up in the election results for the candidates he endorsed in the Statewide races?

      I don’t argue that DJT doesn’t give a boost in some areas and appeal to some voters. He absolutely does. There is a flip side though where some voters don’t want anything to do with DJT or anyone associated with him.

Florida and Texas are the scripts to follow. I live in Texas and all state offices were swept by republicans (gov, lt. Gov, AG, etc) by at least 10 points. Trump was not a factor in picking candidates nor supporting them. Other than some very basic lip-service, none of the key folks that won mentioned trump.

On the other hand, Flores, and a few others that were Steve Bannon/Trump acolytes for the house lost.

This is the model. . .Trump is interesting and entertaining but this election shows that he is harmful going forward.

    SeiteiSouther in reply to lancebaby. | November 9, 2022 at 10:16 am

    Here in Louisiana, Kennedy got 60% of the vote (it would have been higher without the other jillion candidates), and Scalise got 80%. Scalise is going nowhere, unless he wants to. I knew for a fact that my state’s midterms would not change.

    With regards to the rest of the country, it seems like they like to bitch how badly everything is going, but refuse to vote to make that change.

    Enjoy what you voted for.

    henrybowman in reply to lancebaby. | November 9, 2022 at 6:32 pm

    I’m still aghast that Arizona wasn’t one of the scripts to follow.
    Lake was a fire-breathing juggernaut, and Hobbs, who campaigned for her basement, actively RAN AWAY from reporters.
    Shit, maybe Biden was onto something.

Definition of RINO on LI:

(a) Someone who doesn’t agree with me; or
(b) Someone who doesn’t agree with DJT.

If you’re wondering who’s killing the Republican Party, look in the mirror.

    gonzotx in reply to Stuytown. | November 9, 2022 at 9:57 am

    McConnell is the one you ALL
    Should be aiming your arrows at. Trump candidates won 107/9 yesterday, some still undecided

    The RINOs spit the party, not Trump. He’s the only one working his butt off for the party.

    There is no Republican Party without trump, they are globalists at best!

    No Trump, no party!

      The RINOs would rather lose and have someone to blame than win. They will never understand that Trump is THE ONE who united the sensible disgruntled former Dem/Rep voters into a contiguous and effective voting bloc. As Mark “Slash” Levin often says, “Trump is the most effective conservative president the country ever had”. Republicans prefer squish neocons. That’s why I am not a Republican.

        In my experience, GOPe will lose the race if an upstart R is running knowing they can run against the D next time rather than unseating the upstart R. Watch the funding from DC and learn how the game is played. Vote harder doesn’t always work but that’s our best play against the establishment.

      healthguyfsu in reply to gonzotx. | November 9, 2022 at 11:06 am

      An imperfect but suitable analogy to your bullshit scoreboard would be winning for 3 quarters of a football game but losing the 4th then trying to claim a dominant victory.

    rungrandpa in reply to Stuytown. | November 9, 2022 at 10:20 am

    RINO’s are Republicans endorsing Democrats and not supporting fellow Republicans in their own state.

E Howard Hunt | November 9, 2022 at 8:39 am

If Republicans would run serious, accomplished men instead of a circus of celebrities, used up athletes and former weather girls results would be different.

    PrincetonAl in reply to E Howard Hunt. | November 9, 2022 at 8:47 am

    Oz was not a good candidate. I backed him 100% but it sucked to back him and Trump shouldn’t have meddled. Trump was wrong on this one – and he was talked into it supposedly by his “advisors” eg his family. He needs to learn from his mistakes.

    Walker was not a good candidate but I backed him 100% and if we all pull together he could win the runoff. But we would have been better off with someone who was a more studied and serious candidate without a doubt. Even if he wins he will be vulnerable to losing in the future. But keep working on GA while we still can.

    I stand by Lake. I think she is a good candidate and she may win and I think represents the kind of candidate worth rolling the dice on because she will have a huge positive impact if she wins.

    Keep in mind plenty of quality candidates lost too at the House level. It takes focus on everything – good candidates, fighting for fair elections all the time, ongoing efforts to organize and getting out the vote.

    And that includes in the primaries, where the Dems are spending millions to influence candidate selection.

      Trump will never learn from his mistakes–he is to narcissistic for that. He served an important purpose at an important time, but that time has passed. There is a deep and irreversible hatred for Trump among the entire electorate that he can’t grasp because he sees only the adoring minority at rallies, etc. Don’t forget that the Senate looks at this point much more favorable in 2024. Don’t be surprised if Manchin is a Republican by then.

        henrybowman in reply to Obie1. | November 9, 2022 at 5:11 pm

        “he can’t grasp because he sees only the adoring minority at rallies”
        I see his rallies and I see Brandon’s, and my only reaction is, WTF??

      All of the options in PA were awful but PA was important. Trump put Oz into the race. Trump is the only reason the race was close.

I wondered if all of the talk about a Red Wave in the last two weeks or so might motivate D turnout. Someone will crunch the numbers and opine on that, I’m sure.

Man, what a disappointment.

I’d say Trafalger is a big loser here. Not sure how anyone will trust their polling again.

Tweedledee vs Tweedledum, with the exception of a few brave souls like Rand Paul and Tulsi Gabbard who reject the imperialist foreign policy of the US that has brought us to the brink of economic collapse and WW3.

We are the serfs slaving away for the political parasites who own our pocketbooks. What is voting except a change of the guard, for different wolves in sheep’s clothing?

“A threat to Democracy”? This is our much ballyhooed Democracy in action with Joe Biden as the current Poster Boy.

Biggest issue is still mail-in ballots and ballot harvesting and ballot stuffing.

We can’t ban it, let’s at least make ballot box access equity an issue and setup mobile voting booths that we can drive around to every rural home and collect every vote that way lol

    Olinser in reply to PrincetonAl. | November 9, 2022 at 11:58 am

    Exactly. It’s utterly INSANE that people think it’s ‘normal’ that the Democrat is starting with hundreds of thousands of votes over the Republican before any votes have actually been counted.

    All the people BSing about ‘well its tougher to cheat because we’ll have people at polling stations’.

    HELLO MORONS

    THE CHEAT ALREADY HAPPENED BEFORE ELECTION DAY

      r2468 in reply to Olinser. | November 9, 2022 at 5:20 pm

      There is a process that begins with expanding the voter rolls. That way the Drop box absentee ballots can be assigned to people already registered. Democrats believe they can’t lose if all their voters cast a ballot. This is their way of making that happen. They will even give you $10 for your ballot and vote for you. That’s a win win for Ds.

So the GOP did not win one highly contested Blue state race, yet Dems got destroyed wherever there was proper bi-partisan monitored election security. Imagine that.

Here’s a Pennsylvania election official caught by Project Veritas on hidden video illegally instructing people to vote Dem throughout the ballot. This same official has a heavy Chinese accent, as if she just flew in from CCP headquarters. Incredible.

There are no good reasons to have anything but paper ballots. France banned machines. They count everything in a day. We can crash a satellite into an asteroid but we can’t get our elections down because the Left needs to cheat. No way to be convinced differently.

https://truthsocial.com/users/ProjectVeritasAction/statuses/109312195567887057

Now What? Well as history indicates, once in decline a country rarely has the insight to stop that decline. We saw that last night. Perhaps it can be slowed down a bit , but even that will be a task. Last night gives us a roadmap of the days ahead, more inflation or a crushing recession, more crime, more misery. Prepare, if you have religious inclinations, pray.

So evidently people who voted for Dems in 2020 and who are concerned about the economy, inflation, illegal immigration, and rising crime don’t blame Dems for it and think they can do a better job than the GOP.

Also, though Biden;s approval rating is about 40%, or lower, they didn’t let that keep them from voting D.

Does this make any sense to anyone?

One more thing to consider… The GOP ‘leadership’ showed zero leadership in offering an alternative to the voters. They relied on people to vote for Rs out of dissatisfaction with the last two years. But that didn’t happen. People are unhappy and yet few votes changed from 2020 in the Rs favor. People voted for the status quo. So voters may be unhappy but don’t think voting R will change thinks for the better.

While I’m not happy with GOP leadership either, this still doesn’t make sense.

    robertthomason in reply to JHogan. | November 9, 2022 at 9:41 am

    You are totally and completely on target.

    CommoChief in reply to JHogan. | November 9, 2022 at 11:54 am

    The single issue abortion voters showed up. Sometimes we forget how passionate they are, analogous to the single issue 2nd amendment voters among r.

    McCarthy fumbled the ball. He proclaimed that the HoR would pass a Nationwide abortion law. Criminally stupid. The Dobbs decision muted the issue by sending the decision back to the States.

    IMO, that’s where abortion and many other cultural issues belong, in the hands of the States. Embracing Federalism and letting States decide is way better. We don’t want this Congress passing a law today we like but a future d/prog Congress passing one we don’t.

    Let Mississippi be Mississippi and let Massachusetts be Massachusetts. Keep Congress out of our State level decisions.

    SaltyDonnie in reply to JHogan. | November 9, 2022 at 2:04 pm

    “The GOP ‘leadership’ showed zero leadership in offering an alternative to the voters. They relied on people to vote for Rs out of dissatisfaction with the last two years.” This is EXACTLY what the GOP always does. There are not two parties; there is one, and the GOP is there to “act” as a “designated competition” to the Dems. The Dems push the county in one direction, the GOP acts as a governor on them. But the GOP never changes the nation’s direction, even when behind the wheel. This is why Trump was such a splash – he revealed the scam by being an “alternative”, and by forcing the GOP to be one, kicking and screaming. Assuming DeSantis is “like Trump” in that regard, the same backlash will happen to him.

“The Republicans still need to do better. How have they failed a lot since 2010? I don’t get it.”

The obvious answer is because a large portion of U.S. citizens are morons who like promises of free stuff that other people actually pay for. Then there are the issues with GOP candidates pussy footing around with their words and actions instead of calling Dems out for their obvious faults and stupid policies. In the end many are just easily swayed by misinformation and their need to prove how much more virtuous they are than the next person, instead of actually trying to fix issues, they prefer to make everyone feel good about themselves.

    henrybowman in reply to Chewbacca. | November 9, 2022 at 5:22 pm

    “The obvious answer is because a large portion of U.S. citizens are morons who like promises of free stuff that other people actually pay for.”
    Not to leave out the portion of US citizens that survive only because of all the free stuff they ALREADY get, and don’t want to risk the creek drying up.

Republicans will always lose if they want good candidates. Dems never have good candidates and they win. Any candidate that bucks the status quo will be tarnished by both sides as unsuitable. The GOP, not just the GOPe, actively fought against the R’s and endorsed the D’s in my state, and has been doing so for decades anytime an upstart wins a primary. All the talk of Trump, Oz whoever is BS. Unless upsetting people are elected in large numbers and supported, the status quo won’t be upset.

Republicans simply do not know how to win. I predicted this two weeks ago when Newt Gingrich was mouthing off about a red wave. Why do that on a national stage and motivate the opposition, resulting in a weak win that the media will play up as a Dem victory? Just plain stupid tactics.

If all states had elections as secure as Florida, not a single democrat would have won.

I know, these are multi-variate equations, and candidate quality, and funding, both matter, but the margin of failure is less than the margin of cheating.

Fix Cheating First.

Trump’s going to have to step aside and let the next generation of conservatives fight. The damage that was done to him has circulated through the system and it has polarized to an irreparable state. In fact, he shouldn’t wait until November 15th to make any announcement, he should say he is not running for anything else and will help whatever candidate gets the GOP nomination.

    healthguyfsu in reply to chrisboltssr. | November 9, 2022 at 10:41 am

    Thank you for seeing the light and you deserve a million upvotes for just being adaptable in your thinking and reading the lay of the land! Trump still has value to provide but his death pact zealots won’t even allow that possibility….case in point with Phil’s wishcasting rants on here. All of it is fact and evidence-free and made up on the fly.

    CommoChief in reply to chrisboltssr. | November 9, 2022 at 11:58 am

    Well maybe. I am willing to give the man the opportunity to earn my primary vote and I will support the nominee.

    One thing is for damn sure; when the day comes and DJT isn’t on the ballot we will find out if the Only Trump folks will support the populist right and r in general or if they melt away because their devotion was to a man and not the movement.

    I have my doubts they will stick around.

    SaltyDonnie in reply to chrisboltssr. | November 9, 2022 at 2:07 pm

    Mitch McConnell read your post and smiled from ear to ear: “Welcome back to the GOP Establishment, my friend! We were always here for you. Don’t forget your donation. What’s that ya say, curb inflation? Sorry my good man, that’s not the hill to die on…”.

I just want to know how much fraud brought about these results!

    gonzotx in reply to Molodoc. | November 9, 2022 at 10:03 am

    Plenty , just ask Fetterman hump

    JHogan in reply to Molodoc. | November 9, 2022 at 10:26 am

    1-2 % is all it takes. And that is easily achievable through the Dems’ ‘vote fortification’ operation — mass mailing of ballots to anyone with an address and subsequent ‘harvesting’ by Dem activists.

    My guess is in big Dem controlled high crime cities they even enlist gang leaders to do some of the ‘harvesting’ in their neighborhoods. When a gang member comes to someone’s door to collect the ballot and asks if you voted Dem, guess what happens.

    The Dem party is a criminal enterprise. Gangs are their natural allies. Especially in big cities they control.

      The_Mew_Cat in reply to JHogan. | November 9, 2022 at 3:51 pm

      Vote fortification only works in very close contests, but Dobbs made them close. Dobbs is the only rational explanation as to why there was a red wave in 2021, but not in 2022.

        CommoChief in reply to The_Mew_Cat. | November 9, 2022 at 6:55 pm

        IMO that’s on McCarthy for promising federal legislation on abortion. That spooked the single issue abortion voters into turning out right after they had figured out Dobbs returned the issue to the States and that in their blue State it wasn’t going be an issue. Instead of letting sleeping dogs lie he poked them with a stick. Stupid.

    That question is not only verboten, but RINOs are now the enforcers for the Democrats.

I offer two possibly explanations for these otherwise inexplicable results:

1) Pollsters are completely inept when surveying likely voters, and they seem to be getting worse with every election.
2) Some organized Ds have begun lying to pollsters, claiming that they intend to vote R when in fact they don’t, giving the false impression of R strength that may not actually exist.  This shady tactic aligns with Ds having been known to donate to some R primary candidates who appeared easiest to beat in the general election.

It’s clear that mail-voting, early voting, and possibly voting machines are part of the explanation, but I suspect there’s some subterfuge at work here.

    healthguyfsu in reply to [email protected]. | November 9, 2022 at 10:44 am

    Nope. Go to the non partisan sites and you can see that the polls were largely right this time (five thirtyeight for example). The right leaning polls were askew but we are guilty of wishcasting by following those blindly.

I see the anti-Trump crowd is already ‘pouncing’ on Trump and blaming him. So predictable. And intellectually lazy.

So we need more McConnells and McCarthys and more Romneys running? Is that it? Really?

If so, count me out. I’ll never vote GOPe again. Never. That’s how we got to where we are. We will not get out of it by voting GOPe. That is, if it’s still possible to vote our way out of this. Which I doubt.

If voters voting D continue to vote D, when the economy is falling apart, high inflation continues, crime continues to explode, and millions of illegals are allowed to cross the border and live here every year, if voters do not wake up, This country will continue to Balkanize. Eventually the separation will become official — one way or another, peacefully or otherwise.

    gonzotx in reply to JHogan. | November 9, 2022 at 10:38 am

    Correct

    healthguyfsu in reply to JHogan. | November 9, 2022 at 10:47 am

    Wrong. We recognize what Trump did once and also are reading the data objectively now to see that his time and popularity nationally are long past. It’s time for your side of this to recognize the need to adapt.

    Throwing name calling tantrums and throwing out false dichotomies (as if any conservative wants a Romney) are unproductive and inaccurate.

      Don’t tell me what it’s time for me to do. You will not get my vote that way.

      I’m not an R. I’m an independent. I’ve never voted D. I’ve voted R, usually for the lesser of two evils. Or didn’t vote — sat it out. Once I voted third party — Libertarian.

      The GOP has betrayed me over and over. I won’t vote for the lesser of two evils ever again. Give me a good nominee or I won’t vote at all.

      I sat out 2016. Trump, warts and all, was a big surprise. I thought he was just another rich Republican on an ego trip. He turned out to be a more conservative president than any other in my lifetime, except maybe Reagan. And he was a fighter. Not the usual McClellan RINO who talks a good game but does nothing. Or even worse, makes deals with the enemy.

      I voted for Trump in 2020. Would do so again in a heartbeat. No GOP POTUS candidate has ever come close to his vote total in 2020. And I don’t think Biden is a legitimate president.

      The problem is not Trump. The problem is Dem ‘vote fortification’. They are rigging elections.

      Turning on Trump will not fix that. The Dems want the GOP to turn on Trump. And if the GOP tosses him aside it will almost certainly lose much worse than it lost in 2018 and 2020.

      I will probably not vote for a GOP that dumps Trump. And I don’t care what you think or say about that.

        wendybar in reply to JHogan. | November 9, 2022 at 11:58 am

        Hear!! Hear!!!!

        CommoChief in reply to JHogan. | November 9, 2022 at 12:03 pm

        Can you explain the difference in performance between statewide candidates in the same State? OH with DeWine running way ahead of Vance and GA with Kemp running about 4+ PT ahead of Walker?

        Vote fortification and ballot shenanigans wouldn’t account for it in any straight forward manner IMO.

          The_Mew_Cat in reply to CommoChief. | November 9, 2022 at 3:46 pm

          Federal races v State races. People have different interests in these contests. Fear of a national abortion ban probably colored the Federal races quite a bit. Affluent suburbanites don’t mind driving to the next state or two for an abortion, but draw the line at international travel.

          CommoChief in reply to CommoChief. | November 9, 2022 at 8:36 pm

          Agreed. However his argument was about d/prog shenanigans being the determining factor which wouldn’t explain the difference in number of votes between two statewide r candidates.

          Another difference is the candidate themselves. Some are better at retail politics. Some have less baggage. Some the voters simply didn’t like or maybe didn’t trust as much.

          Whatever it was in OH and GA it wasn’t shenanigans that caused the r Sen candidate to under perform the r Gov candidate.

        Dagwood in reply to JHogan. | November 9, 2022 at 12:04 pm

        Attaboy. Threaten to take your ball and go home if the object of your worship doesn’t get the nomination next time.

          SaltyDonnie in reply to Dagwood. | November 9, 2022 at 2:09 pm

          You don’t own his vote. Gee, this sounds like GOP Establishment all over again – “vote for us or else!”

        SaltyDonnie in reply to JHogan. | November 9, 2022 at 2:08 pm

        Amen, brother from another mother.

        healthguyfsu in reply to JHogan. | November 9, 2022 at 4:05 pm

        Waaaah Don’t tell me what to do…..Grow up.

        I am also an independent. You don’t have to listen to me or anyone…we can just keep losing instead. Fun times.

        henrybowman in reply to JHogan. | November 9, 2022 at 6:42 pm

        “The GOP has betrayed me over and over. I won’t vote for the lesser of two evils ever again. Give me a good nominee or I won’t vote at all.”

        And there you have the Catch-22.
        You can vote for the D, who has a mathematical chance of winning.
        You can vote for a RINO, who has a mathematical chance of winning.
        If there is a principled R, the RINOs will primary him, and if foiled, will undercut his finances so he won’t win.
        You can vote for a non-R, which is worth virtue-signal points only.
        Or you can not vote, which removes a principled voter from the system.
        And eventually you get fitted for slave shackles, because this ratchet turns only one way.

          SaltyDonnie in reply to henrybowman. | November 10, 2022 at 4:38 pm

          Its not a catch-22. Elections are simply not the answer anymore. There are other answers. To quote Clubber Lang, “My prediction? Pain.”

I was wrong, this is the number so far of Trump candidates last night!

174-9 win.

    healthguyfsu in reply to gonzotx. | November 9, 2022 at 10:48 am

    Maybe in la la land. Trump’s endorsement was a ringing failure in the battlegrounds where it mattered most.

    Stuytown in reply to gonzotx. | November 9, 2022 at 11:51 am

    I picked Tom Brady’s team to win the Super Bowl six times at halftime. I lost when I picked Atlanta, which was up 28-3. So I guess my record is 6-1.

    CommoChief in reply to gonzotx. | November 9, 2022 at 12:38 pm

    Care to show the numbers for the Senate and Gov races as standalone? How about the open (no incumbent) HoR?

    Including the HoR with incumbents is not helpful to the cause. Incumbent win over 95%. Gerrymandering basically allows the politicians to create their electorate. Add in the power of incumbency and the only HoR races that matter are the open seats with no incumbent in the CD.

Fat_Freddys_Cat | November 9, 2022 at 10:38 am

The one bit of good news for Republicans is that Democrats really think they did a fantastic job and will thus double down on the crazy shit they’ve been doing. If the Republicans can pull their heads out of their asses they’ll have a real opportunity in 2024. Heh, if.

Comforting myths cost us the 2022 midterms, could easily cost us the runoff assuming it happens, and could then cost us 2024. They need to die before they genuinely make the United States a one party state.

Trump was a liability, we picked candidates the Democrats spent millions of dollars and endless campaign hours to back, failed to capitalize on social issues by not coming across as competent with the candidates we chose, and for some candidates a built in part of the message was your vote doesn’t count in this state.

We need more Kemp, and more DeSantis types and fewer Mastriano, Bolduc types.

So we’re supposed to believe with food and energy prices going through the roof and EVERY poll showing over 70% of Americans being unhappy with the direction of the country that the Dems were not crushed at the polls? We also have to believe that the economy – “The Economy Stupid” – is no longer is THE major factor in national elections. EVERY poll showing Lake destroying Hobbs, just not in actual votes? Kemp crushing Abrams but the people voting for him voted for Warnock over Walker? The Dems had 2 years to perfect committing fraud without the ham-handed late-night ballot dumps and the vote-switching screen graphics of 2020. And, at this point, I can’t even say it’s not the Dems working with the leading Rinos to divvy up the government while cancelling any MAGA candidates. Until we become better at preventing fraud – or have someone high-up in the cabal expose it – we will never win in free and fair elections. We will be given seats across the country in order to give the appearance of free and fair elections, but never enough to change the course we’re currently on. Maybe I’ve turned into a Conspiracy Kook. Never been one and don’t feel like one, but…

    Obviously, the deep state has perfected electing themselves with a result completely disconnected from the issues and the mood of the electorate.

    We don’t have free and fair elections if there is electoral fraud going on. The 240,000 unsolicited ballots sent out in Pennsylvania with some being received in Canada are a problem. The problems with voting machines in Maricopa County, AZ that Katie Hobbs apparently said were not really a problem but affected about 25% of the votes; and the issues were reported to be all in Conservative/Republican heavy areas. The Democrats cannot win on merit which they despise anyway but only by misconduct.

    CommoChief in reply to jepcop. | November 9, 2022 at 12:12 pm

    IMO it boils down to trusting the candidate. The voters didn’t like some of our statewide candidates despite agreement with their overall message. They liked the message nut not the messenger.

    The party leaders effed this up. Senator Rick Scott, FL put out a plan for what to do when r won. McConnell took a dump on it. McCarthy made no real effort to create a broad plan of action either. He did manage to fire up the single issue abortion voters by declaring the R would pass a national abortion law.

    The opportunity was there. We squandered it by not adopting a ‘contract’with voters IMO as to what we would actually DO to Fix the problems. Instead the campaign was basically don’t vote for d/prog because there are lots of problems. We didn’t do much beyond pointing out the problems and that cost us. No unifying program.

        CommoChief in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | November 9, 2022 at 12:47 pm

        I’m aware of that very much too little, too late tepid attempt that got zero play v Gingrich’s Contract. McCarthy was criticized into offering that up in late September for goodness sake. It was an effort at CYA in my opinion.

        How often did candidates bring up the McCarthy’s document? How many candidates were lining up to sign it? How many races was the thing an issue? How much coverage did the media give it?

        It wasn’t a factor. It was CYA by McCarthy. He didn’t want a unifying theme. Just as McConnell took a dump on Sen Scott plan. Both of them were content to let the d/prog lose v trying to galvanize and mobilize the voters.

        Playing not to lose was a mistake.

          Not disagreeing, just linking. 🙂 And he actually laid it out in April: https://www.foxnews.com/media/mccarthy-contract-commitment-to-america No idea why they didn’t do anything with it, they probably figured they didn’t need it or just shrugged when it didn’t take off on right media. Who knows? But they did have a contract with America type thing, so saying they didn’t isn’t quite correct.

          CommoChief in reply to CommoChief. | November 9, 2022 at 1:17 pm

          No worries. McCarthy is very risk adverse. We had an opportunity to build a theme about solutions to the problems and our leadership punted.

          Sure they had one. Was it a factor is the point I am making. I have a list of lots of things to do but it’s in an old notebook in a drawer. I didn’t emphasize the things on the list so having a piece of paper with a list didn’t really matter, just like here.

          And for the record I didn’t say he didn’t have a list. I said McCarthy made no real effort to create a broad plan of action. I thought the PR aspects and winning up support and promising voters in manner as to attempt to nationalize the midterm was clear.

          My bad. Rephrase – McCarthy created a list but didn’t barnstorm it or hold big PR signing events for candidates. It simply existed, likely as an excuse for McCarthy to say ‘hey, don’t look at me, I made a list and everything’.

          Rick Scott did one, too. It also got filed in the circular filing cabinet.

          CommoChief in reply to CommoChief. | November 9, 2022 at 7:16 pm

          The one Scott put out is the one that I referred to in the original post as being ‘shit on by McConnell’.

          The leadership wanted to play a less aggressive strategy and wouldn’t offer genuine support to any effort to nationalize the election. Instead they chose to be passive and hope voters pulled the R lever.

    The_Mew_Cat in reply to jepcop. | November 9, 2022 at 3:41 pm

    The polls were obviously wrong, probably because of non-response, and polls may not properly capture those who vote early. Apparently, the loss of abortion rights angered a significant number of people who would otherwise be willing to vote Republican. Those people either voted Dem or stayed home, and that was enough. Just compare the Virginia red wave of 2021 to the 2022 election. The only thing that changed in 1 year is Dobbs.

De Santis understands that the art of politics is building a coalition of conservatives concerned about many issues that will attract independent voters and moderate Democrats Trump is a narcissistic liability who has no coattails and is interested solely in revenge for 2020 De Santis would demolish any Democrat in debates and clearly has fought the woke agenda and its enablers and apologists

    I think it’s foolish to believe that if DeSantis were the candidate that there would magically be no wide-spread fraud being committed. They would do the same to him. What they’re trying to do now – the Dems and the Rinos – is to get everyone to believe that Trump is not the right 2024 candidate for us. If they get enough people to believe what you believe, then DeSantis gets routed in the next election because they’ve taken Trump out and destroyed an actual movement against the career politicians. They always go after the largest threat. Trump is the largest threat and both the Dems and the Rinos want him gone because his base is the largest base in the country. Like the “Covid Theater”, don’t believe what they’re trying to sell to you.

    The_Mew_Cat in reply to Steven Brizel. | November 9, 2022 at 3:32 pm

    I’m not sure DeSantis can win nationally. Florida is filled with retirees who could care less about abortion rights. The rest of the country cares about different issues.

    Yeah, after he wins he can do the globalists calls… he is bought

When do the repubican party leaders start resigning, looking at you Ronna Romney McDaniel to start. You had plenty of issues to run on, plenty of new energetic candidates to support yet you may gain just a slim majority in the house and the senate may end up riding on a Georgia run off election yet again.

Instead of arguing and pointing fingers, why not consider that we have two years before the next election and need to start planning now – I can assure you that Democrats are.

Things we “ought” to advocate for and try to do considering we’ve won the House that could help return elections to “local control” instead of nationalizing every House / Senate seat.

(1) Campaign finance reform. Republicans need to push to change the funding laws in a manner that mandates no campaign may take funding from any person, business or PAC that does not have a home, business or physical address (non-p.o. box) within the district that said candidate is running to represent. This must include the RCCC and DCCC. We must stop parties from nationalizing seats by flooding money into a district. Further we ought to consider an outright ban on allowing elected politicians from one district (or from another state) going into a district to campaign for another candidate (aside from the sitting or former POTUS). Truth is, IMO, doing this brings an undo influence by an outsider who neither lives, works or has any financial interest in that district! Most or all of this can be packaged as “returning the vote to home” and giving power back to individuals.

(2) Look to change state early voting laws and require that no early voting can begin until fourteen days before the election and must end three days before the election. This would allow for at least (in theory) one debate prior to early voting.

(3) Start being honest! Look, I voted for Trump in ’16 and ’20 but the man is now (or will be) in his 80’s come ’24. He has, like it or not, damaged his brand for far too many moderates at this point and given the list of candidates he supported that lost – he’s nearly on par with Obama in terms of being able to pull anyone across the finish line. Its time to move on and look toward a more youthful candidate without the baggage.

(4) Begin to focus a unified but “local” message – consider the old phrase; “think global (national) but act local”. The RNC must craft their message toward voters based on, “what can we do for you in Bugtussle, MI” and not focus on the message of, “we need to control the House or Senate”. Understand, that’s the goal but like fighting crime, if you take care of the small stuff (clean streets, public lighting, i.e. the broken window effect) the big stuff (control of the House and Senate) will take care of themselves.

(5) The whole GOPe BS is, IMO, exhausting. Sure, I dislike Cocaine Mitch however I won’t lie and will admit that years ago when I lived in the Great Commonwealth of KY, I voted for the guy! Why . . . . because I’d rather have a soft conservative then to have a Democrat! We know that with Mitch as leader were not going to get all of the things we want but we’ll get some and it’s time to stop making “good the enemy of perfect”.

Truth is that as someone who grew up poor and works as a social worker (yeah, not your typical Conservative), I believe the policies of the GOP (National Security, Foreign, Domestic) are better for all Americans and we need to be “happy warriors” and “run tell that” to every corner of or nation! We’ve seen gains in hispanic and black voting for GOP candidates and we need to keep pushing for growth instead of harping back and forth on who the “real” conservatives are! I don’t live far from Hillsdale College and have attended several of the events there. At one, I was at a table with an older guy (although I’m 54) and people were discussing “conservative” v “Conservative” when this gentleman asked, “Okay, so you don’t like this guy because he’s not on the same page with Burke or Kirk. Would you rather sit on your hands and have someone who’s on the same page as Alinsky take the office”. This used to be the proper way to look at things and I sure hope we get back to it.

Anyhow – have a great day!

    Milhouse in reply to WillS68. | November 9, 2022 at 2:19 pm

    Your proposal (1) is brazenly unconstitutional. If that is what you really believe is right, then you should go join the Democrats because that’s where anyone who believes in such tyranny belongs. No government has any right to do those things.

      healthguyfsu in reply to Milhouse. | November 9, 2022 at 4:19 pm

      His proposal is in need of modification but it’s not in the wrong entirely.

      We need to be able to stop non-citizens from flooding our system with money and propaganda (Soros et al)

        henrybowman in reply to healthguyfsu. | November 9, 2022 at 6:08 pm

        I object to #1. As long as federal politicians from other places can screw up my life, I reserve the right to fund their opponents.

          Milhouse in reply to henrybowman. | November 9, 2022 at 10:18 pm

          Note that federal politicians can also royally screw up the lives of people all over the world. What arrogant person can claim the right to tell someone in another country, whose livelihood or whose very life depends on the outcome of a US election, that he must shut up and passively await the result, without making any attempt to influence US voters?

          henrybowman in reply to henrybowman. | November 10, 2022 at 12:50 pm

          Michael Moore.
          Classic video of him pulling David Hogg away from a mic in Toronto while David is actively breaking federal law by soliciting Canadian citizens to send campaign contributions to American politicians.

        Milhouse in reply to healthguyfsu. | November 9, 2022 at 10:16 pm

        1. Soros is a US citizen.

        2. The freedom of speech is one of the rights the Declaration of Independence says are inherent in humanity, with which every person in the world is endowed by their Creator. Preventing aliens who are present in the USA from speaking is unconstitutional; preventing aliens who are not present in the USA from speaking is not unconstitutional, just as murdering them or stealing their property is not unconstitutional, because the constitution doesn’t have any authority over them; but it’s just as much an abridgment of their rights.

    Mt. Fuji in reply to WillS68. | November 9, 2022 at 6:10 pm

    I seriously doubt we will have a country in 2024.

I was told Democracy would end.

“Also, HOW does the Republican Party explain sticking with former President Donald Trump”

Dear Mary, get a clue. The republican party has never supported President Trump. They have done everything possible to stop him, including helping steal the 2020 election.

Victor Immature | November 9, 2022 at 1:50 pm

If the last 2 years weren’t enough to flip both houses, things are grim and about to get grimmer. A simple majority in HOR isn’t enough, there will always be suck-up rinos trying to play both sides, probably more than ever. They’re finger-in-the-wind opportunists.

Dumbing down math hasn’t helped peoples critical thinking skills.

    The_Mew_Cat in reply to Victor Immature. | November 9, 2022 at 3:30 pm

    Next up is true disaster. A recession is already baked in the cake, and that might be nothing compared to the Ukraine war escalating nuclear. 2024 will be one hell of an election.

Subotai Bahadur | November 9, 2022 at 2:22 pm

I am going to be blunt. Y’all probably are not going to like it. The figures I am working with, which will change because they are not complete, are that as I write the Republicans have lost one Senate seat with a couple still not settled. They have gained three of the 5 necessary to get a bare Republican majority in the House, with a few not settled. As we expected at least some counts were halted overnight, so we can assume that the Democrats had time to print more ballots which does not bode well. There is no Red Wave, let alone a Red Tsunami.

So let us take a best case perspective. Let us assume that it ends up with the Senate still split evenly with a Vichy leadership that will not fight the Left on anything, The MAGA caucus we hoped for will not exist.

For the House, it is technically possible but highly unlikely that a bare majority may be achieved, But once again, we have a Vichy leadership that will not stand against the Left. The so-called opposition party will continue in both Houses with their pre-emptive surrenders, although probably from a weaker position.

All election day all over the country there were “problems” with voting machines in places where those problems would benefit the Left. In 2020 the national election was stolen by the Left with the active help of the GOPe. And in the two years since, the GOPe has done somewhere between diddly and squat either publicly or privately to correct the frauds. They have mastered the art of silence on the subject.

Yesterday, continuing into today, we are seeing the same thing. And the same silence. That is two national general elections in a row that have been stolen.

1) We live in a system where supposedly legitimate government MUST include “Consent of the governed”.
2) “Consent of the governed” is determined in large part by elections at all levels.
3) There is a built in assumption that said elections are honest.
4) Honesty in elections is like an on-off switch. It is either there or it is not there.
5) If the honesty of the elections cannot be trusted, or it is known not to exist; there is no consent of the governed.

We will be told that we have to work harder for the next election. Working harder in the face of blatant vote fraud is not a productive effort. They can cheat a lot easier than we can get real votes, and they can negate those real votes. We will be told that those who commit vote fraud need to be prosecuted. Reality check. We live in a society where a) Leftists, b) those in power regardless of politics, and c) those with sufficient wealth do NOT get prosecuted for any of their crimes, ever. Look around at our poor country.

I used to tell new officers just out of the Academy that it is a known fact that 3% of any statistically significant population group are hopelessly sociopathic or psychopathic. That is the true definition of a “lunatic fringe”. They also are distributed on the traditional Bell Curve as far as intelligence and abilities. And that we catch and imprison [or at least used to] those of the ‘lunatic fringe” on the left hand side of the Bell Curve. The ones on the right hand side of the Bell Curve are running things.

The Left functionally controls all three branches of government across the board. The Media is wholly controlled by the Left. They will not allow any interference with their fraud, nor any prosecution for it, And in case you haven’t notice, those who are on the left hand side of that Bell Curve are at their beck and call for violent attacks on those who oppose them.

There is an acronym. T-I-N-V-O-W-O-O-T. There Is No Voting Our Way Out Of This. The electoral paradigm has failed. Personally, I rather doubt if we will have any more elections, real or fake.

The question that remains is, what if anything will be done about it?

Subotai Bahadur

    What makes you think we can’t handle the truth? It’s the lies from the media that pisses me off.

      henrybowman in reply to r2468. | November 9, 2022 at 6:10 pm

      The bulk of America simply swallows them. Nobody cares what you can handle, you no longer matter.

    The_Mew_Cat in reply to Subotai Bahadur. | November 9, 2022 at 3:28 pm

    Actually, we need a net of 6 to get bare House control, because of Alaska. This means the House can flip back and forth several times over the next 2 years as vacancies happen. There is already a vacancy, since a dead guy got elected in PA. And I don’t know what happens when the House is tied 216-216 or 217-217 as it is likely to be at some point next year, as there is no tiebreaker in the House.

    We will continue to have “elections”. But, the Democrats will get HR1 passed since they now probably control Congress even if by just a couple of votes. When that is passed, those that oppose the Democrat Party will be jailed and convicted when they use the tactics that HR1 embodies. The next step is when the Democrats declare a One Party Country and send all opposition to the “camps” for “re-education”.

    The soap box has been censored for opposing opinions, the ballot box is nullified by cheating, the jury box is perverted by Leftist “Justice”, so the only box left is the ammo box if the situation is to change. The Left is already employing the ammo box to effect their change with the FBI “arresting” people for dissent. When will the Right respond in kind?

Democrats are in control of the voting system.
Firmly in control.
The Red Wave evaporated in the computers.
But the Red Wave is real. And it did happen.
This is outright theft.
And to whom do we turn to correct it?
I have no idea at all.

BierceAmbrose | November 9, 2022 at 2:40 pm

I knew The Feckless R’s had blown it again, thought I didn’t watch the spectacle unfold; no riots.

Lisa Murkowski is losing with 74% if the vote in. I count that as a win.

BierceAmbrose | November 9, 2022 at 2:56 pm

‘GOP lost TX-34. Rep. Mayra Flores won the seat in June after a special election, but her Democrat opponent Vicente Gonzalez defeated her last night.”

Do what a party does, dammit — lock in the flips when you get them.

    She was a victim of redistricting. The 34th she lost wasn’t the same as the district she won, which is now mainly the 15th, IIRC (which remained in Republican hands).

BierceAmbrose | November 9, 2022 at 2:58 pm

For the record, because pretense n slimeing is the game; I am not pro-R. I am vehemently anti- the metastacising administrative state, which none dares call “Fascist” because reasons. The Screaming-D’s in the US are the party of that wad. And having locked in 2-party access, The Feckless R’s are the only viable opposition.

Dr. Oz must be real depressed, having to concede to Lurch

I knew we were in trouble when I voted at 7 AM and there were more election workers than voters at the polling place. Our people simply did not show up in the numbers required. Why? It is pretty clear why. Dobbs. We had a red wave in 2021 (in VA), but cancelled one in 2022. The only thing that changed in 1 year is Roe was overturned. A significant amount of our normal voters either voted Dem or had better things to do than to vote at all.

    tbonesays in reply to The_Mew_Cat. | November 9, 2022 at 4:20 pm

    I knew the Arizona Rs were in trouble when a I got in a line of 50 voters and fully half were in yoga pants.

    CommoChief in reply to The_Mew_Cat. | November 9, 2022 at 7:36 pm

    Abortion played a bigger role. Not from Dobbs. All that did put the decision back to the States. The folks in blue State with liberal abortion laws had largely figured that out by August. Then McCarthy, supported by Graham, pledged with r majorities to ram federal abortion legislation through. 15 week limit.

    That poked the dog who had gone back to sleep in blue States. It also PO red state single issue abortion voters because the proposed federal legislation would be less restrictive than they had gotten passed in their State.

    Then there were several ballot proposition among the States re abortion that also made this a more important issue than it should have been given the totality of the circumstances.

    We forget how motivated the single issue abortion voters are, on both sides at our peril. They are as motivated as single issue 2A voters. We should embrace Federalism and let the States adopt the laws that fit their State.

BierceAmbrose | November 9, 2022 at 3:51 pm

This election came out this way because the progressives did the work to lock in control for 100= years. They’ve been diligently installing a set of ideas spawned about 150 years ago, that lead to these outcomes. Also Baltimore, and The Soviet Union.

We can see the A/B tests: Western Europe vs. The Soviet Union; East and West Germany; North and South Korea; Cambodia before and after; Venezuela before and after; the formerly occupied Soviet Satellites before, during, and after.; Cuba before, during, and after; Singapore.; Baltimore; Seattle.

The Feckless R’s have to figure out that under this onslaught they have to do their job, occasionally. Every “flipped” state, position, and seat, you keep. It only ever goes one way. The True Believers have to get over the notion of the one magical election, candidate, policy or law that will make it all better.

You want it, you have to go after it, every time, everywhere, every thing.

The grim realization isn’t the frisson of apocalypticosm. It’s the grinding reality: at best they’re gonna drive us to the 80%-minus quality of life in Europe for the last 70-ish years. Locally, regionally, demographically, it’s worse when they think your demise is the cost of their ascendancy. And they’re probably gonna make it worse than Europe, more broadly.

There’s not enough surplus to keep things going well enough with this level of shenanigans. They’ll never stop screwing stuff up, because they believe someone will make it work, somehow.

Energy is the easy case. Commodity consumer goods are nearly as privileged. We’re out of design margin to soak up the consequences of their screw ups. That’s sticking with the concrete, and demonstrable. A competent opposition party would make some hay out of the losses to people’s lives during 2+ years of flailing pandemic response.

I don’t mind getting the government I deserve. I mind quite a bit getting the government they deserve. Yet, here we are.

BierceAmbrose | November 9, 2022 at 3:53 pm

Also, you got conned.

The whole inevitability of a wave, gnashing of teeth, and dropping of contentious issues because they might alienate some people worked its wonders. Don’t jiggle the thing; it’s in the bag.

    Right. The GOPe theory was, as it always is… The Dems are destroying themselves. Don’t interfere and do anything that might change that. Let’s remain silently above it all. The peasants will vote for us this time if we don’t give them a reason not to.

    Occasionally that worked. But not this time.

    Add in they ignored the Dems’ “vote fortification” operation, which reared its corrupt head in 2020, because they hated Trump. And didn’t want to be labelled ‘election deniers’ of one of the most irregular, festooned with red flags, and suspicious elections in US history. An election whose outcome was statistically almost impossible in the context of past elections.

    Also, Red Wave in the House actually occurred in 2020. The party of the hand picked installed candidate for POTUS who allegedly ‘beat’ the incumbent actually lost a significant number of seats in the House.

    When was the last time that happened? And so on and so forth.

    If it’s OK for the Dems to claim for four years that Trump was not a legitimate president it is okay for me to say Biden is not. And I have a hell of a lot more facts and circumstantial evidence then they ever had. We without doubt theirs was all fabricated and fake.

    GOPe doesn’t really care if they lose. Especially if Trump loses, too. And they can spin all their losses going forward on him. Until he’s dead. Or silenced.

All the armchair quarterbacks are out, tut-tutting like there is no tomorrow.
Meh…wake me when you actually change things.
Fuck around, find out.

Well, this circular firing squad has been mildly entertaining, if completely worthless. Hope everybody feels better now after blaming each other for pretty much everything the left engineered.

Nah, no cheating in Pa

Pennsylvania Ballot Fillers Elected a Dead Guy

November 9, 2022 | Sundance | 6 Comments
The people who distributed, assembled, collected and then submitted all the Democrat ballots in Pennsylvania filled in the bubble for a dead guy. Democrat Anthony “Tony” DeLuca died October 9th but was reelected to his state House seat on November 8th. Go figure

    henrybowman in reply to gonzotx. | November 9, 2022 at 6:52 pm

    Sometimes voting for the dead guy is the right choice.

    Here in Maricopa County, the R candidate for County College Board was arrested for gross public indecency (on school grounds, no less) and “suspended” his campaign, but did not withdraw from the race. If elected regardless, his seat would have been up for vacancy appointment by a Republican, so this was actually the right choice. Alas, given the generally limp results in AZ, I doubt this strategy bred results.

    Milhouse in reply to gonzotx. | November 9, 2022 at 10:29 pm

    Go figure what?! If you think there is something even slightly unlikely about a dead person winning an election, you’re even more of an idiot than I thought. Dead people regularly win elections, because the same people who would have voted for them will still vote for them. Why wouldn’t they?

    If you’re a R voter, and the R candidate in your seat died, why on earth would that make you change your vote? You would suddenly vote for the D instead?! Or for some other candidate whose politics don’t match yours?! That makes no sense at all. You vote for the dead guy and hope he wins, and then you wait for the special election.

I feel taken. I spent a crapload of cash on a dozen candidates, and all I got was this cheesy shirt sticker.

And now I’m getting text messages from the NRSC blathering about how much they need me to send them even more money for the Georgia runoffs. Spend your own money this time, you clowns.

Oh wait, I forgot, you can’t — you blew it all on that harridan, Murkowski. Hope she was worth it, Rona. Enjoy your irrelevance.

Let’s just start with a short list of things President Trump did:

1) stopped ISIS cold
2) EO stopping the drug companies from charging medicare more than what they charged foreign countries
3) EO forcing hospitals to disclose their prices
4) Move the US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem
5) ENERGY INDEPENDENCE for the first time in my lifetime of 70 years, and record low energy prices
6) Started no new wars
7) Elimination of regulations, required to eliminate 8 to add a new one
8) Cut Taxes across the board
9) Increased the individual tax credit eliminating the need to file more complicated returns
10) Started the space force, sorely needed today
11) Replaced NAFTA with an agreement better for American workers
12) Put tariffs on china, starting the process of moving American production out of the enemy’s land
13) Brought back massive amounts of money saved in foreign countries
14) Withdrew from the farce know as the Paris Climate Accords
15) Withdrew from the Iran deal
16) Increased the $$$ of the average family by over 5K IIRC
17) Started the process of fixing the VA
18) Increased the spending by other NATO countries
19) Killed the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP)
20) Created several million jobs, actual creation not bafflegab bullshit
21) Economic growth rates were going up, somewhere around 4% before the marxist killed the economy with the scam chinaVirus
22) Lowest rate of unemployment ever, across the board for blacks, hispanics, asians, veterans, etc.
23) Opened ANWAR and had the Keystone pipeline being constructed

There is much more of course.

That’s just a short list. Trump did this by himself, with little to no help from the republican party opposition from the republican party and the democrats. He did this while the deep state through the FBI, intelligence agencies, congress, and the DOJ were conducting illegal surveillance and investigations. But Trump didn’t falter, didn’t stop. He just kept on working.

No one else was capable of doing this, no one else has ever done this, no one else will.