Sweden Won’t Share its Nord Stream Investigation Findings with Russia
Swedish officials have announced that the investigation shows evidence of ‘gross sabotage”
After discussing the possibilities of the rupture of the Russia’s Nord Stream 2 pipeline, I thought I would check on the status of the investigations into the event.
Swedish Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson has announced the nation won’t share findings of the investigation into the explosions of the Nord Stream gas pipelines with Russian authorities or Gazprom (a Russian majority state-owned multinational energy corporation).
Last week Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin sent a letter to the Swedish government demanding that Russian authorities and Gazprom would be allowed to be involved in the investigation, which Sweden denied.
On Monday Andersson said Sweden won’t even share the findings of the explosions that took place in the Swedish economic zone, with Russian authorities.
“In Sweden, our preliminary investigations are confidential, and that, of course, also applies in this case,” she told reporters.
However, Swedish officials have announced that the investigation shows evidence of “gross sabotage.”
“After completing the crime scene investigation, the Swedish Security Service can conclude that there have been detonations at Nord Stream 1 and 2 in the Swedish economic zone,” it said.
The security service added that there was extensive damage to the gas pipelines and it had retrieved some material from the site that would now be analysed. The evidence “has strengthened the suspicions of gross sabotage”, it added.
The crime scene investigation conducted by the Swedish Coast Guard and Navy would have involved unmanned vehicles, Swedish navy spokesperson Jimmie Adamsson said.
“The pipes are at a depth of 70-80 metres and at those depths you use unmanned underwater vehicles,” he added.
Meanwhile, French President Emmanuel Macron says that Nordic leaders told their European partners that it was still pipeline.
Macron said France had proposed to countries with gas infrastructure in the North and Baltic Seas to launch co-ordinated operations with the French navy to secure and monitor the infrastructure.
He added that infrastructure such as pipelines, cables and satellites were points of vulnerability and needed to be reinforced in the current context of geopolitical tension.
That is one issue that will be discussed in the new forum launched in Prague, the European Political Community, which includes countries in and out of the EU, Macron said.
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Nothing to see, move along. /S
Since many western nations are sanctioning all things Russian, not sharing investigation findings is not surprising.
However, publicly pronouncing ‘gross sabotage’ is quite the investigation finding. The plot thickens….
Hmm, if the Russians actually did this the Swedes would definitely let the world know. IMO, this action puts the likelihood that it was a BUDS operation greater than 50%.
And for anyone who doesn’t know what BUDS is its basically the Navy Seals. In other words, an American operation.
Badass Underwater Demolition School. 😉
Why? If this was an accident resulting from negligent maintenance (which is at least if not more likely than sabotage given the circumstances and management of this and similar pipelines), it’s just as plausible that those who have interests in stoking international hostilities would want to hide this fact also.
Did you not read the article? The Swedes have said their investigation has shown strong evidence of gross sabotage” (the article’s words) which eliminates any accident due to negligent maintenance. That means this actcwas fully intentional and meant to send a message.
“…this action puts the likelihood that it was a BUDS operation greater than 50%.”
Poppycock. You have no idea what your talking about. You have no idea who did what and neither do I. Creating a value, like >50%, is just pure BS.
LOL, Biden said he would do something like it. I give it a >50%. We have all the reasons to do it and the Russians don’t. The financial incentives lining people pockets are in the $B’s. Show me a Dem. administration that was not a war profit machine since Kennedy? Eisenhower warned us. Pay attention.
I imagine I know a lot more about Eisenhower than you can imagine. Which has exactly zero to do with who and if the pipelines were destroyed. Just because you are incapable of thinking beyond the current situation doesn’t mean everyone else is.
So now, you believe Biden? You actually think the pervert said something actually true and factual? You believe in rainbow unicorns?
I don’t know who did it or why, neither do you or mr 50%.
You don’t know a god damned thing about Eisenhower, current events or any other part of American history.
The circumstantial case that Biden is responsible is very high, and frankly someone saying he will do it who has the means motive and opportunity, who then does it……..gee who would you think did it detective?
What you are doing isn’t patriotism its gas lighting.
Americans have endured many things, including wars, we have agreed to let our government make risks on our behalf including hostile military actions. We (although you may be an exception) however do believe we should be consulted, and do believe we shouldn’t be gas lit about our governments actions when the stakes are sky high.
Russia had zero motive to destroy their own pipeline and a strong motive not to (destroyed Nord 2 gives them zero leverage over Europe).
Real American statesmen explain why they did it, they don’t hide behind a gaslighting campaign, and real patriots don’t insult people for asking questions or suggest that the word of the president of the United States isn’t evidence of anything.
World leaders in every country listen to everything Joseph R Biden says, and they have their staff thoroughly examine everything that passes from his mouth. Are they stupid to do so in your opinion?
Ha, too funny Barry. If you know Eisenhower so well, tell me if he said this?
“In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist.”
This Ukr. War is all about $ and not peace. As for Biden, I do believe that he has a consist pattern of saying things he should not. Just watch this:
Joe Biden Brags about getting Ukranian Prosecutor Fired
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXA–dj2-CY
Joe’s patterns are consistent with his talking points. What is scary is his gaffes about Armageddon.
“Biden’s ‘Armageddon’ talk edges beyond bounds of US intel”
Ukr has been noted as one of the most corrupt nations in the world and guess who is its biggest linked people. Biden, CIA, McCain.
As for the 50%, guess what. We live by patterns every day. I don’t understand how
God works, but I would say there is more than a 50% chance the sun is coming up tomorrow. The US pattern of manufacturing situations to promote there interest has been going on since the 50’s and good old Dulles.
With Bidens gaffe saying he we will take out the pipeline
President Joe Biden on Monday said the U.S. would “bring an end” to the Nord Stream 2 natural gas pipeline if Russia invades Ukraine.
“If Russia invades — that means tanks or troops crossing the border of Ukraine — then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it.” Biden said while standing next to the new chancellor of Germany, Olaf Scholz, at a White House news conference.
I have to give team Biden credit. That lease he does not create false lines in the sand like Obama.
So yes, patterns seem to indicate that the US was behind the pipeline and the pattern is more than 50%.
Sorry about my grammar mistakes. Should have previewed it.
Oh look, anti-American chinaDanny is running his mouth again, proving once more he is a mouthpiece for the ccp
Sorry, Mr Smith, making the case based on only the fact you wish to present are simply not proof of anything, much less that the likelihood is > than 50%.
That is simply conjecture. I have not said the US was not involved, only that there are many factors that you have no understanding of and cannot make predictions based on your pathetic feelings.
When you agree with chinaDanny you’re in dangerous territory.
As for Eisenhower, what he believed is certainly true and has been show to be true over and over again. And that has zero % to do with who blew up a pipeline.
First off about your insulting instead of arguments
1. The only time you engaged in an argument to try to defend your (absolutely non-existent) historical knowledge you got crushed very easily under the weight of very easily obtainable information. You do not know anything about American history.
2. You have routinely attacked me claiming on Chinese instead of actually addressing my arguments, which shows you aren’t just a racist you are a racist with a genocidal level of hatred (if you look at Denikin’s army you will find they would attack people who weren’t Jewish for being Jews instead of engaging in debate. Thank god scum like you have never and will never be in charge of anything whatsoever in this country that you know nothing about).
3. Scum like you who claim failure to toe a government line are anti-(fill in country) are the stuff fascism/communism and other similar totalitarian ideologies are made of.
You have fully ignored the fact the Swedes have absolutely said sabotage, you have ignored a very strong circumstantial case (that the United States has a very strong motive we don’t want Russia to gain leverage over Europe when winter comes and it has the ability to ship gas to Europe, Joseph R Biden SAID HE WAS GOING TO DO IT, and we have the means to easily do it, and we had military assets in the area at the time).
Unless you want to make a baseless claim it was Ukraine (had the motive but no means to do this) then yes we are the most obvious culprit.
Now If you want to argue that we shouldn’t allow Russia leverage over Europe that is a good argument and it is the kind of argument a patriot would make to defend our actions. If on the other hand you want to gas light then no you aren’t a patriot you are an asshole.
Patriotism in this country has always involved giving us choices and leveling with us, not a mass gaslighitng campaign.
Your difference with a Bernie Bro isn’t even skin deep your just a different brand of totalitarian nutcase. You haven’t addressed a dam thing Mr. Smith said.
I am so glad your kind lost all influence in the Republican Party and got thrown out we are no longer the trust whatever a spokesman from the government says unconditionally party your kind have discredited war mongers for hopefully many generations.
I would be glad to listen to an argument that preventing Russia from leverage over Europe justifies the sabotage. I will not listen to a gas lighting campaign by a man who has arrogance instead of wisdom.
In response to Barry:
Sorry, Mr Smith, making the case based on only the fact you wish to present are simply not proof of anything, much less that the likelihood is > than 50%.
Well, well. I did make the case with FACTS. Something you have not done.
Barry has all the knowledge and wisdom of the world. Everyone is a dummy or an idiot. Classic I don’t know Jack so I will just attack others.
First Barry claims he know more about Eisenhower then me, lacking any knowledge of my background. Barry’s background is unknown an lacks any proof of credibility. What fact does Barry’s statement prove, Barry is a narcissistic blowhard.
Yes Barry, I did provide facts. Fact of what Eisenhower said. I also presented facts that Biden’s gaffes tend to be true in a warped sorta way. (see above). The art of conservation is to provide alternative fact. You have done none of that. I have been posting probable more than 8 years here and back most of my posts up with links or statements. You have been around awhile too, so you should know better than making stupid statements like I know zero about Eisenhower. That makes me laugh because you just lost the card game there.
As for believing Biden, he does say things that are true. You better listen because he mentioned Armageddon. He tends to repeat things he heard and also embellish things to the point of lying.
Example:
Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. claimed during a campaign appearance in New Hampshire last spring that he finished in the top half of his law school class, although records indicate he finished near the bottom
It is a consist pattern of him to change a story to make it a BS story.
So yes, I believe that Biden was told about Armageddon and he let it slip out. They may have set him up to do that, just to strike fear in us. As for the pipeline, I posted what he said. Give me the proof that it is a lie.
I suspect that Barry is a cat lover.
Since when does what Biden said he would do have any meaning?
The thing about Biden speaking the truth is that it happens a lot, as especially when he talks from the hip. He ends up giving away th real aims, thoughts, plans and agenda of his handlers, and then they have to run around like chicken without heads trying to “clean up” after him.
He said he would destroy the fossil fuel industry and in case you hadn’t noticed he’s doing his damnedest to accomplish that. He said The pandemic is over, and that really sent ‘em all scurrying cuz it would put an end the money train. There are dozens more but yeah, he’s a liar, for sure. But when he speaks the truth it’s an accident cuz he’s a dumb f*#%!
Okay, outside of Russia and the United States who would want to destroy the pipelines? And if Russia did it why wouldn’t Sweden tell the world they did it? And finally if hthe United States weren’t involved why don’t they just say they weren’t involved?
What’s BS is that after Biden said he wouldn’t allow the pipeline to continue people like you still refuse to believe America would do something like this.
You dummy’s can’t even read, much less analyze what the Swedish have stated. I have not stated the US wasn’t involved or that the russians blew up their own damn unused* pipeline. I have said that you have no clue, and your logic is faulty because you don’t have the information required to make such assumptions.
*that’s right, unused. The russians had already shut it down. Have you forgotten? An unused pipeline is as worthless as one with a hole in it. Analyze that.
What’s to analyze? The statement is preposterous.
An unused pipeline is big leverage against people who want you to open it again. A destroyed pipeline is no leverage at all.
Ha, looks like Barry is backtracking.
I have not stated the US wasn’t involved or that the russians blew up their own damn unused* pipeline.
Obviously, Trump and the MAGA folks did it.
Or maybe Elon Musk?😀
Yea, that Telsa boat got out of control and took it out when water got on the battery.
Round up the usual suspects. Moms at school board meetings and anti abortion activists.
Nancy and Chucky did it…..McCain from the grave?
We all know that Trump, he’s an expert frogman…
Common sense would lead most to the word “preliminary” and they would understand the reason not to release “preliminary” info. Are there not enough examples in the media of people being declared guilt before the facts are known.
Standard policy of the government will be to not release preliminary investigation info. Everything being said currently is speculative and baseless.
We’ll know, when they tell us what to know!
Why would they regardless of their findings?
At this point is any European nation on board with the US led proxy war against Putin willing to share anything with Russia they do not have to share for reasons of economic self interest?
The leaks are 300 feet down, not 3,000. Commercial divers work regularly at that depth in a wet suit and scuba gear. They have to come to the surface slowly to decompress, but this in not deep sea submersible or even pressure suit depth and you don’t need a SEAL team to get down there.
The leaks are in waters open to international traffic.
Why don’t we have pictures?
More like 210-250 feet. But still, there is no real need to send divers to take pictures just to take pictures. At that depth, you can keep an unmanned vehicle down there for hours at less risk and less work and probably less cost and time. They can always send down divers for specific issues they find or don’t find on the photos.
You say there’s no need but it seems like the easiest and quickest way to get a first read on the nature and cause of the damage and at least whether the explosions were internal or external (if there were any explosions). Why wait on a sub? The area is not restricted. Grab some lights and just go take a look.
I have no practical experience with these things but I am fairly well informed about underwater exploration. Watching diving films searching for lost wrecks is one of my favorite pastimes. A friend of mine devoted 3-4 decades after WWII looking for the WWII bomber his cousin died in. PBS made a special of that find.
We have ships specially equipped to perform these search operations. This isn’t “Sea Hunt” where Mike Nelson jumps on a boat, quickly locates what he is looking for by instinct, grabs his scuba gear and jumps off the boat with no plan.
Also keep in mind that only 3 of the 4 pipelines exploded. There is likely a fourth bomb down there and maybe more. This is a military mission. There is no reason to take short-cuts. There is no urgency. Before either subs or divers would go down, it is likely that they would scan the area with electronic radar/sonar sensors to confirm they are in the right location and to get an idea what is down there.
And there is no need to “wait on a sub”. The subs I am talking about are the small unmanned “drone” subs that have cameras and claws. I am almost certain that the ships they sent were equipped with all of that gear.
The articles says 80 meters, about 90 yards. Mike Nelson (Lloyd Bridges) could do this without a tank.
“it was still pipeline.”
You lost a bunch: “it was still impossible to say at this stage who was behind attacks on the NordStream pipeline.”
“Swedish Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson has announced the nation won’t share findings”
They won’t SHARE them… but anyone who wants a copy can have one for free, as long as they take 200,000 “Swedish” Muslim refugees with it. Only three copies are available, and this offer won’t last!
Swedish reports traditionally have themes that people can relate to, including isolation, death, love, politics, religion, and the treatment of women.
And they often include lines like “a moose once bit my sister”.
Or the average person swallows 4 spiders a year when they are sleeping.
Does that include the ones which crawl up the nose?
No those are bonus ones