Mar-a-Lago Raid: What did the feds spend so much time doing throughout Trump’s office and residence?
Whatever it was, it probably had nothing to do with retrieving records claimed by the National Archives. The mystery Search Warrant is now subject to motions to unseal by Judicial Watch and others.
The Search Warrant used in the Mar-a-Lago raid is not public. It was filed under seal. It’s not even clear the Trump folks have it. Both Eric Trump and a lawyer for Donald Trump have said that a copy of the warrant was not given to the people present at Mar-a-Lago.
Eric Trump revealed FBI agents refused to hand over the search warrant for their raid on Mar-a-Lago and kicked an attorney off the property in a new, incisive account of the Monday operation at the Florida estate.
Speaking exclusively to DailyMail.com, the former president’s son said the 30 agents who arrived at the property asked staff to turn security cameras off – but they refused.
He also said that the attorney was forced to stand at the end of the Mar-a-Lago driveway while the team searched inside – and allegedly used safe crackers to break into his father’s safe.
He called the raid another ‘coordinated attack’ on his father Donald Trump and insisted there is no way President Joe Biden was kept in the dark about the search.
The latest explosive account comes with the Department of Justice facing mounting pressure to explain what grounds they had for the search.
Eric said that his father’s lawyer Christina Bobb was forced to stand at the end of the Mar-a-Lago driveway throughout the raid.
‘There’s 30 agents there,’ he recalled of the Monday search in a phone call with DailyMail.com. ‘They told our lawyer… you have to leave the property right now. Turn off all security cameras.’
‘They would not give her the search warrant,’ he claimed. ‘So they showed it to her from about 10 feet away. They would not give her a copy of the search warrant.’
Apparently Mar-a-Lago staff refused to turn off the security cameras. It’s unclear whether Trump lawyers have received a copy subsequent to the initial raid.
Be very suspicious of anything you hear in the media attributable to anonymous sources. The supposed leaks from unidentified persons supposedly with knowledge are either FBI/DOJ whispering in the ear of reporter-scribes which may or may not reflect reality, or people who don’t have actual knowledge, or sources who exist only in the imagination of the reporters. It’s all an unreliable web of deception.
Newsweek reports that the FBI had an inside source who told the FBI what Trump was hiding and where.
The raid on Mar-a-Lago was based largely on information from an FBI confidential human source, one who was able to identify what classified documents former President Trump was still hiding and even the location of those documents, two senior government officials told Newsweek.
Really? Is that why over two dozen agents needed an early morning raid that swept through the Trump offices and residence at Mar-a-Lago, including reportedly Melania’s wardrobe?
Judicial Watch filed a motion to unseal today:
7. All three considerations support Judicial Watch’s motion to unseal. First, Judicial Watch seeks access to the warrant materials as part of its educational mission. If the Court were to unseal the materials, Judicial Watch would obtain the materials, analyze them, and make them available to the public. Second, the public has an urgent and substantial interest in understanding the predicate for the execution of the unprecedented search warrant of the private residence of a former president and likely future political opponent. Third, no official explanation or information has been released about the search. As of the filing of this motion, the public record consists solely of speculation and inuendo. In short, the historical presumption of access to warrant materials vastly outweighs any interest the government may have in keeping the materials under seal.
8. Given the political context, and the highly unusual action of executing a search warrant at the residence of a former President and likely future political opponent, it is essential that the public understands as soon as possible the basis for the government’s action. Any government interest in securing the identities of witnesses and confidential sources, if any, may be addressed by appropriate redactions from the search warrant affidavit.
Shortly after Judicial Watch’s motion, similar motions were filed by The Times Union and The New York Times.
The Times confirms my understanding of the standard practice, that search warrants are unsealed after or soon after they are executed. The reason for the seal is to prevent the target from concealing the subject matter of the warrant, but once it’s executed, there’s no reason for secrecy:
To date, despite the immense public interest in the search, the public, including The Times, has been prevented from accessing any court records related to this search warrant, including the warrant itself. Southern District of Florida practice is typically to seal search warrant matters at least until the warrant is executed, but not in perpetuity….
For warrant recordsto remain under seal a court must determine, in clearly articulated findings, that the government established a specific, compelling interest justifying an ongoing seal that is no broader than necessary to serve that interest.
The Court docket as of this writing indicates the government has until August 15 to respond:
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Whatever it was, it probably had nothing to do with retrieving records claimed by the National Archives. A lot of people are speculating the feds “planted” something that could be used against Trump. Yes, I’m naive, I don’t think that’s it.
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The rummaging through Melania’s underwear was just their big FU to Trump
Telling them that they can do what ever they want, even to his prize Melania…
I.Hate.These.People..
Someday, Dear God… soon
They were channeling Paulie Walnuts, at 01:12,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfZAERH8rSM
I.Hate.These.People..
Someday, Dear God… soon
Said by millions being marched to the gulag at gunpoint because no one had the balls to use the rights dictated by the founding document to preserve liberty in the face of tyranny.
I plan on sitting on my hands until the 35 years of retirement funds I have accrued become fair game, and Social Security checks bounce.
After that, all bets are off.
Do you see why I am pissed? It has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with
A. My good choices
B. My wealth
“Is that why over two dozen agents needed an early morning raid that swept through the Trump offices and residence at Mar-a-Lago, including reportedly Melania’s wardrobe?”
Actually, that was a special warrant addendum requested by Sam Brinton.
They were sniffing her panties for tell-tale aromas suggesting illegal drugs.
The reason they were in Melania’s closet was to find new outfits they could wear for the FBI office drag queen story hour for the neighborhood kids.
Not for the annual Dress Like Hoover costume party?
Why so much time?
Looking for pictures of Melania.
Any “evidence” from this raid will be considered planted by the FBI.
That maggot Obama’s malignant dream of a “Civil security force, more powerful, more well-funded than the military”, is coming true.
IRS Hiring Spree Is The Biggest Expansion Of The Police State In American History
https://thefederalist.com/2022/08/10/irs-hiring-spree-is-the-biggest-expansion-of-the-police-state-in-american-history/
Between an armed IRS army and a woke military, how many Americans will die at the hands of our “government”?
Only the relatively few special agents in the criminal division are armed. I do not believe such an agent has ever fired his weapon outside a range. The real threat is harassment of the poor by unarmed auditors.
“Only the relatively few special agents in the criminal division are armed.”
And they need one billion rounds of ammo apiece apparently.
Maybe there was “few” at one time, but if we allow it the few are going to become the many.
I believe you’re wrong. I believe the IRS is going to become the unconsituttional federal police force we always feared.
It used to be that transactions over $5,000 were reportable by banks to the IRS. This was supposedly instituted as a tool to interdict drug transactions. IIRC, that sum has been dropped to $600. That’s not drug dealers they’re after, but minimum-wage workers.
They are the ‘civilian security force’ that maggot Obama dreamed about:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df2p6867_pw
You are incredibly naive. The majority of new special agents will be armed. And yesterday, a bill was introduced by the Senate banning audits resulting from the new IRS in people with income above $400,000. It was shot down with the Dems voting unanimously against.
The other huge consideration to consider is that they will be taking over criminal investigations normally performed by law enforcement like the FBI. Why is that important? You are assumed innocent until proven guilty if being investigated by the FBI. You are assumed guilty until you prove your innocence when being audited by the IRS. Anyone see a problem with this? What are thinking? They would never exploit that? These people are totalitarians. Honorable thieves.? Really?
Hopefully, House support for the Anti-Inflation Bill has been trimmed to a 3-4 advantage for passage. Let’s see if the usual negotiations with Pelosi can salvage this bill. I’m guessing it passes (Democrats don’t realize that they will be ensnared in this audit trap too).
The Pen Is Mightier Than The Sword.
Bullets from a government 9mm are mightier than the pen.
The fact that the raid was not observable by President Trump’s legal team effectively negates the value of anything they purport of “find.” Doing so for NINE hours is especially relevant.
Kind of like counting ballots when one party is excluded from the counting….
They are really poking the bear (Pres. Trump) with this one.
May the backlash be great and the pendulum’s return be awesome.
Not automatically- it doesn’t “negate” anything. (It didn’t negate ballots in the 2020 election either)
It does raise serious legal issues which COULD result in some part or whole fruits of the search being rejected by the court.
That may be the plan anyway.
They COULD have just been after INFORMATION ( which they cant “un find” because they now know it) knowing full well the entire operation was a red herring and knowing they would lose all the evidence anyway but that was the “cover”.
Personally, with the following subpoenas allegedly given to some Republicans and the Congressman’s phone being taken, I think THAT was the plan all along.
This whole op was a deliberate Trojan Horse looking for information HIDDEN in the “wrappings” of what “looks like’ a bungled warrant for classified documents.
That’s why I don’t think they “planted” anything because they know Trump and his allies have the resources to conduct a thorough search and they would not risk incriminating evidence being left to be found.
Modern bugs can be incredibly hard to detect, and Melania’s clothes could be a good place to plant bugs.
Also, they could have been looking for passwords, encryption keys, offshore account numbers, etc… These can be copied without physically taking the piece of paper they are written on.
Hard yes but not impossible and Trump has the resources.
As an Engineer, I can state with 100% accuracy that nothing made by man is impossible to overcome.
I’ll save the space. They “could” be looking for anything everywhere (plain view) but they can only “hunt for” items listed on the warrant. (that is a distinction with a difference)
I would be highly surprised if any of that is even normally present there to begin with because that’s usually work product and would be secured elsewhere with an attorney, CPA or even an “undisclosed” location. People with Trump’s resources don’t tape things under the desk drawer.
This is a good exercise in speculation and i don’t trust them a bit but until we see the wording on the warrant- we really don’t know if they exceeded the authority or not.
“If elected, Barack Obama has promised to form a Civilian National Security Force that is just as powerful and just as well funded as our National Military.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ecDxMQcsLg
I don’t know what they were looking for either, but everyone knows that if you want to hide anything from the FBI you simply download it onto Hunter Biden’s laptop!
Or Anthony Weiner’s.
All the Hillary e-mails are on that.
It takes a good while to plant these new undetectable bugs and cameras. If I was Melania, I would never undress in that house again. Somebody somewhere is watching and listening.
Seriously, the house is totally tainted as a family home. How could a family ever feel comfortable there after what was done. Trump must feel seriously violated. I wouldn’t be surprised if he sold it.
Melania should donate her entire Mar-A-Lago wardrobe to charity since it was defiled.
The FBI demanded that the Mar-a-Lago security cameras be turned off.
According to Eric Trump they were told to get stuffed.
Those videos should provide some excellent footage for Trump’s re-election campaign.
Question: The Secret Service carries out security sweeps for listening devices every day in the White House. Do they do the same for former Presidents? If they find an FBI listening device or camera set to take (ahem) compromising photos of the former First Lady, are they obligated to remove it and report it to their protective client?
I suspect Trump hires his own people for that. For some reason he doesn’t trust the feds…
They should burn the place down and take donations to rebuild it. It is surely bugged.
“Mission Accomplished” — FBIDEN.
Is it safe to assume that any listening device or camera would periodically emit a detectible radiofrequency signal?
Is there a listening device that can transmit a signal to “authorities” yet evade detection?
No.
There’s optical (laser) stuff now.
There’s stuff that ties itself into home WiFi.
There’s long-latency burst transmit devices.
There’s stuff that messages over powerline.
There’s tightbeam satellite stuff, but it’s damn hard to install innocuously.
“No.”
“Reports that say that something hasn’t happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – – the ones we don’t know we don’t know. And if one looks throughout the history of our country and other free countries, it is the latter category that tend to be the difficult ones.”
Donald Rumsfeld
In other words, we don’t know what the feds have with any certainty.
Well, I was answering no to the first question, and not the second. I see now that was very unclear.
Oops 🙂
Sorry as I misread your answer and see how I did so.
OTOH, it’s instructive to remember we can never be sure what billions of dollars of our tax money can create…
You are correct in that it’s impossible to predict what vulnerabilities can be exploited as technology is advancing all the time. Sometimes even very ancient techniques can still be exploited.
I’ve been retired as a reserve Naval intelligence officer for 14 years now, and this story is from my early active duty obligation so the memory is dim. But I recall that an embassy in Asia was built to U.S. specifications by local contractors. They swept if for electronic bugging devices. There were none. Yet the host country always seemed to have knowledge of what was said in the embassy. Then somebody finally figured it out. There was a fireplace in every room. But there were no chimneys on the roof.
The embassy wasn’t bugged; the hostile host country was engaged in acoustic eavesdropping. The rooms were designed in such a way that whatever was said in the room was amplified by the fake fireplace. The vibrations were turned into electronic signals, which could then be reconstructed into vibrations and therefore back into voice.
It’s much like the vulnerabilities of old analog phones. There are of course diaphragms in the handset that do the same thing. Speak into the mouthpiece and the phone converts the vibrations into an electronic signal and the earpiece does the reverse.
But counterespionage personnel discovered the ringer motor functioned the same way. The ringer motor which contained no diaphram but was rather a coil of wire would turn an electronic into motion; the rod connected to the clacker would vibrate and hit the bells, making the phone ring. But the coil could also function as a microphone, picking up sound in the room, convert it into an electronic signal, which could be reconverted back into voice simply by tapping into the wire at any point. The eavesdropper didn’t need access to the phone, the room, or even the building.
This isn’t ancient history. There are miniature vibration motors in a wide variety of modern electronics. Alexa, please let the world listen in on my sex life. They’re in your “smart” refrigerator, coffee pot (Internet of Things devices), toys, phone, watch, etc. Of course, since you need direct access to these tiny vibration motors they’re widely thought not to be vulnerable to exploitation.
But again since technology is always advancing we’d never know if those vibration motors are being exploited. Then there’s the fact that you don’t need fake fireplaces to conduct acoustic eavesdropping. Pipes, air ducts, etc., can perform the same function.
Really, though, it’s human stupidity think Hillary! and the common practice in her office to use electronic media like thumb drives to directly transfer information from the classified systems to the unclassified systems that were directly connected to the internet. The better to place classified information on her basement server. Think the State Department communicating with the U.S. Interests section at the Swiss Embassy in Havana. And including a list of NOCs (Non-Official Cover CIA personnel) including Valerie Plame’s identity that was naturally intercepted by Cuban intelligence. Then transmitted to the entire Soviet Bloc.
Then the CIA pretending that Valerie Plame can still function as a NOC. And pretending that the Bush administration revealing her identity could jeopardize her life when in fact a) the CIA viat DoS had already done that years earlier and b) hostile intelligence agencies would never off a compromised NOC. They’ll point, laugh, and exploit here as a vulnerability by letting her recruit double agents and feed her fake intel as long as the U.S. is stupid enough to engage in “covert agent” cosplay. That’s the greatest vulnerability. our own stupidity.
Further reading on the subject.
https://synrg.csl.illinois.edu/vibraphone/paperdocs/VibraPhone_nirupam.pdf
“Listening through a Vibration Motor
Nirupam Roy, Romit Roy Choudhury
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign”
Based on history since 2016, why give the benefit of the doubt that the Feds must have something? And if they do finally have evidence, why would you trust that it is real rather than manufactured or planted?
There is absolutely no reason to trust the FBI or DOJ. Even the warrant signed by a federal magistrate with connections to Epstein is questionable.
I read, but do not know, that the federal magistrate that signed the warrant, Judge Bruce Reinhardt, was not simply a lawyer for Epstein’s employees, but also left his job as an assistant U.S. attorney for the Southern District of Florida to go to work for Epstein, under questionable ethical circumstances.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/florida-judge-approved-fbi-raid-trumps-mar-a-lago-once-represented-jeffrey-epsteins-employees-report
After he went to work for Epstein, he was accused of using confidential information he had gain about Epstein matters as a prosecutor in his subsequent private work. Apparently he smoothed this out with an affidavit.
https://insiderpaper.com/judge-approved-fbi-raid-on-trump-represented-jeffrey-epsteins-employees/
I assume your reply was directed somewhere else and not to me, since I have been saying the feds are liars since I realized how many lies Bush told. I
don’t thinkam sure trump has broken no law, and that the feds have manufactured whatever they have.And then there’s the low-tech that the camera simply has its own internal removable memory and sends no signal at all.
That has to be retrieved, however. Something that cannot easily be done in surreptitious manner.
Don’t be so sure. Autonomous drones or artificial insects can do the work.
Tell that to the Brits.
https://www.theregister.com/2021/08/20/hikvision_surveillance_camera_commissioner_uighur_controversy/
“UK’s Surveillance Camera Commissioner grills Hikvision on China human rights abuses”
The UK has for some stupid reason bought and is using tens of thousands of Hikvision cameras for use in it’s traffic camera/surveillance camera network.
They’ve been detected trying to sync with Chinese servers.
As GWB notes, retrieval is an issue.
We have long had burst mode device, ones that collect data and then transmit randomly in very short bursts, making it difficult to notice and even more difficult to find. But you can “see” them if your looking.
Actually, that isn’t true and hasn’t been for a very long time. In 1945 a few weeks before the Japanese were defeated a representative from the Young Pioneers presented a hand carved wooden U.S. seal to the U.S. ambassador.
We were supposed to pretend the Young Pioneers were sort of Soviet version of the Boy Scouts and they were simply trying to get their woodworking merit badge. And that the U.S. and USSR were BFFs.
It contained a bug later known by the U.S. as “The Thing.” It contained a diaphragm and a small antenna but no power source. It was passive and didn’t actively transmit at all. So it wasn’t detectable by conventional means. In order to transmit it had to be painted by an external transmitter operating at the correct frequency.
It went undetected for nearly a decade until a radio operator at the British embassy accidentally tuned into that correct frequency while the Russians were painting “The Thing” and realized he was listening in on an American conversation.
The bottom line is that the only safe way to discuss classified information is in a SCIF. No electronic devices allowed. No documents leave, including handwritten notes.
But that’s too inconvenient for people like HIllary! That’s what’s galling about this whole Trump situation. First, the President is the ultimate classification/declassification authority. The President doesn’t even have to use a specified process. A President can simply declare information unclassified, and then it doesn’t matter the markings on the documents.
Subordinate cabinet officers have no such authority. Hillary! has no authority to do what she publicly said she did. It is a non-defense to simply say that things are overclassified. It’s true, they are, and they’re usually overclassified to hide illegal or embarrassing information by the very bureaucrats who committed those illegal or embarrassing acts.
But as SecState Hillary! would have had to go through a formal process to have that information declassified.
Second it is ludicrous and an insult to our intelligence (again, the insult is deliberate) to pretend that server wasn’t vulnerable because it was in a basement in a house secured by the USSS.
Again, nobody needs access to the house to intercept information transmitted on the internent.
On the other hand even if Trump had classified documents they were in hard copy and locked in his basement in a home secured by the USSS. Anyone attempting to gain access to that information would need to get into that basement.
Consider the FBI a hostile intelligence agency. Trump’s OPSEC was so good they had to gain access to his home. Hence they had to concoct a pretext for the raid.
“Actually, that isn’t true…”
What isn’t true Arminius? There are certainly burst mode devices. And they can be caught if you know what you are looking for. Difficult, yes. Impossible, no.
But I don’t disagree with you otherwise.
“There’s tightbeam satellite stuff, but it’s damn hard to install innocuously.”
But given nine hours…..
As Howie Carr often quotes; “never write when you can speak, never speak when you can nod, never nod when you can wink.”
And if there is an informant in MAL, they should be rooted out ASAP, with prejudice. I do find that a bit unlikely, since the number of people that could allegedly know that level of alleged minutiae would be quite small, likely nonexistent. Just another “FISA source” for the FIB.
I can’t even watch reruns of the X-files anymore….
I suspect that their “informant” is actually the DoJ lawyers who have been in MAL discussing, and partially recovering, the documents the Nat Archives are asking for.
But it sounds sexier and more damning if they suggest it is a Trump insider.
I wonder if the “no signaling theorem” of quantum mechanics has been circumvented by some clever means. I’ve been trying to figure out how to do this myself for a long time. If this is possible, then bugs can be truly undetectable.
He’s got the goods on Crossfire Hurricane, including the Oval Office sedition meeting on Jan 5, 2017, and the feds can’t allow that.
Good thing the Democrats have the Election wired.
Or they would go down in flames.
Oh we will still hold elections…
But, they are pre-determined.
It is merely a pacifier for the masses.
Very little in that Newsweek story makes sense. Not political? I can’t even believe they tried to say this. How stupid are these people. No question mark on purpose. And this – “the FBI feared that the documents might be destroyed”
Huh?
First, Newsweek says Trump was hiding classified documents. Really? We already know that people from the DOJ were at Trump’s house in June and saw the very things they were looking for the other day. Trump even said hi to them. The DOJ said – please secure the basement room where you have these documents. Trump said OK and added a lock to the room door.
Next interaction with the DOJ from that date until the raid was the raid.
WTF?
You missed that they’re simultaneously trying to claim they had to execute the raid because they feared the documents would be destroyed, but then they were able to wait until Trump happened to leave the state for them to execute the raid.
They can’t even tell believable lies.
I didn’t miss it – it’s worse than that! The guy has been out of office for two and a half years. You think if he wanted to destroy valuable documents he’d have done so in, gee, I don’t know, Jan. or Feb. 2021? March? June? December? Hello. is this thing on? Trump the evil, devious….procrastinator? DOJ knew he had documents. Trump knew they knew. He locked the freaking room so no one could disturb them. If they come back and nothing’s there – Gee, Donald, we knew you locked the room, where is the stuff? Trump – uh I don’t know, anyone see the shredder? Can’t find my shredder, I don’t know.
What the DOJ does, and what they want us to believe, is on a level of dumb below any given Bugs Bunny adversary. And they are never punished.
I will say this: I am not wishing for an American Revolution Part 2. But if it happens, I won’t be upset about it.
Make that one and a half years.
By the time Biden has been in office for two and a half years, we’ll all be eating bugs, driving BLM burro teams, and speaking Chinese.
Official Math™℠®©
My nemesis!
It is a coincidence you say that because I am looking up burro tour reservations for ant farms around Guangzhou and everything is already sold out through 2023.
They should raid Michelle Obama’s wardrobe. Her fashion sense is a felony.
The odor would be too incapacitating.
And find all the tuck straps?
There seems to be a good deal of disagreement between many of us who comment here at LI, including some directed at our host Professor Jacobson. I spent a bit time working out what might be the source of the disagreement.
All of us see that there are disturbing things going on in our Nation, with our govt and in our institutions. My theory is that the disagreement lies in our perception of where we fall in the timeline of an analogous series of events. I chose the founding period as the overlay because of it’s familiarity and common context.
I believe we are roughly a year or so prior to the Boston Massacre. Some appear to believe that the raid on Monday was equivalent to Lexington and Concord. Others seem to believe we are at Bunker (Breeds) Hill.
The point is using that historical timeline and context allows us to better understand that the differing opinions are the result of individual perspective about the Nation’s current position relative to that historical timeline.
I remind you that all of the events I referenced occurred prior to Independence Day which means there is still time for attempts at reconciliation or to at least avert the worst aspects if a reconciliation isn’t ultimately possible.
Finally I will say that as a veteran of ground combat on multiple continents during and in the aftermath of civil conflict it would be preferable to avoid that if possible. We shouldn’t cower from a fight but we shouldn’t be too eager to create one either. Make it the last option.
You will not get to choose so easily. All, every bit of your combat experience was by choice, not because it was forced upon you. Every conflict we’ve been in since WW2 was a choice we made, and those are always outside on foreign soil.
There are no patriots in the republican party with a few exceptions. Mouthing words are of zero help. If you cannot figure out that they are coming for you, that Trump just represents Americans that they are determined to destroy, then god help us.
I’ll just add in case it’s not clear –
I have not, nor have I seen any serious attempt to suggest we should be taking up arms and marching on DC.
I wish we had elected officials that gave a damn, but it appears there are damn few that do.
We will get no choice in the end if something doesn’t change and change very soon. Perhaps the midterm elections will be overwhelming and impossible to cheat enough to overcome. But even then, who will be at the top? The same putrid and corrupt cabal of crooks currently there. Perhaps the movement on the totalitarian path will be delayed, but only a fool doesn’t recognize the path we are on.
Barry, history has shown that there are always too many fools for visionaries to overcome until it’s too late.
In the context of the time we’re living in, add complete corruption to the equation, and add a treasonous GOP (the likes of McConnell, etc.).
I have long said that secession is our only way out (that is, for the likes of us to remain free and happy). I still say it, because it beats war.
Yes, as have I. There is no reason to expect the country to remain a 50 state union. I am all for the breakup. They will slowly die off because they will be unable to define what a woman is, and while they are waiting on men to have the babies they’ll simply disappear.
The modern military has been so restrained by often times ridiculous rules of engagement mandated by politics, a civilian uprising won’t adhere to those type rules, Things could get ugly real quick.
“Why do they call them civil wars when they always are so extraordinarily uncivil?” – Elizabeth Fitch
That’s why the left/swamp is trying to make the military ‘woke’ (‘woke’, meaning homicidal towards Americans).
Barry,
Thank you for your reply. I would point out a few flaws in your analysis.
1. ‘Every ..conflict since WWII has been a choice’.
The national response in WWII to the Japanese attack was a choice. The political upheaval that would have accompanied a decision not to declare war on Japan would have been catastrophic but it was a choice, one I’m sure we all agree with, to declare war on Japan.
2. If instead of a National choice you meant a personal choice to serve and remain in service during a ‘war’ then you are in error. Lots of people got their ass drafted and sent to Vietnam. Likewise during the ‘war on terror’ everyone in the Army was subjected to ‘stop loss /stop move’. This meant their terms of enlistment were involuntarily extended and any reassignment to another unit was prevented. No personal choice.
3. As to my level of or capacity to appreciate or understand current events. I don’t know how much more clear I could be in choosing our founding period as the analogy. A series of escalating provocations by the govt of the day that eventually grew too great to be tolerated leading to conflict and the replacement of that govt. That’s the path we are on. I happen to believe we are much further away from the endpoint than some but that doesn’t mean we don’t equally acknowledge the path we are walking and it’s unfortunate endpoint if events don’t improve significantly.
I frankly doubt than anyone who frequents this site doesn’t at some level appreciate the potential dangers for our Nation. Some have even directly advocated secession, as you do.
I would point out that your protestations that you ‘haven’t suggested taking up arms’ is directly at odds with your advocacy for secession which by it’s very nature will require far more forceful direct action than mere advocacy as practical matter.
This brings us back to the beginning. Each of us perceive where we are on that timeline or pathway differently. Some of us retain hope that a catastrophic end can be averted, others seem resigned to it, while others seem to welcome it.
Bashing or belittling each other based some minor disagreement as to the exact location on the pathway which we all seem to agree we are on seems shortsighted to me. Especially so since none of us can prove which view is correct without the benefit of hindsight after the conclusion of future events, whatever they may be.
Sorry Chief, that’s a complete mis-characterization. The response to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was not a choice.
so, point 1 – gone
2) Nope, national choice. I don’t denigrate your service, drafted or not. I’ll admit that if you were drafted you didn’t get much of a choice, so I’m wrong about that. But I wasn’t referring to your personal choices.
As for your understanding of current events and your belief in the “timeline”, you get to believe whatever you wish, I get to believe whatever I wish, and we both get to express our beliefs, including criticizing the others.
I think you are wrong, dangerously so. And you think I am. But we are on the same side.
This is called a discussion and includes the bashing if any occurs. OTOH, I bash lots of marxists that show up here and I try to be reasonable with people I just disagree with on some point or other. People like you. I will of course, occasionally fail.
Barry,
Regarding the decision to declare war on Japan in the aftermath of Pearl Harbor you are incorrect. It was a choice, the correct one IMO, but it was a choice. Both houses of Congress quickly debated then voted for passage of the proposal to Declare War on the Empire of Japan on 8 Dec, 1941.
Congress exercised it’s Constitutional Power delegated to it in the list of enumerated powers contained in Art I, Sec 8. The vote was 82-0 in the Senate and 388-1 in the HoR. Only one member of the HoR opposed the declaration, the remainder made a choice to approve it. Those are facts which disprove your assertion and in no way mischaracterized your statement.
As to service, thanks for clarification that you meant National choice. However, that also undercuts your argument that WWII wasn’t a choice. Every war, even those authorized under something less formal than a declaration of war, has been a choice.
I wholeheartedly agree with you that we are, most of us anyway, on the same side but differ in our perspective as to where we are on the common pathway we perceive and whether a catastrophic end is inevitable or not. If you or someone else has an alternative analogy than our founding era then by all means put it forth.
I agree with you that debate and discussion are to be welcomed and are always a positive. Though I offer the caveat thatholds true so long as we don’t seek to substitute our opinion for a fact. When one begins asserting that a clear, unambiguous, provable fact is false that person is no longer acting in good faith. They are substituting their opinion with fact which makes a reasoned debate impossible because by doing so they are acting in emotion and a need to be right and no longer engaged in a collective search for the truth. They have rejected truth by their rejection of facts.
Discussion can certainly include bashing and belittling behavior but those elements also have their drawbacks. Ad Hominem attack is usually counter productive. It tends to be viewed as an indicator of the weakness of argument being offered, certainly that’s how I view it. It also violates the basic principles of persuasion our Mother’s taught us; catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
Your analysis reminds me of Ronald Reagan. Very enlightening, even if a bit weak in the punctuation department.
Most, if not all of us, were not calling for civil war. I began by pointing out that such raids are what trigger rebellions and civil wars in banana republics. It was an act of war. What I and most others were advocating were advocating is a day of RAGE to make sure our spineless Republicans feel the heat of our outrage. And that’s what happened.
Now we know even more about more Republicans who are NOT on board and probably never will be. No one suffered more damage, not only among voters but among fellow senators, than Cocaine Turtle. Trump has a shot at replacing enough senators to be a threat to him after November. He has to be wondering if he can count on his gang of squishes to be loyal to him in the face of the Trump Steamroller.
Phil,
Sometimes I honestly don’t think these people, our political opposition, understand us at all. It’s as if because they would act, respond, feel or believe X about a given issue or stimuli that they assume everyone else does or would as well. Their constant attempts at projecting their racism onto us for example. They don’t seem to grasp that our motivations are not their own.
We certainly have confirmed a good deal of our prior suspicions about both friend and foe. McConnell and Scott did just about what I expected; delivered a delayed, weak response or both. DeSantis among others didn’t hesitate to denounce the raid without mincing words also as expected.
I don’t think you did call nor did most others for civil strife. Many though were calling for what amounts to sky screaming as opposed to contacting Rep and Senators or the RNC to voice displeasure.
Our political opponents have once again successfully united us in opposition as well as smoked out the rino who would tolerate their shenanigans instead of being able to call a spade a spade.
The midterms will not be a red wave but instead a red wedding. Assuming our political opponents don’t manufacture a black swan between now and then in order to prevent what they now know is coming for them.
There are historians who believe Roosevelt know full well that the Japanese will respond to American sanctions by starting a war.
Biden’s puppeteers knew full well that if they push Putin too far, he’ll attack.
Both Roosevelt and Biden’s puppeteers got the wars they wanted.
Chief, baloney.
There was no choice but to engage the Japanese with their war. Trying to pretend otherwise because a vote was taken is just arguing a point not debatable. The japs bombed Pearl and we went to war.
This is a perfect example of your “minor disagreement”. No need to argue something so clear. And I’ll waste no more time on it.
From Barry
>>>Yes, as have I. There is no reason to expect the country to remain a 50 state union. I am all for the breakup.
The minute that happens, we will be speaking Chinese or Russian
Not if we leave with nuclear weapons, as did the Ukraine when it left the USSR. The fools gave the nukes back.
If the US were to disintegrate (as did the USSR), Ukraine will be lost to the Russians, Taiwan will be lost to the Communists, and the psychos in the Middle East will attack Israel.
That said, we’d be very happy here at home: no crime, no pedophiles, cheap energy, low taxes, low regulation, no leftist bullshit of any kind.
Well, I don’t speak chinese even though I have tried, visiting China a countless number of times. Russian I can muddle through, or I could at one point. I’ve been to the Ukraine, Belarus, and Moscow. Like the Ukrainians, despise everything in Belarus and Russia.
So, I’m not going to speak either one. I’ll continue to speak American English, and fight anything that tries to change that. I can speak two other languages quite well, although they are fading as I get older and no longer travel to French or Spanish speaking countries. I can get by in Germany and Switzerland.
Thanks for this. Points out the need for everyone to educate themselves about our history, and not rely on the “education” establishment to teach it.
There may not be any historical precedents for the era we are in.
Of course there is – just look at the USSR. Sure, there won’t be cookie-cutter examples, but humans are humans and a certain portion of humans are malignant bastards who start wars, and that’s why history repeats itself.
A society of the likes of all of us will prosper and will be very safe. On the other hand, the likes of states joining a confederation democrat states will be hellholes.
The fight over the video will be great. Release it right before the election.
Just as a side note. If Newsweek is to be believed a non LE person spied on the former President. Went through his personal residence and perused through classified documents so throughly they could identify them individually. Then went to the FBI and apparently confessed to violating the Espionage Act only to be converted into a “ confidential human source.” Or they recruited someone do it which without a warrant would be even more illegal. If this is so then WTF was the Secret Service doing?
“If Newsweek is to be believed”. There’s your answer.
+10
This is one of the many questions that will be addressed when ( and if) this gets revealed publicly.
I have seen this from several sources so lets “agree” for the moment this is not a made up out of whole cloth fabrication.
If this “alleged person” was an official plant (under color of law as an actor) that’s a BIG problem unless under another warrant authorizing it. (a different matter altogether which is NOT “illegal” if under an authorized search warrant during an investigation)
I have a problem believing a “civilian” (defined as a non govt actor with no detailed knowledge about the alleged classified material) just happened to be employed there, actually saw these things and had enough access to determine locations.
I am convinced this is a an op that has had some previous planning ( say 6 months-year) and is being executed on a schedule. I also believe that this is also a set up- just not quite sure of the full scope.
So many people thinking they were looking for some evidence to use against 45. Other people have speculated that they are looking for the information that 45 has against them. There are discussions about chain of custody and what not… I just hope it blows up on them… figuratively.
and I am reluctant to admit it.. this stuff is why we need lawyers. Take a bow,, all y’all.
Putting your faith in lawyers in a land of swamp judges is like trusting your safety to a Chihuahua in a jungle of lions.
Yes and no Henry. Right now I don’t have much faith in anyone,,, except maybe the writers here, and the Professor,, and that lawyer in the rightmost column, Ron.
With affirmative action, it’s become so bad that even at the local level, judges can no longer be trusted as a group.
“The law is an ass,” as Charles Dickens brilliantly observed. Having said that, I work for lawyers. I’ve seen some great things from them. If one needs an attorney, a good one is invaluable. However, I’ve also seen the ones who give the profession the reputation they have. DC is full of them.
Now the fucks are actually trying to claim that they wanted this to be ‘low profile’, by waiting until Trump was out of the state to do it.
It’s either a laughably ridiculous lie, or the truth demonstrating that they are SO FUCKING STUPD that they actually thought that they could execute an armed raid on a former President with a mouth and following as big as Trump and have it be anything other than front page news for days.
I also notice that not a single one of those fabled ‘good men and women’ from the FBI have come forward to condemn this.
“laughably ridiculous lie”, they waited for trump to be gone for only one reason –
Trump standing outside with the FBI inside would have made this even worse, and they know it.
There are no “good men and women” in the FBI. Maybe there was once even though it has always been a corrupt organization.
We’re at war, Olinser, We’re at war. It’s just the intensity that’s deceiving. You just wait….
The probability they planted evidence is greater than zero. Given the FBI”s recent history it is not something you can dismiss out of hand. After all, they doctored documents to get a warrant to spy on his campaign.
But it seems much likelier to me they bugged the place. According to Newsweek it was a priority to conduct the raid when Trump was not expected to be there.
If Trump has not already had the best security firm in the nation sweep the place for hidden electronic devices, he’s wrong.
Sending in a mole? How Michigan of them.
Unfortunately, Trump’s entire Presidency was full of moles or secret subversives.
Any normal person would be completely paranoid about such things by now.
Trump won’t make the same error again. Remember: not even WE thought the GOP was COMPLETELY full of treasonous rats.
Speaking of rats, where is Ronna Romney McDaniels (She’s the GOP Chairwoman, remember?) WHAT THE F**K IS SHE DOING ????
That downtick is in error. Sorry…
Garland is, allegedly, claiming he had no prior knowledge of, and was not asked to approve, the raid. It was all run by the FBI, and approved by Chris Wray. According to unnamed senior Justice Department sources.
Who could possibly believe that?
Who could possibly believe that? Garland.
If Garland is lying about not knowing, it’s bad. If he is telling the truth…it’s even worse. Either way, he is toast.
Toast? How? He’s not going anywhere for at least another two years and about 6 months.
Garland is a fascist swine, and as big a money grubber as any corrupt democrat politician.
https://nypost.com/2021/10/13/critical-race-theory-firm-linked-to-ag-garlands-kin-serves-schoolscompany-co-founded-by-ag-garlands-son-in-law-serves-over-20k-schools/
Did you know Garland is worth TWENTY MILLION DOLLARS?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2021/08/06/how-attorney-general-merrick-garland-amassed-a-20-million-fortune/?sh=245488eea042
People who are blindly loyal to the regime.
Infantile narcissist who never want to be wrong, no matter what.
Umm, the U.S. Attorney works for the DoJ, which is run by Garland. So Garland is claiming that some junior lawyer made that incredibly huge and unprecedented call for the DoJ.
Yeah… no. Nice try Garland. As Congressman Jordan said, retain all your paperwork and keep your schedule open after the election.
As with Fast and Furious…this will be pinned on “rogue agents”. The raid wasn’t a failure…it was a hard probe and reminder of whose is top dog. The FBI is a generic agency that would function as is under any regime in history. ANY regime.
Keep in mind that the (Republican) senator who was charged with investigating Fast and Furious (and let’s give him a hand, folks, wasn’t it a great job?!) is coincidentally one of the same senators who confirmed Merrick Garland.
It’s a big club, and they’re practically all in it.
You, however, are not.
According to Newsweek the DoJ “insists, though, that Garland had no prior knowledge of the date and time of the specific raid, nor was he asked to approve it.”
That’s not saying he didn’t know about or approve the action.
Then he should immediately fire Christopher Wray. If he refuses, HE should be fired. Hell, fire them both right now and keep going.
Now Wray has come out and denounced the raid. Let the firings begin. Republicans in Congress should be demanding an immediate hearing to investigate these people to freeze them in place. They should also introduce TODAY a bill to rescind the funding for the 87,000 new agents and their weapons.
“Now Wray has come out and denounced the raid.”
Where do you find this?
I see nothing more than Wray threatening every American in the country.
Breitbart start this morning with the article where Garland blames Wray and the next story headlined that Wray had come out and denounced the raid. The former is still there but I don’t see the later. Either they took it down or modified it into Wray citing receiving death threats.
OK, thanks.
I think we can assume it didn’t happen.
Garland may be telling the truth. If he already gave his marching orders to the FBI and the US Attys, to “get Trump and all Trump Republicans in any way you can, by whatever means necessary so they can never hold power again”, then he would not have to approve any specific action in advance. He already gave his approval and delegated the responsibility to Wray and the US Attys. At least that is they way I read his statement. Remember, Democrats are like the Clintons. They parse statements carefully, so they are technically correct, but misleading.
Willing to bet the FBI bugged the helluva that place.
Yes, like no place in history has ever been bugged. It has to be demolished and rebuilt. I hope Trump starts a fund to do it.
Many of the locals objected to Trump owning Mar a Lago from day one, it would make them very happy to see him gone. Not sure if it is on any historical registry that would prevent any demolition.
You left out “marxist” in the locals description. Read the story.
Who, besides you?
I wonder if the FBI’s Raiders of Melania’s panties went into her hamper to get some dirty ones for Merrick. Melania’s dirty panties for ol’ Merrick was probably the whole point of the operation.
Did you type that one-handed?
/Your comment reads like something from Gateway, or Citizen Free Press.
I don’t know what “Gateway” or “Citizen Free Press” are. But guessing that obese, hirsute, sexually confused keyboard warriors peruse them?
“…like something from Gateway, or Citizen Free Press.”
Both 100% more reliable than CBS/ABC/NBC/CNN/etc.
I think the comment is spot on. Well, I retract that, he left out the #1 sniffer, potato biden. Perhaps Garland will share.
I’ll go further: WHEN has Gateway or CFR ever been WRONG??
Not once that I know of.
Compare to the propaganda and lies from CBS/ABC/NBC/CNN/etc.
They all get something wrong sometime. But the mainstream news are liars and lie about everything. They are owned by the government.
Where is DeSantis?
This happened in his state. Nothing, not a word. Blackmail.
He’s the state governor. There is absolutely not one thing he can do about an FBI operation within the state’s territory. He has no authority over the FBI. Any state officer who tried to arrest an FBI agent for violating state law would himself be arrested, if not shot. Federal law authorizes the FBI to do its thing (assuming the warrant at least appeared on its face to be valid), and that overrides all state laws to the contrary.
This says otherwise.
So does this.
And this just reminds us of what the Democrats have taught us — there’s de jure, and there’s de facto, and sometimes you win with only the latter.
A comic, and a sovereign-citizen-type nutcase web site.
@Henry,
No, that just isn’t so and there are volumes of case law backing it up.
That’s all contingent (and Milhouse pointed this out as the qualifier- his post is 100% correct) on the Federal agency/agent LAWFULLY executing a VALID warrant.
What the hell is wrong with you people?
“LAWFULLY executing a VALID warrant.”
Where the hell have you been? Russia/russia/russia, an illegal investigation with evidence planted, false allegations, and on and on and on. And you give the fucking FBI cover by suggesting they do anything in a legal manner? Hell, the damn bastard Comey brags about the illegal stuff, including removing government documents and turning them over to the press. How about Ruby Ridge where the government FBI murdered people? The list is so long I don’t have the hours it would take to type it up.
The FBI is a corrupt and criminal organization. Any governor that doesn’t take action to defend a citizen of their state from illegal and corrupt FBI activity isn’t worth spit.
5-6 years of illegal activity, documented, and how many of the FBI are serving time for their criminal activity?
And the last 5-6 years are just the tip of the iceberg.
Like how California is not allowed to ignore a federal agency, ICE.
Hey, milhouse is fine with ignoring the feds as long as it serves the cause of the marxists.
I do believe the state of California threatened to arrest any ICE agent trying to do his federal job.
But not Florida, we cannot ignore the feds because we hate Donald Trump and that is a good enough reason to raid his home and make it legal.
Besides, we all know the FBI never breaks the law and all their warrants are valid.
DeSantis condemned it. Easily found on a web search.
Yes, and as I was hoping in my very first comment on this, he was among the very first to do so.
Weakly, didn’t even mention President Trump by name
Really? That’s all you’ve got? How exactly does that diminish what he said? Do you really believe he was insincere? Maybe he was referring to that other Mar-a-Lago mansion that was raided by the KGB that day?
DeSantis Says Trump Raid Example of Federal Agencies Being Weaponized:
https://floridianpress.com/2022/08/desantis-says-trump-raid-example-of-federal-agencies-being-weaponized/
Don’t EVER bother Googling something like this, because Google censors it. Use a duckduckgo.com’s search instead.
Well apparently you DeSantis fans don’t know what condemnation is.
Did he mention the Trump? Did he mention an out of control and corrupt FBI? Did he use his official state account?
Here it is, from his personal account, not his governors account:
“The raid of MAL is another escalation in the weaponization of federal agencies against the Regime’s political opponents, while people like Hunter Biden get treated with kid gloves,” “Now the Regime is getting another 87k IRS agents to wield against its adversaries? Banana Republic.”
No wonder we lose.
And that’s it, unless he has popped up responding to the politics, in which case I may have missed it.
Like Fox news ( a deep state controlled and operated group) I’ll just ignore the Florida governor from now on. He is all show, all political posturing.
The question to be asked is if the sheriff can do anything. They wield a lot of power when they have the fortitude to do so. DeSantis is not in a position to do anything.
Against the FBI?! If a sheriff tries to interfere with the FBI he’ll be arrested.
Or the sheriff could arrest a corrupt FBI agent.
The answer is:
IF this is a LEGAL FEDERAL WARRANT for a LEGITIMATE OP then there is nothing the governor or Sheriff can do. (lets define that- nothing they can do to stop or interfere with it)
OBSERVATION and documentation is a different matter. (that would require some form of trigger or legitimate justification beyond general suspicion)
What I do believe is going to come back to haunt the FBI is refusing Trump’s counsel and rep to observe and witness and not surrender a copy of the warrant.
I have a “theory” on that because I cannot accept the FBI is “stupid” ( by the Webster definition of the word and not to be a synonym for evil, malicious, and all that)
It will NOT surprise me that there is a “secret” case going on ( like Russia gate or covered under National Security to keep it hidden) and there were TWO warrants being executed simultaneously and the “classified documents” stuff is a red herring.
DeSantis has the state police.
Did DeSantis recently suspend a DA? Why yes he did. He’s not some toothless governor. He has power to effect every FBI office in the state of Florida just as every governor has. Pretending we all have to prostrate ourselves in the face of the FBI is what gets us here.
Do you think the state authorities co-operated with the FBI on this raid?
Of course they did.
Tell me exactly who and how “they” cooperated?
Prove they didn’t.
I do not have that information. I assume it is true, because the state always cooperates with the feds and because DeSantis is in hiding.
Busts your little Floridian governor bubble. But there it is, where is he? He’s hiding.
Why keep the lawyers out? Because they were looking in places and at things their warrant doesn’t cover. For similar reasons, they wanted the internal cameras shut off.
Saw one report that there was not an inventory of what was taken. Even if the search warrant was otherwise legitimate, does that (if true) raise 4th Amendment questions?
Yes. No chain of custody.
Be very careful about taking “reports” at face value on things like this
Appears the warrant listed his safe meaning their CI claimed incriminating evidence was in it. They even brought their own safecracker along to open it so they cold get the goods. LOL it was as empty as Geraldos Al Capone Vault. The warrant failed right there. It was based upon the claims of their CI. They then went nuts looking for whatever they claimed was in the safe it appears.
Anyone who doesn’t yet understand why yesterday’s day of rage was necessary….
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/08/10/deep-state-infighting-doj-fingers-fbi-for-mar-a-lago-raid-disaster/
If it hadn’t been for the loud explosion of outrage, this would have been swept under the rug with the Republicans off the hook AGAIN! Now those who kept quiet yesterday, McConnell and several other NeverTrumpers had to reluctantly speak up.
This may not be the time for a call for insurrection but it certainly is NOT a time for murmuring quietly somewhere in a dark corner like a mouse.
Andrew Mccarthy a very savvy ex federal prosector explained that the FBI can and does request warrants with request to the commission of crime A and that once that warrant is signed they can search for evidence relative to the probable commission of crime B. This raid was a pretext for looking for anything renotely relevant to 1/6/21 . If the boxes seized had any such evidence the legacy media would have been blaring about it
Andrew McCarthy is a nevertrumper, working with national review and fox news to cover up the crimes of the government.
FIFY
True. Sometimes he veers away from ‘orange man bad’ ever so slightly but like every Never Trump talking head he can be counted on to swiftly reverse course to the establishment’s true religion; their disdain and fear of any who oppose their preference for an authoritarian, technocratic regime with themselves at the helm and the rest of us as docile, disarmed serfs serving their neo feudal autocracy.
Perhaps it was not so much about collecting evidence against Trump….but retrieving evidence against Biden, Clinton, Obama and/or any of the other corruptocrats.
That was my thought- and a headline on The Gateway Pundit:
HUGE DEVELOPMENT: Report Alleges FBI “Had Personal Stake” in Mar-a-Lago Raid – Agents Were After Spygate Documents Trump Was Holding That Likely Implicated FBI
Link: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/08/huge-development-report-shows-fbi-personal-stake-mar-lago-raid-agents-spygate-documents-trump-holding-likely-indicted-fbi/
This article by Andrew McCCarthy https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/08/the-fbis-mar-a-lago-raid-its-about-the-capitol-riot-not-the-mishandling-of-classified-information/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email is must reading and sets forth in excellent manner the completely pretextual nature of the raid
National Review
The neverTrumper magazine for the deep state. All marxists. Every damn one.
Someone help me with this one, since all the knowledge I have of US law comes from TV shows and movies.
Isn’t anything unrelated to what’s specifically named in the warrant unusable in court, in any trial related or unrelated? Like in, illegaly obtained?
That’s not a 1 line answer ad none of these are absolutes. A very long and complex subject with many special cases BUT IN GENERAL……
They cannot “confiscate” anything outright that’s not specifically noted in a warrant ( there are allowances for judgment calls)
Also, they cannot look in places where the designated items obviously cannot be. (If they are looking for a stolen pick up truck they cant open your jewelry box to see if its in there) There is some leeway on that as well.
However, there is “plain view”, Inevitable discovery and “reasonable suspicion” that is used a lot during the execution of a warrant.
I have a warrant for a stolen ring and open your jewelry box and discover the bloody knife- that’s legal.
If I walk in executing the warrant for your tax returns and there are 10 keys of coke on the table for all to see I can do that too.
If you are acting suspicious about a “room” or object- I can do that too.
All the circumstances, special qualifiers, exceptions and conditions cannot be listed in a post but hopefully that gives you a rough idea.
Unfortunately there are two problems with the shows/movies for legal info:
1) It’s typically fiction, nothing should be taken as true (but you know this)
2) We don’t have a country of law anymore, so whatever is written is meaningless
yes, unless it’s in plain view. Like if your warrant is for stolen watches and you see a kilo of cocaine on the kitchen table.
Even that has qualifiers. If Hunter Biden is at the table with the coke, it’s off limits.
+1000
Thorough summary of the background for this search and seizure, by John Solomon.
https://www.sott.net/article/470883-Questions-grow-about-Trump-raid-after-revelation-of-grand-jury-subpoena-extensive-cooperation
I doubt that silly pre coup rules of procedure and evidence amount to a hill of beans at this point. It really appears that they are kaput and relics of the free USA. Times have changed. Do not rely on the Bill of Rights or the Constitution any more. They threw that out with Hunters Bathwater. Prepare for ‘The Witness Behind the Screen’. Evidence will not be made public nor will the Witnesses.
Been thinking. Trump knew the feds surveilled(bugged) him in 2016. And his sons. And they’re after him even more now.
Knowing how shrewd he is, I’m thinking he set the FBI up on this whole raid thing. Say he and Don Jr. put their heads together at the golf tournament last week and plan a phone conversation—guessing it will be monitored. …….
Jr., “What’d you do with that ‘stuff’ Dad?”
Trump, “It’s hidden in my safe and in Melania’s underwear drawer in Palm Beach”
Bingo
FBI goes nuts!
Guaranteed reelection
We can hope. But I don’t he’s that “shrewd” or smart. Hillary would be.
Confidential informant allegedly knew what ‘illegal’ papers Trump had and where he put them.
And yet it took 30 agents 10 hours to find them? And the safe they cracked open was reportedly empty?
Something doesn’t smell right.
Which is been the characteristic odor of every Trump related bit of BS coming from the FBI and ‘anonymous sources’ for the past 6-7 years.
But this time it will be different, right? Just like the last hundred times.
Just like the last
hundredthousand times.FIFY
The raid was not about documents—that issue was being resolved by discussion just as it has with many other presidents. The documents are a convenient pretext for the Stasi (fka FBI) to get into President Trump’s home and rummage around, hoping to find something, anything, with which to block his candidacy. Democrats have gone full fascist, and with 87,000 more IRS goons and the Stasi policing parents at school board meetings and other patriots are gearing up to come for the rest of us.
Essentially, the DoD by and with the National Security Agency (NSA) creates new Gold Codes (an identerfier card called “the biscuit” — usually kept on the president’s person) and “Nuclear Football” for the incoming president. In fact, it’s highly likely that backup footballs are created in case the old one is lost or damaged. There is a process for activating and/or deactivating a football that likely is very seamless. Its changed when a new POTUS takes office, every 3 months or the second that someone thinks its becomes unsecure. Bill Clinton actually lost one of his. It has never been found.
The nuclear codes story is totally bogus, as the codes have been change a half a dozen times since Trump left office.