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Russia Wants to Leave the International Space Station After 2024 and Make Its Own

Russia Wants to Leave the International Space Station After 2024 and Make Its Own

Will we one day in the future say, “That’s no moon. That’s a space station.”

Russia’s federal space agency Roscosmos announced the country wants to abandon the International Space Station (ISS) after 2024 and build its own space station:

Roscosmos leadership has been threatening to pull out of the International Space Station for months, stating that Western sanctions will “destroy” Russian cooperation aboard the orbital lab. While those threats have been numerous and inflammatory, they have yet to sound as definitive as the latest proclamation made by the new Roscosmos chief. “The decision to leave the station after 2024 has been made,” the current head of Roscosmos, Yuri Borisov, said(opens in new tab), according to the Associated Press.

“That is very recent news, and so we haven’t heard anything officially,” said Kjell Lindgren, a NASA astronaut currently aboard the ISS while speaking at the 11th annual International Space Station Research and Development Conference (ISSRDC(opens in new tab)) on Tuesday (July 26). Lindgren currently serves as commander of the NASA SpaceX Crew-4 mission. “Of course, you know, we were trained to do a mission up here and that mission is one that requires the whole crew and so we continue to work every day to conduct the science and research that we’ve been trained to conduct,” he continued. “As a crew we continue to work towards success and that is everybody working together to make sure we’re accomplishing the science and keeping the crew and the vehicle safe.”

NASA, Roscosmos, the European Space Agency (ESA), and other space agencies run ISS together.

So Russia wants its own space station. Strong Star Wars vibe, you guys.

Americans are not surprised but glad Russia will give them time to adjust schedules:

In an emailed statement, Scott Pace, who served as deputy assistant to the President and Executive Secretary of the National Space Council from 2017-2020, wrote that Russia’s announcement is “not a surprise” and that “reiterating their current commitment through 2024 is helpful for planning.”

Pace added that “what comes after 2024 is still very unknown, however, and the real question is when do in-depth technical discussions begin for *how* the transition will be managed (rather then whether there will be a transition). Among the considerations will be maintaining the Station’s altitude in the future, replacing ground communications support from Moscow, and disposition of Russian assets currently attached to the Station. Beyond the Station, it remains to be seen whether the Russians will be able to launch and maintain their own, smaller, station.”

The escalation of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has strained relations, even regarding space. The tensions disrupted “several missions” between Russia and the West.

Around a month after the escalation, the ESA announced “it would suspend its cooperation with Roscosmos for the remainder of their joint ExoMars mission.”

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taurus the judge | July 27, 2022 at 8:06 am

This sounds more to me like a Sputnik propaganda op.

They know we are in a state of internal turmoil and are milking it.

    DSHornet in reply to taurus the judge. | July 27, 2022 at 9:33 am

    With the shape Russia is in, they couldn’t afford to launch a Sputnik. They’re trying to get a rise out of NASA and ESA, nothing more than that.
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    MattMusson in reply to taurus the judge. | July 27, 2022 at 1:19 pm

    Russia is facing a critical skills shortage. And, it is especially acute in Engineering.

    After the USSR collapsed, Russian Engineering programs became soley lecture degrees with no practical labs. The new cadre of engineers are not fully trained. And, Russia will have to give up things like rockets and aerospace to keep the lights on.

With the technological brain drain Russia has experienced lately, this goal may be quite difficult.

NASA is no longer the intellectual powerhouse that it once was. That is because its mission has been polluted with the same “social justice” concerns as our higher education system.

This is a fatal mistake for any project involving engineering. We’ll see something along the lines of the Shuttle disaster from this organization.

The Russian posturing over the war in Ukraine is just a side show.

    Barry in reply to Valerie. | July 27, 2022 at 7:36 pm

    “NASA is no longer the intellectual powerhouse that it once was.”

    They don’t need to be, they have Elon Musk to provide.

    NASA is not the NASA of the sixties, but dust off the veneer of BS provided by progressive regressive government, and down deep in the bowels there are still quite talented engineers, physicists, biologists, and chemists, among others.

    NASA routinely brings in technical consultants from industry. Their project management / procurement arm solicits feasibility studies, R&D contracts, etc. from the likes of Boeing, Lockheed, Martin Marietta, United Technologies. Kind of an incestuous bunch – the one gets a production contract and the other is a systems integrator / logistics / maintenance and repair contractor. NASA for example would delegate procurement control to the AFPRO office who were on the GSA wage scale. I can’t say I ever met an actual NASA employee despite supporting several of their production programs over the years as a QA field rep for Boeing, and that included a stint in Huntsville working on the ISS. Truly exciting stuff: pressure equalizing valves, a veritable boat-load of high-pressure hoses, machined parts, software, etc. Yawn. Paid the bills.

      Barry in reply to MrE. | July 27, 2022 at 11:08 pm

      “Kind of an incestuous bunch…”

      This is true. It also got the USA to the moon first and only. Sometimes one must put up with companies making a profit in the race in order to win the race.

      I have a friend that worked on the space shuttle fuel systems, as a contractor of course.

This could be a major step in the right direction for Russia because unlike making military hardware that echoes western equivalents exactly (i.e the way the MIG 29 is in performance just an F 16) but which they could only build a handful of building and maintaining a space station requires major innovations that will impact civilian life and actually help grow their economy through new inventions and new manufacturing opportunities.

Russia lags behind because their talent (of which they have a lot just look at various math and science international competition and education results) is too busy building 4-10 F 35s (well not an F35 just equivalent to early versions of it) to build anything useful, or that would give Russians a distraction to past humiliations.

Not saying the space station will transform Russia only that it could and a transformed Russia would be a much less warlike Russia.

    Barry in reply to Danny. | July 27, 2022 at 7:32 pm

    “…a transformed Russia would be a much less warlike Russia.”

    Says CCP owned Danny.

    Russia will not build a space station. Period. And they will always be warlike because they are Russians, perpetually bluffing that they are something they are not.

      Danny in reply to Barry. | July 27, 2022 at 10:02 pm

      Glad to know you don’t think Germany and Japan transforming their industrial sector and taking their talent from designing warplanes, weapons and warships to actual useful things transformed their culture at all; yup the Japanese are the same as when the Mitsubishi corporation was best known for the Mitsubishi Zero and Japanese dockyards best known for ships like the Yamato and Musashi instead of being the source of countless cargo ships.

      Yep the German mindset is the same as when the Panzer IV stormed across France and Africa…..

      OH WAIT their going through exactly the transition I am hoping Russia does changed those societies dramatically.

      You really are a POS and you know it.

      By the way saying

      “And they will always be warlike because they are Russians, perpetually bluffing that they are something they are not.”

      Is the text book definition of racism you POS.

      I am hoping they are serious and that this time instead of leading to nothing due to central control of their economy as happened in the USSR this leads to a Russian economy dedicated to material wellbeing instead of a couple of planes equivalent to the F35.

        Barry in reply to Danny. | July 27, 2022 at 11:05 pm

        Aww, ain’t Danny CCP cute when his face gets all red and he calls someone racist like all the other democrats do.

        Perhaps when you’ve studied Russian history as I have, and employed a Russian secretary that got out before the iron curtain fell, you’ll know something about Russians.

        Who are we kidding, you are a CCP plant, and as such incapable of understanding russians or their history.

        Here’s a hint for you, as far back as year zero, the russians have been serfs, they survived by being obedient, that is their DNA.

        And screw your racist feelings. CCP sympathizers like you are common murderers.

          Danny in reply to Barry. | July 28, 2022 at 10:23 am

          You have neither studied Russian history, nor anything else you have a couple of jingoistic lines you rehearse.

          You keep slandering me and yes calling someone a paid agent of the CCP is not claiming a mere opinion. You don’t gain any points with anyone by doing it all you do is confirm to everyone you are a POS.

          Claiming someone will always be a certain way because of their race/ethnicity is part of the text book definition of racism, and you would have been called racist scum by any 20th century Republican for your statement.

          Scum like you led by George W Bush took over the Republican Party and caused worldwide catastrophe (including the rise of the left in America and Europe).

          I am hoping things like you never again get any kind of power.

          Like Alexander the Great I prefer people based on them as individuals not based on their race. Your using “I have Russian friends” as a defense to a racist comment about Russians shows you really don’t know anything.

          You hate me because I called you out for making jingoistic comments that we need to avoid risk assessments (you know the thing that kept Eisenhower from protecting Hungary) and step all over other peoples red lines.

          That has been what we did for the last decades and it has been a disaster in all cases. Lets actually start using brainpower again.

          By the way things like you are the only example of a mass ideological purge in Republican Party history when conservative purged your kind from our ranks. The results of that purge-We won repeatedly afterwards.

          We should repeat it, America doesn’t want reckless war mongering.

          Barry in reply to Barry. | July 28, 2022 at 11:17 am

          LOL, your are the dumbest SOB I’ve seen on this blog, and that is saying something.

          If you weren’t a CCP plant it would be you who is the Bush party true believer. But then hey, Bush is owned by the chinese as well.

          I hate you because I know what you are. You are a promoter of everything Chinese, paid by the CCP.

          As for your stupid cry’s of racism and jingoism, they are just laughable bullshit that marxists like you scream and whine about when called out for your lies and marxist promotion.

        Barry in reply to Danny. | July 27, 2022 at 11:13 pm

        “Yep the German mindset…”

        is one that will be freezing and in the dark this winter.

        Of course the russians are always freezing and in the dark because it is an impoverished country that has made little to no progress after the Soviet Union collapse. They trade one master for another, just like they have done since the dawn of history.

        The germans will be joining then shortly. They like to be told what to do, too. Maybe that makes me a double racist.

          Danny in reply to Barry. | July 28, 2022 at 10:15 am

          I am glad you revealed yourself again to be a POS by denying that the German mindset in this age of Germany building useful things is vastly superior to the German mindset when it tried to conquer Europe and killed by the tens of millions.

          Barry in reply to Barry. | July 28, 2022 at 11:19 am

          You have revealed yourself as a CCP owned troll, and a lover of communism, including the russian brand.

          The germans will soon be in the dark and cold. They may be joined by the Texans.

        healthguyfsu in reply to Danny. | July 28, 2022 at 1:09 am

        You lost most everyone when saying that Germany is going through a ‘good transition’, much less how Russia is supposed to become magically peaceful whilst engaged in a war.

          German culture shifted in the post war when we made sure its industry shifted away from weapons of war to actual useful things.

          I am suggesting that work on space programs could end up doing the same for Russia and that is a positive thing.

          In context I think it was clear I meant they went through the same transition (unless you think Japan is a politically correct leftist state like Germany).

          The magic is that right now Russia has options besides selling raw material to the west and a culture with an industry based around war will be warlike.

          A culture with an actual useful industry however will as demonstrated by Germany and Japan….not so much.

          A space program means many new industrial developments and innovations likely leading to new civilian industries, ones that aren’t selling guns to warlords.

          CCP Danny is either not bright enough to know that russia see’s space as a military conquest only, or is cheerleading the efforts of the enemy.

          Or both.

Good riddance. Co-operating with Russia is a path to poverty.

    healthguyfsu in reply to Barry. | July 28, 2022 at 1:11 am

    I’ll say this. Cosmonauts are some of the coolest people on the planet.

    Imagine the nerves of steel required to ride into space on a Russian built rocket ship.

healthguyfsu | July 27, 2022 at 10:46 pm

Yawn

But I do notice how this escalation continues unfettered under a weak potus with a weak party in power.

Trump was very good at convincing his enemies that even uneasy peace is more profitable for all parties than drawn out wars.

    Trump was very good at most everything. There is little one can find in the Trump policy that wasn’t successful. It was all designed to be good for the average American.

    Contrast with the CCP owned cabal now in power.

      healthguyfsu in reply to Barry. | July 28, 2022 at 1:04 am

      The first stimulus bill?

      Hiring attorneys general?

      Endorsing candidates like Oz and Moore?

        Barry in reply to healthguyfsu. | July 28, 2022 at 1:44 am

        “most” everything imply’s not everything. But you make a fair point.

        AG’s, who new Sessions was going to turn out as a deep state kook?
        Perhaps Barr should have been considered bad, but then you cannot get your choice without senate approval. That is the problem, it’s not Trumps exclusive choice.

        Candidate endorsements – I’ll take a couple bad ones with the overwhelming number of good ones. It’s like a 100:1 ratio, way better than anyone else has done.

        Trump isn’t perfect, he’s just better than any other president in my lifetime with the possible exception of Eisenhower. But Ike had a real party backing him, Trump had a traitorous party of snakes “behind” him.

        You know why we don’t talk about Bush’s (pick one) bad choices very much?

        Because Bush (pick one) was the really bad part of the presidency.