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Trump Withdraws Endorsement of Alabama Senate Candidate Mo Brooks

Trump Withdraws Endorsement of Alabama Senate Candidate Mo Brooks

“Mo Brooks of Alabama made a horrible mistake recently when he went ‘woke’ and stated, referring to the 2020 Presidential Election Scam, ‘Put that behind you, put that behind you,’ despite the fact that the Election was rife with fraud and irregularities.”

President Donald Trump withdrew his endorsement of Alabama senate candidate Rep. Mo Brooks because he told people to put the 2020 election behind them.

Brooks made the comments at a Trump rally in Alabama about seven months ago.

Trump wrote:

Mo Brooks of Alabama made a horrible mistake recently when he went “woke” and stated, referring to the 2020 Presidential Election Scam, “Put that behind you, put that behind you,” despite the fact that the Election was rife with fraud and irregularities. If we forget, the Radical Left Democrats will continue to Cheat and Steal Elections. Just look at what is happening in Wisconsin, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and elsewhere, but tremendous progress has been made that will help us in 2022 and 2024. The 2020 Election was rigged, and we can’t let them get away with it.

Brooks is running for the seat held by retiring Sen. Richard Shelby. He faces Katie Britt, Shelby’s former chief of staff, and Mike Durant, a businessman and military veteran, in the GOP primary.

Trump claimed Brooks’s new campaign staff told him to “stop talking about the 2020 Election,” which led to his dwindling poll numbers:

When I endorsed Mo Brooks, he took a 44-point lead and was unstoppable. He then hired a new campaign staff who “brilliantly” convinced him to “stop talking about the 2020 Election.” He listened to them. Then, according to the polls, Mo’s 44-point lead totally evaporated all based on his “2020” statement made at our massive rally in Cullman, Alabama. When I heard his statement, I said, “Mo, you just blew the Election, and there’s nothing you can do about it.” Very sad, but since he decided to go in another direction, so have I, and I am hereby withdrawing my Endorsement of Mo Brooks for the Senate. I don’t think the great people of Alabama will disagree with me. Election Fraud must be captured and stopped, or we won’t have a Country anymore. I will be making a new Endorsement in the near future!

The Trump rally took place the week of August 22. An Alabama Daily News poll conducted that week found Brooks leading the pack at 40.8%. Britt followed at 17.7%.

However, Brooks’s lead did not drop right after the rally. In October, two months after the rally, a Club for Growth PAC poll found that Brooks had a 55% lead over Britt at 12%.

Brooks’s lead seemed to fall apart in January 2022.

A Club for Growth PAC poll conducted between January 25-27 saw Brooks slip to 35% with Durant coming in second at 30% and Britt in third with 25%.

Yikes.

The latest Alabama Daily News/Gray Television poll shows 34.6% of likely Republicans choose Durant. Britt is in second at 28.4%.

Brooks is now in third with only 16.1% of those voters choosing him.

Alabama Daily News noted that the fall comes after weeks of ads attacking Brooks, “most notably comments he made in opposition to former President Donald Trump during the 2016 Republican presidential primary.”

So maybe it’s not Brooks’s remarks at the August rally but the fact that he opposed Trump in 2016.

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Are there ANY Alabama Republicans who don’t talk out of both sides of their mouths? This was a slam dunk for Brooks but no, he hires a squish consultant whose top priority was for Brooks to distance himself from Trump. Sure, “America First” and MAGA labels but nothing but fog in the messaging. Good luck being the Cocaine Turtle’s candidate!

    healthguyfsu in reply to Pasadena Phil. | March 23, 2022 at 4:12 pm

    The answer to your question is inconclusive but as the article states, dirt on his 2016 statements about Trump may be the bigger problem…or the two events combined.

    I know we dont’ agree on whether Trump should run again (I think there are definite states where Trump could be in Congress but he won’t poll well as POTUS)

    Regardless, the MO for GOPers who want conservative votes is pretty simple:
    1. Don’t disparage Trump
    2. Don’t support wokeness or squish towards “inclusivity” at the expense of principles.
    3. Promise to oppose both the left AND the Romney types of the party.

    CommoChief in reply to Pasadena Phil. | March 23, 2022 at 4:40 pm

    There are several forces at play here in Bama. The State establishment of both parties are more or less don’t rock the boat and mess up the grift types. They work to a large degree as a uniparty to scratch each others back. Shelby has held his seat since 1986, defeating r Jeremiah Denton, a POW and Admiral, as a blue dog democrat. Shelby switched to r in 1994. That sort of career path is pretty common for the r establishment; once it became ‘safe’ to switch parties they did so. Same with younger establishment pols like Britt as his former chief of staff and campaigning for the seat; the current power structure and path to office is r so that’s where they run. If the d/prog were in power they would run there.

    At root BAMA is about a 60/40 red/blue State but with a large middle overlap between them. The rural/urban divide is a better predictor of votes. We do have two severe squish r HoR Aderholt and Rogers. The rest are merely ok to good. Brooks is ok. IMO, he is the victim of timing as he was the best candidate in the special election to replace Sessions. That was the race with Roy Moore and Doug Jones. McConnell backed with lots of money an establishment candidate in the primary and the
    rural electorate got their back up and voted for the least establishment candidate; Roy Moore who is a loon and managed to lose to Jones.

    Brooks made a mistake in attempting to run for Senate this year. He abandoned a HoR seat he could have held. He had his shot and couldn’t close the sale. This is a race between Mike Durant; the Army Helicopter pilot shot down in Mogadishu and Britt. Durant is picking up steam and may be able to overcome the establishment choice in Britt. I hope so.

      Is Durant a good candidate? He sounds like he might be. It might be a good break that Brooks self-destructed. His main claim on Trump was that he was a loyal supporter in the House when Trump was President. But the House is easy to appear to be something you are not. The Senate is another story.

        CommoChief in reply to Pasadena Phil. | March 23, 2022 at 6:23 pm

        First time candidate. Retired Army Aviator, assigned to 160th AVN BN (this is the aviation unit that supports SPEC OPS). Came home and started an aviation business in Huntsville.

        So he checks a number of boxes but no voting record. Does that make him a good candidate? I hope so, he’s the non establishment choice in the primary which for all practical purposes is the election.

          With a Trump endorsement, he would be off to a great start and in debt to Trump. He would be one solid vote against McConnell returning as Senate Majority leader. McConnell will be retired by the time Durant runs for re-election, both McConnell and Trump (if he runs) will be retired. But he would have caught a strong wave just as the momentum shifted away from The Swamp. Let’s see what Trump does.

          CommoChief in reply to CommoChief. | March 23, 2022 at 6:45 pm

          At this point it would be best for DJT to stay out of it. The folks in the deep south are not exactly happy when people from other places poke their nose into our affairs. We are prone to drop our internal disagreement, join together to fight off the interlopers and get back to our own internal feuds. Emphasis on our.

          That’s what happened with the special election to replace Sessions. The voters got their back up with all these outside people butting in to our elections and chose crazy ass, unelectable Roy Moore as big FU.

          Barry in reply to CommoChief. | March 23, 2022 at 10:57 pm

          “The folks in the deep south” are just fine with a Trump endorsement.

          CommoChief in reply to CommoChief. | March 24, 2022 at 10:21 am

          Barry,

          Opinions vary. Given the absolute debacle in the special election due in large part to outside endorsements, support and funding I recommend no more endorsements. As we have just witnessed with Brooks, giving then withdrawing an endorsement by DJT sows chaos and confusion.

          Barry in reply to CommoChief. | March 24, 2022 at 6:41 pm

          I stand by my opinion. The people of the deep South like and respect President Trump and will elect him again in a landslide of epic proportion.

        taurus the judge in reply to Pasadena Phil. | March 24, 2022 at 8:41 am

        I cant speak to him being a good “candidate” but I can assure you he is a strong patriot with good leadership skills and is very well informed.

        Granted I have had a good sit down with him in over 20 years now but I doubt he has changed from his core beliefs.

      healthguyfsu in reply to CommoChief. | March 23, 2022 at 5:48 pm

      How is Tubberville?

        CommoChief in reply to healthguyfsu. | March 23, 2022 at 6:36 pm

        Well as a Bama alum he’s a former Auburn HC so……Realistically it’s too early to say where he’s going to end up on the spectrum of populist or establishment stooge. He’s not the stuff of leadership but might be content as a backbench Senator who usually does the right thing. Basically he’s an old school blue dog d more or less like Sam Nunn in philosophy which tells you how far the d/prog have drifted from the center.

        He doesn’t have anything to prove, has moderate wealth but the siren call of McConnell and his bag of treats may be too much to resist. It’s nice to be on this v that committee or get a family member onto a corporate board seat. Resisting the temptation to take the easy way and to go with the flow of McConnell over the long term may turn out to be too hard. He wouldn’t be the first to succumb. Still too early to say where he ends up.

    Wait so not wanting to pretend we won in 2020 against ALL of the evidence, and wanting to move on and WIN instead of lose is some kind of squishiness?

    If Glenn Youngkin had done as you suggested he would have won 40% of the vote.

    This Trump cultism needs to end. The latest polling has Trump at 45% of the vote despite the economy being in freefall, and inflation going through the roof and a crime epidemic.

      Barry in reply to Danny. | March 24, 2022 at 9:45 am

      “The latest polling has Trump at 45%…”

      Lies. lies, and more lies by the paid liar, MarxistDanny.

      “Former President Trump has a nearly 12-point favorability advantage over Biden: 59% of voters say they are somewhat or very favorable of Trump, compared with 47% who are somewhat or very favorable of Biden.”

      MarxistDanny twists and spins using some hypothetical vote that is never ever meaningful when we don’t even have any candidates.

      59% would vote for Trump. And the polls are always rigged in favor of the commies, so the 59% number is low while the 47% that have a favorable opinion of the dummyBiden is way high.

JohnSmith100 | March 23, 2022 at 3:20 pm

I love Trump’s style, that was one effective B Slap. America is finished if we do not stop election fraud.

    Provide proof that there was enough fraud to flip any election in 2020.

    You know what is finished if we continue to campaign on “DON’T YOU DARE VOTE!!!!!!!”? That would be our party and the ability to stop any part of the Democrats agenda.

    Trump’s lies cost us the senate, acknowledging the 2020 election and moving us gained us Virginia state house and governorship.

Since Mo has made himself a stooge, there is not need to support him any longer.

Hard Ball!

Are you watching Mitch, you slimy turtle?

One thing for us to keep in mind: except for the total fanatics, most of the rest of us concede that Trump was a suck hiring manager. He gave incredibly important jobs to weasels and backstabbers who undermined him and eventually were instrumental in getting him fired.

Keep that in mind when you see him make campaign endorsements.

Mo Brooks is yet one more data point that Trump still hasn’t found the hang of vetting like-minded souls.

    CommoChief in reply to henrybowman. | March 23, 2022 at 4:44 pm

    That’s a fair point. It’s also fair to say that DJT didn’t have nearly the same amount of experienced folks around his campaign to be fast tracked into SR positions.

      Trump also had to get the “advice and consent” of Congress for his cabinet picks and The Swamp was never going to allow him the people he wanted. Every move he made led to automatic charges of impeachment. He was in a lose-lose situation. Being President requires massive amounts of delegation and it is impossible for an outsider like Trump to come in and find experienced people who could be trusted. He was an effective conservative president by sheer force of his personality and determination. They had to steal an election and perpetuate frauds and hoaxes to trip him up and despite being impeached twice in a single term of office, he accomplished far more than any other president in my lifetime and I am 68.

        Name one example of Trump getting his pick rejected. Should be easy if you are going to blame congress for his picks.

        They also didn’t steal the election.

        Wait, so you are arguing against Trump running in 2024?

          No. Trump is the indispensable key to everything. I’ve been saying all along that Trump is the ONLY ONE who can finish what he started and if we fail, this was our last chance. To contest him in 2024 would be suicide. We owe him our loyalty after all he has done and must get focused on that. Right now, DeSantis is polling a very distant second to Trump and no one else even registers. Trump and DeSantis need each other and we should be building a party around that. DeSantis needs to back Trump all the way. He NEEDS Trump to succeed. He would get crushed in 2024 without his endorsement.

          By sweeping in his endorsed candidates, Trump can accomplish much this year. McConnell is apoplectic over Sen. Scott’s call to get the Republicans to run on a specific platform rather than just “We are not Democrats” and as we’ve seen over and over again, his money corrupts just about everyone (hello Brooks!). Trump draws a clear line that will redefine the GOP as something more than the traditional Democrat enablers when in the minority and then Democrat policy consolidators when in the majority. The Uniparty defined. No more Uniparty!

          We MUST win a Trump/MAGA tidal wave victory in November. Then show up next January ready to dump the leadership and re-instate Trump’s MAGA agenda forcefully and successfully. If they do that, why would Trump run in 2024? The way would have been paved for DeSantis to take over without having to kneel before the dirty money (if he doesn’t blow it by becoming a self-centered, party of one like Cruz). So far, DeSantis has demonstrated solid political instincts combined with a clear moral compass.

          But the “stupid” in the Stupid Party is as strong as ever (hello Danny). Trump is the ONLY ONE with the tools to win this (including not needing the dirty money to win)… if we could just drop the “stupid”. A big “if”.

    JohnSmith100 in reply to henrybowman. | March 23, 2022 at 8:38 pm

    It is reasonable to thing that Trump has learned much more about the swamp, and that he will be more aggressive now.

    Danny in reply to henrybowman. | March 23, 2022 at 9:11 pm

    So Mo Brooks wanting to move on from 2020 makes him bad?

      taurus the judge in reply to Danny. | March 24, 2022 at 9:05 am

      No,

      Promoting the lie ( that the election legitimately was lost by Trump rather than being stolen) makes him bad.

      Just so you understand there are those of us who know this game as well ( if not better) than the left, I’ll explain it to you.

      One of the basic tenets of control by manipulation is creating a group adherence to an ideal ( must be an intangible) so in this case, the “truth” ( the selection must be something people can internalize and stand for and things like truth, honor, “right” are some of the most powerful ones)

      To pull this off, the state must both define (state in clear but simple terms) and establish ( create the support case that the “ideal selected” is in fact “true”)

      In this case, they are trying to claim the “truth” is that Trump legitimately lost the election ( this gives the current admin legitimacy and shows weaknesses to exploit in Trump obviously but the “hidden” technique is building in the offense and defense to use against those who do not “accept” the “states truth”.)

      An example of the “defensive” use of the above is to give the useful idiot” class an emotional “feel good” because they can believe they are “right’, defending the faith and whatever motivates them.

      An example of the “offensive” use is to insult, degrade and demoralize the opposition obviously but the real hidden technique is that this drains energy and resources in an infinite number of straw arguments which by design are to keep people fighting in a circle until they exhaust all resources.

      We are not ignorant of his schemes

        It is two years and the only proof you have the election was stolen is you claim it was. Everything that was supposed to be a big bombshell has turned out to be a lie.

        Cyber Monkeys did an election audit of such an incredible fraudulent nature that it was aware it would lose a slander lawsuit so fraudulently declared bankruptcy (A Republican Judge is fortunately holding them accountable).

        If the election is rigged there is no need to vote which is why a campaign where the claim was rigged elections resulted in an easy Democrat win (GA) and one where the candidate acknowledged we have elections (VA) we won.

        Your game is being a cultist who needs to live on Mars to pretend with ZERO evidence Trump won, you reject the ability to win in the future and attack people who use their brains instead of being cultists.

          taurus the judge in reply to Danny. | March 24, 2022 at 10:19 am

          No Danny,

          Wishing does not make it so and even now your talking points are easily refuted because they are out of context and have no substance.

          That’s why you are not giving up because you realize ( as I said earlier) that you “must” convince us to accept the state lie. Your problem is that you are simply incapable of a reasoned position and your “facts” are questionable at best not to mention the entire thing is overshadowed of deliberate and public obstruction of legitimate investigations ( which all guilty people do) because they live in fear that the lies will be publicly discovered and destroyed.

          You have no option but to try.

          We know this too.

          We are not ignorant of his schemes.

        By the way you are objectively a liar because Mo Brooks actually is a big time “MUHHHH 2020 STOLLLLEEEEEENENNNNNNNN” guy. Sorry you have to lie but all he said was time to move on he never said it wasn’t stolen, and he made the statement 6 months ago.

        Your a liar sir and cultist and we are lucky you aren’t influential.

Whether you actually believe the crap he started spewing about the election or not, why the fuck would Brooks be so stupid as to SAY IT out loud? It’s not what your voters want to hear.

How stupid do you have to be?

    Danny in reply to Olinser. | March 23, 2022 at 9:12 pm

    It actually is what the voters in general want to hear. Remember January 5th when we lost the senate?

    By the way he said it 6 months ago and Trump knew it at the time the reason he withdrew the endorsement is Mo Brooks was about to lose.

The evidence of a stolen election via voter fraud, or ballot stuffing doesn’t exist.

The reason Trump lost in PA, MI and WI was he declined with suburban voters nationwide losing ground in suburbs even in places like Alabama, Texas, Hawaii and Oregon.

At least from government there is no case for claiming a rigged election. Now if you want to discuss censorship by something like say Google, or Facebook, or Twitter and say that made it rigged that would be a good point but voter fraud is a myth.

We are 2 years out and still no evidence. It is time to move on, and use our political power for something like fighting censorship, fighting crt, fighting radical gender theory and put this myth behind us before it reinstalls Joe Biden for a second term.

    DSHornet in reply to Danny. | March 23, 2022 at 11:37 pm

    Barry answered that above but you must have missed it.

    Haven’t you noticed that nobody here takes you seriously? Just stop trying. You’re wasting your time.
    .

      Danny in reply to DSHornet. | March 24, 2022 at 9:42 am

      No he didn’t he just insulted me and inserted more lies from Lin Wood and Sydney Powell. The Kraken is a myth, if it existed the day to have brought it out would have been the day after the election.

    Frezz in the hizzy in reply to Danny. | March 24, 2022 at 7:02 am

    On a state by state basis, in some of the key states, there have been stunning disclosures of 2020 election “issues” – still being adjudicated. The reason you don’t know any of it, Danny, is because ALL major cable news outlets have blacked out on it…. but the info is out there. Lou Dobbs podcast has been excellent. His recent shows, one with John Solomon and another with Joe DeGenova have been especially revelatory.

    “There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance-that principle is contempt prior to investigation.”

    -HERBERT SPENCER
    from the Spiritual Experience section of the AA Big Book

      The reason I heard of each one and am not impressed by it is they consist of “The law was changed to make voting easier so more people voted which was unfair” or “Get out to vote efforts by Mark Zuckerberg giving some Democrat localities more money for get out the vote efforts….” none of the claims brought out involve any law being broken or any fraudulent ballots being cast.

      The only way an election is stolen is with voter fraud or voter suppression. There is no such thing as “too many people voted so it is invalid” or “Mail in ballots were too easy even though I am not even alleging any of them were fraudulent”.

      The most important state about this election is the suburbs. Trump won the suburbs in 2016 and lost them in 2020, and didn’t make up the support elsewhere which is why he isn’t president today. It also wasn’t just swing state suburbs, he lost supports in suburbs as diverse as Alabama and Hawaii.

    taurus the judge in reply to Danny. | March 24, 2022 at 7:19 am

    No Danny,

    You can go back to Politico and inform your handlers that there are many on this side too as equally well versed in psyops, statement analysis, Alinsky techniques and manipulation as you are and we are not just not falling for the line, we see right through it and will deconstruct it for you right here and now.

    First, the claim of “no evidence” is as best a misnomer because there is clear and convincing overwhelming video and testimony as well as fruits of investigation to support the claims. You know this. The “lie” here is that the evidence is by definition “circumstantial” at this phase ( as is most initial evidence in any crime because as we all know, every part of evidence must be vetted to ensure authenticity thus moving from “circumstantial” to “hard” evidence which will stand scrutiny and cross examination)

    What the left and RINO enablers have done is OBSTRUCTED the investigations to prevent this “evidence” from being vetted ( a textbook indicator of guilt in its own right because if there was nothing to hide, the left would love for us to walk away with egg on our face).

    This makes the claim of “no evidence” hollow and misleading. (Bu that is the desired end goal because the left has to convince the sheeple that a lie is the truth)

    We are not ignorant of his schemes.

      Provide proof that David Perdue won January 5th and that Glenn Youngkin lost this November.

      If you are capable of reading any of my posts and concluding its a leftist congratulations you are both an asshole and a man with pre-elementary school intellegince.

        taurus the judge in reply to Danny. | March 24, 2022 at 10:01 am

        No Danny, another strawman and I’m not taken by your lame musings.

        This was not about Purdue. You know that as well as I do so no bait and switch for you today.

        I made no “conclusion”, I opened the door in my challenge so you would out yourself as you just did.

        I am immune to your ad hom plus you are simply not intellectually capable of engaging me with any hope of victory (But I invite you to try because I enjoy frustrating and exposing your type then totally diffusing you)

        *”Intelligence” is spelled wrong now lets talk more about that “pre-elementary” stuff?

        I will call you a waaaaambulance.

        We are not ignorant of his schemes

          Please provide your evidence David Perdue won on January 5th and that Glenn Youngkin lost in November. Because you are claiming elections are rigged, and the way to win elections is pretending they are rigged it should be easy.

          You are clearly not immune to ad hominem because you first started with ad hominem so clearly consider it to be effective and you didn’t reply to a single point made which means you are a moron.

    taurus the judge in reply to Danny. | March 24, 2022 at 9:13 am

    Another strawman falsity Danny. You need to tell your handlers their case is weak and you are effectively compromised. Remember, you cant “talk the talk” like a real conservative and are easily exposed.

    There is more than enough “evidence” ( probable cause by Federal rules of evidence) which is the legal standard of more likely than not to TRIGGER the legitimate fact finding investigations ( to move to hard evidence).

    You know this is true as well as I do which is why you tap dance around it.

    As a matter of fact the evidence of probable cause is so strong and compelling that the actors had to resort to administrative rejections and outright obstruction of investigations to stop the inevitable discovery because any proper investigation would uncover everything.

    This is why you are here trying to “bait and switch” to hopefully convince us the “lie” is true by getting us to focus elsewhere.

    Ye shall know them by their fruits

      Remember you fucking little asshole when someone says their opinion consistently and it doesn’t fit yours insult and ignore and strawman because you have no possible counter because your cult doesn’t provide any.

      There is no evidence. I like Ben Shapiro, Andrew Klavan, and Glenn Youngkin am not putting my name down on an evidence free lie.

        taurus the judge in reply to Danny. | March 24, 2022 at 10:08 am

        AWW Danny has no more red (substance) to his sucker of false points so he resorts to meaningless drivel.

        Class, observe the specimen. This is the normal expected programmed reaction of a drone when exposed to truth and they have no way out. They project and holler yet say nothing of substance or value.

        A textbook liberal useful idiot in full view. He will run back to his handlers saying I was “mean” to him.

        Relax, the waaambulance is on its way.

        We will get you a paddle of green energy to get you back in sinus so you can wail some more.

It’s both 2016 AND his statements about 2020 and “getting over it.” As time went on, voters began paying closer attention to him, and It became clear he was a two-faced NeverTrumper all along, He’s toast..

    Danny in reply to maxmillion. | March 23, 2022 at 9:31 pm

    That is just a lie and it unfortunately establishes that Trump has a cult around himself.

      taurus the judge in reply to Danny. | March 24, 2022 at 8:44 am

      Tell me Danny ( after you meld with your handlers and get the approved non answer)

      What exactly is your definition of a “cult” so I can inquire of you about the left and some of their ‘cult” followings?

      Lets see how “balanced” your scales are.

        Tell me asshole how does using insults instead of arguments to someone on your team feel? Does it feel as good as when your moronic arguments cost us the senate allowing Biden to likely win on a radical supreme court nominee?

        I will tell you how my telling the truth feels it feels like we won Virginia (of course without you who tried to prevent it by beating your “DONT YOU DARE VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!” lies).

          taurus the judge in reply to Danny. | March 24, 2022 at 10:11 am

          Danny, listen little boy

          I have not insulted you- I have exposed you as the troll you are and solidly refuted all your false points.

          I own you now. I control you. You are now programmed to react to my stimuli as I decide.

          You have presented no truth, you have countered no argument, you have presented no factual information or made a salient point.

          You just whine.

          We are not ignorant of his schemes

      Frezz in the hizzy in reply to Danny. | March 24, 2022 at 9:25 am

      Stick to the points try to get away from name calling

        You guys have been name calling the entire thread, and in addition if after years of hero worshipping Mo Brooks all it takes is Trump to lie about him, and him to want to fight real battles for him to become “establishment” (a term that means nothing if it includes someone as irrelevant as Mo Brooks) than yes cultist is the right term.

          taurus the judge in reply to Danny. | March 24, 2022 at 10:13 am

          Danny, who has name called and what name was it?

          You are just having a typical juvenile liberal meltdown and are powerless to do anything about it.

          Ye shall know them by their fruits.

      CommoChief in reply to Danny. | March 24, 2022 at 10:13 am

      Danny,

      There’s plenty of examples of mass irregularity in 2020 to support a claim of uncertainty regarding whether the 2020 election was legit.
      1. Voter registration list maintenance issues where blue States qnd localities had to be sued to follow the law to remove the dead and those who moved
      2. ballot harvesting schemes which preyed upon the elderly
      3. Drop boxes with zero chain of custody
      4. Unusually low levels of ballot rejection for errors
      5. Partisan ballot curing opportunities limited to d/prog
      6. Mismatch in ballot v vote count that have get to be explained
      7. Elections officials seemingly uniform in their lack of transparency and resistance to audit of their process to ensure compliance with State Law

      There’s plenty of reasons to suspect shenanigans. That the folks running the elections continue to resist an examination of their process and compliance with mandatory procedures undermines voter confidence in the outcome. That said we don’t yet have proof the election was stolen because we can’t get a holistic review.

      You are partially correct about the existence of a DJT cult of personality among some people. What’s the harm? FDR, JFK and Obama also had a similar following. Personally I think DJT and the r party would be better off with DJT shining a spotlight on establishment stogies in the r primary and generally acting as a kingmaker. However, if he is the eventual nominee in 2024 then every r should support him.

        taurus the judge in reply to CommoChief. | March 24, 2022 at 10:23 am

        Chief,

        Cast not thy pearls before swine.

        He isn’t here to debate nor does he have any interest in the truth.

          Hey asshole

          I am here to debate other Republicans, I voted for Donald Trump and if you are capable of reading any of my positions and concluding it is a leftist you are dumber than a 1st grader.

          Start growing something in your head you have nothing there.

          taurus the judge in reply to taurus the judge. | March 24, 2022 at 2:02 pm

          From Danny

          >>Hey asshole
          I am here to debate other Republicans, I voted for Donald Trump and if you are capable of reading any of my positions and concluding it is a leftist you are dumber than a 1st grader.
          Start growing something in your head you have nothing there.

          Danny, Danny, Danny, you poor little troll

          You fumed and communed all day with your handlers and that was the best you could do? Politico is going to withhold your next treat.

          You are not here to debate anything and you have yet to engage in any meaningful discourse with anyone on anything.

          I have read your postings ( which you allege are positions) but they are nothing more than leftist talking points void of context and factual support. They use them when they try to “sound smart”. (a skill you have yet to master)

          The rest of your puerile juvenile banter is just that.

          Hey asshole

          When you grow a brain you will realize the world doesn’t revolve around you.

          If you have read anything I have ever written and concluded I am a leftist you aren’t just an idiot you are the kind of insane that belongs in a padded cell.

          taurus the judge in reply to taurus the judge. | March 24, 2022 at 3:08 pm

          From Danny again

          >>>Hey asshole

          When you grow a brain you will realize the world doesn’t revolve around you.

          If you have read anything I have ever written and concluded I am a leftist you aren’t just an idiot you are the kind of insane that belongs in a padded cell.

          Oh Danny my little frustrated child

          I know it must be difficult being you and then being exposed as the troll you are.

          I’m sure your Politico handlers are not happy either.

          See, I have read what you have written- the art you don’t like is that I see right through it to what you really are and what you are doing.

          Its not your fault that I have complete dominion and control of your mind, you are just that weak. You cant help it.

          I know they told you that you were special and on a grand mission but that’s simply not the case. You are just cannon fodder.

          Come little one and repent.

          We are not ignorant of his schemes.

        Danny in reply to CommoChief. | March 24, 2022 at 2:33 pm

        First apologies for the length of response you asked for a response so I am giving one.

        I agree there are issues with the 2020 elections I just don’t think any of the issues added up to anywhere near 10k votes, let alone the over 100k that would have been needed to flip PA or MI.

        However to address your points one by one

        1. I agree that is an issue, but the reason they did that wasn’t to rig elections. MA, CA and other blue strongholds that weren’t remotely afraid of a Trump win did the same, they refused to go over and purge the voter rolls in order to run their narrative that Republican controlled states like GA that did that were removing eligible black voters. I agree it does have the potential to make it easier to cheat. The problem with assuming it did lead to that cheating is why aren’t there any allegations of cheating outside of a tiny set of swing states? The decision to not purge voter rolls as a way to try to build narrative that the only reason to do so was to purge eligible black voters was pursued by every blue state, if the reason was in order to cheat shouldn’t there be as many allegations in CA. RI or NY?

        2. I would agree if not for the fact that the elderly voted overwhelmingly for us. If only the elderly voted we would have seen a Ronald Raegan/Richard Nixon level landslide. Could a few elderly people have found that they trusted the wrong young man who threw out their votes because they voted Republican? Obviously but the problem with assuming that flipped say PA is you need a lot of that, enough that you should see at least some ability to find the evidence for it. I do agree ballot harvesting is bad, I think it undermines faith the election was fair and lawful because you can’t prove it was afterwards. I just find the one sided nature of the elderly vote being in our favor pretty strong evidence against us losing to ballot harvesting (shouldn’t we have found a major dent in elderly support if it did?).

        3. Fully agree that should be changed but again we won the swing elections in CA for congress which had the absurd ballot harvesting/drop box rules. Wouldn’t OG county have been ground zero for that kind of thing to make sure we don’t regain congress if doing foul play had been a part of the win?

        4/5-Same thing, and I 100% agree it wasn’t fair where it happened. Liberal counties in places like PA wanted to avoid any rejection so had major ballot curing initiatives to fix ballots counted in good faith that got rejected for technical reasons on consent of the person who had cast the ballot. Republican counties used the same ballot rules from earlier elections. I don’t think we should have voting season at all, I think continental Europe Israel and Japan have it right we should have voting day. I also would have sued for a statewide standard on ballot curing prior to election day (after which it became a moot point because if a ballot is 100% legit it can’t be removed). The problem with calling that stolen is first we actually did significantly better in Pittsburgh and Philadelphia than normal which would imply that the places we lost PA in are suburbs that weren’t impacted by those schemes most of which had Republican dominated governments. This is also in keeping with other states like NJ. We lost ground in suburbs everywhere. The lack of uniform state standards no doubt hurt a little but the 2020 PA election was definitely a winnable one. Glenn Youngkin would rally exactly the kinds of suburbs we declined in to vote Republican only one year later.

        6. Apologies if this isn’t what you meant but the Gatewaypundit lie that PA got back more ballots than it sent out has been debunked ad nauseum. The way that was concluded was by comparing the number of ballots it sent out during the primaries to how many it got back during the general election. The correct way to measure it would be number of ballots it sent out during general election to how many it got back during the general election and for those numbers it actually sent out more ballots than it got back. If you meant something else I would be glad to look into it. The general election number was 3 million ballots sent out prior to election with 2.6 million returned back. Ultimately what cost us PA was our suburban decline.

        7. We didn’t want what we viewed as a rigged process to go over WI from Democrats in 2016. In 2016 Democrats were making the same kinds of absurd claims. Of course they are resisting we are accusing them of major crimes and overtly attempting partisan attacks designed to come a pre-ordained conclusion. Some of our targets by the way are Trump supporting Republicans who have been thrown under the bus. If Cybermonkeys had operated in good faith you would be seeing a very different response from the same people but to be blunt it flagged people with the same name and birthday but different socials and addresses as fraudulent. I have a pretty common name and have met plenty of people with my name who share my birthday should I have been told I have already voted when I showed up on election day? Would you assist in what looks like an overt partisan witch hunt to you that is open about targeting you for destruction?

        I agree with fixing weaknesses in the election system that have undermined trust in the results. I don’t agree that the Democrats pulled off a steal. The ultimate proof of that is the hail marry full of grace lawsuit by the Texas AG never alleged voter fraud, and Justice Thomas’ dissent noted that it was a very weak lawsuit (his grounds for why it should have been heard was purely that it was a state vs state conflict, any fair reading of Thomas shows he had a very low opinion of the law suit presented).

        My problem with the Trump cult of personality is even putting aside that it goes against everything I philosophically support to put your trust in a prince is it is a bad strategy. Glenn Youngkin would not be governor of Virginia if he had adopted a “2020 rigged” stance. We have been winning elections by fighting on issues instead of personalities. The difference between the Trump cult and all of the other cults you mentioned is the other cults were trying to expand their parties, the Trump cult is trying to cut the Republican Party down to size. If Glenn Youngkin had been a Trump cultist do you think he would have marched into Richmond as governor?

        If Trump is right that elections are rigged than we have a zero percent chance in the midwestern swing states in 2022 and 2024 so why care? We aren’t going to win in 2022 exactly the same people will do exactly the same thing then i 2024 we won’t win either.

        If he is wrong and we pursue a focus on 2020 for future we will lose those states and it will be our fault for not focusing on major and relevant issues.

        If he is wrong and we focus on real issues we will win as we did in VA, and as we have in plenty of special elections in places Biden won in 2020.

          taurus the judge in reply to Danny. | March 24, 2022 at 3:01 pm

          Oh Danny, you really need to have a better command of logical fallacies before you come in the ring with the big dogs. I know I’m in control of you now so I understand the conflict in your mind where you feel the need to push your Politico points to impress your handlers but don’t want to be exposed for the troll you are by trying to goad with logic making it appear you are a kindred spirit.

          Too bad it failed miserably so let me deconstruct your entire premise by pointing it out.

          First, your preamble is similar to what a serpent once did to “beguile” a woman regarding eating a fruit. In short, what you “think” doesn’t matter.

          Pt1- That’s a circular reasoning fallacy heavily loaded with opinion masquerading as fact. Then you try to slip in the “either-or” fallacy when numerous options are possible.

          Pt2- What you claim are facts are not facts. Your basic of statement is false thus the argument is false.

          Pt3:5- Your premise is a false comparison

          Pt6- No, your facts are incorrect and your “conclusion” is a left talking point.

          Pt-7 is just a storyline the left created.

          The rest is just a very “warm and fuzzy” discourse designed to win confidence and influence. Totally devoid of fact and truth.

          Ye shall know them by their fruits

          CommoChief in reply to Danny. | March 24, 2022 at 3:10 pm

          Danny,

          Thanks for that exhaustive response. IMO, what matters is perception. If some voters believe that the ‘vote was, is and will always be rigged’ then that’s a problem that needs to be addressed. It can be done with simple changes to procedures to ensure transparency of process, ballot security, voter integrity by instituting easily to understand and easy to comply with standards which are then enforced. From registration to verification to casting a ballot to final tally to mandatory process audit. All without disenfranchising anyone.

          As to Trump; he isn’t my first choice in 2024 but if he is the nominee I will support him. I can’t understand why some people insist he is indispensable to our cause. No one is.

          As to 2020 election, we should perform process audits for compliance in every State and precinct to find out exactly how many irregularities occurred, who allowed them not to overturn the election but to prevent a repetition by punishing the guilty and to reform and strengthen the process as I outlined above.

There are many stupid politicians.

Dismiss the 2020 election fraud and you will get it again.
DJT is still best chance we have.