LIVE: U.S. Helping Poland, Concerns Russia Might Take Biological Matter in Ukraine
The biological labs from the Soviet period should have been dismantled when the USSR fell apart.
The U.S will send two Patriot surface-to-air missile batters to Poland by request as a way to help protect our NATO ally. But will this help Ukraine? Does Poland need protection? Granted, after Poland’s history, the Polish have every right to be scared and take precautions.
The State Department is also concerned Russia might take biological material in Ukraine to make bioweapons.
We Say Poland Can’t Help Ukraine as We Refuse to Send Help
Then stop trying to interfere:
The United States has closed the door on supplying combat aircraft to Ukraine, saying that the intelligence community assessed it would be a “high risk” move that could be mistaken by Russia as an escalatory step.
The Pentagon, which suggested other weapons transfers should take priority, announced the US position after a call between US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin and his Polish counterpart, a day after Poland offered to transfer Russian-made fighter jets to US custody for further transfer to Ukraine.
Pentagon Opposes Poland Helping Ukraine
How about we all leave Poland alone:
Pentagon Press Secretary John Kirby said Wednesday that Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin spoke with his Polish counterpart, Mariusz Blaszczak, and informed him that the United States will not support Poland’s proposal to deliver MiG-29s to the Ukrainian military.
“The secretary also had a chance to discuss with Minister Blaszczak the proposal to send MiG-29 fighter aircraft to Ukraine and, specifically, the notion of doing so by a way of transfer to U.S. custody,” Kirby said. “Secretary Austin thanked the minister for Poland’s willingness to continue to look for ways to assist Ukraine, but he stressed that we do not support the transfer of additional fighter aircraft to the Ukrainian air force at this time and therefore have no desire to see them in our custody either.”
“We believe the provision of additional fighter aircraft provides little increased capabilities at high risk,” Kirby continued.
“We assess that adding aircraft to the Ukrainian inventory is not likely to significantly change the effectiveness of Ukrainian Air Force relative to Russian capabilities,” Kirby said. “Therefore, we believe that the gain from transferring those MIG 29s is low.”
Kirbv also said during the briefing that America must “be careful about every decision we make” to ensure “that we aren’t making the potential for escalation worse.”
Germany Hopes for Diplomacy
When is the West going to learn you cannot use diplomacy to handle Russia? And I’m a non-interventionalist:
German Chancellor Olaf Scholz has said there was no sense in a military solution to the Ukraine conflict and he hoped, instead, that a solution could be found in talks between Russia and Ukraine.
Speaking at a joint news conference with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, Mr Scholz said Germany needed to diversify raw materials used by industry and that his country was working with Canada on this.
He went on to categorically rule out sending any war planes to Ukraine.
IAEA Assures Everyone There is No Threat With No Power to Chernobyl
Chernobyl has no power, which means the fuel supplies that need constant cooling won’t receive any. Without the cooling officials worry the plant could release radiation.
The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) said in this case they see “no critical impact on safety.”
I don’t know if that means as of now and that might change.
Biological Weapon Threat?
I thought the U.S. was supposed to destroy these Soviet labs when the USSR fell apart:
US Senator Marco Rubio said there were “Russian propaganda” reports claiming the discovery of a plot by Ukrainians to release biological weapons, with coordination from NATO.
Asked by Senator Rubio if a biological or chemical weapon attack were to occur inside Ukraine, and whether Russians would be behind it, senior State Department official Victoria Nuland said: “There is no doubt in my mind, Senator.”
“And it is a classic Russian technique to blame on the other guy what they’re planning to do themselves.”
The Atlantic Council, a think tank headquartered in Washington, said the Kremlin was seeking to justify its invasion by pushing a false narrative that Ukraine was developing dirty bombs and biological weapons.
The council said there was no evidence Ukraine was creating such weapons.
Ukraine has "biological research facilities," says Undersecretary of State Victoria Nuland, when asked by Sen Rubio if Ukraine has biological or chemical weapons, and says she's worried Russia may get them. But she says she's 100% sure if there's a biological attack, it's Russia. pic.twitter.com/uo3dHDMfAS
— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) March 8, 2022
Sending the Batteries, but Not Thrilled About Poland’s Offer to Ukraine
Poland offered Ukraine some Russian-made jets. This has upset the U.S.:
The Pentagon said Poland’s offer to give its MiG-29 fighter jets to the US so they could be passed to Ukraine raises serious concerns for the NATO alliance and the plan is not “a tenable one”.
Under the plan, the used Russian-made jets would be transported to a US air force base in Ramstein, Germany. They were “ready to deploy – immediately and free of charge”, the Polish Government said.
Pentagon Press Secretary John Kirby said the prospect of jets departing from a US/NATO base in Germany to fly into airspace contested with Russia in the Ukraine war was concerning.
He said it was not clear to the US that there was a substantive rationale for it.
The US would continue to talk to Poland about the matter.
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My starting point: 1) Evaluate everything against the WEF agenda. 2) Assume everyone is lying – trust nothing anybody is saying unless it is coming from a trustworthy source who you know has facts (and they seem to be rare at this point).
I think I have a 92% chance of seeing a healthy glow on the eastern horizon soon.
So…Ukraine had biological and chemical weapons labs working right before this invasion? Who do we think was funding them? This revelation comes out RIGHT AFTER Russia says they took control of the labs and issued that weird “propaganda” statement? Lord Almighty, this stinks to high heaven.
Yes. US State Dept Undersecretary Victory Nuland admitted to Congress that the US was funding Biological Research Labs in Ukraine. (Just like Wuhan).
Also, note that the US Secretary of State Blinken was the one who tried to get Poland to send planes to Ukraine, offering to repay them with US F-16s. Basically saying, “Here Poland, you start WWIII”.
The Poles pushed back and offered to deliver the jets to the US airbase in Germany. And, allow the USA to give them to Ukraine. Basically, “We aren’t starting WWIII. You do it.” And, the Department of Defense jumped in and said, “Not us!”
“And it is a classic Russian technique to blame on the other guy what they’re planning to do themselves.”
Really, anything we hear from either side has got to be salted heavily before considering. As an example, a crop experiment station which is playing around with various crossbreeds of corn can be called a bio-research facility. So can an anthrax lab. I’m suspecting these bio-labs that are all on fire as the Story Of The Moment are in reality far less dramatic, and that the Russian story about their troops valiantly storming one facility and producing proof of some insidious plot of the Ukrainians is in actuality just another BS story cranked out by the Russian government (as so many before).
That does not exclude the possibility that there may be something there, just raises considerable doubt since the “prove-out” rate of stories in this conflict ranks around 5% or less.
A biological research lab is not necessarily a biological weapons lab. There is always the potential to take the biological materials and weaponize it. The fear here is that the Russians will do just that.
Why did the US have biological “research” labs on Russia’s border?
Why wouldn’t it have research facilities located in a friendly country?
Like the labs in China receiving grant funds from the US govt to conduct research which was at best questionable and at worst prohibited?
I would think the burden is on the US and Ukraine to immediately disclose exactly what research was being conducted, funding sources, whom they collaborated with and very importantly why the US is only now admitting this and who made those decisions.
They were originally Soviet labs, and the US funded them to keep their personnel and equipment from going to the black market.
True, but some 3 decades after breakup of the USSR that’s not a viable explanation.
Providing funding in the immediate aftermath of the chaos in post Soviet era to ensure that former Soviet Scientists didn’t go rouge makes sense. So would purchasing the stock of pathogens or other dangerous materials and destroying them. So would funding and overseeing the shut down and dismantling of the facilities.
Thirty years later those arguments loose their power. Especially when this was not public and the entirety of the govt first claimed any story about these facilities was ‘disinformation’ then when it became clear they did exist immediately pivoted to declare that the facilities contain materials dangerous enough to worry about biological or chemical weapons release if the Russians take control over them.
The govt has squandered any claim to the benefit of the doubt when it comes to funding research and experiments overseas outside the knowledge of the American public and Congressional oversight in the aftermath of Covid. They need to immediately come clean on how long, who and what was going on in these facilities.
Maybe because that is where the Soviets built them? And why did the Soviet Union leave them there? In the end, isn’t those lab’s existence solely their fault?
They cancelled the Polan fighter jets after finding out that they didn’t use green energy.
Or that they did use Green energy and would be forced to land for several hours at a time, every other mile or so, to renew their reserves.
At this point, I don’t think Poland is talking to Brandon at all. He just sent Harris over to discuss things.
I really don’t think Brandon is engaged at all anywhere but in issuing EOs to continue his campaign of strangling life in the US.
We really need to fix our own major problems here at home before we bumble our way into WWIII with the people handling things. The most fixable problem of all is domestic production of oil and gas. That would change everything fast. Yeah, that’ll happen. You know, November elections, corrupt GOPe,….
That question from Rubio made me a lot more worried about our government than the Russians.
If our research labs are benign there would be nothing wrong with Russian troops walking in. I am utterly appalled that it was possible to answer Rubio’s question with anything besides (caps not for emphasis it is simulated yelling in this case “OF COURSE NOT WE DO NOT BREAK AMERICAN LAW AND WE DO NOT DO UNETHICAL RESEARCH WHAT YOU STATED IS A FANTASY OF PROPAGANDA” that instead she confirmed labs without denying they are chemical and biological warfare labs does not make Russia suspicious it makes our government such.
Apart from the fact its Russian invasion forces marching in to a country they decided to invade because they could….but your concern is not about the invasion itself but something else irrelevant??
So you have no concern that Rubio asked the question and his answer wasn’t hell no but a non-denial and partial admission it was true?
I have zero control over Russia, there is no proof Russia is interested in employing biological or chemical weapons (see Chechnya and Syria where they fought entirely conventionally) but I have a right to be outraged when my government even after the catastrophe of Wuhan is STILL doing chemical and biological weapons in secret in a faraway country.
I was overtly talking about Rubio’s question and because of how obvious that is grow up.
If Russia was running the same thing in Venezuala you wouldn’t be saying “Nothing to see here obviously America will be the ones employing chemical and biological weapons”.
A senior member of the government was asked if Russian claims are false and confirmed Russian claims. You should be highly concerned about that. Your government should not be an unlawful one, and I as a voter am more concerned about something I should be able to fix.
Recall how that stuff got to Wuhan. Because it was discovered at UNC-CH as activity that’s illegal within the US.
The only counterweight to this is that research will happen even if one tries to prevent it. There’s not only one smart country in the world, and science is international. As a technologist, I was completely aware that I had no control over how my work was used. And I didn’t do it, someone else probably would anyway.
You are right we can’t prevent other countries from going into the deep but we could reign ourselves in.
I also don’t agree that we can’t stop these things, the reckless experiments in Wuhan had American funding likely because the Chinese had better common sense than that so could only proceed with American funding, so while we can’t stop others I think reigning ourselves in would go a long way.
Maybe we now know why Fauci hasn’t been seen in a while? He’s off cleaning house in the Ukraine?
How dare you express exactly the same thought I did on exactly the same subject in exactly the same way after stating in response to me saying the same thing
“Apart from the fact its Russian invasion forces marching in to a country they decided to invade because they could….but your concern is not about the invasion itself but something else irrelevant??”
So to go by your logic your concern is something entirely irrelevant? Come on MUH JINGOIISM HOW DARE YOU CARE ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE.
I don’t care that you insulted me or that you hate me I care about the rank hypocrisy that a nanosecond later you expressed exactly the same thought.
The world’s media and nearly all politicians were able to lie shamelessly on matters of strict scientific relevance, intentionally spread lies, and hid the truth about Covid-19, vaccine efficacy, and mandates for the past two years. And, they want us to believe what they are telling us now about Ukraine?
In which case, as rational people, we should ask ourselves why, in the present Ukraine-Russia situation, has the world’s media suddenly rediscovered intellectual honesty and respect for the code of ethics that was so widely denied with Covid, BLM, and Antifa riots?
U.S. using Poland as bait, rejected by Polish. Concerns that Russia exposing bioweapon and dual-use facility lab operations in Ukraine a la Wuhan, NOW confirmed by Nuland. Russia concerned about enrichment in nuclear facilities. Zelensky regrets wasting 32 trimesters of affirmative discrimination targeting provinces to force them to take a knee following the violent Western-backed coup.
force them to take a knee following the violent Western-backed coup
The Slavic Spring in the Obama, Biden, Clinton, McCain, Biden Spring series.
The story of the fighter jets is more interesting than that, and looks very bad for the US.
We encouraged Poland to use some old MiG-29’s it had around and fly them over Ukraine or give them to Ukraine, and we’d replace them with old F-16’s which are just as old but more desirable.
Poland said OK we’ll give the planes, but we don’t want to fly them from Poland because then we would be attacking Russia. We’ll fly them to the US Ramstein air force base in Germany, and then you can fly them to Ukraine from there.
US said not, that’s not what we meant at all.
So the US wants a war with Russia, but it wants Poland to take the blame. Pathetic. I would expect such garbage from the State Department. It’s very disappointing that the Pentagon is willing to communicate that message.
How did it get so that people can be successful being both corrupt and stupid.
This b**** was caught in 2014(?) planning a coup in Ukraine.
Now she is given the chance to deny having biolabs in Ukraine.she admits it.
Because, on the right, we have somehow adopted the belief that violence is universally bad and solves no problems. Decades later, we are stuck in this situation.
Which people on the right in positions of political power and influence advocate that and have done so for ‘decades’. I am certainly willing to grant that the populist right base; those of us who have done/would be doing the fighting have become sceptical of military adventures.
She even seemed pretty intentional about it.
Maybe this person who famous for saying the f-word in a leaked phone call (oh the horrors) actually has a conscience.
And if she said “f Europe” then, I would say it now. If Europe wants us to run a war against Russia, we should say “f Europe” and not do it.
Because, on the right, we have somehow adopted the belief that violence is universally bad and solves no problems.
speak for yourself