Canada PM Justin Trudeau Invokes ‘Emergencies Act’ To Fight Trucker Freedom Convoys
The premiers of Manitoba, Quebec, and Saskatchewan oppose Trudeau’s power grab.
UPDATE 4:44 PM: Justin Trudeau invokes the Emergencies Act.
“Today, to continue building on these efforts, the federal government is ready to use more tools at its disposal to get the situation fully under control. After discussing with cabinet and caucus, after consultation with premiers from all provinces and territories, after speaking with opposition leaders, the federal government has invoked the Emergencies Act to supplement provincial and territorial capacity to address the blockades and occupations. I want to be very clear: the scope of these measures will be time-limited, geographically targeted, as well as reasonable and proportionate to the threats they are meant to address. The Emergencies Act will be used to strengthen and support law enforcement agencies at all levels across the country. This is about keeping Canadians safe, protecting people’s jobs, and restoring confidence in our institutions.”
Oh my fucking goodness: Canada's Deputy Prime Minister says that, as part of the Emergencies Act, they are broadening Canada's "Terrorist Financing" rules so that they cover crowdfunding platforms and cryptocurrencies to the Canadian Freedom Convoy pic.twitter.com/35bXSu4k6j
— Greg Price (@greg_price11) February 14, 2022
Rebel News reported that three premiers oppose Trudeau’s action: Saskatchewan Premier Scott Moe, Manitoba Premier Heather Stefanson, and Quebec Premier Francois Legault.
Legault said: “We don’t want it in the Quebec territory.”
Therefore, Saskatchewan does not support the Trudeau government invoking the Emergencies Act.
If the federal government does proceed with this measure, I would hope it would only be invoked in provinces that request it, as the legislation allows.
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— Scott Moe (@PremierScottMoe) February 14, 2022
I am proud of Manitoba’s law enforcement officials & have full confidence in them to protect our communities. The proposal from the federal government to use the Emergencies Act is not helpful to the situation at the Emerson Border. https://t.co/oHnAACALLz #mbpoli
— Heather Stefanson (@HStefansonMB) February 14, 2022
Previous Reporting
Canadian Prime MinisterTrudeau wants to invoke the Emergencies Act to fight those in the Freedom Convoy because they won’t bend the knee.
Sources told Global News:
One national security source and one source that participated in a Monday morning Liberal national caucus meeting said the government is poised to invoke the act and that senior officials are preparing for an imminent announcement.
Multiple sources have also told Global News federal officials are weighing options for the military to help law enforcement with logistics. But there is no plan at this time, according to the sources, to have the military help police in dealing with civilians or deploying into the streets.
It’s the first time a prime minister has invoked the Emergencies Act. Daddy Trudeau used the war Measures Act in 1970 after terrorist attacks in Quebec. But the government repealed and replaced that law in 1988.
Now Canada has the Emergencies Act to combat four emergency situations: public welfare, public order, international emergencies, and war emergencies.”
The Emergencies Act gives powers to the federal government:
- the ability to “regulate or prohibit public assembly that may reasonably be expected to lead to a breach of the peace, travel, or the use of property”
- the ability to “designate and secure protected places”
- the ability to “assume the control, restoration and maintenance of public utilities and services”
- the ability to “authorize or direct the provision of essential services and the provision of reasonable compensation”
- the ability to “impose on summary conviction a fine not exceeding $500 or imprisonment not exceeding six months or both, or on indictment, a fine not exceeding $5,000 or imprisonment not exceeding five years, or both, for any breach of an order or regulation”
Trudeau has to meet with his provincial cabinet. Then he will release a proclamation.
As soon as Trudeau invokes the Emergencies Act it will go into effect. However, Parliament must receive a motion for the emergency within seven days.
The motion for the emergency must survive the House of Commons and the Senate. If it does not then it will end.
If Parliament votes for the motion it will expire after 30 days.
So will Parliament agree with Trudeau? The Emergencies Act has strict language, for obvious reasons, especially when it comes to attacking protests:
The criteria are strict: to qualify as a public order emergency, a situation must meet the definition of “threats to the security of Canada” as outlined in the Canadian Security Intelligence Service Act — or the act that regulates the powers of the country’s intelligence agency.
That legislation is clear in its definition of “threats to the security of Canada” that “lawful” protests do not qualify, and outlines four possible scenarios:
- “espionage or sabotage that is against Canada or is detrimental to the interests of Canada or activities directed toward or in support of such espionage or sabotage”
- “foreign influenced activities within or relating to Canada that are detrimental to the interests of Canada and are clandestine or deceptive or involve a threat to any person”
- “activities within or relating to Canada directed toward or in support of the threat or use of acts of serious violence against persons or property for the purpose of achieving a political, religious or ideological objective within Canada or a foreign state”
- “activities directed toward undermining by covert unlawful acts, or directed toward or intended ultimately to lead to the destruction or overthrow by violence of, the constitutionally established system of government in Canada.”
It’s all weird because Trudeau said he will only release the military as a last resort. Greg Taylor, a former member of the Canadian army and now a provincial emergency manager and consultant, wrote at the National Post it won’t be easy for Trudeau to convince others he needs to invoke the act, especially since protests are affecting only one province:
Section 3 of the Act defines a national emergency as “an urgent and critical situation of a temporary nature that … seriously endangers the lives, health or safety of Canadians and is of such proportions or nature as to exceed the capacity or authority of a province to deal with it.”
If we just look narrowly at that definition do provinces have the authority to deal with the current protests? Yes. Constitutionally they are responsible for enforcing criminal law and maintaining public order. They establish and regulate provincial and municipal police services. They or their municipalities can declare an emergency in their jurisdictions, as Ottawa and Ontario have done. And in dire circumstances — a “riot or disturbance” — they can even requisition armed soldiers for “aid of the civil power” by invoking Part VI of the National Defence Act.
Do provinces have the capacity to deal with the current protests? Yes, but their municipal police services might need help with additional resources such as funding, specialized capabilities like police with public order (i.e. riot control) training and equipment, or simply more constables for routine policing to give their own officers some rest. That help, as we have seen, is already being provided to Ottawa Police by other services — municipal, provincial and even RCMP, without a national emergency declaration, and Windsor police were aided by other forces in clearing the blockade of the Ambassador Bridge over the weekend.
It’s difficult to declare a national emergency if only one province is affected, because that province under Section 25 (3) of the Act must state they don’t have the authority or capacity to solve the problem. Is the Ontario Premier — or any other premier for that matter — going to state that?
Jack Lindsay, a professor in the applied disaster and emergency studies department at Manitoba’s Brandon University, explained that Trudeau’s first hurdle will be proving the convoy is a national emergency and a threat to Canada’s security.
But here’s the kicker. The federal government cannot take over the provincial police department:
“They do have the grounds to regulate and prohibit public assembly and travel and then regulate or prohibit the use of specific properties,” he said.
“I suppose they could put out regulations about where semi-trailers are allowed to park overnight, for example. They can designate protected places like the Ambassador’s Bridge or something.”
The government can also order or direct any person to render services with compensation, said Lindsay, which could in theory be used to tow trucks blocking streets downtown.
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To these rulers, the law is a weapon to control the little people. The ruling class is above the law. The question is whether the Canadians will enforce the rule of law, not so much what the law requires. They are about to decide what the future looks like for their children.
Don Surber:
These may be the final days of Justin’s premiership. The Edmonton Journal reported, “The Maru poll, which was conducted from Feb. 9 to 10, found that only 16% of Canadians would vote for Trudeau based on his actions of the last two weeks.”
The Freedom Convoy’s protest is doing him in by exposing him as a pansy.
https://donsurber.blogspot.com/2022/02/justin-castreau.html
The pathetic little fascist has a kindred spirit in that other pathetic little fascist, Biden.
https://nypost.com/2022/02/11/biden-urges-trudeau-to-use-fed-powers-to-end-bridge-blockade/
Let’s see how nimble his “forces” will be playing whack-a-mole along the border. I expect this will inspire many more Canadians to join the protest. I’d love to see police and military walk away or even join the protests. It’s already happening on a small scale but that could grow fast once it becomes a “thing” and is greeted with cheers by the public and governors.
It’s like Bongino says, you know they are panicking because their once air tight messaging has now fragmented. Their house of cards is collapsing. Means they are desperate and desperate people do desperate things. We will need several Nuremberg-style trials when we win this. Especially in the US.
“I’d love to see police and military walk away or even join the protests.”
I don’t see police doing that. They will not walk away from a pension and bennies just to do the right thing.
Almost none will. Unless there’s a preference cascade. Those are few and far between, but it’s certainly a possibility (if remote).
Those provinces that are not hostile to the Truckers may refuse to enforce or otherwise ignore mandates to crack down on truckers. In this case, the provinces could become a sort of sanctuary for protestors.
The truckers should refuse to drive loads in the hostile provinces.
RCMP sabotages privately owned excavators on private property, and admit it.
https://twitter.com/ezralevant/status/1493041628336070666
To prevent their possible use in a protest.
One of the problems is Canadians don’t vote for Prime Minister. They vote for the “local” folks in the parties, and those folks get to pick the Prime Minister. That means that unless they throw out all of the rotten ‘liberals’ in the House, and force it to form a ‘conservative’ gov’t, they’ll be right back where they started. And you know how much more easily it is to rail against a national figure than it is to convince people to actually vote out that guy in their district.
But, I do have a measure of hope.
The Freedom Convoy’s protest is doing him in by exposing him as a pansy.
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And now he’s playing dictator. And I’ll bet a lot of the Canadians agree. Just like the US there are a ton of scared to death of the wuflu idiots who are ever in an overabundance in every country. And I’ll bet they support justine castro nee trudeau in this tyranny.
Well, they are a monarchy. They are actually supposed to have a “ruling class”.
We’ll see if they manage to push those folks back to their assigned place.
Ruling Class? Just use a velvet rope!
Justin Trudeau is a little bitch assed cuck. No one in Canada nor even the entire world is listening to anything he has to say, except communists and the one world government types,
Not saying more than that.
Don’t need to hire Canadian tow trucks, US companies were more than happy to oblige.
Not sure if it really went down that way, but if it did, kiss that tow truck outfight good bye. Guessing the Witch had something to do with it.
Just meet with the Truckers you little pissant.
Trudeau is a beta male of historic proportions. Even the women in the protest group would intimidate him. So he hides behind the levers of power.
I think you mean OMEGA male. He is even coiffed like a teenage girl.
If Trudeau did that, one of the Alpha make truckers would be stealing his wife from him in less than 10 minutes.
Grrr. Male.
Givesendgo hacked, site is down
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/givesendgo-hacked-names-of-freedom-convoy-donors-leaked
Gosh, imagine had Trump done this…
I should note for my American friends that your notions of how law works don’t really apply here. We have neither the legal framework, the institutions, nor the history to meaningfully prevent a Parliament from doing anything it wants (and that’s by design; it’s part of the Westminster parliamentary system that Parliament is the supreme power).
The reigning Liberals (your loony-wing of the Democrats) have a minority government propped up by the New Democratic Party (your Communist Party). The NDP won’t vote against the Liberals or they’ll lose power. Trudeau has the majority votes to pass any motion as a result, or to survive a motion of non-confidence (which invoking the Emergencies Act would likely have to be).
Even if the Conservative Party (your mainstream Democrats) were to somehow defeat a confidence motion, that still gives the government 7 days to act with impunity against its own citizens.
Keep in mind that every single lockdown, mandate and restriction in Canada has no basis in law either; the government voted themselves massive “emergency powers” two years ago that extend indefinitely and without limit, in contravention of existing law and our Constitution. The question of whether Trudeau “can” invoke the Emergencies Act is moot. He can and will as long as he thinks he can survive the fallout.
One major difference being that I don’t believe we’ve ever had a single candidate from our Communist Party elected to anything. The commies have to hide within our “Liberal” party, and that party is happy to host them.
Eventually, though, your voters hold the eventual bag for having elected so many of the Liberals AND the Communists, no?
Bernie is actually a member of the Socialist Party; he just votes with Democrats.
So are the rest of the Democrats. They just do not admit to being a member of the Socialist Party.
There’s valor-faker Richard Blumenthal:
https://nypost.com/2021/12/15/democratic-sen-richard-blumenthal-gives-communism-a-boost/
https://vietnamveterannews.com/834-sen-blumenthal-committed-stolen-valor/
ugh, Blumenthal makes me barf. That guy has to be a child molester or something. Senator Whitehouse comes in a quick second.
Yes. The Overton Window is to the left of your mainstream Democrats here. This is what Canadians want, or at least have been willing to tolerate. I believe that a strict majority of Canadians oppose the various COVID related restrictions at this point, but it’s too late, the frog is already boiling.
We don’t have any communists elected to anything ever.
Joe Biden backers include
Jeff Bezos
Mark Zuckerberg
Sandar Pichai
So by far the worlds most successful capitalists are Democrats.
Communism is not a mainstream thing for Democrats. Don’t believe me? Just look at the Bernie Sanders vs Joe Biden results.
They are racial essentialist authoritarians; like many historical non-communists.
Nobody in this country wants to seize the means of production or throw you on a collective farm, and I don’t think Trudeau wants that either.
Fight the 21st century war instead of refighting 20th century ones.
We don’t have Communists? Not officially maybe, but you should look a little closer and under the surface. By “racial essentialist authoritarians” I am guessing you are referring at least in part to the BLM/Wokeness/Critical Race Theory (CRT) neo-racist philosophies or various components and extensions of these philosophies. I hope you realize that CRT is really mostly Marxist/Communist thought that has been cargo-culted into the racial domain. A good number of Asian immigrants have complained that these philosophies resemble the Chinese Cultural Revolution and how it was enforced by the Red Guards, most of whom were students or at least young people. (Note: “cargo cult” used as a verb means religious imitation of some people or behavior without full understanding of what you are imitating or how it works.)
Amen. Good point.
It is telling, and unfortunate, that the first time this act is being invoked will be against peacful Canadian citizens who do not pose a threat to the security of Canada, rather represent a threat to Trudeau’s government.
I think they’ll have a tough time justifying the invocation of this act in this circumstance, but the damage will have been done by the time they get called on it.
Fidel Jr should just declare his dictatorship and get it over with.
Presidenta for life
Hard to believe this all started with vaccine and mask mandates. These globalists are desperate to make their point: you are not free, learn to like it.
As we can see, they are blinking at the enormity of it all. If they really mean to start mass arrests and imprisonment after this is over, it is essential that the truckers continue until this is so global that we will have the will to sweep them out of our lives.
It’s still very early. The Uniparty is quivering at the prospect of what this means about Trump re-appearing on the stage. They cannot possibly believe they can steal the next election and get away with it. It will be interesting to see how exactly the activate our military to force us to eat our peas.
I know more conservatives who don’t want Trump to run again than those who do.
That’s not my vote, that’s what I hear. Every single one of them loves what he did in office, but they don’t want him again. He’s gonna have to make lightning strike twice to win the nomination.
They are seriously misinformed and clueless about what is going on. If they really believe that McConnell will guide the GOP into a glorious victory in November, you need to get away from these people. McConnell only cares about the Uniparty. There is no Republican party right now. I will not vote for any Republican who is not approved by Trump. Even DeSantis is he has to go against Trump.
It would not be a shock to me for the Republicans to lose this November. McConnell is virtually throwing away a Senate takeover already.
Yes sir: McConnell is complete swamp scum. He’s been on Communist China gravytrain for quite some time, and is probably as compromised as Biden.
https://theohiostar.com/2022/02/02/schweizer-mcconnell-linked-to-chinese-communist-party-through-wifes-family/
Why do you think McConnell is the only GOP power center available if Trump doesn’t run? That’s certainly not a black/white choice at this point.
Okay I’ll bite. Who are you seeing who has any power at all? If they already holding elected positions, why aren’t they already doing something? Are they self-financed? If not, they are for sale. That is DeSantis’ problem if he runs against Trump. Just ask Ted Cruz.
If you still see the world as “conservatives” vs “liberals”, you need to get out more. This is a global war of freedom-loving patriots vs the globalist Davos Nazis.
Ted Cruz could be a power center – he’s acted the constitutionalist part the last 5 years.
A few firebrands out in the wilderness could be power centers.
Others within the House could be power centers.
They would need enough support from the people to be able to put a wedge under McConnell and the other establishment statists.
Your act of “ZOMG! Trump or failure!!!” is foolish, though. It’s idol worship and pushing forward a single point of failure.
There is no one more freedom loving than DeSantis. Even while Trump was still president, DeSanatis was protecting the most vulnerable (the elderly and infirm), and he was opening our beaches and not bringing down the hammer of the state on all of us who chose to stop masking in the Spring of ’20, flouting Trump WuFlu “experts” Fauci and Birx. Trump should have fired them the minute he realized they were leading our country to disaster, but he didn’t. That’s not really excusable to me.
I’ll vote for Trump in 2024 if he wins the nomination, of course, but I would like to see him say that he royally f’d up by listening to the genocidal Fauci gnome and to the radical freak Birx. He won’t, though. Great men can admit their mistakes and demonstrate what they would do differently, but Trump is not a great man.
One of his main failings was that he cannot pick good people, those who might help make up for his personal deficits, and he doesn’t see the light soon enough on his very very bad choices, nor bring down the hammer soon enough. Trump’s ego is first to Trump, not America. That’s why he flailed with Sessions as AG, and that’s why he didn’t ditch Barr when he should have (or really, any of a long list of disastrous persons he had around him, up to and including Fauci).
That ego is a real problem. Stroke it, and he rolls over and shows his belly while wriggling and panting excitedly. FGS, he practically drooled over Kim Jong-Un over the slightest head-pat, and he decided Biden is an “okay guy” after Biden credited Trump for the WuFlu “vax” development and early distribution. Neither Kim not Biden are okay guys; they are disgusting tyrants (well, Biden is still in the wannabe stage). That they praised Trump doesn’t make them less evil . . . except to Trump.
I’m ready for a president who is not going to roll over for our nation’s enemies because they praised him or because he is too . . . what? . . . to fire people who are stupid and wrong. Trump’s impulse to open the country by Easter 2020 was right on target, so why didn’t he stick to his guns? I don’t think he’s weak, but he is clearly easily led by his ego and emotions. That’s a problem when we are talking about the President of the United States.
Fuzzy, that is one of the best analyses of Trump that I have seen. I would add that not learning the lesson of JFK and Obama – picking someone as close as a brother for AG – and trusting Kushner were IMO key errors. Chris Christie put Kushner’s father in prison and I believe that Kushner got Trump to dump him from leading the transition team and from consideration as AG, a position CC wanted. IMO had CC gotten the AG position a lot of bad things would not have happened – including not picking Sessions, Rosenstein, Wray or Barr, and no Mueller investigation – and Trump would still be President.
Joe Biden appreciates your tireless work on his behalf, and appreciates your work for his re-election to.
‘Conservatives’ who wouldn’t vote for Trump are not conservatives – or have no spine. Trump (and MAYBE De Santis) is our only hope.
If you think Trump is our only hope, then you’re not doing what you need to do to get our Republic back. Do NOT put your hopes in Trump as a savior! He is not a conservative (though he looks like one if you squint and hold him up against most of the other candidates from 2016 and before) and he will not be America’s savior. He might help give us some breathing room to do the things necessary to bring the country back to a constitutional basis.
If you want to save the Republic, then you’d best get out and start evangelizing America once again – including the moral foundation that made our freedom possible.
Talk to the hand. You are clueless. And stop talking about “conservatives”. There is no such animal.
Fine, there’s no such thing as “conservatives”. Whatever.
Let’s say “Constitutionalist”, then. I prefer it. Trump is not what I would consider to be entirely in line with the founding principles as I see them. He has a lot of pro-state baggage, and was heavily influenced by his family (many of whom are definitely not constitutionalists).
Again, you need to read much more closely what I write. I think you’re a fool for trusting in a single man to restore a Republic that took an entire people to establish.
Well, yes, Phil, there is such a thing as conservatives. I’m one, a Constitutional conservative, to be exact. Your dismissal of us–and we may not be legion, but we most certainly do exist–is identical to Princess Trudeau claiming that the #FreedomTruckers are a “fringe minority” with “unacceptable” ideas. I exist, Phil, and I’m conservative. Now what?
Remember that billionaire owner of the NBA Warriors?
https://nypost.com/2022/01/17/warriors-chamath-palihapitiya-no-one-cares-about-uyghurs/
He backed Ted Cruz in 2020. Is he one of your “conservatives”? Money talks, bullshit walks.
You’re a fool for assuming things about my arguments based on your preconceptions and things I did NOT write.
Trump is not a ‘savior’ but rather a canddiate who can WIN.
There aren’t enough true conservatives out there to win a national election on there own just as there aren’t enough Sanders types out there to win a national election. The conservatives will have a voice but are going to have to accept a candidate who also embraces some middle of the road ideas to win a national election. There aren’t enough true conservative house districts and senate seats as well.
I will agree with many that Trump has a big ego that he loves to have it stroked and he made some very poor choices with the people he surrounded himself with, many mentioned already, all add the two from Wisconsin to the list Preibus, he was a disaster, then he believed that Ryan could get legislation moved, especially the Obamacare replacement. He basically promised he had a replacement plan ready early in the first year, while it eventually made it out of house only to be shut down by another enemy in the form of McCain.
DeSantis is getting some important experience in dealing with the pandemic, keeping Florida open and dealing with a media bent on trying to dismiss his success. The left nows he will be a force to be reckoned with. As a Floridian I have mixed feelings about him running in 2024, if he runs his attention becomes diverted from running the state for two years right after winning re-election as governor.
It will be interesting to see the makeup of the house in 2023, it will have a great indication of where the republicans go forward especially in the 2024 cycle. I’m not sold on McCarthy being an effective speaker, I see him as all talk and no action. I also believe McConnell’s days are numbered, it is going to take a strong candidate to challenge and unseat him.
There are never enough “true conservatives”. And “politics is the art of the possible.”
And that’s why I keep beating on getting out there and evangelizing America. Teach people what it really means. Teach people what it requires. Make converts.
But don’t aim to make them Republicans or Conservatives. Aim to make them lovers of the American ideal and the Founding.
You can only have enough True Americans if you help them come to be.
You sound like a cultist. Trump is our savior oh lawdy lawdy!
Wait, this is the first time you’re seeing this in Fine? 😛
To Fuzzy: No. I have been overwhelmingly patient, and also trying to be polite.
Trump has been turned into a cult figure of almost Jim Jones proportions. He certainly was a superior president to the alternative, and much was accomplished.
But, his cabinet picks were as if he pulled names from one of those raffle ticket tumbler drums.
His failure to correct those bad choices showed either naivete, or just, plain, the inability to make decisions.
My choice in 2024? At this time, I lean heavily toward DeSantis.
Cruz had the image of a constitutionalist, but his mask fell completely away with that Jan 6 statement. Some have tried to excuse it with “it was a strategic move…”. Yeah. Like Trump’s 4-D chess of keeping crappy AGs, not firing half of the flag officers, and keeping the FBI under people far more evil that John Edgar Hoover ever was.
Neither of the women offer a thing.
Uh oh. You’ve gone and done it now.
I would say that Trump is only a cult figure to some. I think a great many see him as a useful tool for breaking open the “Deep State”.
I am one of those who think Trump could now be most useful as a kingmaker rather than a king. (The use of ‘king’ there is entirely rhetorical.) But even that is a bit dangerous when it comes to a chunk of “centrist” voters.
(I think ‘centrists’ are not so much that as people who don’t want to be thought poorly of, so they sit on the fence – often while it’s being moved quite a distance underneath them.)
Agreed.
Griz/Fuzzy- you’ve stated 90% of what I’m hearing in my district.
They’ll support him if he makes it, but outside of the cult, everyone is either “wait n see” or “please don’t”
I personally think only about 10-20% of his ego was trouble. He pissed off a lot of the right people. However don’t bring your mouth to a gun fight if you can’t win against the swamp.
Trump has been turned into a cult figure of almost Jim Jones proportions. He certainly was a superior president to the alternative, and much was accomplished.
But, his cabinet picks were as if he pulled names from one of those raffle ticket tumbler drums.
His failure to correct those bad choices showed either naivete, or just, plain, the inability to make decisions.
IMO Trump picked people for his Cabinet and the courts the same way he would pick people for his business enterprises. He was assuming a certain degree of shared goals, and that they were not traitors bent on destroying him. In the business world, taking a position in a company solely to destroy your boss would severely limit your employment prospects later even if you succeeded.
But in the Stalinist political world we now have in the US such treason is not only rewarded, it is expected if you want to have a life after Trump. Remember the calls to blacklist former Trump administration officials from employment in the private or government sectors?
Moreover, if Trump did fire them, how could he NOT expect to get more of the same with their replacements? Trump – any Republican president, for that matter – would have to work with a Congressional GOP leadership that is only marginally better than their Communist BFFs. Any Cabinet or court nominee who is a true outsider would have to face down the wrath of both the Republican AND Communist Party Establishments. That is a staggering order. If you are forced to work with devils, maybe the one you know is less worse than the one you don’t.
So you’re saying that no one at all, not even Trump, can drain the swamp? After all, you note, “Moreover, if Trump did fire them, how could he NOT expect to get more of the same with their replacements?,” as if that is some kind of validation of Trump’s disastrous hires. We aren’t only talking about Trump appointees that require Congressional approval. He picked all the wrong people all the time and never got rid of them (or if he did, it was months or years after he should have). He didn’t need Congressional approval to ditch the genocidal Fauci gnome, as but one example.
Fuzzy: come on. Besides Ron De Santis – who else is a conservative candidate who can win in 2024, besides Trump?
[Trump] didn’t need Congressional approval to ditch the genocidal Fauci gnome, as but one example.
Trump fired Comey. That did not exactly drain the swamp at the FBI. He also pushed out Sessions as AG, only to get Barr. Dumping Fauci is something Trump should have done (and failed to do), but the problem in the Federal bureaucracy is MUCH more than getting rid of some of the orcs at the top.
So you’re saying that no one at all, not even Trump, can drain the swamp?
At the moment – unfortunately, yes. That does not mean there is no chance for changes, but IMO the tipping point has not been reached. In 1985 Milton Friedman wrote The Tyranny of the Status Quo, in which he writes about the tendency of policies that threaten the status quo to be undermined by unelected bureaucrats and self-serving politicians. He was writing about Reagan’s and Thatcher’s frustrations, but the same situation applies today (if anything it is worse). The Federal behemoth is vastly larger and more powerful – and more totalitarian – than it was in 1985. I have seen too many people with good intentions and great ides go to Washington, only to be crushed by the Iron Triangle (as Friedman called it). Desantis may prove me wrong (I hope so), but history has not been kind to anyone who seeks to drain the Swamp.
Grizzly, now you’re mouthing Pelosi’s words. We are cultists? Is that a new trope? Are we conspiracy theorists too? Sounds to me like you have run out of arguments and are just resorting to name calling. I have learned first hand that politics is bare-knuckled sport. The professional politicians who succeed are ALL egomaniacs who feign humility who will stop at nothing to win. If they all dropped their masks, it would be a horrifying sight to behold at the monsters who rule us.
So Trump doesn’t get into that game and we see exactly who he is. Isn’t that we have always been looking for? Apparently not! The reason we are rule by masked liars is because we require it!
Trump campaigned on specific issues and delivered. He tells the truth. He wasn’t a George HW Bush who “disinfected” the White House of everything even remotely connected to Reagan and then begin the march to the NWO. He wasn’t a George W Bush who despite being a “born again Christian” wearing his virtue on his sleeves, his pants, his head, went on to deliver on 2 of the 3 Ted Kennedy lifetime ambitions: Social Security Part B benefit (first entitlement in almost 40 years), and “No Child Left Behind. And he almost delivered on blanket amnesty too.
Do I have to get into Dole, McCain and Romney? No, the Stupid Party is dirty because we keep getting sucked in by the “nice guys”. The “stupid” in the party is the conservative block that is all virtue signalling and keeping their little echo chamber pure. We have run out of time. Either get into the game or get out.
Trump is a disaster. If he is the nominee, the Republicans will lose the election, Hilda may become the President, with Liz Warren as VP. The Dems and the MSM have done all they can to neuter DeSantis. Not sure if he can weather the firestorm that will be the coverage of him in a run for the WH. Of course, the MSM and Silicon Valley will have it out for any Republican. Best that someone identified as more to the center than Trump be the candidate. And someone who has no substantive ties to Trump. Trump really is poison at this point. You could almost say, as to coattails, he is Biden-esque.
DeSantis has a direct path to the presidency…. (pay attention Fuzzy) IF he resists the siren’s call to flip on Trump. As we can see already, Trump is THE ONLY ONE whose endorsement has teeth. THE ONLY ONE! That is what this year is about.
Also, Florida is a purple state that has only recently started leaning red thanks to DeSantis. But he just barely won his election the first time and is running for re-election this year. Florida needs him to finish the job. And America needs Trump to finish what he started and what ONLY HE can finish.
This touchy-feely approach to politics by Fuzzy is incredibly foolish and naive. Trump clearly loves his country and I repeat, has been the most effective conservative president in Mark Levin’s lifetime (and mine). His brashness and fearlessness and financial independence is exactly what is needed here. Okay, so he is not the “nice guy” Fuzzy is looking for (yeesh!) but that is the paint that keeps people like Fuzzy painted in their corners. They are afraid of stepping on the paint. So they wait for the paint to dry while the opportunity walks away.
Trump is the ONLY ONE available and the future belongs to the bold, not to the “sensible, reasonable” people who are forever putting their pants on while lies are circling the world.
So sure, let’s draft DeSantis as the GOP candidate after pissing off Trump. Let’s allow McConnell’s Gang of 19 to blow the opportunity this November and see how far DeSantis gets in 2024 when he learns the lesson Cruz had to learn in 2020 when he couldn’t raise money and started taking dirty money here in CA.
Geez, I can’t figure out why they call the GOP the Stupid Party.
So you want a repeat of 2020 when we failed to win the majority of the voters or the electoral college?
Here is a rule of thumb
“If I am supporting gatekeeping my side into never retaking the senate house and presidency by excluding swing voters I need to STFU and stop putting my faith in princes”.
There is not only a good reason not to select Trump as our 2024 nominee Trump is insisting that Vice President Pence had the power to over rule the 2020 election (Note HE ABSOLUTELY DID NOT).
If Trump can’t or won’t get over his defeat in 2020 he needs to get out of the way.
Watch this Timcast featuring Marjorie Taylor Greene and Thomas Massie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9wfTQBDjTE
You can’t possibly walk away believing that the Republican party is not colluding with the Democrats at all levels. The leadership of “BOTH” wings of the Uniparty are in lock step. It’s all kabuki theater and nothing has changed.
BTW, I’ll bet that Greene is even less popular in your crowd than Trump. She is not getting ANY help from her party. And she is dead right.
As crazy as it may seem, I like following Lin Wood on Telegram. There is some logic to his bottle throwing. When he said the GA Election including the run off race was Fupped, he was right. He did raise over 1 M then thrown to the wolves for Rittenhouse. The message is being controlled.
I am still waiting for the great stuff coming from Sidney and Flynn. Actually what did Flynn do? I suspect maybe Trump wanted to keep him in his box until the end.
According to the trustworthy Newsweek /s
Pro-Trump Attorney Lin Wood Claims Mike Lindell ‘Played’ by ‘Deep State’
Funny thing is, I think Lin Wood is right. I really like Lindell, but he as had a couple of face plants with some of his experts. He had one guy that could have blown the election thing wide open and he had a stroke.
Hey, Patrick Bryrne is on my follow list, but his little Russia girl friend story makes me thinks that guy lack common sense.
Other then 80% of his appointments being wrong (either fooled by his advisors or made bad judgement), he messed up on Assange.
Maybe it is the plan of 4d Chess, but his vax stance stucks too.
He seems to be the best chance we have, but I was listening to Bannon and the guy he had one said the change has to be local and organic. Get involved in the 2022 election. I am, I signed up to be an election judge and I am reviewing the voter registration list to those that voted in the last election. There are issues, but it is not as apparent as it seems. Get Involved and away from your computer and don’t wait until 2024.
To add to this, I have been assisting with voting fraud reviews in my state. It is interesting that some in the group think Youngkin is a shrill for the globalist.
There was even talk that he had China help to getting elected. Someone I really like is
Virginia Lieutenant Governor Winsome Earle-Sears.
Linn does it again, crazy like a fox: (from Telegram)
Beware of the “red wave” propaganda where establishment candidates are selected, not elected.
Members of North Carolina Audit Force weren’t duped by a presentation hosted by the NCGOP with Cleta Mitchell.
The topic? The “Virginia Model” widely promoted by Josh Pratt and Michael Flynn.
The audience was told that the election machines were not the issue.
That a strong presence of poll watchers and Republican election engagement was the reason why Carlyle Group Globalist Glenn Youngkin was selected by Dominion machines.
Let me remind you, I sat in on a presentation by Josh Pratt in Phoenix with a giant cardboard cutout of Patrick Byrne and Michael Flynn, who co-sponsored the event with “America Pack” behind the speakers.
Not one mention of the corrupt election machines.
I believe Mitch McConnell because he forced MTG to apologize to me for all of her anti-Semitism.
The only contribution she has made is that Republican leadership is planning revenge exclusions from committee if they win 2022; but because you want Dems to remain in control you don’t care so she has done nothing from your perspective.
The democrat mob operates on the basis of intimidation, then retaliation, followed by retribution.
And American women sit by while Marjorie Taylor Greene is ruthlessly abused by schoolyard bullies. They’ll be coming for you too soon enough.
MTG is disgusted with what she sees in DC, and she has been exiled by the democrat cabal. You want her fired? Do not believe their lies. They are professional liars. They are incapable of winning without lying. Generally, about anything.
Let the rallies begin and we’ll see who gets the most votes. Trump, DeSantis, Cruz, Halley, Graham, Noem or Pence. I included Pence as a joke. 0% for Pence.
And 0% for Haley and Noem; well, their vaginas might get them something like 2%, maybe 3%, since the left’s identity politics has seeped deep into the GOP (and, far more alarmingly, into its voters). Graham isn’t going to run, so who cares, and Pence is an insipid pile of poo. Cruz had his moment, and it won’t come again because he really screwed the pooch with his J6 was a “violent terrorist attack” lie.–and I mean really really screwed. the. pooch (even I am done with him explicitly because of that statement and all it reveals about him.). Of the remaining ones on your list, I like DeSantis best.
the left’s identity politics has seeped deep into the GOP (and, far more alarmingly, into its voters)
This is the Progressivism I keep banging on about. And it has corrupted a much larger portion of the electorate than “the left”.
Fuzzy, you pride yourself with “knowing how the system works” while condescending to people like me as if we are naive. Watch that Timcast video I linked above with Thomas Massie and Marjorie Taylor Greene, THAT is how the system works. Where are the “conservatives”? They are just cast members who play their roles in the Grand Kabuki!
I am done with labels and have been for a long time. You can box yourself in a corner sniping at people who want more to be arguing about who is a “real conservative” as their main occupation. Even Mark “Slash” Levin declared that Trump is the most conservative president we’ve had in his lifetime. And he is not a even a conservative.
So if you want to be a proud member in a club that keeps losing elections because they only campaign as conservatives but never EVER deliver (because it’s never EVER the right time to do the right thing!), keep a closed mind. But Trump WINS and GETS CONSERVATIVE THING DONE!
I wasn’t condescending to you, Phil; though you certainly are in this comment condescending to (and contemptuous of) me. You claimed that no such animal as a conservative exists, so I pointed out that I exist, and yes, I am a Constitutional conservative. You can be done with labels all day long, but if you are, don’t assert that some “label” doesn’t exist.
Here’s a quick note: insulting, condescending to, and belittling me is not going to change my mind. Nor will WRITING IN ALL CAPS.
Cruz can bounce back from the J6 stuff. DeSantis isn’t immune from being wrong either- wait- it’ll come.
Hell I’d even take Rand Paul- but he’s way down the list and doesn’t fight hard enough. Knowing the right words to say for the camera doesn’t make a good president.
Cruz isn’t bouncing back from that with me. I honestly didn’t believe he said it until I saw the video. And I’m done with him. This is a character thing, a how far are you willing to go to toe the leftist line line thing; it’s not an “oops” thing to me. Cruz sounding like deep state darling Liz let’s find a country to bomb Cheney I didn’t have on my bingo card. And yet.
Down voting my comment is down voting acknowledging the reality of opinions heard in conservative circles. These are people who are the registered voters who will, w/out exception be voting OUT Herrara-buetler in the primary.
I’ll take Cruz or Desantis as quick as I’ll take Trump. Trump’s stardom came from winning against crooked odds. He was good at it until he wasn’t.
The “it was rigged” schtict doesn’t play with me. We know it was rigged. He knew it was rigged. Find a way to fucking win anyway. Otherwise go get a table with 3x loser Dino Rossi.
I pretty much agree with much of your comment, Andy, but that bizarre stuff at the beginning is . . . bizarre. You wrote, “Down voting my comment is down voting acknowledging the reality of opinions heard in conservative circles.” Well, no, down voting your comment is a down vote of your comment. There is no greater meaning, and no, those people who beat you up and took your lunch money were not “jealous” of you. They wanted your lunch money.
The left has trained us to see ourselves as “representing.” You don’t represent anything beyond your own opinion and point of view. A down vote means that your opinion and point of view in a given comment are not appreciated and that the down voter doesn’t agree with what you said. Period.
I’m one of them. If Trump runs I’ll vote for him. I like what he did in office. But he’s not my first choice, which would be DeSantis. As a Floridian I’ve seen what the Governor has done, how he’s kept the state open, fought extended lockdowns and mandates and vax passports, and has stood up to the leftists. He’s like Trump but with an off switch for his ego.
Maybe you should hang around a better class of conservative.
Hard to believe tens of millions died over the shooting of some minor bit of royalty in some small country no one even knew exisited.
The crossing in Blaine Wa was / is shut down too.
Avoid the temptation to believe that the majority of people view this as we do. They don’t. Much of Canada (and the US) LOVES the crisis and government control and has no desire to be free.
This is not about a mask that does nothing and a vaccine that doesn’t stop the spread. This is about power over your body and their ability to force you to submit and comply.
Let’s see if that ‘majority’ is willing to fight for their fascism. Truckers sure will – if you lift the hood on the military, you’ll find them all through the ranks, save for swamp generals, and rat colonels, like our own Vindman.
https://defconnews.com/2020/07/08/rat-snitch-traitor-alexander-vindman-retires-from-army-citing-trump-bullying/
Despite what Bush Jr said, most people in the world do NOT desire freedom. Freedom is scary and has risks and requires a lot of responsibility. Almost all people would much prefer to have all of that scary responsibility and risk fall on someone else, deriving their comfort and security from that. The people who innately desire freedom are few and far between.
The American character was partly founded on the Christianity-derived Enlightenment and partly on being away from “home” – it drove a self-governing ethos peculiar to us and able to support the concept of a free republic. Even then, there were still those – in 1776 and beyond – who preferred wealth and the tranquility of servitude.
This is why I keep saying you must evangelize America’s founding principles. If you do not, those who love things other than freedom will outpace you and give away all your freedom at the ballot box.
And American schools used to do that… before the gibsmedats figured out there was a better percentage in teaching your kiddies Something Completely Different.
Don’t blame the ‘gibsmedats’. Blame the folks who started all this: the Progressives.
“Public” education (as opposed to community education – what you see in tv and movies about the west, with a schoolmarm and a little schoolhouse) has always been a progressive tool to evangelize and indoctrinate progressivism. And it has snowballed with every generation.
The ‘gibsmedats’ are just a tool of exploitation to buy the loyalty of some of the serfs. It didn’t break down the civics.
The left’s goal is to make people live in fear, and no matter how exhaustively you pander to them, they still won’t respect you.
“We have lost not only the “can-do” attitude of past generations, but the “MUST-do” attitude of our forefathers. We have allowed ourselves to become reduced from Patrick Henry’s proud cry of “liberty or death” to the sniveling, whining idea that we are owed something. We have gone from being the honorable defenders of freedom, to being told we are the problem.”
Kit Lange
Exactly. Never underestimate the deadly, toxic effect of “safetyism”, and the horrific acts people will commit (or tolerate) so they can Feel Good About Themselves (TM) or Make The World A Better Place (TM).
Every genocidal dictatorship (Nazi Germany, Soviet Union, Communist China, revolutionary Iran, Kampuchea, etc.) has promised protection against some dread Force of Darkness – and gotten millions of ordinary people to participate in (or at least excuse) their crimes.
So this is why they have been pushing Russian influence in propping up the protests eh…then it’s much easier to invoke the emergencies act little fuckface wants to use.
Also, funny how in their desperate attempt to prove they aren’t little dictators that the dive deeper in to be dictators! Fucking liberal fucks!
The Ukraine crisis is COMPLETELY manufactured by Biden’s handlers. Genocide is always the left’s goal.
Only one province? There’s still a blockade in both Alberta and British Columbia.
Trudeau should just be upfront: Call it Martial Law.
Then see where things go next election.
If that cuck calls it Martial Law, he will see where it does the next day.
Could he be more openly a totalitarian fascist? I think not.
Oh yes, he could be much more openly and gruesomely one. This is not the part where later generations gasp in horror. It’s the part where future generations ask “How could they have let this happen?”
Yet he showed up for parties with BLM. Canada you know what you have to do.
He’s setting up a very clear comparison between this group and other previous groups. It won’t be unnoticed. Moreover, should a left-wing group successfully stage a protest a future govt would need to explain why they won’t invoke this same act. This is a foolish tantrum IMO on the part of the govt that could potentially widen the protest based on the govt response.
I wonder what strings Poopy Pants will pull when the US version of the convoy is supposed to roll next month.
Truckers showed good strategy. Take a lesson from George Washington. Fight a battle and retreat. Keep moving and keep your army intact.
Well, now he’s gone and done it.
reasonable and proportionate to the threats they are meant to address
So… basically non-existent? Yeah, I didn’t think so.
This is about keeping Canadians safe, protecting people’s jobs, and restoring confidence in our institutions.
No, it isn’t aboot keeping any Canadians safe.
The only jobs it’s about protecting are the phony-baloney jobs in the gov’t – specifically Parliament’s and the Prime Minister’s. Harumph!
And it isn’t interested in confidence in institutions so much as obedience to those institutions.
Justin True-Dope, Master of Disguise, aka Justin Castreau, has gone ‘full retard’.
Never go full retard.
Canada just became a dictatorship.
Secession anyone? It’s the future, whether we like it or not.
Secede from Canada? I think we already did that.
Oh, you mean Canadian provinces….
“…the scope of these measures will be time-limited, geographically targeted, as well as reasonable and proportionate to the threats they are meant to address.”
I read that as “Forever, everywhere, used against anybody we want.” Sound about right?
Never forget that Hitler did NOT violently grab power. He was installed as chancellor to head a minority government in an effort to appease the citizenry by a bloated and corrupt political system.
Damn if that doesn’t really resonate this century.
War…or…slavery?
I wasn’t there when he did take power, but what I’ve read suggests strongly that a measurable amount of violence early on, at his directive, took place often and violently.
I feel sorry for the people of Canada, they are being ruled by a communist dictator.
What is communist about him? The authoritarian crackdown seems as much fascist as communist to me, and I don’t know of any communist economic policies he has (and economics is the heart and soul of communism. Bad economics but reject the economic policies and you have rejected communism).
We are often disappointed in judges appointed by our side, especially judges named John Roberts who frequently go wobbly.
If you are ever despairing that we lost this or that case at the supreme court however read this article, read it again, and then read it again while reminding yourself
“6 Supreme Court justices make this impossible in this country thank you every Republican senator who got those justices confirmed”.