Teammates of Transgender Swimmer at UPenn Reportedly Uncomfortable With Locker Room Nudity
“we were basically told that we could not ostracize Lia by not having her in the locker room and that there’s nothing we can do about it”
Female students on the UPenn swim team are apparently uncomfortable sharing the locker room with transgender swimmer Lia Thomas, who is still biologically male. Who can blame them?
Follow the logic here. If a male who identifies as male exposes himself in a college women’s locker room, it’s indecent exposure, but if the same biological male identifies as female, it’s no big deal?
In any other context, this would be indecent exposure.
To protect Lia’s feelings, we subject young women to a sex crime.https://t.co/AVGPQ3vx99
— Abigail Shrier (@AbigailShrier) January 27, 2022
Shawn Cohen reports in the Daily Mail:
EXCLUSIVE: ‘We’re uncomfortable in our own locker room.’ Lia Thomas’ UPenn teammate tells how the trans swimmer doesn’t always cover up her male genitals when changing and their concerns go ignored by their coach
Sharing a locker room with transgender swimmer Lia Thomas has become a point of contention for some of her University of Pennsylvania teammates, who feel uncomfortable changing in the private space with someone undergoing gender transition, the DailyMail.com can reveal.
‘It’s definitely awkward because Lia still has male body parts and is still attracted to women,’ one swimmer on the team told DailyMail.com in an exclusive interview.
Lia has told her teammates that she dates women.
While Lia covers herself with a towel sometimes, there’s a decent amount of nudity, the swimmer said. She and others have had a glimpse at her private parts.
She stated that team members have raised their concern with the coach, trying to get Thomas ousted from the female locker room, but got nowhere.
‘Multiple swimmers have raised it, multiple different times,’ the UPenn swimmer said. ‘But we were basically told that we could not ostracize Lia by not having her in the locker room and that there’s nothing we can do about it, that we basically have to roll over and accept it, or we cannot use our own locker room.’
‘It’s really upsetting because Lia doesn’t seem to care how it makes anyone else feel,’ the swimmer continued. ‘The 35 of us are just supposed to accept being uncomfortable in our own space and locker room for, like, the feelings of one.’
Some of these young women are clearly being intimidated into silence. They’re terrified of being called transphobic.
Patrick Reilly reports at the New York Post:
“The school was so focused on making sure Lia was okay, and doing everything they possibly could do for her, that they didn’t even think about the rest of us,” the teammate told the Daily Mail.
The swimmer said that Thomas “seems like she enjoys” all the attention the controversy has brought to herself.
“It’s affected all of us way more than it’s affected her,” Thomas’ teammate said.
The swimmer told the outlet that most of the team is scared to speak out about their discomfort for fear of being labeled “transphobic.”
“If this gets a little bit bigger, I might go on the record, but I’m definitely a little afraid,” she said. “What I’m afraid of is that potential employers will Google my name and see commentary about things I said and think, oh, this person’s transphobic.”
It’s just amazing that these young women are being put through this in the name of wokeness.
How is this not a complete violation of women’s rights? Men who pee in public are put on sex offender lists and yet female athletes are being subjected to male genitals in their own locker room. It is outrageous and completely unacceptable. https://t.co/qHmTedbIZz
— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) January 28, 2022
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Here is a perfect squandered opportunity to fight back. The girls should all quit the swim team-period, that’s it. Don’t say a word, don’t respond to threats, don’t engage in dialogue. Let the pusillanimous administrators stew in their own juice. If they are threatened with expulsion Hillsdale will welcome them.
It’s a great idea. But, the practical reality is most of those girls are likely on partial or full scholarships. Only Div III are allowed to offer athletic scholarships. So, Hillsdale or other smaller colleges may simply not be an option for the swimmers, economically.
What makes matters worse is that there’s a reasonably good chance if they did something like this, they would be persona non grata at a significant number of other schools, particularly those in the Ivy League.
If they can’t afford college on their own and can’t get an academic scholarship, then they shouldn’t be in college in the first place. Simple as.
(Although being women, they already enjoy a much greater selection of scholarship opportunities than… “Lia” Thomas. Ironically.)
This particular issue, as debased as it is, is also revealing severe dysfunctions all the way through the modern university system. Title IX is just the tip of the “athletic scholarship” scam. These girls are no different than the college football Neanderthals who graduate with a “rocks for jocks” degree.
Don’t quit, just swim super slow. Let the tranny win by record amounts.
Or take a page from the classic “blue flu” and have everyone coincidentally be too ill to go to the next meet.
don’t even dive in. Stand still and watch him swim alone.
I think you meant only Div III are allowed to offer academic scholarships to athletes….but your point is made otherwise.
Yeah, I meant to say ‘only Division I…..’
Or, how to make college age women turn conservative.
Libertarianism is self-governing. Conservativism is self-moderating. Progressivism is monotonic. Liberalism is divergent (from normal).
More like make anyone turn conservative. I wouldn’t want to use a locker room with this “guy” either.
In the world of things I am concerned about, in the least, this falls well below my concern that the temperature in Metro Phoenix is 50 degrees as I type this. (Sorry, that’s cold.)
You’re concerned about nudity in the locker room and your teammate is flapping his dick around? Call the police. Report him. Or, don’t swim. Stand on the blocks when the gun goes off. Or quit and file a sexual discrimination suit for locker room conduct being allowed by Penn.
Bottom line? Do something other than whining. Out here in the real world that is really tiresome and honestly, most people – at least those capable of rational thought – don’t give a damn.
Truly, 50 degrees is not cold. Cold is this: My snow blower auger froze up from ice, after many days of below zero temps, three weeks ago. When I fired it up, the pulley tore the auger belt into 1/2. For the 2 weeks it took for Amazon to ship me a replacement belt, I was forced to shovel snow in repeated snow storms, for a quarter of a mile, in below zero temps with the wind chill often at 30 below. Fortunately, this year was warm, with temps only going 18 below zero. In past years, the temps often dipped to 30 below. In those temps, my chickens and all the wild animals were forced to venture out, to seek food. That’s cold.
That is cold. Of course everything is relative. When we had 4 below last year here in Texas, it set a record. “City” water in rural areas was shut off to save the system from breakage. Power was out in large areas (our co-op gets power from the Comanche Peak Nuke, which didn’t have the problems the much further South and unprepared for freezing Houston area Nuke facility had. We had power without interruption).
I have friends who live along the Canadian border and they would laugh if I complained about “cold weather”. But when we had -4, they had (IIRC) a low in the teens.
it was -22F yesterday morning (no wind chill involved) and the LPG tank was so cold my 180,000 btu on demand hot water heater would not fire.
at -12F heater started to work.
the -12 was at 10am eastern time
huh just looked at logs and at 0711 hit -26F for few moments.
shows pic of logs
Have to ask… where do you live? Siberia?
I used to live in NH. I understand “cold.” Move to Phoenix and your blood thins out in a hurry. I used to cut and split wood in a flannel shirt at zero degrees. Today, with thinned out blood, I wear a sweater at 65. 😎
I noted to a friend the other day that in Phoenix, blood freezes at 64F.
MEtoo. It took about two years before I unboxed my LL Bean winter wear.
The older and wiser retired Minnesotans snowbird to Phoenix, When I visited my parents in the 1970s-1980s in Sun City, I would often see residents walking the beautiful palm-lined streets in those winter coats. It was so incongruous, to be funny. What was also sad, but funny was the sight of the big cars they drove. Reaction times decrease as one ages, so they would often crash their big Cadillac’s and large sedans into those palm trees or even walking seniors. There was always a monthly toll of victims, like a war zone..
I’m now older and retired, but not snowbirding, as my parents did. Maybe they were right that all those years of rock and roll must have addled my brain.
Reminds me of my days in the Air Force at Northern Tier bases.
I think you’d sing a different tune if it was your daughter in that position…or maybe granddaughter by the looks of your pic.
Regardless, it’s a bad position to put women in and I’d think you could respect that, especially when the adults and civil authorities that are supposed to be in charge are in no certain terms telling you to shut up about it and embrace it in the name of progress.
No, I would not. If it was a family member I would tell them exactly the same thing. I’d be more than happy to volunteer my lawyer for law suit. But other than that, it’s stand up and be counted or shut the fuck up.
Life is all about handling difficult situations. Walk away from them and that says everything I need to know about your priorities. If it’s a big deal then you damn well better be willing to make a big deal out of it.
So, you walk away from your dreams and that somehow makes your point?
If your “dreams” are in a swimming pool for lap times and even if you set world records, in five years they’re worth essentially nothing.
My dreams are standing for what is right. I happen think letting this guy run around with his wank out in the women’s dressing room is wrong. “I” am not the one who is directly being attacked by this behavior, the women on the team are. If they aren’t willing to stand on principle then I’m sure as hell not lending them any of mine. I don’t have “standing” in court to bring a suit. They do.
And if their dreams – which right now seem to be having their asses kicked routinely by a guy pretending to be a woman – preclude their standing up, then I don’t care.
You have a really shallow concept of dreams.
lol….backseat driving on dreams, ease up grumpy old man and take a lap or two around the world.
Read the full account from the dailymail article and see what is actually going on.
If you’re retired and don’t have anything to lose any more you also have no skin in the game of career prospects, so it’s easy for you to sit back and say to “quit”.
You gonna get some hate for that comment.
I agree with your comment completely. But you gonna get some hate!
He is not a woman, and in my opinion, he will never be a woman.
However, I see that people writing about it refer to him as a “she”. And before anyone points it out: yes, I know, the author here does NOT do that.
We hold this belief, some based on science, some based on religion, some based on both. Then why call him a “she”?
Isn’t that a way to surrender your right to free speech?
So NO, HE is not a woman.
And NO, I am not “misgendering” him. He is a “he”.
Now sue me.
He won’t ever be a biological woman but if he has his junk removed I might be willing to use feminine pronouns. Until he demonstrates that level of permanent personal commitment then why should anyone else be expected to support the cosplay that he himself clearly hasn’t fully embraced?
Getting his junk removed will make him an eunuch, not a woman.
Still a “he”.
Sure, as I clearly stated he will never be a biological woman but if he’s willing to demonstrate his commitment to his cosplay by removing his junk then I am willing to consider using feminine pronouns.
Note I am not promising to do so, just declaring the minimum threshold for me to consider the idea of participating in his cosplay. Until he demonstrates that he has fully invested into the idea it’s unreasonable to expect others to do so.
I’ll be happy to be the anesthesiologist – I’ll recommend local mepivacaine, no epi.
The surest sign that the ‘fight’ was over before it started is that Fox News refers to him as “she.” They all do it and even Tucker has to stilt his language to avoid saying it’s a man. That tells me Orders must have come down.
I will never understand why sheeple accept changes to language without a baa.
Just treat it as a nudist camp.
All of the women on the team need to stop going to practice until the person with the dick is not allowed in the locker room.
They don’t have the balls to stop. Literally and figuratively.
“‘It’s definitely awkward because Lia still has male body parts and is still attracted to women,’ one swimmer on the team told DailyMail.com in an exclusive interview… The swimmer said that Thomas “seems like she enjoys” all the attention the controversy has brought to herself.”
“LIA THOMAS IS A DICK.”
Big signs. What are they going to do to you that’s worse than what they’re doing already?
Wow, it’s almost like people who fantasize about mutilating their own bodies by cutting off their sex organs are mentally ill, or something.
What could they do? Eliminate her scholarship and bill her the $40,000.00 plus annual cost to attend might be one answer to that question.
It’s also the answer to another question:
“Would you let a guy swing his junk in your face for $40,000?”
“We’ve already established what you are, now we’re just negotiating the price.”
Either take a stand or shut up, ladies.
The school’s attitude is unbelievable. If one of the girls on the team were to be raped by this person whom they know “is still attracted to women”, Penn could be on the hook for many millions. What does it take, one of these people beating Katie Ledecky’s records for the sports hierarchy to pay any attention?
I’m old enough to remember when a dude flashing his junk in a lady’s bathroom/locker-room was a misdemeanor, maybe even a felony.
In NYC you can shoot a policeman and be out on bail a couple of hours later. If you don’t believe me, ask Camrin Williams. He rapped about it all the way home.
And “lesbian trapped in a man’s body” was a joke, not a victim category.
I wondered why these women didn’t stand up for themselves. Then it occurred to me they could lose their scholarships if they did. If this is true it makes it even more unair.
Ivy League schools do not hand out athletic scholarships
Yep. A previous commented said we already know what these women are. We are now just negotiating the price.
What’s the difference between the Penn women’s locker room and a typical neighborhood cookout?
In the case of the cookout, the person who “brings the meat” is generally appreciated.
Wait until an other Ivy league school sponsors three trans swimmers. The real girls are in their own woke pickle. They are getting an education …that’s for sure.
Just not the one they asked for.
It used to be called deviant sexual behavior: “Behaviors where individuals seek erotic gratification through means that are considered odd, different, or unacceptable to most of the persons in one’s community”
They have taken off the correct label “sexually deviant behavior” and replaced it with a phony label called “transgender”. And then forced people to accept it. “Look at that man. Now close your eyes. Hocus locus. Open your eyes. It’s now a woman.”
And everyone is expected to go along with the charade.
Who would have thought that The Emperor’s New Clothes would be a college play in the locker room?
Let’s all pretend that the chick with the dïck is really a woman.
If they would just scream & kick him in the nuts every time he walks in I’ll bet he’d stop walking in.
I understand the position the young women are in if they have athletic scholarships, but it really doesn’t let them off the hook for taking a stand. If having a biological male in your locker room upsets them, then don’t use the locker room. The young women should band together and work out a different arrangement for themselves. Maybe they can’t force him out of their space, but they can carve out a new space for themselves and exclude him. I was one of the first women to attend an all-male college, and the head of the athletic department thought it was funny to invade our privacy, When it became apparent none of the women would use the locker room, a reporter from the local newspaper decided it was story. Right now, the sympathy for the women is growing, but there are still people who believe the women should just shut up and swim. There has to be a solution if they put their heads together.
Well mom, women no longer have a leg to stand on. When feminists demanded that women reporters should allowed in mens locker rooms, everyone was all happy crazy about it.
Now that men are in women’s locker room, everyone gets their panties in a twist.
Woman can’t have it both ways.
The solution here is manifest! Turn away. If you’re on the blocks with him, don’t enter the water. Just scratch as the gun goes off. Say nothing. Just turn your back and walk away. They can’t kick you off the team for felling unwell. (BTW at Penn, as throughout the Ivies, there are no athletic scholarships.) MAKE HIM SWIM ALONE! Yes, it will cost the team the points you may have won, but that is a small price to pay for doing what is right. Act the same in the locker room. MAKE HIM CHANGE ALONE! Wear your suits under your clothes. If you take collective action, your male counterparts (the Men’s Team) will join you. Ditto the parents and fans (assuming they allow any into the stands). You deserve your privacy and safe spaces–as well as a level playing field. The Eastern’s and NCAA’s are perfect venues to undertake these actions. So far, what little coverage the media is giving this has kept your names out of print. Just don’t give anyone your name–again, don’t speak out. Just withdraw. John Galt them!
It would be great if the female swimmers from all the Ivy League schools could get together and agree that no swimmers will enter the pool until he has finished his race. So the real race starts when he touches the wall.
‘They can’t kick you off the team for felling unwell.’
As a private school UPenn can kick them off for just about anything.
Then they can transfer to another school. No one has to attend UP.
Transgender (e.g. homosexual) or trans-social (e.g. transvestite)?
Interesting. Wonder what would happen if indecent exposure charges were filed? Has the law been changed to recognize this situation?
What if one of the Seniors decided to file a sexual harassment my charge against the school the day after she finished her last swim meet? Seems to me the university is KNOWINGLY creating an environment where sexual harassment (exposure) is taking place?
Also, will the university admit it’s been played when Lia moves past dating women, to marrying one?
My bet. Wee Willie Winky will all of a sudden become a man again after graduation.
Why don’t they instate a rule that only fully transitioned persons can compete? It seems such a simple solution. And what about the transition drugs? Isn’t any form of doping already banned? Can all the girls and boys take estrogen or progesterone shots or would they get kicked off the team?
The NCAA, following the guidelines established by WADA, allows levels of estrogen and testosterone in athletes are undergoing ‘transition.’ How the mechanics of that policy actually work, I don’t know.
With respect to ‘fully transitioned’ athletes only being allowed to compete, I would point out that once a male has completed puberty, he’s likely always going to enjoy a significant muscle-mass and lung-capacity advantage over any female athlete no matter what he cuts off or what he injects. Lungs and hearts don’t shrink and muscle mass doesn’t dissipate as quickly as some might believe in these ‘transitioned’ athletes. IOW, their inherent advantages, while lessened perhaps, do not abate entirely.
My bet is that “Lea” has no intention of fully transitioning. This is a gaming of the system. Make them prove they are serious. It won’t end the inequity or the misogyny, but it will make it harder for men to play dominance games in women’s locker rooms.
If you wonder who feminists are silent about this blatant form of sexual harassment, then one word sums up their reticence: abortion.
To many feminists, abortion is not merely a civil right, but a sacred and holy rite not to be blasphemed. To that end these feminists will twist themselves into amazing positions to ignore or even justify harassment, abuse, rape, and even murder (see: William Jefferson Clinton, Joe Biden*, and Ted Kennedy). These feminists are convinced that we are actually living in A Handmaiden’s Tale. They naturally turn a blind eye towards their Party’s proclivity to treat women like garbage as long as the Holy Temples of Abortion remain open and they can butcher their own children as a human sacrifice to the gods of Reproductive Rights.
In a sense the women at Penn who are being sexually harassed by “Lia” Thomas are getting off lightly. Ask Juanita Broaddrick, Paula Jones, Tara Reade, and Maty Jo Kopechne what happened to them when they got in the way of powerful Communist male politicians.
We should take bets on whether it ever actually goes through with transition.
Sounds like a classic case of convergence of factors:
-Likes to see women naked
-Likes to play dress up like a woman
-Likes attention and pissing off others or making them uncomfortable (basically a spotlight troll)
-Enjoys winning even if it’s through unfair advantages
I have a feeling this character is going to want to continue having heterosexual relationships with women after college, even if dressed like a woman while doing so.
It doesn’t matter what cosmetic surgery the guy has done. He will always be just a guy. A sick, demented, twisted guy.
But,maybe he’ll decide to pretend to be a schnauzer, next. t least, then, they won’t have to let him in the locker rooms … until he pretends to be a comfort pet, I guess.
Mr. Thomas apparently enjoys making a spectacle of himself. That’s clearly what this is about. Claiming to be a ‘woman’ and swimming on the women’s team comes after he realized that he was a decent but not great swimmer on the men’s team. He was never going to the nationals or the Olympics. If he can’t be famous one way, he’ll be famous another.
This is not unlike ‘mattress girl’ (remember her?) at Columbia.
Some people just enjoy being the center of attention enough that they’ll do anything, anything to get there. Mr. Thomas is one of those people.
In my vast school experience of boys’ locker rooms, there’s no less sexualized place in the world. I have to extrapolate but it seems to me that’s likely the case here too. Wrong context for sexual stimulation.
They literally have to change out of their clothes and into skin-tight swimsuits for competition. You don’t think there’s room for a fetishist to find their fix in that area?
Ever see the movie Porkys? Sneaking a peek at the girls’ locker room is a staple of trashy movies (as well as real-life creeps).
The girls could learn towel snapping.
Starting at the testicles.
In older times, like 5 years ago, guys without mental issues would take him behind the woodshed and “convince” him to cut the crap.
How long will it take till convicted sex offenders will decide they feel like a woman, a lesbian woman and go into women’s facilities to pursue girls and women?
The thinking today is, “Why wait until you’re convicted?’
A.good solution would be for the male swimmers to reserve a time for real women to use their locker room.
Women just need to shut the fuck up. PERIOD!
Women hate men so much that feminism became a cancer in this country. The only group of people exempt from hatred are men.
So, you now have men who claim to a woman, excelling at sports, game shows, business, and everything else.
So yes, you can do everything that (trans) men can do, but you can’t do it better.
Again. Stand up for yourselves and walk away, or shut the fuck up.
Correction: The only group of people not exempt from hatred are men.
She should have named herself Lola, she like coca cola.
Oh they’re ‘uncomfortable’, huh?
Well do something about it other than whine anonymously.
I refuse to fight for cowards that won’t even fight for themselves.
“transgender swimmer Lia Thomas, who is still biologically male.”
Still biologically male? All the hormones and/or genitial mutilation cannot make him anything but a male. He will always be a man.
What a narcissicitic clown this guy is.
Stop giving him air.
How, exactly, do you propose to do that? Not give him media attention? Good luck with that. Not commenting on this entire travesty? That just normalizes his behavior and allows evil to win.
I’ve heard a few good suggestions here (teaching the women swimmers the fine art of ‘towel snapping’ is a great one).
Regrettably, this whole charade requires an active, positive response. Ignoring him isn’t going to settle the problem, he’ll just up the ante.
I think ignoring him until he ups the ante is exactly the right call. Pervy spotlight trolls have a tendency toward becoming frantic when ignored and that eventually leads to a meltdown that is their undoing. If all the girls stop playing nice and put him on hard ignore and the silent treatment, unfriend and block him on all social media, he will lose his cool in a way that gets him suspended or arrested..
If you insist on calling him “her” then you are part of the problem and need to shut your trap.
Men CANNOT become women, no matter how much they wish it, and only a total moron would claim otherwise. You do us all damage by entertaining this perverted lunatic’s fantasies by going along with the lunacy and calling him “her”. It’s a guy. Period. End of story.
The XX or XY chromosomes will not be fooled. Get whatever cosmetic surgery you want. I’ve got a list of something like 4000 diseases that will react differently to your sex.
When I was 18 I would do almost anything to get naked with the college girls swim team. Hell, at 59 I’d do almost anything to get naked with the college girls swim team. But there are limits.
That was meant to be a joke.