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Rittenhouse Verdict Has Leftist Rioters Worried: “It fundamentally changed the culture of protest”

Rittenhouse Verdict Has Leftist Rioters Worried: “It fundamentally changed the culture of protest”

Self defense law survived the media/prosecutorial onslaught.

The 2020 antifa/BLM violent crime spree in Democrat-run cities across the nation was not just approved by but was championed by Democrat officials, some of whom dismissively noted that burning down buildings and looting businesses was “righteous” and besides, who cares, anyway, since the businesses are insured.

This blasé disregard for the livelihood of their minority and less-affluent constituents targeted by antifa/BLM didn’t stop with elitist shrugged shoulders and taking a knee in solidarity with the arsonists, vandals, looters, assailants, and murderers who rampaged in these cities; Democrat mayors and governors insisted that police stand down, that they let these criminals have free, destructive run of the cities, that law enforcement stand around to be assaulted by vicious street thugs throwing frozen water bottles (and worse) at them, blinding them for life with lasers, and smacking them in the head with whatever bricks they found on conveniently located, magically appearing pallets of bricks.

What the left doesn’t understand is that “abolishing” or “defunding” the police—or neutering police as Democrats  did during the burning, looting, and murder sprees of 2020—doesn’t lead to some leftist bully-fest (for normal Americans, a dystopian nightmare) in which leftist “mostly peaceful” arsonists, vandals, looters, and murderers rule the streets of American cities and towns.  The “whose streets, our streets” mantra is but one memorable chant from the summer of Democrat-colluded national destruction.

This is still America, much to their chagrin, and in the absence of police protection and intervention, the American people can and will protect themselves and their fellow citizens from lawless mobs bent on mayhem, violence, and destruction.

We saw this in Chicago where the Latin Kings and other Hispanic and Latino street gangs stepped up to protect their neighborhoods, and we saw this in Minneapolis where heroic black citizens coordinated a lawfully armed defense of their neighborhoods against the violent leftist mobs bent on destruction (yeah, oddly, they think they are defending against “white supremacists,” but however mislead by leftist propaganda, they did the right thing for the right reasons, even if against the wrong perp–no “white supremacist” burned Minneapolis or any other city, that was all the Democrats and their team).

If you watch the Washington Post video report on black Minneapolis’ residents rightly organizing to protect their neighborhoods while legally armed, you will see strong, organized, and determined people who reject the destruction being wrought in their neighborhoods.  Sadly, you will also see citizens who have no other recourse but to protect their neighborhood in the absence of a viable police presence because police have been told to stand down by Democrat officials.

Progressives apparently think that pulling police will just loose the mobs on a cowed and terrorized American populace, but that is not what happens.  The Latin Kings, the heroic citizens of Minneapolis, and the heroic citizens who defended Kenosha prove that faced with a lawless vacuum, the lawful will step into the breach.

Okay, so maybe the Latin Kings allegedly aren’t exactly lawful all of the time, but they did the right thing here, the only thing they could, to protect their neighborhood.  And they were successful.  Their neighborhoods were kept safe, avoided like the plague by the antifa pukes and BLM mobs who sought to destroy it.  Ditto Minneapolis; those legally armed citizens kept their neighborhood safe when no one else, not their elected officials and not their police (on elected officials’ orders) would.  That is good work.

Indeed, on Sunday, presumably legally-armed BLM protesters acted as citizen security for a socialist protest against the Rittenhouse verdict.  The armed persons reportedly . . . wait for it . . . drove across state lines (gasp!) from Illinois to offer protection to the (actually) peaceful protesters.  Yeah, you’re not going to hear about this from the Democrat propagandist media.  You’re also not going to hear that seeing guns lawfully open-carried makes the Second Amendment-supporting right’s heart sing.

Democrats and the left despise this kind of thing, though, unless it’s “their side” doing the lawful open carry.  As we saw with the year-long defamation of Kyle Rittenhouse, they think that rioters, arsonists, looters, vandals, assailants, and murderers should just run free when the police are told to stand down.

If they can’t do that, if they can’t destroy with complete protection (up to and including bail funds promoted by Kamala Harris) and without any citizen daring to stand up to them, then what’s the point?

Bullies and tyrants need fear to control the unwashed masses.  The left started instilling that fear when the McCloskeys were charged with felonies for simply standing, armed, on their own porch as antifa-BLM mobs allegedly illegally broke into their property and allegedly threatened to kill them (and their dog) and to burn down their house.

The message was clear: you cannot defend yourself from the violent leftist mob; indeed, while you might be beaten to within an inch of your life or outright killed, your life is essentially over because we will bankrupt you, smear your name, and destroy your life.  Submit.

And then Kyle Rittenhouse happened.  The same laws that allow lawfully-armed black residents to patrol their neighborhoods, with the gushing approval of WaPo (and me), apply to white guys?  Go figure.

As odd as it seems, that is where we are.  The usual leftist suspects are blah blah blah’ing white supremacy and systemic racism because they don’t yet understand that is ridiculous nonsense that will never win them a single new vote and will likely lose them formerly reliable voters.

More interesting, I think, is Politico’s point about what is really at stake for the lunatic left: their ability to intimidate Americans into submission (archive link).

The Kyle Rittenhouse case, while not overtly about race, lay bare the imbalances and imperfections of the judicial system. But it also did something else, legal scholars say: It fundamentally changed the culture of protest.

Rittenhouse’s acquittal, scholars say, sends a signal to those who want to take up arms to defend property or attend politically or racially charged events: There is legal ground for you to use your weapon. Just claim fear.

The “just claim fear” thing is crap, of course, but the larger point, the one that has well and truly triggered the left is that any old citizen can lawfully defend themselves in these United States.

Other leftist outlets are also sounding the alarm. The leftist New York Times bemoans that Rittenhouse’s “acquittal has reinvigorated support on the right for armed responses to racial justice protests and unrest.”

The Daily Beast is even more clear in expressing its fear that the left’s whole antifa/BLM thugs subjugating Americans to their throwback 1930’s dream of populace domination is over with a headline blasting that “Rittenhouse just killed our right to peacefully protest.”

Marvel at the crazy:

We’ve now lost our guaranteed First Amendment right to peacefully assemble to a half-cocked, cocaine-cowboy version of the Second Amendment. Mix that together with a witch’s brew of right-wing propaganda and white power, and the result is that any time you march for your rights you have to accept that any dimestore Kyle Rittenhouse can point a weapon of war at you and pull the trigger.

Only in America.

Obviously nearly every word of this hyperbolic, lie-infested nonsense is hyperbolic, lie-infested nonsense.  But this is what the left actually thinks, what they actually believe in their three-sizes too small heart of hearts.

They are blasting the Rittenhouse verdict because they firmly believe that it’s dangerous to their “cause” for Americans abandoned by their elected officials and law enforcement to defend themselves, their property, and their community from their burning, looting, and murdering mobs.

Like foot-stompy children, the left is actually angry because their inability to think critically, to see two beats past that feel-good moment, has exposed their myopic, self-serving, America-destroying agenda.  Remove or incapacitate police, and yes, Americans can and will step up to lawfully fill that vacuum.  Who couldn’t see that coming?

Oh, right.


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“It fundamentally changed the culture of protest”

They misspelled ‘riot’.

    henrybowman in reply to Gosport. | November 22, 2021 at 5:35 pm

    They see black privilege slipping away, and they are losing their s*.

      healthguyfsu in reply to henrybowman. | November 22, 2021 at 5:48 pm

      Antifa doesn’t have black privilege…they have leftist privilege. So does Rosenbaum, So does Huber. So does Grosskreutz. Why are they heroes? It’s not because they are black…it’s because they rally behind a crazy cause that has roped in a bunch of race hustlers as well.

      Notice that prominent Black conservatives don’t have this privilege you speak of.

      healthguyfsu in reply to henrybowman. | November 22, 2021 at 5:50 pm

      My point is….I really like where your head is at on most things and we agree more than we disagree, but let’s not be leftists on opposite day and reduce this to a skin color hustle like they do.

      This is an ideological war with race used a blanket excuse for bad behavior by one side. (Basically a repeat of the civil war)

        henrybowman in reply to healthguyfsu. | November 22, 2021 at 6:41 pm

        I understand where you’re coming from… but here’s my point.
        The MSM makes it more clear every day that Antifa is a political “extension avatar” for blackness.
        “Rittenhouse shot black protestors.”
        “Well, OK, they were white, but they were there to honor a black person.”
        So that makes them “honorary blacks.” Really, how much clearer can the hustle be? This is what I mean by “black privilege.”
        And they need those credentials. Black people are allowed to riot and loot with impunity. Whites aren’t. But if the whites are “honorary blacks…” why, then it’s all right.
        If blacks didn’t have social license to riot… boom, the social license of Antifa to riot would immediately evaporate.
        I realize the violence is mainly white and the looting is mainly black. But it’s always some black cause that is the excuse to allow it to happen.

        I’m still waiting to learn the ethnicities of any of those 80(!) looters who raped and pillaged Nordstroms. I’d take bets on who they were, but I’m not a racist.

          healthguyfsu in reply to henrybowman. | November 22, 2021 at 8:14 pm

          (didn’t DV you btw)

          When you play into that race hustle generalization, you are letting the CNN/Sharpton/MSNBC loonies drive the narrative about race and inequality in this country. Is that really your goal?

          There is a fledgling but growing group of black conservatism that was seen during the Trump years, particularly among black males. It is not my desire nor should it be yours to see this demographic alienated. This group should be fostered and encouraged by those who hold similar views, which is actually you and I!

          henrybowman in reply to henrybowman. | November 24, 2021 at 5:13 am

          I don’t disagree. with your remarks about the black conservatives. It doesn’t change my attitude about black privilege. Black privilege actually hurts accomplished blacks — it cheapens their accomplishments because nobody can be sure they didn’t have a head start advantage against the competition. Nobody else gets this head start, and nobody else shows the inevitable lack of gratitude for it.

          This isn’t a race hustle I’m “buying into,” this is a race hustle that’s being foisted on me. I’m just reporting the news, not making it. Watch the security video from any looting incident, and tell me how many white, or even brown faces you can count in it.

          As for the conservative blacks, they are stuck with much the same burden as conservative Californians: everyone else is waiting to see what they do about policing their own bivouacs. At the very least, it means speaking out against the insanity. In the last year, I’ve seen two attempted recalls of elected idiots in California, and a couple of conservative “sanctuary county” declarations, which represents a significant improvement over the average news year. But as far as the conservative, accomplished blacks even getting off the starting block to criticize their cohort, I’m not seeing it happening at all.

        It unfortunately blacks are 13% of the Population but committ 70% of the murders and that is just a fact
        Black on White crime is off the roof

          The 10% ‘elite’ of our government steal about 90% of the money stolen from us.

          Democrat/GOPe crime is off the roof. They’re just giving their Brownshirts a taste.

          WasTaiwanese=NowFullAmerican in reply to gonzotx. | November 22, 2021 at 7:56 pm

          Two known facts, long since documented beyond reasonable doubt, need to be brought into the open and incorporated into the way we think about public policy: American whites, blacks, Hispanics, and Asians have different violent crime rates and different means and distributions of cognitive ability. The allegations of racism in policing, college admissions, segregation in housing, and hiring and promotions in the workplace ignore the ways in which the problems that prompt the allegations of systemic racism are driven by these two realities.

          from Charles Murray, Facing Reality, his 2021 book.

          In other words, black behavior is dangerously different than White/Asian behavior.

      It’s not ‘black’ privilege, it’s gangster privilege. These people are Brownshirts, nothing less. And they’re agents of our government.

      The Friendly Grizzly in reply to henrybowman. | November 22, 2021 at 8:37 pm

      Losing their ass….. terisks.

    Whitewall in reply to Gosport. | November 22, 2021 at 6:18 pm

    Kent State 1970 did the same thing.

      maxmillion in reply to Whitewall. | November 23, 2021 at 1:56 pm

      We are **still** reeling from Kent State. Authorities have not acted aggressively towards leftist protestors ever since that incident, giving them a complete pass, but meanwhile it’s been open season on right-minded protestors. They don’t stop their own.

    NGAREADER in reply to Gosport. | November 22, 2021 at 6:32 pm

    Exactly. Legit protests are fine.
    Riots, or urban bargain shopping, no.

    herakles1 in reply to Gosport. | November 22, 2021 at 6:42 pm

    Koreans were on the Roos of biz and homes aft Rodney king
    This plays out like a western movie sheriff corrupted or outmatched
    Town taken over until those w courage arise

So you think they will become peaceful protest even though Sorso is still funding all this??


    they will remain peaceful until they don’t. When that time comes, OUR respose will be critical.

    I’ve often wondered what would have gone down dirfferently had Portland’s citizens risen up, armed up, headed downtown, and done what Kyle was there to do in Kenosha. Keep your arms hidden until/unless the mob begins activities like throwing bircks and molotov cocktails at cops, breaking store windows, looting, buring the buildings out, etc. As long as the protests remain peaceful and not damagin,g carry on. But then they turn the corner into wanton destruction, that’s when to bring out your weapons and carefull take out the most egregious of the perpetrators of violence. All it will take is for one or two of the most aggressive mayhem creators to drop. The rest will get the message.

    I find it VERY telling that once the Kyle incident was over, and word spread about how one little boy (?!?!) took out THREE of their best and most aggressive wreakers of mayhem in the space of five or eight minutes, two of them permanently, somehow or another, by some remarkable working of some unknown force, rioting all accross the nation STOPPED.. except, of course, for Porltand. But tha’ts a city that has long desired to t]=remain “wierd”. And they’ve done that.

Antifundamentalist | November 22, 2021 at 5:29 pm

Well, yeah it’s changed the culture of protest – If rioters attack someone, the courts have established that they have the right to defend themselves with lethal force if necessary. In other words, if you are going to damage people and property, there might be immediate consequences.

The Friendly Grizzly | November 22, 2021 at 5:30 pm

Off-topic. Good evening to you all. I spent a little over three hours and surgery today, and I am home. Aside from feeling like I got run over by a locomotive, I think I’ll be OK.

I don’t know Kenosha that well, but no one is running to Seattle and Portland to clean up graffiti.

It hasn’t changed rioting at all, it is pretty much only tolerated in leftist hell holes.

Florida made it quite clear what would happen if BLM and Antifa came to areas of that state. Strangely, no rioting in those areas.

    Well, yeah, they are not welcome here in Free Florida that’s for sure. But they have been run out of all kinds of towns and small cities, too, including in blue states. There are lots of vids of antifa/BLM trying to take over towns and cities and then running for their lives from locals determined to clear the vermin. Feel good viewing for the whole family. 😛

“Play Stupid Games, Win Stupid Prizes” has pretty much always been the rule. Things went sideways while “Get Trump” was underway. So actually no, things are just starting to get back to normal, punk.

GOOD…think twice about rampant destruction of something that isn’t yours.

    But a little “Christmas Shopping” is fine. The evening news reported that a gang of 80 “shoppers” blocked off the streets in front of a San Francisco Nordstrom’s with 25 cars and, with crowbars, looted the place.

      The Friendly Grizzly in reply to jb4. | November 22, 2021 at 8:43 pm

      Only 33 shoplifting days until Christmas.

        You know, that’s a thought. With 33 days of freedom in SF, a couple, eg, would net a couple $60,000+, to tour Alaska, with a view toward being back on Beale, bumping New Years.

        If enough LI readers are serious, 33x $990 per day X 100 = us a large Lear jet and a meeting place Mansion right next to Nancy’s. Imagine, 33 luxurious nights chunking benign, carbon-enslaving charcoal briquettes (illegal alien briquettes?) over her security fence, onto her spacious space (her grounds will flourish).

        Time share anyone? $40 Popsicles?

With Kyle, there is precedent for offering aid in the woke (sic) of protests, and men and women who will not take a knee, but stand with armed deterrence to mitigate abortive progress.

The usual suspects are upset because their whole schtick during these ‘demonstrations’ is escalating provocation until they elicit a response, then run crying (and lying) to the media about how they were attacked for no reason, boo hoo. “How far can we push it” is their cry, and Michael Strickland can tell you chapter and verse on how they use that as a metaphorical club (and sometimes physical) against anybody who dares stand up against them.

Now they’re facing the concept of their actions having actual consequences.

    First, the White Hispanic, and now the Hispanic of White. The People and our [unPlanned] Posterity are standing to mitigate social progress.

      This new snowflake touchiness about Hispanics is nuts, nn. No one here is “against” Hispanics. Literally no one. We all love our fellow conservative/right-leaning America First voters of any race, etc. Please go back to focusing your incomprehensible ramblings on abortion.

        Alberto Fujimori and Orlando Cepeda don’t understand treating Hispanic as a race.

          The Friendly Grizzly in reply to Anchovy. | November 22, 2021 at 8:45 pm

          Fuzzy Cepeda was a baseball player, and Fujimori was the Prime Minister or premier or whatever of Japan. I don’t think either one of them thought of themselves in Hispanic terms.

          I still don’t get it, but thanks, Grizz.

          Milhouse in reply to Anchovy. | November 22, 2021 at 11:08 pm

          Fujimori was PM of Peru, not of Japan. He was born and grew up in Peru, and would certainly count as “HIspanic” under US law, but his race is obviously not the same as that of most Peruvians or so-called “Hispanics”.

          Cepeda was a famous baseball player from Puerto Rico, but racially he’s black, which is not the same race as most “Hispanics”.

          Thus neither of them would understand treating “Hispanic” as a race.

          Ah, thanks, Milhouse, now I get it! I just started with “race” and then added “etc.” to cover all the crazy (national origin, sex/gender, religion, and etc.) See! I just did it again. I love “etc.” 😛

        The Friendly Grizzly in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | November 22, 2021 at 8:45 pm

        You left out the other parts about Hispanics in general. Generally very polite, well mannered, and they’ve got a very strong extended family unit. On that last part, I envy them back. My family was never close at all.

          I may have left it out of a comment, but I have long said this, including in numerous posts here at LI. Democrats have long misjudged the strong socio-cultural conservative values of many Hispanics/Latinos. The crazier the left gets with its “Latinx,” 57 genders, thought-police BS, the faster and farther Hispanic voters run. I’m good with that.

          I have long said this, including in numerous posts here at LI. Democrats have long misjudged the strong socio-cultural conservative values of many Hispanics/Latinos.

          Irrelevant. Who do they vote for, and how many of them are in the US legally?

          The acid test is: if they continue to vote for anti-gun politicians, they still don’t get it.

I guess entitled protesters/rioters/looters/arsonists/cop shooters will now have to carry a form, much like a vaccine card, that will show which they have shown up in the streets for.

God forbid that people might fight back when you attack them, and have to proper tools to prevail much of the time.

For my daily dose of snark, I usually turn to Kurt Schlichter. I don’t need to after this one, Fuzzy. Your turn of phrase has got me laughing with delight. 😉

“We’ve now lost our guaranteed First Amendment right to peacefully assemble…”

If they would assemble peacefully, there wouldn’t be a problem, would there.

If the police won’t protect us and our property from violent rioters, we have a duty to do it ourselves

    The Friendly Grizzly in reply to geronl. | November 22, 2021 at 8:47 pm

    We have a further duty. When the cops come to arrest us for defending our property lives and family, we need to meet them with force as well and tell him the buzz off. I sometimes think that the defund the police people have a point. The Supreme Court said that the police or no one under no obligation to help us. In that case, what do they actually do?

      Yep, I’m all for defunding the police. They protect the criminals.
      I’d like to start at the top and eliminate the FBI first…

      We can’t be collectivist about police any more than we can be about races. What we can say statistically is that (excepting the bullies and corrupt ones), police that work for blue municipalities do blue policing, and police that work for red municipalities do red policing… to the point where it’s almost totally meaningless to talk about backing or not backing “the police.” I wouldn’t give you a chocolate dollar for the entire St. Louis PD, but I’d buy a ticket to the Prescott Policemen’s Ball… and it’s entirely because the cops reflect the mayors.

Comanche Voter | November 22, 2021 at 6:56 pm

Back in the Rodney King riots in Los Angeles (1992) Korean business owners and their families stood armed guard on the roofs of their stores. Most of their businesses escaped the fire and looting.

The Democrats fundamentally changed protest, made looting and arson legal. Kyle may have woke up everyone there. Might be a he6avy price to pay.

I hope so

Maybe from the d/prog perspective the inherent right of self defense is only now via KR trial coming into focus. The rest of us have known this for a long time. Truly peaceful protest isn’t at risk from anyone, just the ‘mostly peaceful’ kind.

It fundamentally changed the culture of protest.

It made it clear that even protestors need to obey the law.

No wonder they’re scared.

Letting the Latin Kings step in to fill the void left by corrupted law enforcement is not a solution. Does anyone remember La Cosa Nostra
“policing” the Sicilian immigrant community? Not a good thing.

    Yep, I agree, not a good thing, That is why we need law enforcement, not street gangs, to keep the peace and uphold the law. That said, the Latin Kings very much did the right thing in the absence of law enforcement. Indeed, they did the only thing possible and kept their neighborhoods safe. No one died, no buildings burned, no stores were looted, no homes destroyed. That’s a huge win, and the Kings did it when no one else could (or would).

    It’s hard to fault them for that given that the police were commanded to stand down, and the neighborhood was left to the violent rampage of antifa/BLM. Me? I live in that neighborhood, and yeah, I’d rather the Latin Kings have my back than watch my entire life go up in burning, looting, murder flames. It’s not like the Kings are still the “law”; they stepped up when needed, and have now presumably gone back to doing whatever it is they do.

    They did the right thing, but they should never ever have been put in that position. That they were is a failure of their city’s leadership, and it is a cautionary tale for sure. No one wants street gangs as law enforcement . . . except maybe the progressive left? If so, why? Food for thought.

      The Friendly Grizzly in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | November 22, 2021 at 8:51 pm

      What the Latin kings did recently is simply a variation on the theme of what roving bands of Jewish men used to do in old-time New York. They would patrol in groups of two and three men keeping an eye out for vandals and people attacking Jews. They took care of things when the police either didn’t or wouldn’t.

        They still do. But I don’t think they did in “old-time” NY. The current group, the Shomrim, started in the mid-1970s, and its predecessor, the Maccabees, started in the early ’60s but folded after a few years. I think of “old-time” NY as the ’30s or even earlier, and as far as I know the closest Jews came to that sort of thing then would have been the Jewish gangs (Murder Inc, etc).

      daniel_ream in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | November 23, 2021 at 9:39 am

      have now presumably gone back to doing whatever it is they do.

      Murder, drug dealing and extortion?

    Here’s my problem: the void is not presented by a lack of police. The void is presented by the populace who will not exercise their duty to police their community in the first place. They hire some folks, then promptly abdicate their duty to those people. When you do that, you lose control. That control (and power) now resides in someone else’s hands.

    We should be standing up every day. We should be making the need for police in our communities less and less. Then you can “defund” the police. We spend way too much on them as it is, and we militarize them, empowering them to run roughshod over the citizens – all because we do not do our duty as citizens.

    Latin Kings or not, I applaud anyone who is standing up for their own community and taking matters into their own hands. Next, get out there and pull the power back down to the community level – away from your state capitol and away from Washington, DC.

      Well, no. The crazy burning, looting, and murdering took place in Democrat-run cities, often with knee-taking city, county, and state officials simpering before and pledging to protect the onslaught. This does not happen in red states. Period.

“There is legal ground for you to use your weapon. Just claim fear.”

The vile Dhimmi-crats are so manifestly and appallingly stupid. Rittenhouse met every single one of the multiple requirements for the lawful exercise of lethal self-defense. To posit that he merely “claimed fear” as a rationale for his actions is indefensibly and brazenly dishonest and foolish. Perhaps the Dhimmi-crats should consult one of their myriad lawyer-allies, on this score, before they proffer such transparent idiocy.

According to the Instapundit, the police don’t exist to protect honest citizens from the criminals, they exist to protect criminals from the honest citizens.

    The Friendly Grizzly in reply to Bill West. | November 22, 2021 at 8:53 pm

    I take a variation on that view. Many police forces, if not most exist to keep the common people in line while the well-connected get away with what they want to do. The workingman‘s kid gets busted for even having an open beer in his car. Meantime the son of one of the “pillars of the community“ wraps the family BMW around the phone pole drunk as a skunk. He gets a ride home and the whole thing hashed up.

    MajorWood in reply to Bill West. | November 22, 2021 at 11:14 pm

    Back when this all started there was a young lass standing on a corner with a big “defund the police” sign. I walked over and informed her that if the police do get defunded, she won’t live out the day. They are what is keeping her alive right now, period. I think that image upset her a bit, and that pleased me.

    Absolutely correct.

The message was clear: you cannot defend yourself from the violent leftist mob
The Legacy of New York’s Sullivan Laws

Sullivan Act, passed in…wait for it…New York in 1911. The law, largely sponsored by state senator Tim “Big Feller” Sullivan, a corrupt Tammany Hall pol, was passed in response to a murder-suicide that occurred in Central Park.

There were other justifications for the act, of course. At the time, New York City was having trouble with street gangs and organized crime, and there had been some ideas about regulating the carry of pistols.

    henrybowman in reply to 4fun. | November 24, 2021 at 5:31 am

    It’s widely understood that the actual motivation for the Sullivan Law was to disarm the new Italian immigrants. Which it was a demonstrable failure at doing, just as it has been ever since.

The lesson I would like everybody to learn is that elections for the district attorney really matter. The problem in this case was A.D.A. Binger, a smarmy political creature with no real interest in justice, and all the woke leftist jackasses he works for. We need to vote all of these cretins out of office and get prosecutors who care about justice.

one of the prosecutors in the rittenhouse trial seemed to suggest that it was somehow required of joe/jill public to actually sustain an assault/beating before resorting to self-defense(especially lethal force self-defense)–what bs–would challenge any prosecutor/politician/police officer to cite/show me the law that says so, and if such a law actually DOES exist, would plainly ignore it and tell them to get the hell off our property and get about repealing it

    The Pedant-General in reply to texansamurai. | November 23, 2021 at 3:38 am

    Not just “seemed to suggest”. He outright said it explicitly.

    “Sometimes you just have to take your beating”

    Need to find and bookmark that video…

There are some pretty stark and telling numbers in my state. Just over 90% of all households here have at least one firearm. We have Constitutional Carry. And we have self defense laws that are very much in favor of the armed citizen.

Out of all 50 states we are number 50 in our rate of violent crime. Put simply, we are literally the safest state in the entire country. There are no riots, and Antifa basically does not exist here.

Burglaries and break-ins are nearly unheard of as well. With a 90% chance of coming face to face with an armed homeowner, even the stupidest of criminals can understand those odds.

An armed society is indeed a polite society. Too bad so many other states cannot figure this out.

LongTimeReader | November 23, 2021 at 4:46 am

This anger is going to get louder once Sgt Daniel Perry goes to trial. Also a self defense case that occured during BLM protests and IMO a very strong one at that. If the law is applied, he should be found not guilty.

If you watched the Tucker Carlson interview with Rittenhouse last night, you watched the complete destruction of the narrative of the left that Rittenhouse was a white supremacist. I look forward to reading about the litigation contemplated by his attorneys

The Tucker Carlson interview with Rittenhouse also should have led any intelligent watcher to conclude that the subject prosecution was politically motivated by the woke left and legacy media as part of its whittling away at and delegitimizing the right of self defense and use a legal firearm.

My greatest fear with all this is that Antifa will take this as invitation to ratchet up their already violent confrontations with LEOs (when they’re present) or citizens who step into the gap when LEOs are asked to stand down. Mind you, I don’t fear the ultimate result (we’re better armed and trained), just the increase in bloodshed that may result before we get there.

A small but interesting detail was him talking about the stoppage with his rifle. I was thinking he might have had the bolt not go into battery and had to use the forward assist to close it. According to him that’s what he did.

If the bolt fails to fully close on an AR-15/M16/M4 rifle, there is an angled button on the right hand side of the upper receiver that engages ratchet notches on the bolt carrier. If the bolt doesn’t go fully into battery, you bang that button a couple of times to close it and you’re good to go.

    Arminius in reply to SField. | November 24, 2021 at 10:21 am

    Eugene Stoner deliberately designed the AR-15 without the forward assist. Moreover the USAF was the first armed service to purchase the AR and not only was the USAF fine without a forward assist, the contract specified that the rifles NOT have such a device.

    The reasoning was simple. The buffer spring is plenty powerful enough to completely chamber an in-spec cartridge. One of the advantages of going first to semi-automatic, then select fire rifles, is that the springs that drive these bolts home do so with a lot more force than recruits would with the previous generation bolt-action action battle rifles.

    As an aside, I cringe when I see supposed “experts” on TV shows that highlight classic weapons like the 1903/1903A! Springfield or P17 Enfield refer to the rounded knob at the end of the bolt handle as “grasping knobs” and actually use an overhand grip to grasp it between their thumbs and fore fingers, inevitably fumbling chambering the next round because that is not how the technique that was used anywhere, ever when those rifles were in service. You have to slap the bolt handle up with the palm of your hand with your fingers forming something like a hook, hook the upraised bolt with your fingers (don’t grasp) back with all your force to eject the round, rotate your hand so the ball of your thumb can drive the bolt forward with your thumb forming a hook, again with all your might, to chamber the next round, then hook the bolt handle with your thumb and drive it down. You not only won’t get a failure to feed or a double feed your trigger finger falls naturally to the trigger. You have to work the bolt like you hate it; you won’t hurt it because it’s made of steel and you’re not.

    It was just easier to teach recruits how to charge a semi auto/select fire rifle than work the bolt. And as anyone who has ever suffered Garand thumb knows, those springs are powerful.

    Which is why Stoner didn’t design the AR with a forward assist, and the USAF didn’t want one even if it had been possible to get one. The Navy would have been fine without it, too. Because if that buffer spring can’t chamber a round, that’s the rifle telling you there’s a problem. Anyone who has ever done any gunsmithing knows you don’t force parts together that are supposed to fit. Similarly, you don’t force a round that should fit your rifle into the chamber. Something is wrong with the round or the chamber. The round could be extremely dirty or deformed. The chamber could be extremely dirty or even worse there could be an obstruction in the throat or barrel. With enough force you can chamber the round, but if there’s an obstruction you can expect your rifle to explode.

    It’s better to eject the round and try again.

    It was the Army that insisted on the bolt assist, and even they acknowledged it was primarily for psychological reasons. After all, the M1 Garand, M1 Carbine, and M14 had external charging handles on the side of the bolts that could be used to fully chamber a recalcitrant round and their troops would seriously lose confidence in their M-16s if it didn’t have as similar capability. The Army acknowledged it didn’t matter how infrequently they’d need it; just knowing that there was the mere possibility that they could experience such a malfunction was enough to modify the design.

    Since the Army was by far the largest contract, they got the feature the other services and the designer himself (who had tested the rifle in sand, mud, etc.) didn’t think was necessary.

    And yes, I know infantry types that insist that the forward assist is necessary as in an extended fire fight you can’t exactly stop, disassemble the rifle and give it a thorough cleaning if the chamber starts to foul up with carbon. And while the proper technique to ensure you have chambered a round on any semi/full auto is to do a press or chamber check, I understand that in some situations such as preparing to clear a building you need to remain silent. I never really understood that as you can draw the charging handle back enough to visually check to make sure you’ve chambered around, then close the bolt silently. But some prefer to just give the forward assist a couple of taps. Which, again, I don’t understand as how without checking if there’s a round in the chamber do you know you’re not simply ensuring the bolt is fully closed on an empty chamber? Well, whatever shakes your peaches I suppose.

    OK. But even that provides psychological reassurance.

    But even those end users admit that while the forward assist may be a handy, reassuring thing to have under certain field conditions, they can’t imagine why you’d need one under any conditions a civilian will encounter.

    Keep your rifle clean and properly lubed. Carefully inspect your ammo to make sure it’s clean and has no deformities such as a dented shoulder. Your goal should be to never have to use the forward assist.

    Between my time in the Navy and as a civilian I’ve put thousands of rounds through M16s, M14s, my Springfield Armory M1As, Polytech M14s, M4orgeries, and my CMP Garands (The USG wants you to have a Garand; hell, they want you to have a collection, and remember they can still do the job on a rampaging Antifa/#BLM mob, so buy yours from the Civilian Marksmanship Program today). With honorable mention to my beloved Daewoo DR200…

    …which sadly I stupidly traded away years ago. Not so honorable mention to my Ruger Mini-14s as I’m just not that bad of a shot to suffer the groups those things would give me, but at least they always went bang when I pressed the trigger.

    Not once have I had to force the bolt closed.

As an Englishman living in the UK, I really can’t exaggerate how much I and many of my fellow countrymen envy you Cousins your Second Amendment!
The time will come when it would come in handy this side of the Pond too!

    henrybowman in reply to David Walker. | November 24, 2021 at 5:37 am

    Unfortunately, you had it, more than once… and every time, you let it be taken from you.

    When mustache-face promoted his unpleasantness in your direction,and your Home Guard found itself virtually unarmed, thousands of US gun owners donated their own private arms to your cause. After the problem had been dispatched, the donated rifles were dumped unceremoniously into the North Sea. How rude.

    The consensus over here is that if you’re ever going to get your right to keep and bear arms back, you’re on your own this time. Sorry to be the bearer.

I was around as a young adult when the “civil rights” movement took off, late 1950’s and through the 60’s. I well remember the news reporting how Rosa Parks simply SAT THERE on th bus.. until she was physically taken off. I also remember the Montgomery Alabama bus boycott….. folks managed to get to work somehow, and shopping, doctors, etc. The bus system was badly hurt because hardly anyone was riding them for a season. I also remember the governor of I think it ws Arkansas getting really mad when Nat Guard tropps escorted negro students into the formerly segrated white schools and FORCED their acceptance. Earthqualkes, sure, socially speaking, but no real violence. No rioting to “protest” racism. No looting of businesses, massive angry mobs blocking major portioins of cities, etc. Yes, Kent State did being a major sea change.. I also remember gatheirng to speak out against that. I’ve lately learned that one of those four students who were shot had a concealed handgun on him, and ha d drawn it in what could have appeared to be a threatening manner. Thus the Guard opened fire. I remember welll attending a peaceful rally the day after Martin Luther King was murdered…. later detarmined to almost certainly be by the actioin of our own FBI. He had stepped on some “no no toes”. And thus had to be eliminated. Now the man himself was a dirtbag in many ways, yet what he stood for publically was vitally necessary. I grew up in and aorund Oakland California, and remmber the racism, different treatment of some folks just because their skin had a lot more malanin than mine did. I never went along with it myself, but realied it was wrong that some of God’s creation would be treated like that. Of course, I went to private schools where we studied folks like Booker T Washington, Geroge Washingto Carver, and other well known and notweorthy negroes who made life better for all of us, even to today. Six hundred ways to use peanuts? Crazy!!! I knew the evils of slavery from my history studues in school. So this white guy grew up with a respect for those people ane the evils they suffered, a n hundred years after slavery ws supposedlty neded. Sure, they no longer had physical chains which everyone could see, but they nevertheless still had chains on them then.

But they were NOT burind cities, trashing govenment buildings, destroying businesses, murdering at will…..

From my perspective I am convinced that the force behind the present malaise being flogged over “racism” is NOT truely due to racism. I’ve read Saul Alinsky and Karl Marks.. strongly disagree with both of thoese evil males. But I see clearly WHAT, idealogically and politically is behind the rioting, mayhem, destruction.. same thing that is behind the covidiocy now plaguing the lot of us. And, as just as with the recism rampant in the middle of the laast century in our nation, it will continue until WE say “enough” rise up, and throw off those yokes of bondage.. or, maybe better said, the two hames of the yoke of bondage. The fear being used to direct and contrl us is the root issue here.. whther it is fear of voting honestly and accuracy for acquittal of Kyle, fear of losing my job because some corrupt gummit poohbahs
have decided FOR me” that I must accept their unwanted, unprove,n dangerous medical proceedure or else…..

Until WE rise up and throw off this yoke it will ramein harsh upon our backs. Kyle stood up and said NO you can NOT burn down my friend’s builing, and put the fire out.That made the one who lit it mad.. and so he took off after Kyle to “teach him a lesson”. The roles were reversed, and Kyle was used to teach his assailant a lesson….. which assailant had BADLY underestimated Kyle’s determinatioin to live, desire to NOT aggress, and his skill at arms. Not that unusual for a man of his age.. I know many who can outshoot him by a wide margin. So what? His shot placement and trigger contrl were remarkable. One miss, all three aggressors neutralised, two permanently. No one else hurt. One round went…. somewhere. The other six hit their intended targets and did their intended jobs.. ended that threat. Once ended, he held fire. A record far surpassing that of most commissioined law enforcement officers.

AND his action pout a very much needed fear into rioters accross the land….. they all decided to go find other activites to while away their empty time.

What percentage of leftist rioters are pedophiles who want to use riots as cover for assaulting teenagers?

Must be fairly large.

Everyone has a right of freedom of speech and assembly. No one has a right to riot which should never be confused with a peaceful protest.

TaxPayingPatriot | November 24, 2021 at 1:00 pm

(a) “culture” and “protest” don’t really belong in the same sentence, at least, not the way these “peaceful protesters” were doing it, and,
(b) no sh*t … maybe if other cities decided they weren’t down with a bunch of angry, violent felons coming in and stinking up their cities there’d be more people pushing back.

In my view, I could give a wet fart if you want to burn down your OWN house in protest, just stay away from mine or I’m going to respond with equal force. Many of the altar boys in Kenosha, including Huber, Grosskreutz, and Rosenbaum, had weapons of some nature. Some of them had guns.

After a year or more of this crap, waiting for ‘law enforcement’ to do their job, or the mayor or governor to step up, people got pissed. That seems like a good formula.

Perhaps if the rioters tried to burn down the Chief of Police’s house, or the Municipal Complex there’d be a response. So far, no anecdotal data to go on.

Watching Cali … seems like the early black friday deals are smoking … all you can snatch free. Surprised no one is complaining there’s no one there to gift wrap it.