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LIVE: Rittenhouse Trial Day 5

LIVE: Rittenhouse Trial Day 5

The defense has an opportunity since the prosecution made two blunders.

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Welcome back to our ongoing live coverage of the trial of Kyle Rittenhouse. Kyle is charged with a variety of felonies, including first-degree murder, for shooting three men, two fatally, as well as for alleged reckless conduct on the night of August 25, 2020, in riot-torn Kenosha WI.

You can find our commentary and analysis of yesterday’s trial proceedings here:  Rittenhouse Trial Day 4: Two State Blunders Create Opportunity for the Defense

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The defense really should parody Binger and ask every witness of the prosecution the following series of questions:

“Did you see Mr. Rittenhouse carry a/an…

Barrett REC7
Bushmaster XM-15
CAR816 A2
Carbon 15
Colt AR-15
Daniel Defense DDM4
DPMS Panther Arms Tactical Rifle
Haenel MK 556
Heckler & Koch MR556
Lewis Machine & Tool Company CQB16
LWRC International IC series
Mossberg MMR Tactical
Olympic Arms K series
Palmetto State Armory PA-15
Patriot Ordnance Factory rifles and carbines
Remington R5 RGP
Rock River Arms LAR-15
Ruger SR-556
Savage Arms MSR-15
SIG Sauer SIG516
SIG Sauer SIGM400
Springfield Armory SAINT
Stag Arms STAG-15
Taurus T4SA
Wilson Combat Tactical Rifle
Windham Weaponry WW-15

… that night/ever?”

They can go through the Smith & Wesson catalog as well, starting with the pistols, then revolvers. Just leave out “Did you see Mr. Rittenhouse carry a Smith & Wesson M&P15 that night/ever?”

Yes, I am joking.
They should not pull a Binger.

Ohio lawyer here watching with interest. As a non-criminal attorney I am enjoying your commentary Mr. Branca. I should get some CLE credits for watching this trial with you.

Waiting on todays episode of the judges fair lynchi….i mean fair trial.

Eggshell Skull | November 8, 2021 at 9:55 am

There’s on tape comments fr Rice, who while standing of a judge’s apartment in Mpls, claims KR jurors are being filmed/documented for later purporses.
Rice is related to G Floyd

“Did you see…” You know, the definition of concealed carry is the ‘concealed’ part of it. A small framed pistol in a front pocket holster is practically impossible to spot, and even a pat-down can mistake it for a wallet. Much like “All guns are loaded” police officers work under the assumption that “All suspects are armed until searched and even then keep an eye on them.”

Just because you’re not packing a 6-gun in a Wild West holster doesn’t mean you don’t have a 9mm semi-auto tucked away somewhere.

Great job as always Andrew!
BTW, I thought the McMichaels’ lawyers opening statements were excellent in the Arbery trial. It’s a bit of bummer both trials are going on at the same time.

    Smooth23 in reply to McBain. | November 8, 2021 at 10:15 am

    The only reason I’m not interested in the Arbery trial is that I’m convinced they’ll be convicted, despite them doing the community a favor.

      Observer in reply to Smooth23. | November 8, 2021 at 12:15 pm

      The judge in that case certainly seems to be less than impartial. He has already publicly insinuated that the defense attorneys are racists, simply for doing their jobs.

These defense lawyers are railroading Kyle. Awful.

    felixrigidus in reply to Elzorro. | November 8, 2021 at 12:26 pm

    By the way, did anyone else notice that ADA Binger — who has been showing dead bodies and shootings of people whenever he had the opportunity in this trial — gave a content warning before showing one picture of Grosskreuz holding his gun even after he was hit in the arm?
    I’m maybe cynical, but that the purpose of that “trigger warning” clearly was to prime the jury to see the picture as especially brutal.

      brainy435 in reply to felixrigidus. | November 8, 2021 at 1:23 pm

      If the jurors have their heads on straight, showing a picture of Kyles attacker armed should be especially brutal to the ADA’s case.

How many dozens of hours has the prosecutor coached Gaige?

Seems they prepped Grosskreutz well. He’s answering questions by turning to the jury and speaking to them.

Kyle rightfully put new holes in people. I guess he’s a paramedic.

TaxPayingPatriot | November 8, 2021 at 10:36 am

This is all lovely, but Grosskreutz’ behavior that night is what’s in question, not his desire to recast his life as a budding lifesaver.

What was Grosskreutz convicted of? Was it a felony? He is the guy with the Glock in his hand that got shot in the arm, isn’t he?

    TaxPayingPatriot in reply to darwin. | November 8, 2021 at 11:09 am

    I don’t think he was convicted of a felony … thought the same, was he a prohibited gun possessor … other testimony states he shot into the air I think, so wondering if we get to that part of the evening, or just stick to this good samaritan thread, and storyline that he was there as a medic.

    And his use of ‘essentially’ is getting under my skin.

What is with Grosskreutz’s eyes? Can the defense request a drug test?

TaxPayingPatriot | November 8, 2021 at 10:43 am

His behavior that night doesn’t seem to synch with his stated humanitarian mission as a ‘medic’ … defense should rip this clown a new one on cross.

Antifa thug is a good boy. Just wanted to help little old ladies cross the street…where he was throwing rocks at cops.

Defense: “you were there to give medical care? And you chose to carry a weapon?”

You were trained to help Huber, but you chose to draw a gun on the defendant?

He be lying.

The defense objected, and was over-ruled, but how is this relevant? The trial is whether KR’s response to someone pointing a Glock at him was reasonable. KR knew none of the background of GG. What does it matter that GG helped someone who passed out away from KR?

LOL ACLU legal observer. OMG a communist.

“I’m an ACLU legal observer” — identifies himself as a professional agitator after claiming he’s not all that into protesting.

    Elzorro in reply to f2000. | November 8, 2021 at 11:08 am

    I know one. A lawer who is a ‘legal observer’. A full blown woke commie. They normally wear a vest identifying themselves and try to protect the rioters. They do not carry guns.

I like to refer to this as preemptive rehabilitation of the witness because he’s going to be destroyed on cross.

Pretending to be a “medic” is a common ruse to provide weaselly plausible deniability for presence at a riot. Rittenhouse played medic too, but he actually has first aid training and apparently rendered aid that night. Did GG?

I got a bad feeling about this defense team.

Has he been certified as an EMT?

Kyle wasn’t following good first aid protocol! The prosecution rests!

Someone (probably the prosecutor) evidently told him to look at the jury, because he does it at every answer.

Was he recording when he was shot?

Didn’t he later tell someone that his intention was to empty his Glock into Kyle’s head, or something like that?

He is trying to build his lawsuit he filed agains Kenosha County, City, individuals and police personel.

Bet the ACLU is going to be thrilled to be so publicly connected to a guy who was illegally carrying a firearm at the time he tried to murder a teenager, while working for them.

Can we just get to the part where he got his arm nearly blown off while holding an illegally-possessed handgun?

He is right now suing the police claiming they deputized right wing, white nationalist militias.

Militia! Militia! Militia!

~ Jan Brady-Grosskreutz

TaxPayingPatriot | November 8, 2021 at 11:34 am

So big deal he re-racked … he’s surrounded by hostile parties, and one is alleging that he’s surrendering, and this guy’s assumption is that Kyle should believe that everyone else around him was ‘surrendering’.

Personally, his hands could be coming up to try to stop his forward motion. I do this myself. It’s not a surrender, it’s a automatic motion in a sense of putting my hands up to push back even knowing it’s air.

So, he was pointing the gun at me and was going to shoot me, so I thought the best thing to do was close the distance between myself and the defendant.

Oooookay,

Yes, you always *close* the distance between you and your attacker when defending yourself. (eyeroll)

Jesus, this guy is a lying sack of excrement.

    As I was reading the play by play I was thinking…. hmm – if there’s an active shooter (WITH AN AR!!!!) my 9mm carrying ass is behind cover

Bwaaahahaha! Good Grief. He a widdle angel. Pfhttt

“I carry a gun with a round in the chamber but I have a strong ethical code against taking a life even at risk of my own”

    Bruce Hayden in reply to f2000. | November 8, 2021 at 1:03 pm

    I carry with a round in the chamber. I wouldn’t be surprised if Andrew does too. You really don’t want to be racking the slide with adrenaline coursing through your system, and blood being pulled into your trunk, making your hands into clubs, when someone is pointing a gun at you. Yes, Glocks don’t have the sort of safety that 1911s do, but you don’t want to be trying to flick the safety off with your now bloodless fingers, unless you have practiced that until it is automatic with your presentation.

He exactly explaining the state of mind of justifiable self defense (in trying to justify his own actions). And a small detail: if it was your “life long ethic” never to take a life to defend your own, then WHY were you carrying a pistol?
Unbelievable.

    Elzorro in reply to xnycp. | November 8, 2021 at 11:39 am

    He already said he pulled it to use it. Your question is too logical for this lying commie.

      Observer in reply to Elzorro. | November 8, 2021 at 12:26 pm

      “why didn’t you take your own gun and shoot the defendant first?”

      “Not the person I am.”

      By that, does he mean that he’s just not a quick enough shot? If he was a person with better reflexes, he’d have emptied his gun into Kyle, just like he told his friends he wished he had. POS liar.

https://www.rt.com/usa/499259-kenosha-victim-facebook-killing-kid/

“I just talked to Gaige Grosskreutz too,” Marshall wrote. “His only regret was not killing the kid and hesitating to pull the gun before emptying the entire mag into him.

“Should’ve killed him right there and then,” Marshall added.

Calling him an “active-shooter” was a nice piece of coaching by the prosecution.

Are they going to be able to bring up Grosskreutz’s drunk with a gun misdemeanor conviction?

The guy that knelt down next to him after he got shot had a rifle. You could see it as he stood up

Grosskreutz has been coaches to use “infer” or “inference” instead of “assume” and “assumption”.

    OnePingOnly in reply to Real American. | November 8, 2021 at 11:54 am

    His entire testimony has been coached by Binger — getting in the words militia, active shooter, et al whenever possible and, of course, calling Kyle a murder.

The Pedant-General | November 8, 2021 at 11:43 am

GG said he had his phone in one hand and Glock in other.
Camera perspective should change if he raised his hands as he says he is.

Can that be seen on video?

Question…
Can the pleadings in his ongoing lawsuit against Kenosha City, County, and Police be introduced as evidence by Kyles defense on cross to show propensity for self serving hearsay? Is his testimony self serving in regards to his lawsuit?
Anyone?

One thing I noticed in the dogpile video with Kyle on the ground is that twice he did not shoot people rushing him when they obviously break off their attacks. The first is right before the jump kick, a guy in a red shirt turns and runs away. Not shot. And after shooting Grosskreutz another guy approaches, put his hands up and backs off. Not shot either. Kyle pointed his rifle at both of them but did not shoot either. Hopefully the defense points that out to prove that Kyle only fired on people actively attacking him.

Mr. Branca,

I cannot tell you how much I actually enjoy watching your presentations on this trial. I actually pursued, briefly, a career in law in my, otherwise, recklessly misspent, youth, but due to a confluence of events in my life at that moment I followed another path. But my fascination with and love for the law has never diminished. Thank you for these wonderful presentations and analyses.

“Loved how Grosskreutz lamented how Kyle ‘bringing a gun into situation raised stakes so much higher…'”

Except Lefty has already testified that the “situation” AS HE UNDERSTOOD IT was that Kyle was trying to get to police to turn himself in.

If Kyle was an active shooter, wouldn’t he have shot Gaige when Gaige asked Kyle if Kyle had shot anyone? Was Kyle shooting at random people while running down the street or only at those who attacked/threatened him first?

Gaige would never shoot/kill someone because it goes against his life-long ethical/medical code?? Then WHY own/carry a gun at all if he supposedly would never use it? Claim conflicted inside? What about the report of a post saying he wished he had emptied a clip on Kyle?

Evidence of Gaige pointing the Glock at Kyle?

He has clearly taken a side if he has already pronounced Kyle guilty of murdering Huber despite Huber’s attack. Surely more evidence showing he’s not as unbiased as he’s trying to seem.

The defense better have a field day with him, or I’ll be upset. So many inconsistencies. They better ask about that one crime he was charged with too since the prosecution opened that door. Interesting how State tried to quickly slide that by the jury early on.

At what point does a Judge call all counsel into chambers and ask for an informal offer of proof. And when told that the entire “prosecution” will seek to impute lofty motives to those attacking Kyle, and not to even address the issue of justified self defense, which is established, prima facie from the video, should he not go on the record and dismiss all charges?

Wow, as pointed out by Mr Branca, big miss there by defense on hearsay testimony re: Branch saying police acted in concert iwth militia….hoefully they do some clean up on gthat

It wouldn’t help Kyle, but I would definitely buy a beer for any defense attorney beginning his cross of Mr. Grosskreutz: “Now before you were disarmed…”

The challenge for the defense is not to leave Mr. G in a puddle of “inconsistencies” and confuse the jury (because there is an embarrassment of riches to work with). Rather, one hopes they can paint in bold lines the justified fear that Kyle would have felt, being attacked by a mob, and ultimately by Mr. G (after having been chased struck, and now lying on the ground) with a gun in hand, and lunging for Kyle’s weapon.

I feel so sorry for Kyle.

Unbelievable testimony so far.
It will be very interesting to see “The Behavior Panel” break this down on their channel.
So Grosskreuz is so peaceful he took a concealed pistol, knowing he had no permit to carry it, to this peaceful nightly protest?
Cross will be brutal.

Colonel Travis | November 8, 2021 at 12:11 pm

If Grosskreutz had shot at Rittenhouse, it is very possible he could have claimed self-defense also. Two people could shoot each other, be completely wrong about what the motive was for each, and still have a valid self-defense case (as long as they cleared all the legal hurdles.)

The defense needs to be at the top of their game with this guy.

    Even if he were chasing Rittenhouse with gun drawn?

      Colonel Travis in reply to freddby. | November 8, 2021 at 12:42 pm

      No, he could not be the aggressor. That is why I said it could be possible. I didn’t say it was possible here under these circumstances. If two people are shooting each other, they must clear all the legal hurdles.

    healthguyfsu in reply to Colonel Travis. | November 8, 2021 at 12:35 pm

    Yeah, no he couldn’t…not even close. He initially pursued Kyle (he calls it “running next to him”) and asked him what he was doing? He did not have to engage. While he has no duty to retreat, he has no right to provoke a conflict by drawing his weapon on someone running away, either. By the way, he was someone running away that tripped and was attacked while on the ground. This isn’t even close to self defense.

    Only police can shoot someone in a compromised situation (such as running away) and only under very limited circumstances. Ask the shooter of Walter Scott about the police right to even do that.

      Colonel Travis in reply to healthguyfsu. | November 8, 2021 at 12:45 pm

      My point was not under these exact circumstances. I did not type my comment accurately enough.

        healthguyfsu in reply to Colonel Travis. | November 8, 2021 at 12:59 pm

        I think I see where you are coming from, but I doubt many people clear all elements of legal self defense while being completely wrong about motive because it speaks to reasonableness.

          Colonel Travis in reply to healthguyfsu. | November 8, 2021 at 1:23 pm

          I had in mind the example of a good Samaritan and, say, an off-duty or plainclothes police officer who happen to be in the same place and something happens where they both draw their guns and neither guy knows the other was a good guy, but both the Samaritan and the cop perceive a legit threat to themselves and end up shooting at each other because they have no idea what’s going on. All they see is a guy with a gun and think they are in grave danger. It is possible both could claim self defense but they must clear all legal hurdles.

          What I was trying to say for this Grosskreutz fellow, if he legit thought Rittenhouse was an active shooter, under different circumstances, it is not out of the realm of possibility for him to have shot at Rittenhouse and claim self-defense. A self-defense case isn’t always limited to one person. It could apply to two (tragically). Again, everything would have had to align legally for Grosskreutz. He can’t simply go shooting at Rittenhouse.

          I have no idea what Grosskreutz was thinking in Kenosha. He wasn’t thinking and paid for it. He’s lucky he didn’t go to the morgue.

          healthguyfsu in reply to healthguyfsu. | November 8, 2021 at 1:33 pm

          You are correct, of course, that it is hypothetical to have two opposing shooters claim self defense, but it is pretty rare that both would be legally justified assuming both survive.

          I think Grosskreutz was thinking clearly, just with a depraved mind. He’s not near as innocent as he portrays himself to be.

    He is a convicted felon in ILLEGAL possession of a firearm.

    If the woke jackasses prosecuted Grosskreutz it would be a slam-dunk conviction.

      fogflyer in reply to Olinser. | November 8, 2021 at 8:38 pm

      Is he a convicted felon?
      Both parties stipulated to the fact that he had been convicted of a crime, but what crime was it? Do we know? I doubt it was a felony or he could have never got a CCW… unless that is the reason he didn’t renew it.

        henrybowman in reply to fogflyer. | November 8, 2021 at 10:06 pm

        See here (specifically the entry from 5/9/2015) and here.
        The second document is his felony burglary rap from May 2013.
        The secret sauce in this whole gumbo is that the 2013 rap was apparently “expunged,” allowing him to say on the stand, “I’m not a felon.”
        He’s a felon.

His plaintiff lawyer must have put these questions in for Binger.

was he instructed to give so much detail inorder to persuade the jury that he was a medic not a combatant?
Is someone going to ask him who took his Glock? who disarmed him?
how are any of his injuries pertinent to whether or not Kyle was in fear of his life. ? Extending a glock would pretty much be a threat to Kyle’s life.

TaxPayingPatriot | November 8, 2021 at 12:15 pm

Have him on mute … I don’t care about every detail of what was done, or if he agrees with what professional health care and emergency people did. He messed with the bull and took the horns. He brandished an illegally possessed concealed weapon, and Rittenhouse took it seriously and defended himself.

Do professionally trained medics often livestream people while providing them medical treatment?

Get the violin.

All aboard!! Train leaving station.

How is this crap relevant.

INfuriating that defense is not objecting as irrelevant to this medical testimony

One question in and he’s exposed as a lying dissembler.

Good they got the lawsuit…Get him!!!

Well the defens just passed over all the good stuff in 2 minutes.

This seems to be the best witness the prosecution has put on. It’s not a defense “win” like last week’s witnesses were. I don’t think the damage is terrible.

    Decee in reply to vfr2imc. | November 8, 2021 at 6:37 pm

    What we’re you watching? He was absolutely horrendous for them.

    This was their star witness and he showed himself up to be a self absorbed liar.

His credibility just shot to zero with the defense destroying his narrative of neutrality.

Long live the REVOLUCION!!

Anacleto Mitraglia | November 8, 2021 at 12:47 pm

“This is not who I am”.
I don’t know if Twatter/FB activity is admittable in court, but I remember this guy complaining on the Internet that he was sorry he didn’t kill Rittenhouse.

Chirafisi: You believe he’s in physical danger because he’s being attacked?

GG: Yes.

Game set and match.

Gaige just testified that he believed Rittenhouse was in grave danger. LOL

Commie just surrendered.

Fatso has head in hands LOL!

Is it just me, or is chirafisi doing much better than Richards is on cross?

    f2000 in reply to jmare. | November 8, 2021 at 1:15 pm

    I would have liked him to follow the line of questions about him pointing a gun at Rittenhouse with “Do you think Kyle may have perceived having a gun pointed at him in that moment as a serious threat?” But otherwise, it’s been a fun bit of cross.

      OnePingOnly in reply to f2000. | November 8, 2021 at 1:32 pm

      Prosecution would object. Speculation. GG would have no idea what KR may have been thinking at that moment.

      Elzorro in reply to f2000. | November 8, 2021 at 2:07 pm

      No fun for his plaintiff lawyer in his 10 million lawsuit. The value of her case is dwindling by the second. It will soon be down to lawyers fees to go away and a bag of pot for the bum. Surprise the ACLU hires full blown communist revolutionaries for legal observers.

Live commentary frozen for everyone or just me?

So a Glock offers how many rounds of first aid by a combative medic?

Better than I expected by the defense. The state is back on their heels and reeling.

I do not know where the defense attorney finds the forbearance preventing him from jumping into the witness well and trying to neat the hell out of GK. What a pure snake.

Did the defense miss an opportunity to cut Grosskreutz’s testimony? He stated he didn’t fully cooperate with the police because of his concern with what was being posted on-line. However, he acknowledged a twitter post from last Friday where he responded to someone’s comment with a “wink” emoji and a pithy response. Why not then ask, Mr. Grosskreutz’s if you are so deeply concerned about your safety because of on-line comments, why are you replying to them?

TaxPayingPatriot | November 8, 2021 at 1:23 pm

Scrolled back to watch whatever it was that the Judge stopped things for a bit, but Defense just got Grosskreutz to admit Kyle fired after he pointed a glock at him point blank. Dang.

Can the defense ask about Grosskreutz’s reasoning as to why he applied for a CCW? Isn’t carry in public for the purpose of self-defense a strong reason why one would apply for such a permit?

Then, can the defense ask Grosskreutz ask about potential situations in which an individual might need to use his CC weapon?

Then, can the defense ask Grosskreutz what he would do if the roles were reversed, would he shoot at an armed assailant?

So the guy who can attest that GG said he wished he’d unloaded his Glock mag into KR was served with a subpoena (for Wednesday) while sitting in court today and immediately bolted the courthouse? lol

First he said his gun had no round in the chamber, then he said it did. I loved the images of Krouse with his head in his hands and Binger staring like a Deer in the headlights.

Once Gaige testified, “Not the person I am,” re: why he didn’t shoot Kyle, doesn’t that open the door to his “only regret”?

    Olinser in reply to VioletJanes. | November 8, 2021 at 10:16 pm

    The door is already open, the guy that posted that statement – John Marshall – will be called to testify by the defense. Or at least he’s on the witness list, as I understand it.

I can’t wait for cross.

    c_programmer in reply to VioletJanes. | November 8, 2021 at 1:57 pm

    When direct began my first thought was “cross is going to be a circus.” We’re only a couple of questions in and this guy is bombing harder than I expected.

    Elzorro in reply to VioletJanes. | November 8, 2021 at 1:58 pm

    How can they? They should just forego it They will be destroyed by this commie. He just threw their whole case in chief out the courthouse window and it is fluttering away in the breeze. He is a pothead communist revolutionary. Dumb as a brick. He was only saved by the lunch bell.

      VioletJanes in reply to Elzorro. | November 8, 2021 at 2:29 pm

      Thanks, I didn’t know the lunch bell interrupted this session. Gaige threw away the charge involving him, but the prosecutors could still try to salvage the other charges. Just because … the same phantasmagorical reason we’re here in the first place.

Seems the ACLU uses the NLG training materials (or something based on them, though the training may be different for local chapters) for legal observers: https://cldc.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/LO_Manual.pdf

Not really a lot definite in there, but there are a few points to note:

– Observers are recommended to pick up rubber bullets and other evidence of police uses of force. This would explain why he was carrying around a tear gas canister
– Observers are explicitly recommended NOT to act as peacekeepers or to get involved in incidents
– Observers are told to work in teams and “try not to run off on your own no matter how chaotic the event may get”
– Legal observers are recommended to clearly identify themselves as such
– Legal observers “should also have a basic understanding of potential defenses such as the rights of…justification
(essentially, the commission of a harmful act reasonably believed necessary to avoid a
greater harm); self-defense and defense of others; and de minimis infractions (where the
actor’s conduct may have caused the harm that the law prohibits but to an extent too
trivial to condemn with a conviction).”

WI concealed carry permit also has a training requirement, so he should be familiar with the legality of armed self defense and he should have been thoroughly cautioned about intervening in incidents where he does not have all the information. That said, Hunter’s Ed seems to fulfil the training requirement so maybe not.

No evidence in the record so far about the underage firearms. Unless they put any in before the state rests da judge will have to throw it out.

    There’s evidence in the record. Evidence Kyle has the gun, and his age at time is likely stipulated.

      TX was wondering.

      Defense is correct that the judge should just throw it out. I assume prosecution is correct that legislative intent was to allow hunting, but that didn’t make it into the law, and while it’s sometimes necessary to interpret vague restrictions, neither the prosecutor nor the judge has the authority to create restrictions from whole cloth.

Sorry about the live commentary, folks. Internet has gone 95% down in my neighborhood–Comcast has a tech working on it. I’m still able to watch the trial using my cell phone and my one bar of cell access (so end of day post should be fine), but desktop internet is currently on life support. I am barely able to use Twitter, so if you go to @LawSelfDefense you can see me live commenting there, but the system we use on LI is completely done. Once it comes back, I’ll be back to live comment here. Hoping that this comment goes through! 🙂

You should check out Rekieta Law livestreaming on YT.
He has six lawyers on right now. Almost all of “lawtube” is on or has been on his channel. Great insight.

A whole hour and all Bingham can come up with to rehab this destruction of his case is The Boogaloo Boys and Kyle pulling a trash dumpster out of the street.

    f2000 in reply to Elzorro. | November 8, 2021 at 2:58 pm

    Not sure why the defense let them talk about boogaloo boys at all. Seems prejudicial given there’s no demonstrated connection.

      Elzorro in reply to f2000. | November 8, 2021 at 3:06 pm

      Me either. Must be a rule.

      healthguyfsu in reply to f2000. | November 8, 2021 at 3:27 pm

      1. It’s irrelevant to the case and looks desperate. Why give them any ammo by objecting and make it look like the defense is hiding something.

      2. I’d say let them present all their conjecture and play their hand, then turn back and ask one of their witnesses if Kyle has ever been involved or discussed working with the “Boogaloo Boys”…bang, narrative destroyed. The benefit is that the defense will know they’ve already played their hand and don’t have anything to suggest otherwise.

I’ve been watching on Rekieta Law on YT, and Charfisi’s (?) evisceration of Grosskreutz was a pleasure to watch. Getting Grosskreutz to admit he (a former EMT) was concerned for Kyle during the skateboard hits, and he freely offered up he was worried about head trauma…

And getting him to admit Kyle only shot him when he was advancing and pointed a loaded, illegally concealed carried pistol directly at Kyle…

I eagerly await the resolution of Grosskreutz’s claim he had ‘no regrets’ after that night…

Pathetic and desperate.

This is getting better and better.

Now they put up a Robot.

Capsaicin_Addict | November 8, 2021 at 3:05 pm

You guys should come by the Farms. We’re having a GRAND time watching this. We’ve never seen humiliation pr0n done in a courtroom setting before!

OK, in all seriousness, though, how this does not end in a directed verdict of not guilty is beyond me. The prosecution’s done more damage to their case than the defense has, and Grosskreutz just crapped on what’s left.

Despite there being no dispute over Rittenhouse firing the lethal shots, we get treated to way too much forensic evidence to prove a fact that isn’t contested.

    IMO, that’s the prosecution trying to negatively influence the jury with ‘It was an evil rifle that shot evil bullets at evil ultra high velocity! That’s so evil you must convict him!!!!!

Officer testifying about hands… hands are the tell!


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