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Study Indicates Pfizer COVID-19 Vaccine Effectiveness Decreases After 6 Months

Study Indicates Pfizer COVID-19 Vaccine Effectiveness Decreases After 6 Months

In deep blue Vermont, 76% of September Covid-19 deaths are vaccine breakthrough cases.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hbg2Vi4xNwE

A study released in The Lancet medical journal found that the efficacy of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine fell below 50 percent after about six months after the second dose.

The data indicates the decline was not dependent on the strain of the coronavirus causing an infection.

The Pfizer-funded study found that Pfizer’s vaccine was 88 percent effective in the first month after full vaccination but dropped to 47 percent effectiveness at about six months. The vaccine was also found to be highly effective against the delta variant, which was found to be over 90 percent effective in the first months before dropping to 53 percent effectiveness after four months.

Researchers determined that the waning immunity had to do with the amount of time since an individual was given the second shot rather than due to the highly infectious delta strain,

However, company representatives assert that the data also shows that the vaccines help prevent hospitalizations and deaths, and the third “booster” shot will offer reliable protection against the serious Delta variant.

However, the study published on Monday states vaccine effectiveness against hospital admission for infections with the Delta variant remained as high as 93% for all ages six months after full vaccination.

“Our results provide support for high effectiveness of [Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine] against hospital admissions up until around six months after being fully vaccinated, even in the face of widespread dissemination of the Delta variant,” the researchers said in The Lancet. “Reduction in vaccine effectiveness against SARS-CoV-2 infections over time is probably primarily due to waning immunity with time rather than the Delta variant escaping vaccine protection,” they added.

The new study comes just weeks after the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved a booster dose for a high-risk population. A booster dose will effectively improve the vaccine’s efficacy.

“The good news is that we are very, very confident that a third dose, a booster, will take up the immune response to levels that will be enough to protect against the Delta variant,” said CEO Albert Bourla to CNBC.

And while all of this data seems to be positive, the data also reveals the vaccines are not 100% effective against death. A review of the numbers in deep-blue Vermont shows that 76% of September COVID-19 deaths were vaccine breakthrough cases.

Just eight of the 33 Vermonters who died of Covid-19 in September were unvaccinated, the Vermont Department of Heath said Wednesday.

Health Department spokesperson Ben Truman said most of the vaccine ‘breakthrough’ Covid-19 fatalities were elderly. Because they were among the first vaccinated, Vermont’s elderly “have had more time to potentially become a vaccine breakthrough case,” he said.

Expressed in percentages, 76% of Vermont Covid-19 fatalities were breakthrough cases. As of Tuesday, 88 percent of all eligible Vermonters (age 12 and over) had been vaccinated with at least one shot.

At Tuesday’s press conference, the Department of Health September mortality statistics did not show a vaccinated/unvaccinated breakdown. Despite recent emphatic references by Gov. Phil Scott and Health Department Commissioner Mark Levine to a “pandemic of the unvaccinated,” the per capita rate of vaccinated breakthrough deaths has risen in recent weeks.

I am going to keep an eye out for reports of illness and death in those who receive the highly touted booster shot. I would not be surprised if such reports started appearing 4-6 months from now, based on the current patterns.

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And yet the vaccine itself has significant risks.

At what point do we declare the risk to benefit ratio too high to accept?

I claim we’re already there. People who say having the vaccine makes catching covid less symptomatic would probably have not gotten very sick even without the vaccine. Most people don’t get deathly ill.

On another matter, the majority of people survive playing Russian Roulette.

    The Friendly Grizzly in reply to Mark Cohen. | October 6, 2021 at 5:07 pm

    .<blockquote<On another matter, the majority of people survive playing Russian Roulette.

    Except those doing it with a 1911 or a Glock…

      had to think about that for a moment..

      Game of Russian Roulette is generally played with a revolver.

      Although with a pistol one could insert one live round and otherwise blanks

        The Friendly Grizzly in reply to Mark Cohen. | October 6, 2021 at 8:21 pm

        I’m well-aware of the use of a revolver. I was referring to the idea of enough stupidity to ACTUALLY play it with a semi-auto.

        We had a particularly vile MP on my base. I was navy but the base was Army. Even the other MPs detested this clown. Someone talked him into Russian Roulette, and yes he was stupid enough to use a semi-auto.

        henrybowman in reply to Mark Cohen. | October 6, 2021 at 11:38 pm

        As Brandon Lee (son of Bruce) discovered, blanks are as lethal as bullets at that range.
        In any event, with a pistol, whoever loads the mag always knows where the money shot is. With a revolver, which is spun to randomize it.

          Colonel Travis in reply to henrybowman. | October 7, 2021 at 4:22 am

          Blanks are blanks. Although, the gas explosion from a blank can kill a person if you hold the gun right at the skin. It’s rare but I have read about these deaths. Brandon Lee was shot 5-6 yards from the shooter. He died from a bullet or bullet fragment, which had come off a previous, non-blank round (they do this for close ups). When they switched rounds back to blanks, the shooter never checked the barrel. Every time I pick up a weapon, I don’t care if someone checked it right in front of me, I do a visual and physical check, I stick my pinkie into the chamber. If it’s dark you could miss seeing a bullet there. I do this every single time I pick up a weapon. Every. Single. Time. Breaking this habit could kill someone, thinking the gun is unloaded when it really is loaded. I actually think about the Brandon Lee incident sometimes when I inspect a firearm, because that should not have happened.

          The gas from the blank shot out the lodged bullet or fragment and that’s what killed him.

        harleycowboy in reply to Mark Cohen. | October 8, 2021 at 9:13 am

        “…the serious Delta variant…”
        Which is less serious than the original so let’s use SCARY bold type to make it scary.

    Think38 in reply to Mark Cohen. | October 6, 2021 at 5:58 pm

    “At what point do we declare the risk to benefit ratio too high to accept?
    I claim we’re already there.”

    Fantastic question. The answer may vary considerably from one person to the next. Little (apparent) value to giving the young the vaccine. For older individuals the benefit seems favorable. Maybe that’s why we should let individuals and their doctors decide.

      Mark Cohen in reply to Think38. | October 6, 2021 at 6:45 pm

      But I thought one size fits all is the way to achieve maximum return on investment – to not have variety and deviation from simple standards is efficiency

      /Sarc

    Ben Kent in reply to Mark Cohen. | October 6, 2021 at 6:09 pm

    Panned obsolesce at its finest.

    Now they’ll get the US Government to use another $1+ trillion to buy 330 million more doses

      Ben Kent in reply to Ben Kent. | October 6, 2021 at 9:38 pm

      Planned

      jlronning in reply to Ben Kent. | October 7, 2021 at 6:47 am

      Drug pushers rely on getting their customers hooked on expensive drugs . . .

      Meanwhile, Uttar Pradesh, largest State in India (240 million) just became covid-free with around 5% “fully vaccinated,” by relying on early treatment and natural immunity. That is why the media must ignore what they did (mass distribution of Ivermectin plus zinc plus vitamins, starting August 2020 – while the first world was pretending there were no treatments), or, when they can no longer ignore it, tell lies about what they did.

    Olinser in reply to Mark Cohen. | October 6, 2021 at 10:01 pm

    If the only way to get the company to make the vaccine is to give them immunity from liability then it’s too high.

      Ben Kent in reply to Olinser. | October 7, 2021 at 7:44 pm

      A Trillion $ tax-dollars wasted. Thank you Fauci. Thanks to the CDC and WHO and the healthcare – industrial complex.

The Friendly Grizzly | October 6, 2021 at 5:06 pm

Several of my on-line friends are in health care. Virtually all took the two-shot Pfizer series, and virtually all are refusing the boosters. They are seeing the Covid admissions at their locations, and, they are almost all vaxxed.

    healthguyfsu in reply to The Friendly Grizzly. | October 6, 2021 at 5:07 pm

    I won’t get a booster either until I know my titer. You have a potential for a very bad reaction if the booster is premature.

    The seasonal region shift is happening, so the outbreaks ans surges in cases are starting to happen up north. Where lockdowns and dutiful masking/vaxxing are king. The narrative is about to break in unusual (and to us, at least, hilarious) ways. As Floridians (those of us who actually live here) start getting out and about more due to cooling temps, our numbers are declining. As everyone with half a brain knew they would. As it starts cooling up north, and folks start hunkering indoors, the virus will surge. It’s a virus. It will do what it does and what every other virus does and has always done.

    So far, the northeastern surge is being blamed not on the pols or ridiculously unnecessary tyrannical treatment of a free people but on the “delta variant.” Meanwhile, in Florida, De Santis didn’t blink, and our hospitalizations and deaths are going down, not because he’s some kind of WuFlu whisperer but because he is actually following the actual science. We knew it would surge here in the summer, and just carried on like normal people. Now it’s surging up north, and I’m waiting for images of Australia to manifest as they all freakout over something that simply can’t be controlled, no matter how much the state bashes in heads, fires rubber bullets into crowds, or chokes unmasked citizens. Or, and what seems to be more likely given Biden’s sudden declaration that the end is in sight, they’ll just pretend that the seasonal surge is not happening up north since it can’t be politicized against Republicans.

    The AP is reporting that more people have died of WuFlu this year SO FAR, under Biden, than did in the entirety of 2020, when there was no vaccine. Note that there are no wrathful rantings about Biden’s incompetence in dealing with the virus (nor should there be, it’s a virus, no president can control it. Obviously.). His mandates and the pushback on the boosters are doing nothing to address WuFlu and are only sinking his flailing presidency more quickly. Let him march on against the American people. It’ll be funny.

      Joe-dallas in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | October 6, 2021 at 6:21 pm

      The regional shift of influenza pandemics has been well documented in the medical literature since the 1950’s1960’s . Edgar Hopes Simpson documented what is now known as the hopes simpson curve. His research went back to the mid 1800’s well before the advent of A/C. – So indoor/outdoor is apparently not a factor.

      regions north of the 30th N parallel have 90% of infections in the 3 winter months. Regions of the world south of the 30thN have 40% of infections in the summer and the rest in the winter. Florida is almost all south of the 30thN and the southern part of Texas, new orleans, none of the rest of the USA is south of the 30th N.

        Super interesting! We get so used to the seasonal rotations of every other coronavirus that it just makes sense that there are going to be similar seasonal surges with this one, too. Good to read your supporting details on what we all intuitively understand. Thanks for sharing, Joe-Dallas!

        @Joe-Dallas, I think this detail is particularly interesting: “His research went back to the mid 1800’s well before the advent of A/C. – So indoor/outdoor is apparently not a factor.”

        I wonder if AC really is a factor, though? I mean before AC, the populations of the South were lower than now (for obvious reasons), and the pre-AC Southerners still hunkered down in the shade or simply (those who could) bailed out in the summer months.

        The social seasons for the South were in the Winter (mostly), Spring, and the Fall (and actually still are, holdovers from the old pre-AC days), not in the height of the dog days of summer. Indeed, Southern aristocrats left the South for the entire summer, heading to Newport, RI, Europe, Virginia, & etc.

        In today’s lingo, Southerners had “hacks” for the summer heat and that may have contributed to the seasonal surges then just as much as AC does now for a much more populated South?

        /just spit-balling, I have not researched this, just find it very interesting.

      If the politics were removed and we lived in a sane nation Covid would be treated as an endemic disease like the flu and the common cold. The common cold and seasonal flu cannot be ‘reasonably’ controlled. The efficacy of annual flu shots for people under 60 is legitimately questionable, We’ve learned to live with them.

      More and more countries have decided to now treat Covid as an endemic disease like the flu and the common cold — Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Belarus…

      But then, they did not have their own version of OrangeManBad in early 2020. And they are not in the midst of a Marxist political coup fueled by leftwing media driven Covid-1984 fear and hysteria.

      And then there are Australia and New Zealand.

33 deaths is a pretty small number overall which skews the % a bit when many of the elderly that die were also vaccinated.

The same report also indicated that only 1/3 of new cases were breakthroughs meaning that 2/3 were unvaccinated (which is a category I wish they would split into “unvaccinated” vs “ineligible to be vaccinated”)

    CommoChief in reply to healthguyfsu. | October 6, 2021 at 6:02 pm

    I would add another category of naturally acquired immunity which is both more robust and longer lasting than the performance of any vax. That this keeps being overlooked and ignored in our policy discussion and implementation is bordering on the absurd.

      It’s inexplicable, CommoChief. I really don’t understand how natural (or acquired) immunity is not a key part of the discussion. Literally tens of (scores of?) millions of Americans have had WuFlu and recovered, and we all have immunity that is being completely ignored. And it’s providing better, according to even scientists working for giant vaccine producers, results resisting or even upon a second infection than the vaccinated. This is why people must be free to make their own decisions without mandates and politically-motivated social pressure from zombie mobs who believe everything Biden or Fauci say; we are not being told everything, so you have to really do your homework to figure out what is best for you and your family.

        It’s not inexplicable. It’s incredibly predictable for two simple reasons:

        1) Because the people that have actually gotten the virus and acquired immunity is FAR different from the number of ‘cases’ that they’ve been blasting out for a long time, and they have no way to reconcile the difference.

        2) Natural immunity is far, FAR more effective than the ‘vaccine’, and they aren’t willing to admit this.

        Scientifically it should be very easy to quantify. There are fairly accurate antibody tests, and to be registered as immune you need to hit a specific result range on the test after infection and recovery.

          Yeah, no, never “registering” as anything (including “immune”) with this, or any other, central government. That is the most un- and anti-American idea ever. #IWillNotComply oh, and #FJB

          JHogan in reply to Olinser. | October 6, 2021 at 8:29 pm

          This also explains the drive for 97-98% vaccination ASAP. It likely eliminates any possibility of determining natural immunity strength/duration. Was it the vax or natural immunity?

          It eliminates two control groups — the unvaccinated and the naturally immune. Which also overlap.

          This way Comrade Biden and his Regime can make any claim they want about how their edicts and dictates saved the nation without fear of contradiction. That is, contradiction the Dem-media propaganda complex can’t discount and/or suppress.

          If/when people start having serious long term health issues from the vaccines years down the line Biden will be long gone and probably dead. And the Left hopes by then to have total power and control.

          JHogan in reply to Olinser. | October 6, 2021 at 8:31 pm

          I’ll only take an anti-body test if I can be certain the results will remain private.

          So cute! If it remains private! Heh.

          This is how liberty dies.

          Olinser in reply to Olinser. | October 6, 2021 at 9:13 pm

          @fuzzy – sorry, imprecise language on my part, I didn’t mean ‘register’ as immune – although you know that they’re going to try and demand that.

          I meant ‘register’ as in ‘the results register in X range’, and if the results are in the designated range then medically that means you are immune.

          JHogan in reply to Olinser. | October 6, 2021 at 9:18 pm

          I was thinking in terms of an at home test with immediate results.

          No need to go anywhere else for further information. No registering. Nothing provided to the internet.

          Like a blood sugar level test.

          Put drop of blood on a test strip or in a test tube with an agent — Red antibodies, Blue no antibodies.

          henrybowman in reply to Olinser. | October 6, 2021 at 11:54 pm

          “2) Natural immunity is far, FAR more effective than the ‘vaccine’, and they aren’t willing to admit this.”

          But they will, on video, if they want to get into the pants of the hot chick (or guy, in Taylor Lee’s case) who is scamming them with the hidden camera on their “date.”

          randian in reply to Olinser. | October 7, 2021 at 12:56 am

          Scientifically it should be very easy to quantify. There are fairly accurate antibody tests

          If you look at CDC guidelines for covid testing, antibody tests are specifically forbidden as proof of non-infection.

          alohahola in reply to Olinser. | October 7, 2021 at 1:46 am

          If they admit this then there go the MRNA vaccine licensing fees.

      healthguyfsu in reply to CommoChief. | October 6, 2021 at 6:56 pm

      It’s a group that’s not impossible to estimate but even more difficult to quantify than vaccine breakthrough cases.

      There’s many people with natural immunity that don’t know it. There’s also many people that think they have natural immunity and don’t.

        Okay. I think the question is: how far do we allow government to go in mandating vaccines? In mandating other measures that are destroying our economy and our society/culture? Say I imagine I have acquired immunity, but don’t actually, then what? Do you think I should be forced to take a vaccine I do not want or lose my ability to pay my own way and thus end up on welfare and the host of other benefits that rob people of their humanity?

        I respect that you are very pro-vaccine as evidenced in your many posts on the topic, but how far are you willing to go to enforce, by the power of the state, your will on your fellow Americans who are wary of the vaccine or who have or who even “falsely” (?!) believe they have natural (actually acquired) immunity? Where, if anywhere, do you draw the line on government enforcement in your pro-vax advocacy? I’m just curious about this because sometimes it’s hard to tell from your comments.

          Colonel Travis in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | October 6, 2021 at 7:44 pm

          Wish more people would ask these questions.

          Milhouse in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | October 6, 2021 at 9:54 pm

          If we were talking about something as deadly as, say, smallpox, then I’d say yes. But Wuhan Disease simply doesn’t rise to the level that could justify such drastic measures.

          henrybowman in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | October 7, 2021 at 12:02 am

          “Okay. I think the question is: how far do we allow government to go in mandating vaccines?”

          If it’s not a constitutionally-delegated power, the feds don’t have it. Tenth Amendment .End of story.

          You want to account for the occasional Typhoid Mary case? Fine.
          It’s not a crime to be a carrier any more than it is to be a “head case,” but the state (not the feds, the actual state) has always had lawful authority to detain or even imprison such people after due process. That’s full, individual due process — none of this collectivism or red-flag bullshit. Prove that this person is a danger, then address the situation accordingly.
          As “free Americans,” this is the most we should allow our government to do.

          You want to account for the occasional Typhoid Mary case?

          True carriers like Typhoid Mary are almost singular individuals, yet our covid overlords repeatedly make the claim that everybody is a Covid Mary.

          As someone who has never been sick with the flu in my life, I have looked for reliable antibody tests and everything leads to the PCR. It is perfectly logical for me to believe that I have a very robust immune system but I would sure like to know if I already had WuFlu and didn’t know it.

          Everything I have read it is dangerous for people who are already immune to be “vaccinated”. Heck, it’s dangerous enough to play around with our DNA before thorough testing can be conducted but to jab people without screening them for natural immunity is attempted murder. They don’t even have a reliable test for determining whether you are truly infected. The CDC ordered that the highly-flawed PCR tests be discontinued a couple of months ago but the crazy Marxists forced them to extend the effective date to 12/31/21. There is no effective test for infection?

          They know most of us aren’t stupid so they know we know they are just beating us into submission to break us into obedient sheep. We are not going to reason our way out of this any more than the Jews could reason their way out of concentration camps of WWII.

          nordic_prince in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | October 7, 2021 at 8:44 am

          Prove that this person is a danger, then address the situation accordingly.

          This has been my response to nonsense like “the unvaxxed are worse than drunk drivers” or “the unvaxxed are a threat to society because they’re unvaxxed” – PROVE IT.

          PROVE that I am a “threat.” PROVE that my unvaxxed status inevitably results in immediate (i.e. direct) harm to other individuals.

          It might make good talking points on CNN, but the more honest among them know that they CANNOT prove such BS… which is why they whip up the scientifically illiterate sheeple into a frenzy with lie after obvious lie.

          healthguyfsu in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | October 7, 2021 at 12:25 pm

          Agree….my answer is not far. I will encourage people to consider taking the vaccine for the first time because I believe it’s the right call for 90% of the population.

          However, I will not force them nor will I support anyone that does.

        CommoChief in reply to healthguyfsu. | October 7, 2021 at 10:23 am

        Which begs the question of why accurate antibody testing which indicates the level of protection haven’t been made available with the same distribution and fanfare as the initial vax rollout.

        IMO, the answer is that initially the public health community didn’t want to confuse the vax messaging which seems reasonable for last winter and spring.

        Many months of vax availability and hundreds of millions vaxed it is now completely unreasonable not to determine how many people have durable natural immunity. IMO, it is a dereliction of duty on the part of our leadership. Their stubborn refusal to acknowledge the role of natural immunity and quantity the numbers which would tell us where we are in terms of herd immunity is troubling.

        It lends itself to conspiracy theories which are unhelpful. This grows each day as does the unwillingness of the hesitant. In fact many of the hesitant have shifted to a hard hell no as a result of the plain and openly unscientific approach of the public health community and our leadership.

    henrybowman in reply to healthguyfsu. | October 7, 2021 at 12:08 am

    Ironically, this is almost exactly the number of deaths that stopped distribution of the Swine Flu vaccine cold.

They are on to something with timeline though, and there’s a reason we haven’t seen any published studies verifying anything beyond 6 months.

We need to figure out boosters safely and effectively because this vax is not going to last very long at all it seems. A few key metrics are already showing breakthrough vulnerability with time.

The point of the vaccine was to reduce Rzero to less than 1.0 so the disease would die out.

The unvaccinated pool kept the disease alive though (which is how all the mandatory stuff got into the science), and also the variants which raise Rzero back over 1.0 again so the disease grows regardless.

So the remaining positive is that the vaccine reduces the severity of the infection that you eventually get, since variants aren’t apparently going to be suppressed.

    alaskabob in reply to rhhardin. | October 6, 2021 at 5:53 pm

    There shouldn’t be a “breakthrough” but considering an animal reservoir for COVID exists … this is not small pox with no animal vector. Since vaccinated can infect vaccinated and the vaccine potentates more aggressive mutations … the unvaccinated are your least worries. Boosters forever, immunity never.

      rhhardin in reply to alaskabob. | October 6, 2021 at 7:02 pm

      With an Rzero of less than 1.0, a new case doesn’t spark a pandemic. Any local outbreak dies out. That was what shutdowns try to achieve and what the vaccine was supposed to do, not eliminate the disease but make it irrelevant if it pops up.

      With vaccinated getting and spreading the disease, hopefully without symptoms, that just amounts to adding natural immunity without actually being “sick,” but it means that being unvaccinated is that much more dangerous since the disease is unattenuated for you, and people are no longer social distancing to avoid it.

      healthguyfsu in reply to alaskabob. | October 6, 2021 at 7:02 pm

      The vaccine does no more to potentiate mutations than not having a vaccine. I don’t think you understand viral evolution…it’s not survival of the fittest for an entity that is not alive (which viruses aren’t).

        Well, viruses may not be “alive,” but they can certainly replicate, morph, and negatively influence our biology through (magically) generated (by a dead virus) variant strains. So how would you describe a “dead” virus that has these undisputed abilities? I’m so not a scientist or immunologist or anything remotely related to understanding viruses, but what you are saying just doesn’t make sense to me.

          I have mentioned this a few times. Viruses fizzle out..

          https://mullersratchet.wordpress.com/2012/08/14/why-mullers-ratchet/

          This was discussed early April, 2020, on the Ingraham Angle.. Two virologists explained.

          healthguyfsu in reply to Fuzzy Slippers. | October 7, 2021 at 12:37 pm

          The virus is not “dead”; it’s inanimate. It’s more akin to a genetic “toxin” (inanimate chemical) than a parasite (living organism).

          Not alive =/= dead…hence rocks.

          Living organisms have the characteristics of selection that leads them to have emergent adaptations in order to survive and thrive as a species and reproduce selectively.

          Viruses don’t reproduce selectively…they don’t make choices. Their environment and hosts dictate the “choice”. If a virus has a lesser chance of spreading via an immunized host then it has less chance to make more copies of any mutant strains.

          A plethora of evidence indicates that being vaccinated reduces (while not eliminating) the risk of both infection and severity (as measured by hospitalization). Thus, the data indicate an undeniable curbing of spread while the vaccine remains effective. How long it remains effective is the crux of Leslie’s article and the debate at this point.

          Thus, I stand by my very conservative statement that a vaccine does no more to potentiate mutation than no vaccine. (I could have made the counter-claim that vaccination MIGHT curb mutation, but I chose not to because it seems to anger certain people on this board).

    Olinser in reply to rhhardin. | October 6, 2021 at 6:12 pm

    That’s just a straight up lie. There is ZERO data that shows the vaccine reduces the Rzero AT ALL, and the CDC has already admitted it does absolutely nothing to stop people from actually getting the virus in the first place (which was obvious to anybody who actually understood how this ‘vaccine’ worked in the first place – it’s NOT A VACCINE, it’s gene therapy).

    Particularly with nations like Israel with ~90% vaccination rate having huge outbreaks, your bullshit about ‘unvaccinated pool’ is just that, bullshit.

      nordic_prince in reply to Olinser. | October 6, 2021 at 9:28 pm

      Exactly. It’s not a vaccine if it neither prevents you from contracting it nor stops you from spreading it to others – it would be more properly called a therapeutic (which is what they’re implying when they claim it will “lessen the severity” and so on).

      With that reasoning, zinc and/or echinacea should be considered “vaccines” for the common cold.

    CommoChief in reply to rhhardin. | October 6, 2021 at 6:17 pm

    ‘Reduces the severity of the infection’. Except of course for the 3/4 of those who died of Covid in Vermont while having been fully vaccinated. Blaming the folks who haven’t been vaccinated for becoming a reservoir of Covid spreaders is absolutely absurd.

    Firstly the efficacy of the vax wanes significantly at 4 months and more so at 6 months so we had 120 days to vax everyone before the efficacy waned. In January we were distributing slightly above a million doses per day there was no way to simultaneously vax the entire adult population of the US, we lacked the stockpile and the distribution system.

    Secondly you ignore the fact that natural immunity has shown repeatedly to last as long as 18 months and a level of protection comparable to the vax.

    Those who wanted to choose the vaccine have made their individual decisions about their health as have those who declined the vax. Let’s not start assigning blame for the presence of an endemic virus.

      healthguyfsu in reply to CommoChief. | October 6, 2021 at 7:00 pm

      That’s not correct Chief. ~3/4 of new covid deaths in the last month were vaccinated (about 20 deaths out of 33 total in the state). The number of vaccinated represented in the death total in Vermont for all time is still below 0.5% of total deaths.

        Olinser in reply to healthguyfsu. | October 6, 2021 at 8:51 pm

        Hey guys, if you include a year of deaths where the vaccine didn’t even exist in the ‘unvaccinated’ total, then more people died without the vaccine!!!!

        Shockingly this isn’t a very convincing argument.

          healthguyfsu in reply to Olinser. | October 7, 2021 at 12:40 pm

          Question: were the people who died before the vaccine existed considered vaccinated or unvaccinated?

          Why would they not be included?

          Regardless, though you can look at just since the vaccination rate in Vermont hit a standstill and see a disproportionately high death rate among the unvaccinated.

          It did creep up this month and bears monitoring to see whether it’s a data blip or a real trend that indicates the vaccine might be wearing off.

        CommoChief in reply to healthguyfsu. | October 7, 2021 at 9:58 am

        When 76% of the Covid deaths identified by the State of Vermont in September were fully vaxed that seems to show that 3/4 of Covid deaths in Vermont, based on the most recent data, are now among the vaxed.

        If you want to quibble about the total number from inception then sure, simply break out the % from the point of mass vax delivery into arms; maybe start with the numbers from July of 2021. To use any deaths prior to mass vax completion in early summer much less 2020 numbers is dishonest.

          healthguyfsu in reply to CommoChief. | October 7, 2021 at 12:42 pm

          Dishonest is incorrect…the virus doesn’t care if you are refusing the vaccine or didn’t have access to a vaccine. You are still unvaccinated either way, so what is dishonest about it?

          Regardless, see my comment above.

          CommoChief in reply to CommoChief. | October 7, 2021 at 1:55 pm

          So in framing a policy debate you think it’s fair to continue to use aggregate numbers of deaths stretching back more than a year beyond when vaccines were widely available much less in arms when comparing Covid deaths for gas v unvax? That is dishonest and a false comparison.

          The true comparison in outcomes for those vaxed v unvaxed is to start the comparison when vaccination rates of 50% were achieved. Moreover, you continue your dishonest framing by yet again excluding a third category; those with natural immunity.

          healthguyfsu in reply to CommoChief. | October 7, 2021 at 6:52 pm

          I care little for a “policy debate” because my stance does not change regarding individual freedom and your right to choose.

          That said, it is not at all dishonest to statistically compare groups of unequal sizes. There are statistical tests to handle the disparities (and % is a normalizer because it accounts for that disparity anyways).

          If we couldn’t compare unequally sized groups then how would we ever compare lefties to righties or white Americans to black Americans, for example?

          healthguyfsu in reply to CommoChief. | October 7, 2021 at 6:55 pm

          As for the “naturally immune”, how do you honestly compare this group that you don’t know when they acquired this immunity, when they were exposed to COVID, and if that “natural immunity” will ever fail.

          It’s not dishonest to chase a rainbow but it is still an exercise is folly to attempt to quantify it.

“Pfizer-funded study found that Pfizer’s vaccine …”

More generically…

[Fill-in-the-blank] corporation funded study found that [Fill-in-the-blank] corporation’s product…

Setting the reported data and results aside…

Odd how the Left has no problem with this construct when the corporation is one they favor and, for some reason, trust almost without question.

Especially considering Pfizer is now lobbying for and pushing boosters for everyone.

Would be nice to have studies from independent unaffiliated unbiased non-government sources. Not just on ‘vaccine’ efficacy, but also on short term term side effects. Studies that aren’t squashed and censored by the federal government, Big Tech, and Big Pharma.

And, how about some studies on unvaccinated naturally immune populations.

Also, we may not know about long term effects of these experimental ‘vaccines’ for several years. Or longer if the government and Big Pharma collude (a fascist arrangement) to suppress the information. However, some knowledgeable, educated, and experienced people are raising concerns. Like the two people who resigned from the FDA over the issue. And the inventor of mRNA ‘vaccine’ technology.

This is for a virus with an overall IFR of about 0.2-0.3%. An IFR that is much, much lower for people under the age of 50. Survival rate for those under 14 is 99.9998%.

All considered, seems there’s plenty of justification for free people living in a free country to make their own decisions on whether or not to get the jab.

About the claims regarding the Delta variation… Are they now testing for this? Seems only a month or so ago I read that the Covid tests given did not distinguish the Delta variant from the original strain. Has something changed?

For the record… I wasn’t this skeptical last Feb/March when I weighed the risks and got the vaccination. I’ll wait on any booster. Probably for a very long time.

    Mark Cohen in reply to JHogan. | October 6, 2021 at 6:58 pm

    “All considered, seems there’s plenty of justification for free people living in a free country to make their own decisions on whether or not to get the jab.”

    Indeed. That’s the science.

In other words, for getting us out of this nightmare it is worse than worthless. That’s before you even get into things like adverse effects.

    On the science, the vaccine(s) seem to offer some personal protection albeit risk laden (e.g. lower cases, higher hospitalization, higher mortality), but do not contribute to community immunity.

At least this got out, see if it gets wide circulation

My guess is that 3 weeks was too short a time between #1 & #2, and that it’s the spacing of #3 that will matter.

What will be interesting is to see if the “booster” similarly wears off, after 6 months. Will there be a never ending series of booster shots. Additionally, what is apparent is the “vaccine” isn’t really a vaccine but a “Red Bull” for the immune system. Does the immune system eventually burn itself out,. That was a major issue with HIV. The immune system went into hyperdrive to fight the virus, burning out the system and then other opportunistic infections set in, claiming many patients. Will we see a similar thing happen, if we keep keep feeding COVID Red Bulls?

    That may be one one modal failure. Another is that a high percentage of antibodies produced in response to the vaccine(s)’s stimulus are dysfunctional, which is why they compensated by increasing vaccine(s) doses, a second dose, and now a booster jab, with the possibility of therapeutic supplements.

Another question is, what are the cumulative effects on the heart? It has been shown (although not reported) that people are having coronary effects. Does the chance of these effects increase with each booster?

What the science is showing is very clear. Getting your Vitamin D level at or above 50 ng/ml will keep you from dying of the dreaded covid, even accounting for other factors. And may keep you from getting it to begin with.

And it’s cheap and easy. My last measured level was 60 ng/ml.

    henrybowman in reply to gospace. | October 6, 2021 at 11:49 pm

    I was running 60 with a daily tab long term, but cut back because the lab said the “reference range” was L20, H50 and I was concerned about overfilling the old oil sump. Now you have me wondering if I should go back on daily.

      gospace in reply to henrybowman. | October 7, 2021 at 12:02 am

      Everywhere in the world- except in the USA- above 100 ng/ml is considered at risk for Vitamin D intoxication. Several years back, for no discernible reason, it was changed here to 50 ng/ml whereas it had been 100 ng/ml. It is possible, for some, to start showing some signs at 60-70 ng/ml. Which can be totally avoided by taking Vitamin K supplements. Vitamin D doesn’t work by itself- and it uses up Vitamin K when it’s working. And- if the body has a good amount of Vitamin D- it uses it, it doesn’t just store it up. Though it does store some. From all the reading I’ve done the last two years, it seems a level of 40-60 ng/ml is optimum.

      Nutritionists don’t look for optimum levels of Vitamins in the body or optimum daily intake. They look for the lowest levels at which you don’t show symptoms of not having enough.

“Study Indicates Pfizer COVID-19 Vaccine Effectiveness Decreases After 6 Months”

To quote the great philosopher Gomer Pyle,
“Soo-prahze, soo-prahze, soo-prahze!”

And now a tune from Steppenwolf.

If any of this vaccine push is legitimate, why is all open discussion banned? Why are challenges silenced? Why is the mounting evidence of danger (or worse) provided by many labs ignored? Why is the Nuremberg Code ignored? Why do I no longer hear or see the Democrat bumper sticker (that is deep thought to a democrat) “My body, my choice?”

Truth thrives in sunlight. Lies must hide in the shadows. I see lots of shadows.

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