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‘Not About Freedom’: Biden Goes Full Fascist With Six-Prong COVID Plan

‘Not About Freedom’: Biden Goes Full Fascist With Six-Prong COVID Plan

This man has no respect for the office he holds or the people he works for. Yes, he works for American citizens.

Joe Biden is a full-on fascist. He has the most divisive administration ever. His plan is not constitutional. None of it is legal.

Sir, America is all about freedom. Maybe check the document you took an oath to uphold.

Tyranny. Control, power, and distraction from his Afghanistan debacle. He promised he would not mandate vaccines or masks on the campaign trail! The CDC said in July there’d be no mandates!

Where do I begin? If your company has over 100 employees then you must mandate vaccines. That’s about 80 million workers. Don’t comply? They will fine your business $14,000 per violation.

Federal workers must get a vaccine. Except a huge chunk of federal workers.

Yet, for some reason, Biden spewed some anti-vaccine rhetoric.

Biden had to take shots at those without the vaccine and those who dare oppose his ideas. Biden really hates Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis.

Biden will also force the TSA to double fines on any travelers who refuse to wear a mask.

Guess what. Now Biden like the monoclonal antibody treatments! The administration will increase shipments of it! Didn’t he rail against DeSantis over those treatment?


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great time to support small business

    The Friendly Grizzly in reply to buck61. | September 9, 2021 at 5:17 pm

    Variation: I see a lot of small businesses forming up. Between vaccine mandates and No Whites Need Apply, the potential is there.

Colonel Travis | September 9, 2021 at 5:18 pm

And Trump was the fascist dictator authoritarian Hitler whatever….
Oh, but, see, this is for your own good. That’s the difference! This is good fascist dictator authoritarian Hitler whatever behavior. Trump was bad. This is good. Very, very good.

    Everything the government did to the population in the Soviet Union was allegedly for the people’s own good.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
    — C. S. Lewis

    In this case I doubt the tyrants are sincere. Their fake sincerity is pablum for the peasants.

    Idonttweet in reply to Colonel Travis. | September 9, 2021 at 6:41 pm

    The vax pimps often cite the Supreme Court case Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 192 U.S. 11 (1905), as justification for a vaccine mandate. Jacobson, however, dealt with a local health department requirement for smallpox vaccination. A key difference between Jacobson and today with COVID-19 is that the smallpox vaccine actually prevented people contracting or transmitting the disease.

    Today’s so-called vaccines against COVID-19 don’t even claim to do that. In fact, before the CDC changed their definition of “vaccine” earlier this month, neither of the mRNA preparations could legitimately be called “vaccines.”

    The exemption of the entire USPS workforce and millions not employed by large corporations should be enough to tell anyone this arbitrary and capricious, and has absolutely nothing to do with public health, regardless of how much fear-porn they load onto the Presidential Teleprompter.

    I absolutely question the Loofah-Brain-In Chief’s authority to issue this mandate.

    My initial response is to look for a lawsuit to sign on to and support. Then I’m going to the sporting goods store for ammo.

      In addition, the Jacobson decision validated a statute created by a legislature, which deserved deference, not executive action like Biden wants to shove down people’s throats.

      JohnSmith100 in reply to Idonttweet. | September 9, 2021 at 9:49 pm

      Ammo is hard to find now days, and Biden banning Russian ammo has made that worse.

      Fortunately, when I went to buy a small enclosed cargo trailer, the owner had used it for gun shows and had a lot of ammo. I cleaned out 22LR, 9MM, and 12 gauge bird & 00 buckshot.

      Milwaukee in reply to Idonttweet. | September 9, 2021 at 9:55 pm

      Do not forget that the CDC changed what it meant to “die of” COVID, as opposed to die with COVID. Some poor sap falls off a ladder and twists his ankle and goes to the emergency room. They test him for COVID, with an overly sensitive test, and say positive. That is a COVID admission. He gets the wrong drug and dies of a drug allergy, but because he was positive that was a COVID death. The lethalness of COVID has been greatly exaggerated. Small pox was/is both more contagious and deadly.
      Last summer the numbers came out, when about 196,000 were considered dead from COVID. Thousands were already in hospice care and DNR. About 50K were heart attacks. The actual number of “died of COVID” was around 10K, maybe 6%. That is a good point, if a patient has all these other pre-existing comorbidities, and they get the flu, is that a flu death? Or was the underlying condition the cause, and “…died with the flu”? Well in this Wuhan Flu season the definitions have been totally twisted.

      The exemption of the postal service, the people pouring over the border, this is not serious. We still are using an overly sensitive test, and hello? “asymptomatic” could very well be “false positive”. Plus we have denied hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin. Insanity and evil, on steroids.

      Steroids. Budesonide: real effective as an inhaled steroid.

      Brave Sir Robbin in reply to Idonttweet. | September 10, 2021 at 9:38 am

      “A key difference between Jacobson and today with COVID-19 is that the smallpox vaccine actually prevented people contracting or transmitting the disease.”

      A key difference was that in Jacobson, the controversy was over if the government had authority to impose a modest fine of $5 for refusing the vaccine.

      There are many key differences hear which are contestable. But government executive action is swift, and the courts are slow and now, in the main, quite arbitrary.

      Another key difference to consider is that the Small Pox Vaccine is a “vaccine”, not a genetic experiment.

      For the record, I do not accept that the government can “mandate” to the citizen’s from who its powers originate any en mass healthcare procedure or prophylaxis. And, “typhoid Mary’s” civil rights were likely violated.

    Idonttweet in reply to Colonel Travis. | September 9, 2021 at 9:50 pm

    It wasn’t too many weeks ago that the director of the CDC was telling us that previously vaccinated people were not only not protected against getting the virus, but were actually at increased risk of severe infection from the virus the vaccine was supposed to protect against. To top it all off, they’re super-spreaders, to boot. Essentially, they told us it DOESN’T BLOODY WORK. And now, these idiots are going to mandate that everybody gets it?!?!

    @colonel Travis

    What exactly are you complaining about. Let’s have some facts shall we. We know the vaccine works, has high efficacy , and a low amount of side effects from both a commonality and severity perspective. We also know that most cases of covid are now amongst those who are unvaccinated and that they are obstinate not for good reasons but overwhelmingly bad ones. Those individuals are perfectly free to isolate themselves and act like selfish fools but the remainder of the population want to be able to move on from covid and fundamentally that means vaccination for the vast majority of the population. That’s especially true with the delta variant since hospitalisations of kids has now become a substantial percentage of the covId case load.

    Joe Biden has always been dumb and a BULLY! He’s always threatened and does it WITH SUCH ARROGANCE. SEE HOW PROUD HE SAID HE WOULD WITHHOLD 1B FROM UKRAINE IF MINISTER DIDN’T DO WHAT JOE SAID THEM HE LAUGHED ABOUT IT ON AIR TELEVISED! VERY FEW LISTENED, SOME OF US KNEW HE WOULD BE A DICTATOR BULLY! NOW WHAT HAVE WE GOT; A HITERLIZEDBIDEN, Biden is a SOCIOPATH he can murder without conscience, he’s another Hermann Goeth and we are his everyday victims! This has now become the fence around us not for our protection but for his kicks in controlling us! I’M AFRAID FOR US WHAT SHALL WE DO AND WHEN!

“In 2006, the great epidemiologist Donald Henderson warned that if government pursued coercive measures to control a virus, the result would be a ‘loss of confidence in government to manage the crisis.’ The reason is that the measures do not work. Further, the attempt to make them work turns a manageable crisis into a catastrophe. Prophetic.” ~Jeffrey Tucker

I wonder if people will ever say no to tyranny. Enough people to matter.

Remove indemnification protection from everyone involved first.
If this shot is so good for you, no one demanding it or administering it should need legal protection.

Brave Sir Robbin | September 9, 2021 at 5:25 pm

I wonder if the mandate for employers with over 100 employees is even legal. Personally, I have not considered it until now.

    henrybowman in reply to Brave Sir Robbin. | September 9, 2021 at 5:38 pm

    The President, and indeed, the entire federal government, lacks any such authority.
    Just say NO.
    “F**k Joe Biden (boom, boom, boomboomboom)!”

      Brave Sir Robbin in reply to henrybowman. | September 9, 2021 at 5:48 pm

      “The President, and indeed, the entire federal government, lacks any such authority..”

      OK, then, develop that thought. Why?

        I am not of the lawyery persuasion so legal hawks jump in with any correction. You asked why the lack of authority. There may be authority but it is not authority by fiat. There are procedural issues. In fact there is a huge honking book called the CFR where proposed rules are published and await public comment before they can be approved or let to fester for future nimrods. There is also the fact that rules are the method and means by which legislation is brought into practice. I am not aware of any law regarding vaccine mandates is enacted. If by chance that hitch can be by passed we have the very real threat of persons being deprived of their liberty,and money without due process. Is that still frowned upon? If memory serves I believe it takes a law (not just a rule) to do such because persons need a means by which to argue their defense in court. Not just before an administrative law judge.
        I think that is how it works.

          Brave Sir Robbin in reply to JRaeL. | September 10, 2021 at 9:43 am

          You make a great number of very good points. The initial argument against this mandate could be procedural, that is, that the administration failed to follow required rule making procedures.

          The government will respond they have emergency powers that allows them to dispense with these procedural requirements to create federal regulations.

          gran2ten in reply to JRaeL. | September 10, 2021 at 7:05 pm


        The simple answer is that they cannot arbitrarily single out COVID-19.

        If they mandate vaccinations, they have to mandate ALL vaccinations, or have a specific, written criteria that is applied to determine whether each vaccine is mandated or not.

        Simply mandating COVID alone will never pass legal muster when there are literally dozens of far more deadly and infections diseases whose vaccines are NOT mandated.

          JRaeL in reply to Olinser. | September 9, 2021 at 8:42 pm

          There is one way for freedom to be regained from the COVID tyrants. Declare COVID19 an STD.

          gran2ten in reply to Olinser. | September 10, 2021 at 7:12 pm


        One simple question. Where in the US Constitution does it empower the federal government to make such a mandate? Yes, I know the courts have eradicated the 10th Amendment, and warped the commerce clause to something it was never meant to be, but this has to stop somewhere.

          gran2ten in reply to Mike Thiac. | September 10, 2021 at 7:20 pm

          Ask yourself, how much does any dictator care about constitutional law or any lws?This is now Biden’s kingdom, he will do whatever it takes to make us play by his dictates/rules, he’s talking like a king, he acts like a king, he makes mandates like a king, HE’S AN ANGRY KING OVER HIS KINGDOM WITH ALL HIS SOVEREIGN POWER!

        Why does he have no such authority, or why do I think he has no such authority?

        My Congressman seems to agree with my assessment.

        PRESCOTT, AZ – Representative Paul A. Gosar, D.D.S. (AZ-04) issued the following statement in response to Mr. Biden’s plan to mandate COVID-19 vaccines for millions of Americans.

        “There is no law authorized by Congress, and no Constitutional provision, that conveys the power to the presidency to force any citizen to undergo a medical procedure against their will.

        Mr. Biden’s decision mandating that Americans take a COVID-19 vaccine is illegal, unconstitutional and a deprivation of individual liberty.

        The decision to get a vaccine is a private choice best made between an individual and their doctor. There is nothing more anti-science and arbitrary than mandating vaccines, especially for people who have already had COVID-19. No one should be forced to get a vaccine. This is radical government overreach,” concluded Congressman Gosar.

    Questions that come to mind… Can employees of small businesses sue employers who try to force them to get vaccinated and who fire them if they refuse. How many small businesses have the resources to defend themselves if sued? How many small businesses will close up shop to avoid any legal issues?

      Brave Sir Robbin in reply to JHogan. | September 9, 2021 at 6:35 pm

      Question: Can employees who are mandated to get a vaccine, and are harmed by that vaccine, sue their employer for that harm?

      Milhouse in reply to JHogan. | September 9, 2021 at 7:12 pm


      Can employees of small businesses sue employers who try to force them to get vaccinated and who fire them if they refuse.

      No. Not unless they have a contract that says otherwise. Normally an employer, small or large, can make whatever rules he likes, and in any case doesn’t even need a reason to fire someone. “I don’t want to employ you any more” is enough, so a fortiori “You didn’t obey my rules” is definitely enough.

      The issue here is employers who don’t want to impose such a rule. They like their employees, and don’t care whether they’re vaccinated. If they’re big enough to come under OSHA regulation, they will now be required to impose one anyway, and to fire valued employees who refuse. That would be legal if a workplace without a vaccine mandate were actually unsafe. But calling it unsafe doesn’t make it so, so I doubt it would withstand a court’s scrutiny.

      gran2ten in reply to JHogan. | September 10, 2021 at 7:22 pm

      Laws are being thrown out the white house windows by the King of the Hill! He gives not one damn for laws or constitution of any kind sooner we recognize who he really is the sooner maybe we can stop his MADNESS

    Superficially it’s legal. Employers are required to provide a safe workplace, and large employers are subject to OSHA regulation to make sure they do. So Biden is having OSHA declare that a workplace without a vaccine mandate is inherently unsafe, just as if the exits were chained shut or the air were full of asbestos, and viola, it can require every workplace it regulates to mandate vaccines.

    Except that I doubt that will actually wash with a court, if it gets before one. If a covered employer challenges the new declaration in court, I expect the court would want to know the actual degree of risk to vaccinated employees from the presence of unvaccinated ones, and then demand that OSHA justify its ukase. And saying “The president ordered us” won’t cut it.

      There’s also the issue of rule-making laws – he can’t simply declare it without comment periods and such.

        TX-rifraph in reply to GWB. | September 10, 2021 at 7:36 am

        He effectively can if the sheep comply. The Democrats are about power not authority. The law is a weapon to be used against targeted subjects. They are simply applying the tactics of Mao. They are seeing how far they can go fast.

          gran2ten in reply to TX-rifraph. | September 10, 2021 at 7:24 pm

          Your one of the few on here who seem to see the sheep are his weapon against us. Laws are being thrown out the white house windows by the King of the Hill! He gives not one damn for laws or constitution of any kind sooner we recognize who he really is the sooner maybe we can stop his MADNESS

      Couldn’t it be justified in court as a protection of other unvaccinated employees and unvaccinated people of other companies that a company’s employees have contact with in the normal course of business?

        gran2ten in reply to jb4. | September 10, 2021 at 7:27 pm

        Joe+Congress+supreme court et al, Here’s the issue, he’s boldly mandating behavior, using the SILENCE OF THE COURTS+CONGRESS to obtain compliance. If he’s so bold don’t you think he’s bold enough to use executive powers to subvert the courts/judges are in his pocket, it’s a Hitler tactic.

    Where the hell is the GOP? Aside from a double handful of governors, I’m not seeing any reaction from GOP legislators to Biden’s open disdain for Americans, American freedom, and indeed our Constitutional Republic.

      Brave Sir Robbin in reply to Idonttweet. | September 10, 2021 at 9:49 am

      “Where the hell is the GOP?”

      Who knows. They are banned from Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, Amazon, CBS, NBC, ABC, NPR, CNN, MSNBC, the NYT, the LAT, etc., etc. Therefore, their avenue for outreach is rather narrow, to be fair.

      gran2ten in reply to Idonttweet. | September 10, 2021 at 10:02 pm

      GOP HAVE FAILED! They are a syndicate they protect each other, it’s a conjoined party with the same purpose $$$$. You’re so right, Biden displayed a great disdain for America, Constitution, courts, laws. I believe he’s capable of burning the house down to punish Americans for NOT SUBMITTING WILLINGLY TO HIS DEMANDS. These are irrational mandates instead are DICTATES FROM A DICTATOR

Given that those at greatest risk are over 60, this will be a triple fail.

1- Minimum wage workers hold all the power. Fire them. There’s another job waiting if they want it… good luck backfilling that position (Walmart, Amazon warehouse)
2- Anyone who is not under the jackboot of the large employer will still say no.
3- Those between 20-60 living under the jackboot of a large employer were never “at risk,” so you’ve solved zero problems with the thuggery.

How exactly are they going to govern this mandate shit show?

    The Friendly Grizzly in reply to Andy. | September 9, 2021 at 6:26 pm

    “How exactly are they going to govern this mandate shit show?”

    Yet still another further different government agency.

      No, it will be OSHA, which is an existing agency (though it shouldn’t be)

        OSHA isn’t resourced to do this.

          GWB in reply to Andy. | September 9, 2021 at 8:13 pm

          Was OSHA one of the agencies stocking up on ammo during the 0bama years?

          Milhouse in reply to Andy. | September 9, 2021 at 8:25 pm

          There weren’t any agencies stocking up on ammo during the 0bama years. Several agencies invited bids for contracts for a very long period, because the federal contracting process is so expensive and complicated that it’s not worth doing each time an agency wants a small batch of something. So you bid once and get a contract for 20 years’ worth, to be ordered as needed. They do the same thing with paper clips and every other kind of supply.

          Milhouse in reply to Andy. | September 9, 2021 at 8:29 pm

          OSHA isn’t resourced to do this.

          Sure it is. How many resources do you think it takes? All they have to do is issue the rule that a workplace with unvaccinated workers is unsafe, and send a letter to all covered employers informing them of it. Then if someone reports a workplace that hasn’t imposed a mandate, look into it and issue them a fine. How many such reports do you think they’ll get? Not many. Most employers will either comply without cavil, or challenge it in court, which means the resources to defend it come from a different budget.

          henrybowman in reply to Andy. | September 9, 2021 at 10:58 pm

          “There weren’t any agencies stocking up on ammo during the 0bama years.”
          Forbes suggests you’re wrong.

          Andy in reply to Andy. | September 10, 2021 at 12:22 am


          You could write the same paragraph for getting American’s out of Afghanistan. However Joe Biden is first place in the Special Olympics of failure for doing anything.

          Milhouse in reply to Andy. | September 12, 2021 at 3:18 am

          Henrybowman, did you read the article you linked to? It says “non-law-enforcement” agencies only spent $20M. That doesn’t sound like “stocking up” to me. Especially since that includes what are actually law enforcement, such as IRS special agents and VA police. The fact that an agency is “non-military” isn’t really relevant. Neither the FBI nor the Secret Service are military.

          The article also didn’t fill me with confidence when I saw it complain that hollow-point bullets are banned by the Geneva Convention, as if that had anything to do with the subject. As I’m sure you and most people here know, hollow points are often the safest option to use in domestic situations, where there are innocent bystanders behind your target.

    Lucifer Morningstar in reply to Andy. | September 9, 2021 at 7:39 pm

    How exactly are they going to govern this mandate shit show?

    I am more than sure the federal government will establish a website and a telephone service where an employee can anonymously report their employer for non-compliance with the Biden regime dictates.

    And I’m sure there are enough liberal snowflakes out there that would use such a website/number against their employers.

      Hello, OSHA? I’d like to report that Amazon is not in compliance with the vaccine mandate. Thank you.

      Repeat this 1000x for every business and see how well enforcement works then.

        henrybowman in reply to markymark. | September 10, 2021 at 10:25 pm

        I learned as a callow graduate how well OSHA works. My first posting was in the Pentagon, in a basement office that shared an outside wall with the bus tunnel. At 4:30 PM, the buses would sit in the tunnel and idle while people loaded, and the office would fill up with diesel fumes. Called OSHA to file a complaint. When they heard the location was the Pentagon, their response was, “Oh!… we can’t tell them what to do!”

        Coincidentally, this was the very same response I got from SSA when I asked them whether FICA should be being deducted from my student paycheck from the college.

        Laws and regulations operate only against us, never them.

      Brave Sir Robbin in reply to Lucifer Morningstar. | September 10, 2021 at 9:52 am

      They can also offer rewards for valid tips on non-compliance to encourage reporting.

    randian in reply to Andy. | September 9, 2021 at 11:59 pm

    “you’ve solved zero problems with the thuggery”

    It’s about naked thuggery, not solving problems. Too many people are saying no, and that’s not acceptable.

Watching this begging and threats, he has 0 credibility

This is supposed to come down in 75 days. Isn’t that before the “fully approved” Pfizer vaccine Comirnaty is available. So, the current Pfizer drug and none of the other shots are fully FDA approved.
Can the Nuremberg code be used here?

How is this legal anyway?

    Martin in reply to lc. | September 9, 2021 at 5:36 pm

    There is zero chance that the FDA will not approve them. If they had proof that it would outright kill 50% of the people who took it after 2 years they would still approve it. If they don’t they would look bad and there is no where in the world that cares more about saving face than a government bureaucracy.

    buck61 in reply to lc. | September 9, 2021 at 6:36 pm

    by then there will be three or four new variants and none of the original jabs will be effective

      The Friendly Grizzly in reply to buck61. | September 9, 2021 at 7:00 pm

      None of them seem to be now. The US government agencies enjoy zero credibility with me. Israel’s do. And if THEY seem to be recognizing that the mNRA stuff is useless, and that herd immunity is the way to go, then, I say herd immunity is the way to go.

    Milhouse in reply to lc. | September 9, 2021 at 8:38 pm

    Can the Nuremberg code be used here?


    First of all, the Nuremberg code is an ethical statement, not a law. It’s nothing but a widely held opinion. If some doctor were to choose to ignore it, it would be up to the relevant licensing board to take any action within its power, if it thought fit.

    Second, this is not a medical experiment. Whether the FDA approves the vaccine has nothing to do with that. The definition of an experiment is that you’re doing it to find out what happens, not for the patient’s benefit. That is not what is happening here.

      alaskabob in reply to Milhouse. | September 9, 2021 at 9:30 pm

      Actually wanted to down vote on all those agencies with their “private” paramiliary forces much like the Soviet Union.

      As for “experiment”…. considering prior animal studies were failures… I could offer that all of this is really still an experiment. Hence the emergency “approval”. No long term risks are still not there. Also… are we really sure this is for the patient’s benefit?

      caseoftheblues in reply to Milhouse. | September 9, 2021 at 11:37 pm

      I beg to differ….it absolutely IS still an experiment and the data is showing it is NOT for the benefit of those being given the shot. THAT is what is happening here. Use your head man….Covid kills less than 1% …way less than 1% for the vast majority and they are willing to burn down this country to get that shot in your arm.

Is this Constitutional? Can it be challenged on that basis?

Not that it matters anymore.

    geronl in reply to JHogan. | September 9, 2021 at 5:56 pm

    This is not Constitutional. The President does not have this kind of power.

      Milhouse in reply to geronl. | September 9, 2021 at 7:40 pm

      Actually he does — sort of. Congress has authorized OSHA to make regulations to ensure safe workplaces. And OSHA works for the president, so he can give it orders. If he orders it to declare that it’s unsafe to work in an space where the walls are painted green, it has to do so; but that declaration would immediately be challenged in court because it’s patently untrue. And that’s what will happen if any covered employer chooses to challenge this new rule. But it may be that they’ll all choose to accept it; many of them would love to require vaccines, so long as all their competitors do the same, so they’d welcome a rule forcing them and their competitors to do so.

        CommoChief in reply to Milhouse. | September 9, 2021 at 10:22 pm

        Agreed. Plenty of employers will welcome the cover this provides. ‘ Gosh, OSHA is making us, we can’t fight the federal government’. As long as their competitors and alternative employers institute this without a fight an employee who doesn’t want a vax has very limited options.

        I suspect that those who feel strongly will transition to small business employment, independent/gig/freelance or start a small business to replace the millions destroyed by the Rona regime lock downs.

        There are some very talented, capable employees who have the capital and savvy to jump off the corporate train. This could be the impetus they need to spark a revival of small businesses investment and entrepreneurship.

        caseoftheblues in reply to Milhouse. | September 9, 2021 at 11:41 pm

        Nonsense…now you lawyers are going to turn OSHA into a fascist power grab the same way you did with the Commerce clause

    Andy in reply to JHogan. | September 9, 2021 at 7:32 pm

    So the 14k per incident fine…. the supreme court had a little thing to say about fines. It’s the reason why Seattle can’t impound rolling drug dens.

      Milhouse in reply to Andy. | September 9, 2021 at 8:48 pm


      So the 14k per incident fine…. the supreme court had a little thing to say about fines. It’s the reason why Seattle can’t impound rolling drug dens.

      Huh? Which supreme court decision are you referring to?

      Seattle can’t arrest anyone for drug possession because the state supreme court struck down that law. Nothing to do with SCOTUS or with fines.

      The only recent SCOTUS decision I’m aware of about fines was that the excessive fines clause is incorporated into the 14th amendment. How is that relevant here? (1) the fine is not excessive, and (2) OSHA is a federal agency so the 8th applies directly.

        SCOTUS ruled fines could not be assessed w/out consideration of the ability to pay.

        Wa courts have used this to stop the impounding of rolling drug dens and also to stop the suspension of drivers licenses- because- (and the judge from my shit hole county made the ruling) the DMV has to take into consideration the fined subjects ability to pay. Granted that does not bind the federal government to such rules- but if it doesn’t this will hopefully has some impact on the idiots using the law this way. But what the hell, laws don’t matter in Wa.

        What will play out is Walmart and a lot of other minimum wage employers are fucked.

“May God protect our troops, because I sure as hell won’t!”
–President Joe Biden

    caseoftheblues in reply to Martin. | September 10, 2021 at 6:56 am

    Good lord….when you read Milhouse comments you get to see laid bare how the lawyers are at the very core of the rot in this country…you see how they think and justify our slide into a totalitarian state…
    There is zero understanding, respect or even caring about what the founding fathers meant or intended…it’s all about where that comma is placed or does it say “shall” or “may” and what the guy paying their bills wants them to argue the meaning of

Just listened to Joe. Good grief, what an asshole.

“If these governors won’t help us beat the pandemic, I’ll use my power as president to get them out of the way”

Just how?

Truly, a dreadful speech on any particular you would care to assess: Science, infection-control, public health policy, rule-making.

    I assume he will send some kind of Federal officers to arrest them.
    The question is will they go, (Yes). The next question is will the state allow it (Depends).

    This would make those governors political prisoners.

    Of course as far as I can tell the first real political prisoner in the US happened when this doofus’s old boss (current boss?) locked up Nakoula Basseley Nakoula who was imprisoned for the film they blamed Benghazi on. So why not up the ante.

    Of course there are also many of the people still being held without bail for Jan 6th.
    Many who did nothing violent and all who are not flight risks. So political prisoners are common under democrat administrations.

    If you actually kill people for your Marxist beliefs and they bother to convict you, some democrat will eventually pardon you.

      gonzotx in reply to Martin. | September 9, 2021 at 6:22 pm


      gonzotx in reply to Martin. | September 9, 2021 at 6:23 pm

      Abbott will surrender but DeSantis will not

        randian in reply to gonzotx. | September 10, 2021 at 12:05 am

        “Abbott will surrender but DeSantis will not”

        DeSantis doesn’t need to surrender, his state already allows what Biden is mandating. Florida doesn’t forbid mandatory vaccination by employers, it only forbids proving it to enter businesses.

      geronl in reply to Martin. | September 9, 2021 at 6:54 pm

      State governments need to prepare to arrest or deter the feds. Like when the Democrat Governor of Utah in the early 80’s send the state cops to turn the Dept of Energy trucks around when they came to drill a test shaft preparing for storing nuclear waste.

      Milhouse in reply to Martin. | September 9, 2021 at 7:50 pm

      Of course as far as I can tell the first real political prisoner in the US happened when this doofus’s old boss (current boss?) locked up Nakoula Basseley Nakoula who was imprisoned for the film they blamed Benghazi on. So why not up the ante.

      That fellow was not a political prisoner. He was a convicted criminal who had violated the terms of his parole. Once that came to the feds’ attention they had to rearrest him. The only political aspect was how they found out about his crime in the first place. If you think that makes him a political prisoner then the USA has had political prisoners since the Washington administration.

        gonzotx in reply to Milhouse. | September 9, 2021 at 8:54 pm

        They had too? Don’t make me laugh

        Show me a man and I will show you the crime


        Martin in reply to Milhouse. | September 9, 2021 at 11:44 pm

        Yeah, I heard that explanation at the time. I’m sure it’s true to some extent but they didn’t have to put him in prison, They did it because they wanted to and it helped sell the BS they were selling.

      Milhouse in reply to Martin. | September 9, 2021 at 7:57 pm


      I assume he will send some kind of Federal officers to arrest them.

      That’s a really stupid and unrealistic assumption.

    He does not have that power.

      gonzotx in reply to geronl. | September 9, 2021 at 8:54 pm

      He doesn’t care

      Olinser in reply to geronl. | September 10, 2021 at 3:47 am

      He has the power to do whatever the hell he’s not stopped from doing.

      And with the current crop of RINO trash, I’m not confident that he WILL be stopped.

        Dathurtz in reply to Olinser. | September 10, 2021 at 6:00 am

        Bingo! People here arguing over constitutional authority or the courts are starting to crack me up.

        Don’t y’all understand what has happened? We haven’t been bound by the constitution for a long time.

          CorkyAgain in reply to Dathurtz. | September 10, 2021 at 11:54 am

          This is a site run by a law professor and read by lawyers. Arguing over the meaning and use of the text is what they do.

          But you’re not wrong.

    I’ll use my power as president to get [these governors] out of the way
    Wow, that is absolutely a dictatorial statement, and definitely in violation of the Constitution.
    Can we start something now?

I notice that this only applies to working Americans. People on food stamps and welfare are apparently exempt. And how many illegals are working in this country who will not get vaccinated? His vaccination plan is about as well thought out as his withdrawal from Afghanistan.

Flatline has forgotten more about the Constitution, separation of powers, and the rule of law than he ever knew.

My own first impulse was to go out to my tack shed and polish my own six prongs.
Then I thought, why bother to clean them?

It seemed like a good speech to me. None of it works and it’s probably illegal but good job.

Sending zillions of Pfizer vaccines to shithole countries perhaps is the wrong choice, given that it has to be kept at absolute zero, whereas Moderna only has to be refrigerated.

Apparently you can get delta even if vaccinated, so vaccination won’t slow delta spread. Presumably it slows hospitalization though.

Biden has no such power to do this

    Martin in reply to geronl. | September 9, 2021 at 6:09 pm

    Many companies that are not already requiring this want this order as a reason to do it.

    Don’t throw me into the briar patch. — Brother Rabbit

      geronl in reply to Martin. | September 9, 2021 at 6:52 pm

      and I hope half their employees quit

        The Friendly Grizzly in reply to geronl. | September 9, 2021 at 7:22 pm

        Or, more. Or, the select few that keep a company going. It is not always the corner office people; it is often one who is looked upon as being little more than a Worker Bee, but who, in fact, keeps the office running smoothly.

        Andy in reply to geronl. | September 9, 2021 at 7:35 pm

        Irony: minimum wage workers hold all the power here.

        How do you feel about massive shortages of goods in the stores? How do you feel about no meat in the stores? How do you feel about no people stocking groceries in stores? Sysco is already throttling their customers because of labor shortages.

        Milhouse in reply to geronl. | September 9, 2021 at 8:04 pm

        That’s the point of making it a legal mandate. The only reason these companies haven’t already imposed a vaccine mandate is the fear that too many employees would quit and go work for a competitor who didn’t. A government mandate levels the field; everyone has to require vaccinations, so unhappy employees have nowhere to go.

      henrybowman in reply to Martin. | September 9, 2021 at 7:40 pm

      That’s certainly been the case behind the “no carry in restaurants that serve liquor” rule in many states. Check behind the curtain, and you’ll see restaurant lobbyists there. They want to ban guns, but they don’t want it to be “their fault,” and they don’t want a competitor to be able to say “come on down, you can eat here!”

The consensus among legal experts that I have listed to is this order by the Biden* junta is not Constitutional.

Maybe so. But I’ll bet there is a Federal judge or two willing to rule the way the junta wants them to rule.

    It looks like the strategy is to take away people’s rights quickly, knowing that courts will only return them slowly, if at all. As for anyone’s oath to uphold the Constitution – kiss that goodbye.

      henrybowman in reply to billdyszel. | September 9, 2021 at 11:06 pm

      Yes. This worked so well for the EPA’s unconstitutional coal-scrubber rule. The companies scrambled to install the expensive equipment to avoid fines, and by the time the court finally called shenanigans, there was already 100% compliance.

    The Friendly Grizzly in reply to Recovering Lutheran. | September 9, 2021 at 6:32 pm

    Then, it is time to take judges like this out of the picture.

    It doesn’t matter what’s legal or constitutional. We already know it isn’t.

    But the Supreme Court is going to HAVE to rule on this issue – and they SHOULD HAVE already done it months ago when this bullshit started. They cannot possibly dodge it anymore.

    So we’ll be stuck with whatever the Supreme Court decides to rule. And to be blunt I have not a lot of confidence in this court.

    “It’s a tax!”
    — John Roberts

If I had 103 employees, I’d find 4 who voted for Biden and fire their asses ASAP.

    Martin in reply to Sanddog. | September 9, 2021 at 6:10 pm

    I would form two companies and contract between them for various services.

      The Friendly Grizzly in reply to Martin. | September 9, 2021 at 6:34 pm

      I see a lot of that happening, with a lot of “shell” owners. Wives owning one, the husband the other. Or, get cousins to do it.

      How about children? Do they need emancipating before they can legally own something when under 18/21?

    UserP in reply to Sanddog. | September 9, 2021 at 6:12 pm

    You’d be surprised how many companies will now opt to have 99 employees before spinning off a subsidiary, hiring work out to sub- contractors or some other ploy to get around this.

      Martin in reply to UserP. | September 9, 2021 at 6:21 pm

      There are already a fair number structured this way due to other regulations that kick in at various numbers like 25, 50 and 100

    4 of them are suddenly 1099 contractors.

    gospace in reply to Sanddog. | September 9, 2021 at 7:52 pm

    An owner of a pizza chain in NY who was steadily expanding sold off several of his franchises to the people running them after a mandate hit on minimum wage and number of employees…

    He could have just closed them, but is a genuinely nice guy.

The Friendly Grizzly | September 9, 2021 at 6:15 pm

“Biden continues to blame Covid on Ron DeSantis”

A doctor I saw earlier today was going on and on about 12 teachers dying in Florida the first week of the school year, and that DeSantis won’t make a move because Trump lives in Florida and is calling the shots blah blah blah.

Meanwhile, the Republicans are doing…..what?

I am a federal employee (civilian DoD) and do NOT want the jab. I love my job and have worked hard to get to where I am to include 6-month tour in AFG. Do I now have to choose between my job and the jab? This cannot be legal. How to defend against this over reach?

    The Friendly Grizzly in reply to TheGoonsDad. | September 9, 2021 at 6:36 pm

    Talk it over with your union rep.

    theduchessofkitty in reply to TheGoonsDad. | September 9, 2021 at 7:31 pm

    Get an attorney and discuss your options.

    In your case I would not be too worried, It takes years to fire a federal worker for cause. Also remember that the approved vaccine is not available and the one’s that are available have emergency use authorizations. Under federal law you can not be made to take an drug that is not been received full approval..

    Grey_Man in reply to TheGoonsDad. | September 9, 2021 at 8:02 pm

    You have a sincerely held religious belief. A reasonable accommodation must be made.

    Milhouse in reply to TheGoonsDad. | September 9, 2021 at 8:17 pm

    It’s certainly legal, unless you have a contract that says otherwise. You’re Biden’s employee; you work for the executive branch of the US government, and the constitution says Biden is that branch. So yes, you must choose between your job and your preference not to follow his rules, just like any other employer.

      NormPeterson in reply to Milhouse. | September 9, 2021 at 9:43 pm

      The Constitution does not allow the president to be the healthcare decision maker and doctor for federal workers

      geronl in reply to Milhouse. | September 9, 2021 at 11:03 pm

      No. It’s is not “legal unless the contract says otherwise”. That is a ridiculous standard. I guess Joe Biden can decide that all federal workers must be painted blue too. No, it is not legal unless the contract specifically allows it.

        Brave Sir Robbin in reply to geronl. | September 10, 2021 at 10:11 am

        In addition, in theory anyway, the president must abide by all law and regulations imposed upon him. He may not exercise his powers in an arbitrary fashion, so there are limits on what he may mandate for his employees.

        Discovery of these limits is often a subject of litigation.

    Fredlike in reply to TheGoonsDad. | September 9, 2021 at 10:23 pm has some information on attorney letters and such that could be sent or help in talking to companies. I do not think much would apply directly to the Feds. You will need to exhaust your adminstrative remedies then sue if that fails. I think the feds went with much more limited exceptions than they used to have do do the low response rates on the current certification of vaccination method. Got a note from the boss today that only 40% of the employees had even bothered to access the web page. Have a choice of yes, no, partially, do not want to answer. Partial, no and no answer would required testing to be on site. Of course most people are working from home and the testing was only for on-site personnel. If we ever start having more on-site the level of testing required would be huge. I personally would recommend anyone over 30, without a specific reason not to, to get the jab, but I also think since it only provides protection for the person getting vaccinated and appears to do little to stop the spread there is no reason to mandate it. I will leave the legalities of the new orders to others.

Meanwhile …. where are the Republicans? Talk about a dead silence!

    The Friendly Grizzly in reply to Recovering Lutheran. | September 9, 2021 at 6:37 pm

    Thus my remark in another thread about this being the time where a new party may be viable. I will wait patiently for the usual downticks. I don’t mind.

      The problem comes in ensuring the new party doesn’t degrade into the current party. No one has been able to solve that. Trump solved it by ignoring his own party when possible.

    Hiding under their desks hoping they don’t have to take a position or lose corporate donations over their silence.

    Most of the GOPe agrees with Biden on this. So they say nothing, Because they know their voters don’t support their position.

    Same with the vendetta and inquisition the regime has launched against Jan 6 protesters and ‘white supremacists’.

      geronl in reply to JHogan. | September 9, 2021 at 11:01 pm

      This is why we have 100 or however many unconstitutional federal programs that are administered by the states bribed with our money. States SHOULD say no and refuse.

If nothing else, I expect the “F Joe Biden” chants to spread like wildfire across the country.

    theduchessofkitty in reply to UJ. | September 9, 2021 at 7:32 pm

    I’ll be keeping track of any chants happening over the next few weeks.

    As Senator Rand Paul said, “They can’t arrest us all.”

This whole mess started with an unlawful election that SCOTUS won’t hear

Just when you think he could not screw up any more that Afghanistan, Biden does so while the paint is still wet. He, and his best and brightest, are dim.

AF_Chief_Master_Sgt | September 9, 2021 at 7:45 pm


USPS employees are exempt from the mandate.

How does does Führer Biden justify that? Will any ‘journalist’ dare ask? Will the regime answer if asked?

    CommoChief in reply to JHogan. | September 9, 2021 at 8:47 pm

    USPS among others. Psaki stated that there isn’t a single unified system among the Executive branch agencies to provide proof or attest to vax. Each is doing it’s own thing.

    This whole vax regime announced today is laughable. Does the executive have authority under emergency powers? Sure. However, first there must be a sudden, unexpected event that is transitory and limited in duration; an emergency.

    An endemic virus that has surfaced and circulated for 18 to 20 months with several mutations developing which still presents a survival rate of over 99% does not constitute an emergency.

    Even if it did, invoking emergency powers isn’t a game of ‘Simon Says’. The actions proposed by the executive must be based upon data. Opinion, even expert opinion, doesn’t cut it by itself past the initial few weeks.

    The Biden admin is going to get dragged through the CT system. They will have to explain why the USPS workers are exempt when they wish to impose this on private employers. Next, what is magic about 100 workers in relation to the virus? Why 100? Is that 100 in a single location? What if they are disbursed in more than one place? How does teleworking fit in?

    Many ways to destroy this farce in CT. Oh, and be sure to preserve all communication among and within the Fed govt, private sector businesses, unions, academics for review by Plaintiff before the depositions.

      What’s 1% of the population commochief. About 3.2 million people. That’s a hell of a lot of dead Americans. The US has started major conflicts over far far less so why exactly are you complaining about an FDA approved vaccine and face masks.

    USPS is heavily Black, which is ne of the largest unvaccinated groups and a key Democratic Party supporter. Lots of inconsistencies here and with other parts of the speech.

Larry Elder — what a class act!
Biden blames Trump for his own shortcomings; while Elder blames Newsom for the crimes others commit against him.

Yesterday’s attack in Venice Beach merely revealed the frustration, anger and the unhappiness with Governor Gavin Newsom‘s failure to deal with homelessness. Homeless people are not only a danger to others in the homeless population, but also to nearby residents, families, children and schools.

“In Biden’s America, American citizens who make a personal medical decision that Joe disagrees with are talked down too, segregated from society & not allowed to provide for their families, but all of unvaccinated illegals coming across the border are welcomed with open arms!!!”

— Donald Trump Jr

Aw, come on, man! Joe will change direction on this as soon as Afghanistan blows over……or someone finally rats him out.

Many federal programs are unconstitutional and have to be administered by the states who are then bribed with our own money. It is high time that states say no more.

Biden needs to die from COVID. If you catch a really good, vaccine escaping strain, find a way to pass it to him.

I thought Clinton was bad. I thought Obama was bad. There were many thing GW Bush did that I disagreed with but man Joe has put himself into an entirely different category of awful. I have never felt this pessimistic about the prospects of the future of the US.

Which employer is going to step up against this? Most every large employer has already gone all-in on mandatory mask, test, and vax.

A vaccine was approved, but there is none in stock. In addition, Pfizer isn’t making it, and they probably won’t do so until they get immunity.

The vaccine that is in stock is experimental, and the CDC says that it is “legally distinct” from the approved vaccine. It is against domestic and international law to force someone to be in a medical experiment. The laws were passed when the German government did this to Jews and others during WWII. Now, the US government is following the Nazi example.

Children’s Health Defense (CHD) is suing the CDC and FDA for not pulling the experimental stock when the vaccine is approved which is required by law. The law also says that the ingredients of the vaccine must be published which hasn’t been done. If you want, you can contribute to the CHD suit.

    20keto20 in reply to InEssence. | September 10, 2021 at 7:16 am

    If they won’t produce it until they are granted full immunity, that should tell the world everything they need to know. IF this “vaccine” is fully approved by the FDA and deemed safe, WHY do es Pfizer need immunity? Why should it be granted? Why should any sane person be forced-injected with something that has to be granted immunity from suit before production? This is insanity.
    I wonder how many of those willing to force these jabs on the populace ACTUALLY took the same jab that real people are taking. In less than a year, Countess Cackula went from “there’s no way I’m taking a vaccine that Donald Trump says to take” to appearing on tv taking a simulated jab. Next time (the “booster”, I want the magnet run down her arm after she takes the jab. Same for TaliBiden and Jilly and his grandchildren.

TaliBiden can talk a good game, but exactly how is he going to enforce mandatory vaccinations? Only licensed health care professionals can administer vaccines, and they can’t be given without patient consent.

States regulate health care professionals and their scope of practice, If the Feds start requiring vaccines and health care professionals refuse to give them without obtaining patient consent, that would create an even more massive problem that TaliBiden created tonight.

There are a core number of health care professionals who might acquiesce, but likely it would mean their licenses would be in jeopardy. And if your license is disciplined in one state—it is automatically disciplined in every other state where you are licensed.

thalesofmiletus | September 10, 2021 at 1:24 am

So far, 20 Governors have spoken out against this:

Kay Ivey -Alabama
Mike Dunleavy – Alaska
Asa Hutchinson – Arkansas
Spencer Cox – Utah
Doug Burgum – North Dakota
Kristi Noem – South Dakota
Brian Kemp – Georgia
Kevin Stitt – Oklahoma
Greg Abbott – Texas
Mark Gordon – Wyoming
Bill Lee – Tennessee
Henry McMaster – South Carolina
Pete Ricketts – Nebraska
Brad Little – Idaho
Kim Reynolds – Iowa
Mike Parson – Missouri
Doug Ducey – Arizona
Tate Reeves – Mississippi
Ron DeSantis – Florida
Greg Gianforte – Montana

    Funny, not seeing any of the 5 governors who ordered nursing homes to take Covid patients no questions asked?
    Wolf – Pennsylvania
    Murphy- New Jersey
    Whitmer – Mivchigan
    Cuomo – New York
    Newsome – California

Joe’s right. This isn’t about freedom. It’s about removing any and all references to freedom and about replacing them with Communism. It won’t be Reagan’s most feared words (I’m from the government and I’m here to help), it will be Biden’s words (from Biden’s lips via his handler’s mouth) saying I AM the government and I’m gonna tell you what you WILL DO or else!

ToolsforLiberty | September 10, 2021 at 8:02 am

And now it all makes sense. The reason for the hasty withdrawal from Afghanistan is because they knew they would need the military home to enforce this. He as much told us in his speech. What else could he have meant by stating he would use all the power at his disposal to force the governors into line?

I found this essay at Conservative Treehouse that puts this situation into what I think is a proper perspective. Food for thought, anyway-

Fat_Freddys_Cat | September 10, 2021 at 8:46 am

I wonder what the next steps will be if this doesn’t work. And I don’t think it will work.

Il Duce? No – more like Ill Douche.

Seems like a separation of powers issue to me. The executive is not allowed to create laws. I think he overstepped his bounds by dictating punitive measures. Only congress can make something a crime.

On the same day Biden goes full fascist dictator, Kamala Harris says this:

“When people are able to design their lives in a way that they can determine their own futures, we are a stronger democracy and we are a stronger nation. When people are able to make choices without government interference for themselves — in terms of their wellbeing and the wellbeing of their family, in consultation with whomever they may choose — we are a stronger society.”

The juxtaposition of Biden and Harris leaves me wondering if the Dems are hastily setting the stage for removing Biden “the Dictator” who has gone power mad, to install the more “reasonable and moderate” Harris, and project the image of concern for the people’s rights under the constitution?

Biden’s speech yesterday and his dictates could conceivably give the Dems cover to say “he’s gone mad” as if it were a recent development and not evident or serious last fall when they made him the nominee.

Will they throw Biden under the bus soon? Helluva pretext to do so now.

    There’s another advantage to the Dems if they use this as a pretext to remove Biden and install Harris; it takes the wind out of the AZ and other election audits, if only because removing the first black woman president will be RACIST and SEXIST. You can bet the Dems will amp that rhetoric to the 11’s.

      CommoChief in reply to MrE. | September 10, 2021 at 2:09 pm

      The audits, investigations, canvassing are not about any possibility of ‘swapping out’ DJT for Biden. That’s not going to happen.

      The audits are to take an in-depth examination of the the entire process from registration to final tabulation and everything in between. Once the actual or potential flaws/insecurities are identified they are to be eliminated or mitigated.

      IOW it’s about future elections not past elections.

        I suspect that will be the case as “the EC has spoken”. 2022 and 2024 will likely be a bloodbath with Dems, Rinos and never-trumpers held accountable for all this crap. At least, I hope so.

SeekingRationalThought | September 10, 2021 at 5:29 pm

I think you guys are being way too hard on senile Joe Bribe’m. He is all for individual liberty and freedom. Just so long as it doesn’t get in the way of his lust for power and his families corrupt greed. Joe is actually, the model “progressive,” willing to throw everyone and everyone over the cliff to make things better for himself.

Lucifer Morningstar | September 10, 2021 at 5:40 pm

What I’d like to know is that if these are going to be regulations promulgated through the FDA, OSHA, and the Dept. of Labor (and not real “laws” passed by Congress and signed by Biden) don’t they have to abide by the Administrative Procedures Act which states they must post any proposed new regulations for public comment for a year before they become binding and enforceable? (You know, for the same reason the FDA couldn’t simply ban menthol in cigarettes but had to post the new rules/regulations for a year so the public might comment on them before doing so.)