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Surgeon General Says FDA Vaccine Approval Likely Leads to More Mandates

Surgeon General Says FDA Vaccine Approval Likely Leads to More Mandates

Meanwhile, protests against vaccine mandates are occurring across the country.

US Surgeon General Vivek Murthy says that the FDA’s expected approval of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine will likely lead to more universities and businesses requiring immunizations for students and employees.

Speaking to Chris Wallace on “Fox News Sunday,” Murthy declined to confirm the federal Food and Drug Administration’s plan to formally OK the vaccine Monday — but said his hope is that a “full approval,” as opposed to its current “emergency” one, would push more Americans to get their shots.

“There are universities and businesses that have been considering putting in vaccine requirements in order to create a safer, a workplace, a learning environment,” Murthy added.

“I think this announcement from the FDA would likely encourage them and make them feel more comfortable in putting some requirements in place.”

The FDA granted Pfizer its full approval of its COVID vaccine on Monday.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) report that 170,821,621 people, representing 51.5% of the U.S. population are fully vaccinated against COVID-19 while at least 60.7% have received at least one dose.

Murthy on Sunday noted that this sample size has shown the vaccines are effective and that people should get vaccinated as soon as possible, regardless of the status of federal approval.

“I think what is important for us to realize is that we have had strong evidence from real world data that this vaccine has been doing remarkably well and has maintained a strong safety profile,” he said. “We have given it to hundreds of millions of people and we have seen that it’s doing its job.”

Meanwhile, protests against vaccine mandates are occurring across the country. For example, one in Washington state drew 150 people.

More than 150 people took to the sides of Highway 410 Wednesday evening in Buckley to protest recent vaccine mandates for state and healthcare workers in a “Rally for Medical Freedom.”

Amid honking cars and waves of support, protestors held signs reading “Vax Me If You Can” and “My Body My Choice.” They expressed a variety of opinions on the vaccine itself, but most agreed on one thing: It shouldn’t be mandated.

Hannah Kilcup, who organized the event, was already planning to protest Washington’s COVID-19 vaccine mandates when, hours before the rally began, the stakes became personal.

Gov. Jay Inslee, who a week earlier mandated vaccinations for most state employees and healthcare workers by Oct. 18, extended that requirement on Wednesday to teachers and staff, such as bus drivers and coaches, in K-12 and higher education, as well as many childcare providers. He’d been urged to do so a week before by the Office of Superintendent of Public Instruction (OSPI) head Chris Reykdal.

Kilcup, a library media teacher with the Enumclaw School District who lives in Buckley, is included under that mandate.

“I wasn’t surprised, and I’m not scared,” Kilcup said Wednesday. “I’ve been preparing for this. … I don’t want to speak for everybody, but I know that I don’t feel respected or valued by (Inslee) or (Reykdal) when we’re not allowed the choice. When I agreed to this job, that wasn’t part of the qualifications.”

There was also a protest in Bellingham, Washington as well.

In Bentonville, Arkansas, people lined up in front of the Walmart Home Office to protest the company’s COVID-19 vaccine mandate for employees.

In July, Walmart announced all Home Office workers and management staff members who travel within the U.S. will need to be vaccinated for COVID-19 by Oct. 4.

The vaccine will not be mandated for the company’s front-line workers because Walmart said those employees have a lower vaccination rate than managers.

Matthew Dickson, a Walmart employee, protested Sunday against his company’s mandate.

“It literally broke my heart. I was very distraught by that, to think that company I love and have worked for for many years would make me have to make a decision for whether or not I could provide for my family, or whether or not I would have to take a medical procedure,” Dickson said.

There was also a vaccine mandate protest in a little town in New York, where healthcare workers are now ordered to get the vaccine.

“Last year, when we held up all the nurses and doctors as heroes, they’re still heroes this year, they work through, and they did a great job with no vaccine. So if they still choose, they’re educated they choose not to get the vaccine I support their right to choose that to make that decision,“ said Rachel Kimble, Vaccine Mandate protester.


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Subotai Bahadur | August 23, 2021 at 5:09 pm

OK, they have given full approval to Pfizer vaccine.

1) does that end the limited liability if something goes wrong?
2) do those who got Moderna or J&J have to get vaxed again with Pfizer?

Subotai Bahadur

    caseoftheblues in reply to Subotai Bahadur. | August 23, 2021 at 6:15 pm

    My questions too, especially the first…hoping a knowledgeable legal type might chime in about that

    1) 100% no.
    2) I hope not, a double dose of migrating spike proteins will hurt a lot of people.

      caseoftheblues in reply to randian. | August 23, 2021 at 6:57 pm

      So with approval and since they are soooo safe…why the need for liability us that justified?

        Milhouse in reply to caseoftheblues. | August 23, 2021 at 9:53 pm

        Because the protection had nothing to do with it being unapproved. All “medical countermeasures against chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear agents of terrorism, epidemics, and pandemics” have the same protection. The reason is that without this protection manufacturers would refuse to hurry up and make the needed countermeasures and expose themselves to liability.

          Ironclaw in reply to Milhouse. | August 23, 2021 at 11:25 pm

          So they’re product is so safe they can’t put it on the market without a liability shield? Wow, that inspires confidence. But, then again, it’s also approved by a bunch of lying jackazzes at the FDA who are so morally damaged that they’re willing to work for a pedophile like Biden*.

          Milhouse in reply to Milhouse. | August 24, 2021 at 12:55 am

          Without the shield they can’t risk it. Anything could go wrong; how could they possibly be sure that it won’t? And if it does and they’re not protected they’re hosed. So it wouldn’t make sense to make the stuff in the first place. And we want them to, we need them to, so we have to give them this protection. The alternative is that nobody will ever make vaccines in an emergency.

          TX-rifraph in reply to Milhouse. | August 24, 2021 at 7:46 am

          But there is no evidence that they made a vaccine. It is a claim only. Evidence is suppressed, including ingredients and both potential and actual effects. And, wasn’t the definition of “vaccine” quietly changed?

          I assert that it is categorically irresponsible and unethical to transfer the liability exclusively to the person receiving the shot. The separation of knowledge and control from the liability is how one sets up disasters.

    JusticeDelivered in reply to Subotai Bahadur. | August 23, 2021 at 6:29 pm

    I am high risk, and chose J&J because the technology was better understood. With both we really do not have through testing. There may well be long term risks which are unknown at this time.

    For me using the vaccine is less risk than not, for young, heathy people, they are probably better off without the vaccine..

Buckley Wa is pretty small- but notably their school was one of the first on the west side of the state to open up this year.

It’s mostly Trump country as well.


In July, Walmart announced all Home Office workers and management staff members who travel within the U.S. will need to be vaccinated for COVID-19 by Oct. 4.
The vaccine will not be mandated for the company’s front-line workers because Walmart said those employees have a lower vaccination rate than managers.

This sounds exactly backwards.
Who’s in charge here?

    Doc-Wahala in reply to henrybowman. | August 23, 2021 at 6:42 pm

    Who is in charge? Upper management that looked at the numbers and realized they can’t fire the cashiers and stockers without basically having to shut the doors.

    They basically said as much.

      Subotai Bahadur in reply to Doc-Wahala. | August 23, 2021 at 7:03 pm

      Walmart, at least the one in our town, is in deep kimchee anyway. They cannot get stock, because the logistics chains are fubar. They get maybe half the number of trucks they used to per week. They were treating the staff like schiess, and the experienced ones are quitting because either of treatment, or because they are reducing hours of long time [and higher paid] staff till they cannot support themselves. They have a goal to get rid of all clerk run registers and go all self-serve, which means even fewer workers to pick up the slack. They are short staffed enough that when they do get stock in, they cannot get it on the shelves.

      A couple of years ago, before they made the decision not to bust people for shoplifting, I did store security part-time to supplement my retirement income. I quit when they would not let me stop thieves pushing cartloads of stolen goods out. However, I still know some of the staff. The old staff are mickle-upset at the way they are treated. The newer staff are learning to feel the same way and all of them are talking about leaving.

      So toss in mandatory vaccinations? It will be awful empty in the stores.

      Subotai Bahadur

        My understanding is that they’re trying to ‘solve’ the problem by demanding that NEW hire employees ALL be vaccinated as a condition of hire, but that they won’t force current employees to be vaccinated… YET.

        They’re basically trying to get their workforce at a high enough vaccination rate to simply force out the ones that refuse it.

        And as I’ve said many times, if you have a company that tries this – DO NOT QUIT OR RESIGN.

        FORCE THEM TO FIRE YOU, with the EXPLICIT REASON of refusing to be vaccinated. Then sue them.

          Roy in Nipomo in reply to Olinser. | August 23, 2021 at 9:22 pm

          And if they reduce your hours down to, say, an unlivable 21 hours per week (officially due to supply chain problems/self-checkouts/general business needs/etc), Unless you have enough money to enrich an attorney to try to prove it was lack of jab (possibly provable via email discovery), are you going to stick around?

          Unless they are dumb enough (always possible) to actually claim it was vaccine related, your case is a crap shoot. Maybe in a couple of years when it finally goes to court, the general atmosphere about the jab might be more in your favor (panic fatigue will have set in).

          Milhouse in reply to Olinser. | August 23, 2021 at 10:05 pm

          Sue them for what? Unless you have a contract that says otherwise, or you live in a state where they have laws about it, they are entitled to fire you for anything they like. They are also entitled to make vaccination a condition of your employment, whether it’s FDA-approved or not. The issue right now is that they don’t want to fire people., and they don’t want people to quit, so they’re not pushing it.

          SDN in reply to Olinser. | August 24, 2021 at 7:02 am

          So we go to the BLM / Antifa playbook your buds favor. Your choice.

I would be quite interested to see the data reflecting the the heath outcomes for the control group of the vax trial. Unfortunately the control group was deliberately comprised shortly after emergency authorization was granted.

Without that comparison, particularly in light of the breakthrough infections some of which lead to hospitalization and in some cases death, the efficacy of the vax v delta, lambda or future variants is in question. Not because they don’t work at all but rather because the performance above natural immunity must compensate for the risks of the vax.

Why don’t we have a good data set on the performance of naturally acquired immunity v the variants for the US Population? Why can’t the CDC lay out a simple side by side performance measurement? Why do they resist the one step that might convince those with natural immunity to receive the vax?

Certainly the public health community has had plenty of time, resources and funding in the past 18+ months to gather, review and publish this data as it evolved. The control group of the vax trials were the perfect group. IMO, that they have steadfastly refused is an answer in itself.

Colonel Travis | August 23, 2021 at 5:44 pm

I got the vaccine, my choice. I support anyone who refuses, it is pure tyranny to force it on people. Unfortunately, this country is populated by too many who welcome it. Gee, you want me to inject Diet Mountain Dew into my eyeballs and dance on a bag of flaming dog poo, sign me up pronto!

    Dathurtz in reply to Colonel Travis. | August 23, 2021 at 5:51 pm


    The Friendly Grizzly in reply to Colonel Travis. | August 23, 2021 at 5:55 pm

    I got the first two shots of the Pfizer. I will refuse boosters.

      If you don’t mind, would you explain that to me? I get people getting the vaccine. I get people refusing. I dom’t understand your position and I would like to. I understand if that my question too personal and apologize if if it is.

        The Friendly Grizzly in reply to Dathurtz. | August 23, 2021 at 7:37 pm

        Because I know now that the vaccine is virtually useless. The second shot made a basket case out of me for about four days. Screw it.

      Best is to get the vaccine and then get Covid. The case will be mild and you then never need boosters because natural immunity is stronger and likely to be lifelong.

        The Friendly Grizzly in reply to Ben Kent. | August 23, 2021 at 7:38 pm

        The problem is: Our Betters don’t recognize natural immunity. They want me to Show My Papers.

        alaskabob in reply to Ben Kent. | August 23, 2021 at 8:30 pm

        False sense of security…. three of my wife’s friends died of Covid after being vaccinated. I guess death would qualify as “mild”? You are correct though…they won’t need booster shots in the future. As for the future? You do not want to know.

I am vaccinated and do not take advice from Robby Kennedy or Jim Carey’s GF. but ‘splain to me how killing unborn babies is a choice, no questions allowed. But hesitation about a rushed vaccine is not allowed. Don’t tell me “that’s different.”

I have lost my faith and trust in the federal government and corporate America. With the President telling us obvious lies “Get the vaccine … you won’t get Covid” and the media doing the same even when they are called on it, I am skeptical. Very skeptical.

I can’t wait until this is all over. Without wanting to seem dramatic I honestly believe the sociopaths running our country have done a great job of running it. Into the ground, that is. I think our Republic is lost and nothing surprises me anymore.

I can’t tell if they’re really this clueless. “Vaccine hesitancy” was never about approval status, it was always about the 12,000+ deaths, blood clots, induced heart disease, kidney inflammation, spike protein migration to the ovaries and brain, and other side ffects, and the fact that the vaccines aren’t working (which we know because the equally useless masks are being required despite vaccination) despite Biden’s lies about “pandemic of the unvaccinated”, which he repeated today.

That plus the virus was in a strong downward trajectory before the vaccines, so blaming the trajectory on the vaccines is not the slam dunk case they claim it is.

    Dathurtz in reply to randian. | August 23, 2021 at 6:40 pm

    Right? My dumb self was 5th in line for the moderna at work. One lady in front of me turned beet red and her left eye got all droopy. Another lady fell out twitching on the floor and the epi pens didn’t help. I figured two bad effects out of 4 in front of me wasn’t a good sign so I noped out of there.

    Since then several people I know how described absolutely horrible vaccine effects. My “lived experience” is what makes me hesitant. If this was smallpox I would think a little more on it, bit my demo has something like a 99.98% survival rate. I’ll skip the side effects.

      gonzotx in reply to Dathurtz. | August 23, 2021 at 7:19 pm

      That really happened?

        Dathurtz in reply to gonzotx. | August 23, 2021 at 8:22 pm

        Yep. All the women in my school (except one who opted out because her husband had a bad reaction) got vaccinated. No noteworthy bad effects except those two out of about 25 people. Still…2/25 is way too high.

    Olinser in reply to randian. | August 23, 2021 at 8:54 pm

    They’re not clueless, they’re evil.

    They know this won’t matter to people.

    But they also know that this gives them the fig leaf necessary to have companies DEMAND that they get the vaccine or get fired.

And they provided absolutely no data about side affects. Nothing. Nada. Zip. Zilch. A departure from past standard medical and scientific practice followed for every other vaccine ever created.

People are no longer empowered to make informed decisions about taking the vaccine based on such information. They are required to do as our fascist Big Brother tells them to do, using private businesses as its agents. That is pure undiluted fascism.

The FDA has become completely politicized. Another fascist big government bureaucracy that cannot be trusted ever again.

My company just mandated vaccination and masks for all regardless of vaccination status. They claim to have a “medical or religious” exemption, but I suspect they will make it difficult or impossible to qualify. You’ll probably need a doctor’s affidavit (and what doctor is going to sign one with their license on the line) or one from a priest (so atheists can’t object). Oh yeah, you can subject yourself to weekly or possibly daily testing if you aren’t vaccinated. Yay q-tips to the brain and false positives!

    txvet2 in reply to randian. | August 23, 2021 at 7:12 pm

    Look at the bright side. If you get a false positive, you can forever claim a false natural immunity.

      Olinser in reply to txvet2. | August 23, 2021 at 8:56 pm

      These companies don’t care. That’s the biggest thing that SHOULD clue people into the fact that the ‘vaccine’ is bullshit.

      People like me, who had symptomatic COVID, AND have tested positive for antibodies, are still being demanded to take the vaccine.

    gonzotx in reply to randian. | August 23, 2021 at 7:20 pm

    Have a friend get a over the internet ministry license

    CommoChief in reply to randian. | August 23, 2021 at 7:46 pm

    My recommendation would be to pushback on that. First on the exemption. If you have naturally acquired immunity and anti body test proving it then have them explain in writing what the purpose of the vax actually is.

    Secondly I would hit them on the testing requirements if not vax. Breakthrough cases are a reality. So using testing of those not vax while exempting those with the vax won’t be effective. In essence force them to expose that it’s about punishment not for safety. Then ask them in writing for lifetime healthcare coverage for any issues resulting from the vax regardless of how long you remain employed. That answer will tell you whether the company cares about you or simply reaching a 100% vax goal.

    This constant refrain of vax v not vax is disingenuous. There are currently four categories of people:
    1. Fully vax
    2. Partially vax
    3. Naturally acquired immune
    4. No vax and haven’t yet been infected

    Soon we will have a fifth category; those fully vax but long enough ago that they need a booster. Employers who fail to recognize more than two basic categories of vax and not vax and adjust their policies accordingly are setting themselves up for problems. IMO.

And, here we go.

A new wave of ‘get the shot’ messaging has already started on the radio where I live. For medical reasons, I can’t take the vaccine. Other people I know have chosen not to get the shot due to real questions regarding their own health related conditions and how this vaccine will affect them both now, and in the long term.

The thing I’m really tired of, is the constant fucking nagging. You can’t turn on the damn radio or go online for news without seeing and hearing this constant mantra of ‘get the shot, get the shot’.

If I wanted to be nagged every fucking day, I’d go hang out with my ex-wife.

    txvet2 in reply to SField. | August 23, 2021 at 7:15 pm

    I’ve recently noticed that they’ve branched out. Now they’re dunning us with PSAs urging vaccination for pretty much everything under the sun – whooping cough, STDs, whatever. IMO it’s a desperate effort to pretend that just one more vaccination is no big deal. “See? We take lots of vaccinations for all kinds of things. What’s one more?”

      SField in reply to txvet2. | August 23, 2021 at 7:57 pm

      Yep, and it goes further. The local radio show here had a guy who tried to bend known history and drop this covid vaccine right into the same domain of time proven vaccines for things like Polio and Smallpox. They’re dunning us alright.

    The Friendly Grizzly in reply to SField. | August 23, 2021 at 7:43 pm

    It could be worse. “Get the Shot to show your support for Diversity and Inclusion!” /ducking

    JusticeDelivered in reply to SField. | August 24, 2021 at 4:02 am

    My ex acts a lot like Pelosi:)

Looks like they’ve already figured out that “Delta” won’t be enough to panic people into getting the jab, so now the latest rumor is that they’ve discovered “COVID-22”, that is reputed to be deadlier than the now mundane 19.

    Dathurtz in reply to txvet2. | August 23, 2021 at 7:15 pm

    Well, to be fair, that is exactly what one would expect after the widespread use of a leaky vaccine.

    gonzotx in reply to txvet2. | August 23, 2021 at 7:22 pm

    And of course you will need a fourth shot to protect yourself from it

    And what repercussions has China had up to this point?

    Asking for a friend

Is anyone questioning the hospitals feeding the MSM panic porn about ERs?

These are in fact the same the same hospitals who labeled suicides, car accidents, cancer, and heart attacks as “Covid deaths” in order to cash in. Having seen an ER bill in the past year- someone better be fact checking their damn claims.

Also – the Oregon governor is calling in the national guard to help at hospitals. A little detail no one is questioning is the actual work they are doing- these are not medically trained staff… shit these are not even EMTS… they are bringing in people with no medical skills at all to do low level work based on “ER rooms that are overflowing.” I know guys who are going in to basically do minimum wage jobs that require NO skills- they could have used a freaking temp agency.

I’m in the medical community and I am disgusted

We went from the CDC refusing to answer the question of what percentage needs to be vaccinated to lift restrictions, to the 50% number being batted around, to 70% as the benchmark, to now nothing less than 100%!!!!! This is fascism!

I’d expect nothing less from a bunch of fascists.


This is all really messed up, and stinks to high heavens.

The supposed approval is being reported everywhere, but it seems to be fake news. Apparently, there is no such approval but an extension of the Emergency Use Authorization.

From the FDA website:

Page 12 of the document clearly says:

This product has not been approved or licensed by FDA, but has been authorized for emergency use by FDA, under an EUA to prevent Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) for use in individuals 12 years of age and older; and
• The emergency use of this product is only authorized for the duration of the declaration that circumstances exist justifying the authorization of emergency use of the medical product under Section 564(b)(1) of the FD&C Act unless the declaration is terminated or authorization revoked sooner.