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Psaki: Biden Wants ‘Community Door-to-Door Outreach to Get Remaining Americans Vaccinated’

Psaki: Biden Wants ‘Community Door-to-Door Outreach to Get Remaining Americans Vaccinated’

Not creepy at all. Nope. Not. At. All. #sarcasm

Press Secretary Jen Psaki said the U.S. will hit around 160 million vaccinated citizens by the end of the week.

It is not enough for the administration. President Joe Biden supposedly has five areas he wants his team to concentrate on, including going door-to-door to get the people vaccinated.

From Grabien (my emphasis):

PSAKI: “By the end of the week, the United States will be nearing 160 million people fully vaccinated, which the President will touch on today as well, which is critically important, as fully vaccinated people are protected against the Delta variant. He will also stress how the administration will continue its effort to work with governors, local leaders, and across the public and private sector to get more Americans vaccinated by making vaccines available in more health care settings and respond to hotspots. The President will outline five areas his team is focused on to get more Americans vaccinated. One, targeted community by community door-to-door outreach to get remaining Americans vaccinated by ensuring they have the information they need on how both safe and accessible the vaccine is. Two, a renewed emphasis on getting the vaccines to more primary care doctors and physicians, something that we’ve seen as a very successful tactic with reaching groups with lower vaccination rates in the past few months.”

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nordic_prince | July 6, 2021 at 5:04 pm

Eff that noise. The implication is that we’re too stupid and/or stubborn for our own good, so they’re going to repeat their lies long enough and loud enough until we “see the light.”

Biden: GFY.

    mark311 in reply to nordic_prince. | July 7, 2021 at 6:17 am

    What lies are you refering to Nordic?

      nordic_prince in reply to mark311. | July 7, 2021 at 7:58 am

      That “covid” is so “deadly” that we can’t return to “normal” until and unless everybody gets “vaccinated” with an experimental shot that is “safe and effective,” for starters.

      Of course, everything about this so-called administration is a lie and a farce.

        mark311 in reply to nordic_prince. | July 7, 2021 at 8:49 am

        So 600,000+ dead Americans isn’t a significant number?

        Well the vaccination rate is less than 50% so of course it would be concerning. It’s not really experimental at this stage given the hundreds of millions of doses taken world wide and the efficy of the reporting.

          IsThisTheRealLife in reply to mark311. | July 7, 2021 at 9:19 am

          It’s “efficacy” but anyway if you think the reporting has been truthful then you must have limited news sources because MSM are not reporting all the people who are having serious adverse reactions such as neurological issues; pericarditis and endocarditis in the younger people who have been vaccinated and even death. I don’t care how many millions of people who have been vaccinated, these vaccines have still not been FULLY approved by the FDA (not that it means a lot when you have a 1 in 5 chance of having a serious reaction to a new drug approved by them. And about 128,000 die from prescribed drugs, ranking them 4th with strokes as the leading cause of death!) and if you are damaged by them you have no recourse! And why are we now pushing for young people to be vaccinated when they have a greater chance of having an adverse reaction from the vaccination than the disease itself? You may say so they don’t pass Covid onto the vulnerable population…..well if the vulnerable population is vaccinated then why should they be worried about it. Let them get vaccinated and everyone else should have a choice…..that choice is slowly disappearing.

          CommoChief in reply to mark311. | July 7, 2021 at 9:32 am

          Mark,

          Of 600k deaths are significant. Who states the opposite? I don’t. The real question is how significant v prior episodes when controlling and adjusting for differences?

          In 1957 flu approximately 100K deaths out of a population about half the current US population. Using that as a base tells us Rona is about 3x more deadly.

          However, other factors are at play that need to be accounted for to reach a true comparison with 1957. Age for one. In 1957 the median age was 29.5, v a median age of 38.31 in 2020.

          Life expectancy is another. In 1960 LE at age 65 was 13.9 years v LE of 19.4 in 2016. Medical advances are another. We have a much larger proportion of our population who, due to age, infirmity or condition, are vulnerable today v 1957.

          IMO, the Rona once we adjust for all these factors will not turn out to be significantly more dangerous than 1957 flu. However the National response of shuttering the economy is a significant departure from past practice.

          I don’t believe that the data, once adjusted for all factors, will show any appreciable difference in outcomes in total adjusted deaths. Certainly not enough to justify the draconian lockdown.

          nordic_prince in reply to mark311. | July 7, 2021 at 9:52 am

          Oh, it’s still experimental, bucko – trials are still ongoing, and not due to be wrapped up for a few years yet.

          And I’m sure that 600K Americans died, but to think that they all died from “covid” and/or would still be alive were it not for “covid” is a long stretch. The data simply do not support the assertion that there are excess deaths in 2020 compared to other years (adjusted for population growth, of course).

          “covid” is a coronavirus – a COLD – and its mortality rate is on par with that of a normal flu season.

          As for the mythical “70% vaxx rate needed for herd immunity,” that’s pure bollocks. The example of the Diamond Princess provides strong evidence that 20% is sufficient for herd immunity… and so many “asymptomatic cases” strongly suggests that a large percentage of the population has pre-existing immunity and hence do not need a shot.

          The whole thing has been a psyop from Day 1.

          mark311 in reply to mark311. | July 7, 2021 at 11:04 am

          @Isthisthereallife

          “if you think the reporting has been truthful then you must have limited news sources because MSM are not reporting all the people who are having serious adverse reactions such as neurological issues; pericarditis and endocarditis in the younger people who have been vaccinated and even death”

          The source is the CDC, state actors etc. The reports are accurate.

          There has been no causal link established that vaccines have caused any deaths, the incident rate of various types of reaction is vanishingly low.

          “Myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. As of June 28, 2021, VAERS has received 780 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis among people ages 30 and younger who received COVID-19 vaccine. Most cases have been reported after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna), particularly in male adolescents and young adults. Through follow-up, including medical record reviews, CDC and FDA have confirmed 518 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis. CDC and its partners are investigating these reports to assess whether there is a relationship to COVID-19 vaccination. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and myocarditis.”

          “And about 128,000 die from prescribed drugs” Yeah its troubling that there is such a lack of regulation on big pharma. You are right in saying that the FDA is inadequate on this issue.

          @Commochief

          Specifically Nordic Prince did and a number of characters on LI. I’m glad to hear you aren’t one of those.

          With respect there is a flaw in your logic. Measures have been taken to reduce the death toll thus you’d have to make a comparison between the current death toll and the potential death toll in order to make a useful comment. If you can show that the measures would have limited or no impact on the death rate then sure you might have an argument. However given that there is a clear pattern of increases when ‘lockdown’ measures have eased that would be a hard argument to make

          @Nordic Prince

          “600K Americans died, but to think that they all died from “covid” and/or would still be alive were it not for “covid” is a long stretch” not really its the primary cause of death hence why the respective death certificates will classify the death as covid.

          “The data simply do not support the assertion that there are excess deaths in 2020 compared to other years (adjusted for population growth, of course).”

          The excess death rate is something like 300K people when comparing 2020 vs 2019

          “covid” is a coronavirus – a COLD – and its mortality rate is on par with that of a normal flu season.”
          Based on the death rate is considerably more severe than a cold.

          “The example of the Diamond Princess provides strong evidence that 20% is sufficient for herd immunity… and so many “asymptomatic cases” strongly suggests that a large percentage of the population has pre-existing immunity and hence do not need a shot.”

          I don’t know how you have arrived at your conclusion. given the rate of transmission to other passengers 2 weeks is not a long period of time for the transmission to take place after 1 passenger became infected.

          CommoChief in reply to mark311. | July 7, 2021 at 12:13 pm

          Mark,

          See response in main thread. Posted out of this line for some reason.

          AF_Chief_Master_Sgt in reply to mark311. | July 7, 2021 at 5:46 pm

          Come see me in 5 years. That is the minimum amount of time that has to pass before I take the Fauxchi Ouchi.

          There are so many lies perpetrated by Fauchi, the CDC, Biden, pissPsaki, and people like you. If you have to berate and pester people to take an experimental vaccine, then I see that as a problem. If you have to overinflated numbers to create PanicPorn, then you aren’t being effective. You are being an asshole.

          Leave those of us who don’t want the vaccine alone. Go hide in your basement. Keep posting on blogs telling people how smart you are.

          We’ll talk later. Much much later. If…….. you survive.

          mark311 in reply to mark311. | July 7, 2021 at 6:03 pm

          @AF_Chief_Master_Sgt

          Lies eh, I have a feeling if you delve into the details you’ll realise that very few lies have actually been told.

          “If you have to berate and pester people to take an experimental vaccine, then I see that as a problem.” I’m not sure an information campaign can be construed as ‘berating’ or ‘pestering’

          “If you have to overinflated numbers to create PanicPorn, then you aren’t being effective. You are being an asshole.” The number have not been over inflated. Id be happy to take a look at a source if you can prove otherwise.

          “Leave those of us who don’t want the vaccine alone. Go hide in your basement. Keep posting on blogs telling people how smart you are.”

          Well that’s up to you of course, I consider it somewhat foolish but it is your choice at the end of the day. I don’t have a basement so that could be challenging. I’ve never made claims regarding my own intellect, not that I recall anyways.

          Milhouse in reply to mark311. | July 8, 2021 at 1:59 am

          “if you think the reporting has been truthful then you must have limited news sources

          The source is the CDC, state actors etc. The reports are accurate.

          You parody yourself. That the source is the CDC and state actors is precisely the problem. Anyone who still thinks those are reliable sources is just not paying attention.

          mark311 in reply to mark311. | July 9, 2021 at 6:39 am

          @milhouse

          That’s the problem Milhouse I absolutely have paid attention and the idea that the CDC and states have misinformed the public about the levels of Covid deaths is insane. Can you provide any source that discredits the figures?

But Nordic…. The variants…. The deadly variants!…. Oh my goodness!.. we need to go door to door, and while they are at it, get the untraceable guns and “assault” weapons too!

    nordic_prince in reply to DamDoc. | July 6, 2021 at 5:16 pm

    Thumbs down by mistake. “Muh variants” is what they will use to push annual/semi-annual booster shots for this crap… that’s the narrative they’re already beginning to push in Israel, saying “oh, BTW, it appears that you’re going to need a THIRD shot.”

    Never fear… it won’t stop at three….

This will probably be a bad idea in rural Texas.

henrybowman | July 6, 2021 at 5:32 pm

If the fedguv starts sending “Sniffler Youth” door-to-door, people are going to get vaccinated all right, but not the way he thinks.

Time to get my “No Missionaries” sign back up.

And while they are there, they can pick up your absentee ballot!

How convenient!

It sounds like a horrible violation of our civil rights.
In reality, it’s probably a postcard sent to every US address.

I can’t picture the government coughing up the cash to send people to doors when they had such a cheap-out on the census. Seriously, what would this expensive process gain the government in terms of power over us? Zip. Everybody in our house is up on all their shots, so big whoop.

    ::: adjusts tinfoil tiara before responding ::: This is definitely creepy as Mary says.

    The federal/state/local government does not currently have a tried and tested means of conducting coordinated door-to-door “visits.” Even before Trump took the Census online, the people hired were all random locals, not law enforcement, firefighters (being used in blue Orange County, FL), federal and health “officials.” I’m okay with Joe Normal down the street knocking on my door or leaving a Census form; I”m not so fine with the feds coordinating door-to-door efforts for a vaccine that’s not and cannot be made mandatory by the federal government. What’s the point? They can’t force us to take it, and if they want to “educate” us, they can send a mailer. I can slam the door in the face of anyone from the government and here to help just as easily as I can toss the mailer in the trash.

    As to the cost . . . lmao. Do you honestly believe the Biden admin gives a rat’s poot about what ANYTHING costs?

    In short, I don’t trust this effort at all. It smacks of practice for door-to-door efforts that we will definitely find objectionable (#2A, another leftie-deemed “health crisis,” for starters, and the list of possibilities goes downhill from there for students of history).

    Are they going to knock on every single door, or just doors of people who haven’t been vaccinated? How will they know?
    Sounds like HIPPA violation to me.

      Milhouse in reply to lc. | July 8, 2021 at 2:13 am

      First of all, it’s HIPAA. And no, there’s no indication that they would have such a list. Certainly not a comprehensive one, since that doesn’t exist, and it would be difficult to compile one without violating HIPAA. But it would be possible to put together a partial list of people known or believed to be vaccinated, e.g. because they’ve said so, or because they’re going around telling everyone, or because they’re so proud of their status that they’ve applied for a vaccine verification card of some sort, or put themselves on a public list.

      Still, my default assumption is that he is talking about good old-fashioned door-to-door canvassing, just like that traditionally used by Mormons, Witnesses, encyclopaedia and Hoover salesmen, petition gatherers, and people canvassing for a political candidate. i.e. knock on every door, ring every bell, talk to the people if they answer and leave literature if they don’t.

      Remember he’s not talking about a nationwide door-knocking campaign. He’s talking about local initiatives, that might include door-knocking. So it would be the local pro-vaccine people, probably volunteers, who’d knock on your door, not someone from the fedgov.

    alohahola in reply to georgfelis. | July 6, 2021 at 8:11 pm

    It sounds like a trial balloon.

Everybody who gets covid gives the disease another opportunity to evolve into another variant, so vaccinating is actually a good idea, to reduce that number from what it would have been naturally.

Both by making people immune and by reducing the transmission to new victims.

It’s more likely to be effective by immunizing foreign second-tier countries though, which is where the biggest evolving variant pool is.

    gospace in reply to rhhardin. | July 6, 2021 at 8:23 pm

    Except that getting the jab doesn’t mean you cannot get the dreaded covid. You can get it and spread it. And all the US vaccine makers have already said their vaccines don’t stop you from getting it, they keep you from more severe symptoms…

    Odd are the virus is mutating faster in those already vaccinated who contract the dreaded covid.

      NotSoFriendlyGrizzly in reply to gospace. | July 7, 2021 at 7:44 am

      Yup. We were just notified yesterday that on Saturday, someone in our office, who had been 100% vaccinated for the last few months, tested positive.

      mark311 in reply to gospace. | July 7, 2021 at 8:55 am

      That’s not quite true, it does make it more difficult for covid to be contracted. Clearly it’s not 100% reduction but it is a significant reduction since the viral load is much reduced.

Door to door sounds okay. Natural hermits like mathematicians are good with human contact once a year if that, and that gets it out of the way for another year.

“Hi, I’m from the Biden Administration and I’m here to talk to you about …

BOOM!

A: Go and tell your master that we have been charged by God with a sacred
quest. If he will give us food and shelter for the night, he can join us
in our quest for the Holy Grail.
S: Well, I’ll ask ‘im, but I don’t think ‘e’ll be very keen– ‘e’s already got
one, you see?
A: What?
Lancelot: He says they’ve already *got* one!

Sure, come on my property and suggest injecting that poison into any member of my family. I really want to see how fast you can run before you get shot in the head.

Saving time and cost, something the government is all about. On each visit they can also check to make sure your guns are stored correctly and registered properly for your safety. Are your smoke detectors working? They can do a quick look at your bookshelf to see if they can help diversify your reading habits.

It is all about your safety.

Door to door with a SWAT team and needles full of poison!

What’s this “get vaccinated” business?

It’s not a vaccine.

Plus, people have been “eligible” and “invited.”

No one eligible needs to accept any “invitation.”

I identify as “Vaccinated” to you must believe me. Makes as much sense as anything else today.

The door to door campaign seems like an overworked WH staffer had one too many red bull after midnight, kept punching the keys and this idea erupted into a .ppt which someone more SR should have squashed.

More vaccine distribution? Maybe. How about figuring out how to get the J&J vaccine production ramped up? There are a large number of folks who might be convinced to voluntarily accept the J&J version vs Moderna or Pfizer.

An actual choice of vaccines actually available might just make a difference.

    I’m one of those people; if I absolutely had to have one I’d prefer the one-and-done J&J.

    As for the whole door-to-door thing, a federal effort that would involve employing an army of people to knock on doors is a waste of money (but since it’s the federal government, wasting money is par for the course). I know they’ve got commercials on TV encouraging people to get the jab. IMO, states and localities are better-equipped to do outreach to specific areas; I know where I live the areas with large black and hispanic populations have lower jab rates.

    Oh, and how many people actually answer random door knocks or doorbell rings these days? If they do, a bunch of them are probably talking through their doorbell or security intercom vs. opening the door.

      CommoChief in reply to p. | July 7, 2021 at 12:17 pm

      Lots military members and their families as well. Plus veterans. The survey/polls conducted reflect that offering a choice of the particular vaccine would increase willingness to become vaccinated.

      The Army Times and other military papers have published this. Military Family advocacy groups and Veterans groups have also raised this issue.

I’ll take “Not Gonna Happen” for $1000, Alex.

I’ll post no trespassing signs. If they come knocking I’ll call the cops and have them trespassed.
And I should put the sign that reads “Don’t trespass, I’m tired of burying the bodies”.

So Psaki, you lying POS: what’s YOUR address?

Comanche Voter | July 6, 2021 at 9:09 pm

Well Biden’s Brown Shirts will show up on your doorstep demanding you get vaccinated. As it happens, I’ve already had two of the Moderna Shots. But I can envision situations in parts of the country where the Brown Shirts will show up on the doorstep and get two barrels of a twelve gauge shotgun. And deservedly so.

I’ve got a doctor’s excuse

He asked if I had gotten or was going to get the jab

When I told him no, he just said “ok” and moved on

If he’s not concerned, neither am I

Joey Williams | July 7, 2021 at 9:55 am

Sending people around door-to-door to check on vaccination status. Hmmm……..

Isn’t isolation the ‘norm’ nowadays, according to the pundits? And isn’t Covid spread by person-to-person contact? Sounds like what Biden is really trying to do is spread the thing more rapidly.

Mark,

As a matter of fact the examples of N Dakota and S Dakota offer an opportunity to examine differences in mandates between two States with similar topography, demographics, weather patterns, ECT.

The final story is as yet unclear as to the efficacy of mandates and lockdown as the differential between them.

Florida and CA offer another example for comparison. Both have large populations, both had/have large numbers of tourists, similar climates though not perfectly so. Each had a different approach to mandates and lockdown.

Both have foreign born population over 20%. Though CA is geographically and has a higher population, Florida has a much higher population density which should place FL more at risk of spread.

Lets see. As of 6/25/2021

CA had a week over week increase of confirmed:
Deaths +343%
Cases +66%

Florida
Deaths – 25% yes minus
Cases +9%

This a just a weekly snapshot off CDC. The longer term data reflects this trend as well.

One theory is that in red states or red localities the unwillingness to comply with or institute mandates and lockdown policies resulted in the Rona moving through the population. This created a naturally acquired immunity in those locations.

In contrast, States and localities who did accept and institute the mandate and lockdown philosophy have avoided the Rona burn rate of other areas, thus they still have dry tinder to burn.

Is that accurate? Maybe. It is a reasonable explanation for the differential between the areas who choose different approaches. It is consistent with the scientific record of other viruses.

    mark311 in reply to CommoChief. | July 7, 2021 at 5:55 pm

    It is useful to make comparisons, with regard to n and S Dakota this link seems to provide a good analysis

    https://www.grandforksherald.com/newsmd/coronavirus/6824462-North-Dakota-got-a-mask-mandate-South-Dakota-didnt.-COVID-19-cases-have-plummeted-in-both

    With respect to Florida this is a bit of a weird one. The media set a very low bar for Florida in that it was expected to have a very high case load relative to other states this hasn’t born out as true relatively speaking but I think the claim has creeped into something else which is that its performed well compared to the overall Covid picture. The overall picture is that many States have done really quite badly compared to many other countries who have used extensive lockdown measures and consistent messaging.

    This link provides an interesting take on the CA FL comparison

    https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-03-19/florida-desantis-covid-awful

    I would say that the bigger picture is that the US has done pretty poorly overall compared with the majority of countries in its pandemic response, that is certainly in part related to the sporadic and inconsistent lockdown/preventative measures.

    “In contrast, States and localities who did accept and institute the mandate and lockdown philosophy have avoided the Rona burn rate of other areas, thus they still have dry tinder to burn.” This will link to vaccination rates, if they have high levels of vaccination then the risk is drastically lowered.

    It will be interesting to see further studies on the measures that have taken place.

      CommoChief in reply to mark311. | July 7, 2021 at 7:17 pm

      The overall point here is that, at best, we cannot state definitely that the mandates and lockdown regime was more effective in mitigating Rona. This fall will likely tell us more. As flu season returns, where the burn rate was high and vaccination is less then either natural immunity and burn rate bears out in less cases and deaths or it doesn’t.

      The other overlooked health consequence portion of the lockdown and mandate regime are the impact on other health outcomes. Directly like isolation, depression and suicide rates. Indirectly in deferred medical treatments or screening.

      Long-term I would submit that we will see elevated rates of death attributable to these lockdown and mandate regimes and the fear they created and fed. Public health policy recommendations must be based upon all the impacts. The policy must be weighed in terms of trade offs.

      Clearly, from an economic perspective the lockdown and mandate regime was a disaster. The US has an trillions in new debt. That debt will overhang and act as a drag on our ability to make future borrowing decisions. Tens of thousands of small businesses were shutdown permanently. Lots of upheaval outside govt employment and information economy.

      Factoring all the consequences of the lock downs and mandates that we recognize today, apart from the data we gain in the coming years, the overall verdict on these policies is, IMO, a clear failure.

        mark311 in reply to CommoChief. | July 7, 2021 at 7:32 pm

        “The overall point here is that, at best, we cannot state definitely that the mandates and lockdown regime was more effective in mitigating Rona.”

        Well we can reasonably surmise based on the experiences of countries worldwide, the US has done very badly compared to countries that adopted adequate measures. Additionally you can see it in the data when lockdowns were eased, there is a definite trend line where lockdown measures reduced the number of transmissions then increased again when measures were eased.

        “The other overlooked health consequence portion of the lockdown and mandate regime are the impact on other health outcomes. Directly like isolation, depression and suicide rates. Indirectly in deferred medical treatments or screening.”
        Yes this is a big issue, i’m not clear that its worse than Covid but it does need to be taken seriously.

        “Clearly, from an economic perspective the lockdown and mandate regime was a disaster. The US has an trillions in new debt. That debt will overhang and act as a drag on our ability to make future borrowing decisions. Tens of thousands of small businesses were shutdown permanently. Lots of upheaval outside govt employment and information economy.”

        Well the response to covid needed to be competent. The US and to some extent the UK had pretty poor responses which then necessitated more severe responses later thus costing more money. There is an argument that the restrictions should have been longer and more severe to start with and then robust systems put in place to control the virus that never really happened so it ended up being a repeated cycle of lockdowns and easing followed by more lockdowns. Thus id argue the cost to the economy etc is actually a function of the incompetence of the various governments.

        “Factoring all the consequences of the lock downs and mandates that we recognize today, apart from the data we gain in the coming years, the overall verdict on these policies is, IMO, a clear failure.”

        I think we are agreeing here but for different reasons and concluding with different outcomes

          CommoChief in reply to mark311. | July 7, 2021 at 9:25 pm

          Mark,

          Selecting other Nations to compare with the US adds even more differences to be controlled for to arrive at a reasonable comparison. Assuming the reported data from these Nations is accurate.

          Which Nations do you contend have done appreciable better than the US? Certainly not India with a reported deaths per million of 291. No believes that data is accurate.

          Which policies would have demonstrated ‘competence’? Are those policies Constitutional? Would the implementation of these policies in the US have provoked a backlash that was less meek and more confrontational?

          Every foregone procedure, test or screening that results in a death is attributable to these draconian policies and fear mongering.

          Economically, these policies were disastrous. A segment of our entrepreneurial middle class has been financially crushed. If people didn’t have an inclination to join the broad populist right, they have been handed one.

          I can’t really express how much the public health officials are held in contempt. The next time some public health official speaks in the next crisis they better be humble. They better provide the raw data. They better go out of their way to frame their recommendations as just that; highly suggested but optional.

          Anything less will almost certainly be met with ridicule and derision. Should they or foolish political figures seek to enforce their recommendations….that would be unwise.

          People have had enough. The willingness to play nicely and mostly go along with all this is well past it’s sell by date. No one I know is planning on buying the public health officials BS again.

          That is the worst avoidable outcome, IMO. Whole sections of our Nation have been unnecessarily alienated and antagonized. People are upset and will remain so, especially if at some future date, another Fauchi emerges to lecture and demand compliance with his dictates. That would be very foolish and shortsighted on the part of the government.

          mark311 in reply to mark311. | July 8, 2021 at 3:59 am

          Commochief,

          With regard to comparisons there are two issues. The first is showing whether they work or not which only needs to show a causal relationship between lockdown and a reduction in death rate. That’s been done, the evidence strongly supports that hence why the death rate figures in the UK look like a wave pattern after lockdowns with limited restrictions in-between. The second aspect is a deeper probe of how specific areas have responded to lockdowns based on there circumstances. That’s a more granular view looking at the overall causes of transmission. So the questions are different.

          With respect to what nations have done better than the US. Just about everyone. In terms of comparable nations the UK, Brazil, India, Belgium have all done particularly badly. There are quite a few exemplars for nations who have shown much better leadership, understanding of how to deal with the crisis and general competence. Places like S Korea, Taiwan, new Zealand, Mauritius, There are others too.

          In terms of competence there is an extensive list of issues.

          1) messaging , making spurious claims about masks, the seriousness of the virus and when it would end. Remember when the virus would disappear magically. This includes activity lying to the public as outlined by the Bob Woodward interview

          2) slow implementation of testing

          3) no support to states from federal level, failure to centrally coordinate

          4) no implementation of track and trace as far as I’m aware

          In terms of the economic argument it doesn’t make a lot of sense. Failure to deal with the virus leads to a much larger number of deaths, indeed by having a poor response you increase the chance of choosing between lockdowns or accepting a much larger causality rate. If the US response had been good then lockdowns later might have been avoided thus the economic case is for a strong response not a weak one.

          With regard to health officials I can’t disagree more. They have been wrongly villified when the core issue has always been Trumps incompetence. He never followed the science and never showed leadership. The practical results of numerous other nations is that the basic messaging of the public health officials was correct. Sure there was a learning curve.

          Do you at least acknowledge Trumps role in the Covid response?

          CommoChief in reply to mark311. | July 8, 2021 at 8:33 am

          Mark,

          Public health officials failed. Period. They have admitted to deliberately misleading statements. No mask, yes mask, mask protects wearer, mask protects other’s.

          The origin story seems to have collapsed and some disturbing financial links appear to have comprised the integrity of some public health officials.

          Any public health recommendations must fall within the narrow bands of our Constitution. Our individual liberty isn’t superseded except in an emergency of very limited duration.

          What might be a wonderfully effective regime elsewhere won’t pass muster in the US. Cell phone tracking? Not certain that passes Constitutional protections in the US. About 15% of US adults don’t use one. I don’t. I was very happy to deliberately sever my electronic leash upon retirement.

          You seem to be saying that the lockdown regime might have been imposed for less time if only everyone had instantly and completely obeyed. Thus any effects are the fault of the populace.

          Last point. The Rona experience has revealed exactly how totalitarian the tendencies and impulses of our elites are. The lockdown regime, the impact on schools which allowed parents to view exactly what was happening have in combination created a well spring of resentment and anger towards the elites.

          The days of trusting elites and elite opinion simply because they are credentialed are very much over for a large segment. If the elite bring their data and show their work as to how they reached their conclusions we will listen, review and evaluate the raw data. That’s the best they can hope for in the foreseeable future.

          mark311 in reply to mark311. | July 9, 2021 at 7:12 am

          Commochief

          “Public health officials failed. Period. They have admitted to deliberately misleading statements. No mask, yes mask, mask protects wearer, mask protects other’s.”

          Have they? I’m not clear that’s true at all, the mask narrative evolved as greater awareness became clear on the nature of the threat. Its absolutely true that mask have been assistive in preventing transmission of covid.

          “The origin story seems to have collapsed and some disturbing financial links appear to have comprised the integrity of some public health officials.”

          There has been a deliberate attempt to mischaracterise Fauci, many of the claims revolve around emails that Fauci. Nor does that really change the fact that the US response overall has been abysmal and that responsibility starts at the highest levels of government. In other words Trump. You don’t seem to be addressing that at all.

          “Any public health recommendations must fall within the narrow bands of our Constitution. Our individual liberty isn’t superseded except in an emergency of very limited duration.”

          That’s bullshit and you know it. The constitution has always allowed curtailing of specific freedoms in emergency situations. Covid is undoubtedly one of those situations.

          “What might be a wonderfully effective regime elsewhere won’t pass muster in the US. Cell phone tracking? Not certain that passes Constitutional protections in the US. About 15% of US adults don’t use one. I don’t. I was very happy to deliberately sever my electronic leash upon retirement.”

          Sure no one is expecting a system to be perfect but having no system at all? That’s silly. I’m not even clear it could be defined as tracking, all that’s required is logging when someone is in an in door location. If that location is compromised then you get a text or phone call that’s seems sensible to me. There are plenty of means to make sure that data is anonymised.

          “Last point. The Rona experience has revealed exactly how totalitarian the tendencies and impulses of our elites are. The lockdown regime, the impact on schools which allowed parents to view exactly what was happening have in combination created a well spring of resentment and anger towards the elites.”

          Tell me you are happy for the virus to rip through and kill a magnitude of order than its done. As I’ve explained before the reality is the US got the worst of both worlds extended lockdowns and the worst results because the leadership was weak and foolish. Those impositions on your freedom could have been far more limited if Trump had been remotely competent.

          “The days of trusting elites and elite opinion simply because they are credentialed are very much over for a large segment. If the elite bring their data and show their work as to how they reached their conclusions we will listen, review and evaluate the raw data. That’s the best they can hope for in the foreseeable future.”

          Of course, but there is a lot of data so i’m not clear what your issue is on this point. All the data points to Covid being a serious issue that required serious measures.

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