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Los Angeles Reinstates Indoor Mask Mandate With Rising COVID Cases

Los Angeles Reinstates Indoor Mask Mandate With Rising COVID Cases

Cases are on the rise, but are they asymptomatic? Are they packing hospitals? How about deaths? Maybe stop administering unnecessary tests.

Los Angeles reinstated the indoor mask mandate even if you had the COVID-19 vaccine because of the delta variant.

It’s weird. I’m reading The Los Angeles Times article, and I have a hard time finding justification for the mandate:

L.A. County’s rise in community transmission has accelerated dramatically since California fully reopened on June 15. For the weeklong period that ended that day, L.A. County averaged 173 new coronavirus cases a day. For the seven-day period that ended Wednesday, the county’s average was 1,077 new cases a day. On Thursday, the county reported 1,537 additional cases.

Countywide, COVID-19 hospitalizations increased over that same time frame — from 223 on June 15 to 452 as of Wednesday. Still, cases and hospitalizations are still more than 93% below what they were at the peak of the winter surge. And deaths remain at historically low levels, at an average of about seven a day.

Although officials don’t expect hospitals to ever be as stressed with COVID-19 patients as they were during the winter surge, it’s still possible the healthcare system could be significantly affected if trends continue.

“There is still time to take action and protect people through vaccination, since we are starting from a lower baseline rate,” Dr. Roger Lewis, who directed COVID-19 hospital demand modeling for the L.A. County Department of Health Services, wrote in an email. “It is critically important that everyone eligible for vaccination who has not already been vaccinated does so as quickly as possible.”

I’m guessing most of these people are asymptomatic because the media is not stressing hospitalizations or even sick people, but not bad enough to go to the hospital.

Vaccines help a person not get a virus. It also helps a person’s immune system fight a virus so they do not get sick. You can still have a virus inside of you, but the vaccine has helped your immune system fight it off.

Maybe stop administering unnecessary tests? If you test people for any virus all the time, you will find the majority have a virus in them. I’d love to see regular flu testing all year.

Officials have said over and over if you have the vaccine, you are fine. It is all about protecting the unvaccinated. If you can have the vaccine and choose not to, then it’s your problem, not mine:

The vaccines are believed to be essentially as effective against the Delta variant as other variants. During June, 86% of people diagnosed with the Delta variant in L.A. County were not fully vaccinated — in the same range as the Alpha variant, where 91% of people diagnosed were not fully vaccinated; the Gamma variant, 92%; and all other variants, 89%.

But officials suspect that unvaccinated people have stopped wearing masks in indoor public settings and businesses, even though they’re still required to do so.

Okay, so they know the risk and choose to take it. Again, not the problem of those with the vaccine.

If you want to wear a mask, then wear a mask.

I have autoimmune disorders. I tell people, not demand, to get vaccines. Herd immunity is essential to people like me, but I do not expect people to think about me above themselves.

I want you to remember some compromised people have doctors who do not recommend the vaccine due to limited data. I think people forget how dangerous it is to have a compromised immune system.

My rheumatologist had me wait a few months before I got the vaccine. Even then, she said she would not say yes or no, but I had to keep her updated about my progress if I got it. A few people in my RA support group got super sick with the vaccine. There is not enough official data on people with compromised immune systems.

I did fine. Get your vaccine. If you cannot for health reasons, I understand. If you don’t, that’s your prerogative.

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It sure seems to me like these variants are producing the same symptoms as the common cold: runny nose and sore throat. Since the common cold is also a corona virus variant(s) and scientists have been unable to find a cure, could it be that the common cold is nothing more than the final graveyard for the variants with the latest being the WuFlu variants? Just askin’.

2smartforlibs | July 16, 2021 at 1:21 pm

1. Where’s the hard evidence masks help? Counties that never emplacements maks are doing much better than Liberlafonia.
2.Compared to what? The black death, the Spanish flu, or the common cold?
3. At what cost? look at the increase in suicides and drug OD because of these masks and lockdowns.

    mark311 in reply to 2smartforlibs. | July 17, 2021 at 5:48 am

    1)numerous studies and a correlation between lockdowns and the easing of them from multiple countries and counties. Los Angeles being one of them it appears. You’ll be pleased to know the UK is ceasing enforcement of any mask restriction on Monday so we have the joy of being the test run of the precise claim about masks alone ( as opposed to lockdowns inclusive of mask restrictions)

    2) Covid is several times worse than the flue, circa 600k plus deaths in the US is testament to the severity of the virus.

    3) well in order to model the coat in human life you’d have to compare the excess deaths caused by lockdown Vs the total number of Covid deaths And those lives saved from having lockdowns. That’s a really hard question to answer given the multifactorial nature of the question. In the UK the estimates vary enormously on how effective the lockdowns have been with high end estimates of 3m lives saved and low end of more like 10

      mark311 in reply to mark311. | July 17, 2021 at 5:49 am

      *100,000 not 10

      4rdm2 in reply to mark311. | July 17, 2021 at 6:09 am

      The other real question is how many of the purported COVID deaths are actually COVID deaths?

        mark311 in reply to 4rdm2. | July 18, 2021 at 11:56 am

        No, the idea that every nation on the planet would deliberately mislead on the Covid figures is really rather stupid. If the figures were less that would be politically positive. Taking the US as an example if Trump had managed to do a good job that would be reflected in keeping the death figures low. How on earth does inflating the figure benefit him?

          krb in reply to mark311. | July 19, 2021 at 9:56 pm

          Also to your point above – I work as a surgeon – I was in the OR one night and frustrated that my case was delayed. The nurse said to be grateful I wasn’t there the night before. A young woman had appendicitis and the surgeons took hours and weren’t able to close the abdomen – they just packed it up. So I’d be a lot more delayed. I asked what the heck? Appendicitis in America is benign. Quick surgery and go home. It turns out the woman was symptomatic for months. But she was so terrified of Covid she refused to go to the hospital. Finally it ruptured and she developed peritonitis. She was really ill and it was not clear that this young otherwise healthy would live. This is not something that happens in America. Anecdotally the local cardiologists complain that there is a great number of cardiac patients who delay workup and treatment of cardiac issues (heart attacks, eg) because of fear of going out because of Covid. So to your other point, how many people died from Covid? How many people died reacting to the Covid panic? I don’t think we’ll ever really know how many people died unnecessarily or who are having bad outcomes because of delay of diagnosis and treatment for heart attacks, cancer, and so on. How many suicides from government restrictions disrupting lives? Alcoholism? Drug abuse? Spousal abuse? I personally wonder if more people died of Covid or because of the government and media response to the virus. We’ll never know.

          krb in reply to mark311. | July 19, 2021 at 10:01 pm

          The data have been too corrupted. How do you diagnose Covid? If you test positive, what is the false positive rate? What is the false negative rate? I’ve seen press releases from several departments of health where test-negative patients are diagnosed as positive if they have both flulike symptoms and a contact with Covid.

          If you are considered a Covid patient and die, you are a covid death. Sure there are some black and white cases – if you are 50 and otherwise healthy, get covid, and die of pneumonia, covid probably killed you. If you are 90, obese and diabetic, and get covid and die of pneumonia it probably killed you … but you were probably soon to die of a heart attack or pneumonia some time this year anyway. So did covid really kill you or is it that you were going to die soon and you got covid before your heart attack? On the other hand if you’re the same 50 or 90 year old person, get covid and appendicitis, and die from complications from appendicitis, Covid is on your death certificate and you count as a covid death. But clearly covid did not kill you. Complications from appendicitis did. So there simply aren’t good data at all about how many people covid actually killed. We just don’t know.

          Anecdotally I know about 50 people who had it. A few were as sick as a bad flu. None was sick enough to be admitted to the hospital. My bet is it’s probably worse than the flu, maybe twice as bad? Who knows? But it’s certainly in the range of bad flu and not Ebola. Somewhere around 99-99.9% of people who get it survive.

      krb in reply to mark311. | July 19, 2021 at 9:23 pm

      We don’t know how many people the virus killed. Everyone who goes in to a hospital is tested for Covid. If you test positive you are labeled as a corona patient. If you test negative but have flulike symptoms and a contact with Covid you are labeled a Covid patient. If you die, Covid is listed on your death certificate. If you die of pneumonia you are a covid death. If you die of a motor vehicle accident you are a covid death. If you die of cancer or suicide you are a covid death. So we really don’t know how many people covid killed. It would be more accurate to say “of everyone in USA who died, 600k (or whatever the number is) also carried the diagnosis of covid.” That doesn’t mean Covid killed them. It means they died WITH covid, not necessarily FROM covid.

      The majority of men, when they die, have prostate cancer. I recall somewhere around 3/4. But prostate cancer kills very few men. It was the heart attack or pneumonia that killed the person, not the prostate cancer in most cases. Same idea for Covid.

I wonder how much of this can be attributed to the wide-open southern border, and untested illegal migrants being held in close quarters and then being sent all over the country. Plus odds are many of them are going to wind up living in essentially the equivalent of group houses.

    We are talking about a very small number if people getting infected and infections are NOT the problem (the death rate for this latest variant is 0.02%). The variants may be more contagious but much less dangerous so our normal immune systems not only will protect us but if infected, we become more immunized than with the vaccine. Being infected by the variant is a good thing. It’s the primary way we achieve herd immunity. But that doesn’t further the fear porn narrative.

      alohahola in reply to Pasadena Phil. | July 16, 2021 at 4:49 pm

      Exactly.

      Bring on the variants!

      mark311 in reply to Pasadena Phil. | July 17, 2021 at 5:52 am

      The issue is for the potential for the virus to mutate further so that the vaccine doesn’t work or indeed natural immunity. The more viral load in the general population the more chance of that happening. The risk is, like flue, that there is a yearly race to provide a new vaccine.

    mark311 in reply to p. | July 17, 2021 at 5:50 am

    You’d see that reflected in the figures throughout the entire period so you can exclude immigration legal or otherwise as a factor

The so called Delta variant is no more fatal than the ordinary run-of-the-mill seasonal flu. Which, BTW, is evidently now extinct in the US.

California and LA residents are getting what they voted for — radical leftwing authoritarian totalitarian big government. Hope they enjoy their political status as peasants and serfs. The ones who don’t like it and want their freedom need to move out of LA and California. However inconvenient or hard doing that might be.

The legal immigrants who fled European oppression and came here did something much harder than moving a few hundred miles to another state.

    Runny nose and sore throat. Sounds more like the common cold (a corona virus itself).

      MattMusson in reply to Pasadena Phil. | July 16, 2021 at 4:29 pm

      Here are three questions to ask:

      1. are hospitalizations going up?
      2. are deaths going up?
      3. what percentage of new infections are vaccinated people?

      Cases do not mean anything.

        Just read that in the UK, 47% of the new infections are to vaccinated people. As to hospitalizations, at the beginning of the lockdowns when they were telling everyone, including asymptomatics to get tested, positive tests alone were enough to get referred to the hospital. So those stats, as with deaths, are dubious. One person died in Pasadena a couple of days ago, the first in months, and it was big news.

        They are just cranking up the fear porn again and shaping the stats to fit the narrative. Next year is an election year and the 2020 election audits are going very poorly for the Dems. They are setting us up for another lock down. This is happening globally. People are in the streets protesting everywhere. The natives are finally restless and coming with their torches and pitchforks.

          mark311 in reply to Pasadena Phil. | July 17, 2021 at 5:55 am

          That makes no sense , it doesn’t follow that getting tested would skew the figures it would necessarily entail them being more accurate

          Mark. No. It doesn’t even come close to making them more accurate. The tests have a huge false positive rate.

          mark311 in reply to Pasadena Phil. | July 18, 2021 at 12:05 pm

          @4rdm2

          Not sure about the US but the UK tests have. 99% specificity rating making the false positive rate extremely low. What’s the specificity For US tests?

    mark311 in reply to JHogan. | July 17, 2021 at 5:53 am

    Actually it’s lethality is probably similar to the original it’s just that the most vulnerable (within reason) have been vaccinated and this skews the death rate figures.

Once again, you’re trying to argue logically with people who don’t care. The reason for masks is that the powers that be want them (for other people). The evidence for or against their effectiveness is irrelevant.

    henrybowman in reply to irv. | July 16, 2021 at 4:13 pm

    Los Angeles?
    I DON’T CARE.
    They can use dry-cleaner bags as space helmets there.
    It would make the country healthier… politically.

      You SHOULD care. It’s that attitude that allowed these Marxists to seize control of just about every state. While everyone was blaming CA, the same thing was happening where they lived and for the same reasons. We were looking for help when we had a chance to fight but all we got was “We should just give CA back to Mexico”. Typical “conservative” short-sighted spinelessness. It’s never EVER the right time to do the right thing. Don’t fight for the big states, don’t fight for the small states, never ever fight. But fight for the electoral college though.

      And just wait, All sanctuary city Texas is NOT as safe as everyone likes to believe. I still believe Abbot will show himself to be a snake in the end. But let’s keep kidding ourselves. It’s CA’s fault that the majority of illegals keep flooding across the TX border.

Careful with the wording here – “I’d love to see regular flu testing all year.” Uh, no. Actually I’d love to see a comparison of “positive” flu test rate compared to “positive” Covid test rates. But no, I’d rather not see regular flu testing implemented, it would just lead to permanent mask requirements.

Bruce Hayden | July 16, 2021 at 1:55 pm

What is missing is the breakdown in variants being seen. The biggest expansion recently is the more infectious Delta, that seems to be pushing the other variants. The problem? A CFR (case fatality rate) approximately 1/8 to 1/10 that of the Alpha variant. That puts it in the same neighborhood as the seasonal flu.

This is what viruses that cause epidemics and pandemics typically do. Eventually they mutate, and the more infectious but less deadly variants tend to push out the less infectious but more deadly original variants. That is because they spread faster. In the case of COVID-19, this is mostly a very good thing, because immunity from Delta most often translates to immunity from Alpha.

Can’t be true, CA and NY are the shining examples of Rona response. The red State rubes are the ones not doing it correctly. (Sarcasm)

have the deceased died due to complications of COVID or have they died and tested positive for the COVID virus or have they died as a result of medical/hospital treatment for their symptoms

Tough guy Trumpgoobers whining about masks.

In a pandemic.

For sixteen months.💩🤡

LibraryGryffon | July 16, 2021 at 3:03 pm

I haven’t gotten the vaccine yet. Everyone else in my family has, parents, husband, children. Most got Pfizer or Moderna, but husband got J&J. No one has had any long-term (as far as we know) effects. For some reason, probably irrational, I’ve refused. It’s mostly the massive push by TPTB, even though they spent last fall telling us how dangerous it was, and we know they’ll lie to us “for our own good” whenever they feel like it. How do I know which info is the lie?

I’m waiting to see any long-term issues for people getting this vaccine who have thrombophilias. I’ve already dealt with TIAs and BRVO, don’t feel like adding anything to the system that we know will make clots more likely.

And anyway, I live with cats and I know they’ve shared plenty of their coronavirus “colds” with me over the years. I also take D, C, and zinc supplements, and am not particularly overweight. Given the data from the Diamond Princess and the Roosevelt, I’ll take my chances and enjoy breathing in the meantime. False suffocation alarm isn’t fun, and just because I know it’s not real, doesn’t mean my body does.

People don’t necessarily get the vaccine to avoid catching Corona and dying. People think only *other* people can possibly catch Corona and die, because they will be OK.

People get the vaccine to avoid the godawful mess of what happens if I catch it, will I be forced to wear a mask if I don’t take it, will I carry the virus to my elderly parents, people who catch it can have symptoms that don’t go away for months, they don’t want to be quarantined for two weeks everytime they walk past somebody who sneezed, etc…

One jab and all that goes away. (admittedly there’s a minor concern about vaccine aftereffects, but that’s beside the point)

This is going to backlash on LA like a busted rubber band. Picture a million people all saying in unison “Hey! I got my shot so I don’t have to put up with this kind of crap!”

    And now becoming “So I can travel.”

    For example, Canada’s PM bowed to pressure, a lot of it from the tourism industry, and announced that a month from now US citizens and permanent residents can enter the country if they can prove they’ve been fully jabbed.

    People get jabbed because they believe that the risk associated with vaccination is less than the risk associated with the disease. The accumulating evidence locally and globally is that they have been mislead about their conditional risk of pathogenic progression and viral transmission, and the immediate and forward-looking efficacy and safety. of these emergency use vaccines.

    henrybowman in reply to georgfelis. | July 16, 2021 at 4:16 pm

    Except after the jab you can still catch it, you can still pass it to your elderly parents, and they’ll still make you wear a mask whenever they feel like it.
    The best you can say about the jab is that the rona may not kill you. But it already probably won’t kill you.

      mark311 in reply to henrybowman. | July 18, 2021 at 12:09 pm

      Actually it reduces the viral load as well so the likely hood of transmission is reduced as well. It’s not a guarantee but it’s statistically helpful

casualobserver | July 16, 2021 at 3:30 pm

Who needs science when you have the power of mandates and people control at your fingertips?

daniel_ream | July 16, 2021 at 3:33 pm

Absent any reference to the cycle count used for the PCR test, case counts are complete fabrications. Most health regions have been using cycle counts between 30 and 40, thus guaranteeing a false positive rate between 93% and 95%.

The Manitoba public health director indicated under oath that of the positive PCR test cases run with a cycle count of only 18, merely 50% produced viable viral loads in a lab culture test. A cycle count of 18 produces a 50% false positive rate.

And yet you think somehow they’re not lying to you about the vaccines, too.

    healthguyfsu in reply to daniel_ream. | July 16, 2021 at 4:38 pm

    That’s not true. Old tech uses a dye called SYBR green by Biorad that caused primer dimers to show up as false positives when an exponential rise occurs beyond cycle 35 (most people don’t run past 40).

    Here is why your statement is erroneous:
    -Half the cycle time does not half the false positive rate because the exponential inflection point is when you measure the case….its not a linear curve. In other words, just because 18 is roughly half of the 35 cycle count for primer dimers does not mean that 50% of the primer dimers are visible at that cycle count because of the exponential curve.

    -Again, SYBR green is old non-specific tech that can bind to any double stranded nucleic acid (which is what you get when your primer synthesizes a complement to the target sequence, but you can also get genomic DNA contamination, primer dimers, and some other oddities). I would certainly hope and expect that the probe assays used now are more sophisticated than SYBR green technologies. Also, if the result is run out on a gel the primer dimers will have a much lower band on the gel because they are much smaller than the amplicon of a complementary target sequence.

    That’s a lot of technical talk but suffice it to say that I know PCR very well and you are wrong here.

      healthguyfsu in reply to healthguyfsu. | July 16, 2021 at 4:41 pm

      Also, that’s for real time not gel based PCR. If an intercalating agent is used instead (like EtBr). You can still tell if its a fake or not because the primer dimer will be at a very diff place on the gel than the amplicon.

      willow in reply to healthguyfsu. | July 16, 2021 at 7:19 pm

      Question[s]: Was the cycle count decreased after Biden’s inauguration and if so, why?

      nordic_prince in reply to healthguyfsu. | July 16, 2021 at 7:25 pm

      Kary Mullis (inventor of the PCR test; won a Nobel Prize for that) indicated that the PCR was *never* intended to be used as a diagnostic. Yet that’s EXACTLY how it’s been abused.

      Also see https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OZbRcCJIhfs

        mark311 in reply to nordic_prince. | July 18, 2021 at 5:43 pm

        Nope he never said that, its a quote without a specific context which relates to the specific limitation with regard to testing for HIV

        Videos been debunked , already. Dr Sam Bailey is a total fraud, she’s busy trying to sell her book

      randian in reply to healthguyfsu. | July 17, 2021 at 12:24 am

      The bigger problem is fraud cooked into current stats. Known vaccinated individuals have a lower prescribed amplification level for PCR tests than unvaccinated individuals, thus artificially spiking positive test counts of unvaccinated individuals relative to vaccinated individuals. Inversely, it’s overstating the effectiveness of the vaccines.

healthguyfsu | July 16, 2021 at 4:31 pm

Fun times…TX and FL say Ha ha in a Nelson voice

Vaccines teach the body what to do if a virus gets in. Once you have immunity, exposure to the virus again means your body goes into action to quickly clear it.

However, it’s not a magic force field. It does nothing to prevent virus from getting into your body. You can still test positive, you can still have the virus multiply…until the immune system swings into gear and destroys it.

One more thing that makes LAC’s new mandate stupid, is the level of immunity already in the County. Back on May 25th, the county released it’s last estimate of immunity in the county: 62.5% already had some level of immunity.

To my surprise, they actually did the calculations correctly, counting all infections by using cases x multiplier. I didn’t do the math to pull out what multiplier it was, but it was significant. The CDC says for every “case” there are actually likely 4.3 infections. All those infections count when you are counting people with immunity.

Since May 25th, there have been 1.4 million more immunizations and about 65k more “cases”. There is some overlap between people who were infected and people who were immunized as well. If you assume that 30% of the vaccine went to people who are already immune, then in LA about 77% of people are already immune.

And studies out of Britain have the CFR of Delta(India) at about one-tenth that of Alpha(UK).

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Frank Hammond | July 17, 2021 at 5:23 pm

So just drive to Orange County and go out to eat and shop without a stupid face mask.

I was seeing patients today and they were Covid-skeptics and mask-skeptics. I kept staring at the girl’s mask. Eventually I saw – looking closely – it was a bunch of wire or string with beads with no cloth or filter. So she functionally had no mask at all on but it LOOKS like she’s wearing a mask! Brilliant! I went to Amazon and looked and bought some so I can look like I’m wearing a mask but breathing comfortably!

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