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Joe Biden’s BIG LIE About Republican Voter Suppression Is About Busting The Legislative Filibuster

Joe Biden’s BIG LIE About Republican Voter Suppression Is About Busting The Legislative Filibuster

Biden blabbering about “the most significant test of our democracy since the Civil War” is just an excuse to curtail liberty and destroy voting integrity.

Joe Biden and Democrats, urged on by the mainstream corporate media, are engaged in a dangerous theater of the absurd.

They have made alleged Republican voter suppression a centerpiece of their messaging. You know, like requiring some legitimate form of identification to vote, which not long ago was compared to Jim Crow 2.0 but now is accepted even by most Democrat politicians who can read the polling on the subject.

Then there was the Georgia law, which arguably expanded voting access. And now it’s Texas, which is so anti-democratic it “requires at least 9 hours/day of early voting during the early voting period, and requires 12 hours/day during the last week of early voting in large counties.”

None of this is real. No more real than Texas Democratic legislators claiming the situation is so grave that they fled to D.C. to preclude a quoram and thereby shut down the Texas legislature from acting on the voting law. They chanted “we shall overcome,” as if 12 hours of voting every day the final week of an election is Jim Crow 3.0.

But Joe Biden topped is all today with a speech claiming we are in a national emergency and our Democracy faces a threat from voting supression the likes of which we have not seen “since the Civil War”:

“We’re facing the most significant test of our democracy since the Civil War. That’s not hyperbole, since the Civil War.”

Biden is using these over-the-top threats of national emergency to trample the civil liberties of Americans who oppose Democrats. It’s exploitation and hyperbole for a reason.

But it’s more. It’s also a ploy to put pressure on Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema to back off their pledge not to bust the legislative filibuster standing in the way of Democrats nationalizing voting procedure, weakening anti-fraud provisions, and creating mail-in and other procedures open to manipulation. In other words, while Joe Biden claims he is defending voting rights, he is doing the opposite.

Greg Sargent at WaPo is a pretty good barometer of insider Democrat strategy. He gives away the game, it’s all about convincing Democrat holdouts on the filibuster to carve out an exception for Democrats’ voting legislation:

But if our democracy faces an existential threat — as Biden told us — then doesn’t it require him to prevail on Democrats to carve out an exception to the filibuster, to pass legislative fixes that will mitigate that threat? …

Once such a voter suppression-and-election subversion package has the backing of 50 Democratic Senators, it should get a vote. When Republicans filibuster it, Biden would then have to go to Manchin and Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.) and suggest it’s time to consider revising the filibuster to get this done, and if that doesn’t work, suspending it.

Yet Biden didn’t mention the filibuster in his speech.

Sen. Merkley tells me, however, that this needn’t preclude action. Merkley notes that by instructing Congress to get this done with great urgency, Biden is in effect telling the Senate Democratic caucus that they must find a way no matter what….

By elevating the threat with such alarm and investing it with such gravity, he has placed the bar high for himself, and has given us a standard to hold him to.

That’s it. That’s what all this theater of the absurd is about. Busting the filibuster so Democrats can destroy voting protections to their benefit.

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Yes, the liberals know that if they do not act now, they will never have another good chance to destroy the election process. They are turning into a minority party whose electoral chances are shrinking and are desperate to hold onto power.

The left ALWAYS projects their evil intentions onto the rest of us.

We’re now forewarned: this is no joke – don’t be surprised if we are facing martial law in a short while.

This nation is too disfunctional, too corrupt, and too divided. Secession is our only hope for freedom happiness. We need to leave the nentally diseased behind before they enslave us.

    It’s pretty obvious the FBI, DOJ, and military are being prepped and readied for martial law.

      mailman in reply to JHogan. | July 14, 2021 at 3:42 am

      As long as Democrats control most Government agencies and the media there will be no need for martial law.

    THE “BIG LIE” – DEFINED

    The “BIG LIE” is that not about the 2020 election. It’s trying to portray Jan 6 as an “Insurrection”

    But try as hard as they can – the DNC and Propagandists in the Media can’t make it stick. They were desperate to portray the death of Officer Sicknick as a murder by the rioters on Jan 6. And the spun that lie for months. Finally they could not keep it going any longer and had to reveal he died of “natural causes”. The also tried to portray it as violent and armed – but no gun was ever found in the Capitol. Any person with half a brain knows it is hard to have an real insurrection without guns and lots of ammunition. They used this “BIG LIE” as a pretext to impeach Trump again. Rushing as case that was already flimsy before all these facts came out.

    Still, they persist in pushing the BIG LIE. 80% of Democrats still believe there was an insurrection. By the way, as the true facts come out the number that believe the Insurrection lie keeps declining.

    The push the lie because they need it as the pretext for purging conservatives and their witch hunt on Americans who don’t go along with their Woke and Broke policies.

    “…don’t be surprised if we are facing martial law in a short while.”

    That will be the most significant threat since the War Between the States and will more likely than not be a reason to start the second War Between the States.

Meanwhile inflation heats up and the economy continues to crumble.

Incidentally, I don’t believe the Joseph Goebbels media’s recent spate of “Inflation is good!” stories is going to help. Either they codify into law the massive cheating they used to win in 2020, or they risk getting blown out by the starving proles in 2022.

Now if only the Congressional GOP would stop rubber-stamping whatever insanity the Communists cook up and try to act like an actual opposition party….

    McConnell needs to get the boot from GOP leadership. So does that loser Rona Romney. Kevin McCarthy has come alive to some degree, but he’s weak tea.

    Trump is the gold standards. De Santis is silver. Tom Cotton, Jim Jordan are bronze.

    The rest of the GOP is tin.

      I think the problem with the GOP is that they are so used to operating the way they do that when someone like Trump came along and upset the apple cart these clowns couldn’t handle the challenge to their power.

      So they did the only thing they could do, the undermined and subverted Trump at every opportunity to the point of deliberately giving Congress away to Democrats. That then allowed Democrats to control house investigations and really amp up their politically inspired witch hunt (which only confirmed that Trump was the cleanest fucker to have ever been in the White House).

Every segment of the culture is now devoted to 24/7 gaslighting. DC will never hold itself accountable for the level of corruption that saturates every institution. Removing the power of voting is but one more piece of the globalist puzzle.

ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE IS HERE

Biden’s speech was a declaration of war on middle America. Boot-lickers of the Media have told Biden that he is the next FDR and he wants his Dec 7th moment. It does not matter whether it is a manufactured “insurrection” or an attack on Pearl Harbor – he wants an enemy.

To Biden, Jan 6 is his Dec 7. His gratuitous reference to “civil war” is meant to rally his woke troops to the fight. It is the Dem dog-whistle. They are brainwashed ZOMBIES. Their brains have been eaten away. They no longer have capacity for logic or reason.

Their bodies still function. Some appear normal on the outside. But inside they want to kill and eat every one who waves an American flag or says the word Liberty. The only ones they hate more than themselves are those who pray to God or cite the Constitution.

Why does the filibuster exist and persist? Because it makes individual senators much more powerful than they otherwise would be. Without the filibuster, everything would be dictated by party leadership, just like it is in the House. With the filibuster, an individual senator can stop something or slow it down, and force the leadership to make a deal with him (or her). Of course, this is only true if the Senate is close to 50:50. If one side gets a supermajority, then the filibuster does not matter anymore.

    Eastwood Ravine in reply to The_Mew_Cat. | July 14, 2021 at 1:15 am

    Odds are long the Senate will remain 50/50 for the current cycle. All it takes is one Senator to die in a State where the governor of the opposition party can appoint a replacement. Each State has different requirements for appointment, special elections, or even the seat remaining vacant until a special election.

    If it happens to a Democrat Senator, I can’t even imagine how bad they’ll get.

      We will have to see how Mark Kelly fares in the end of his Special Election term which puts him up for election to a full term in 2022. Hope the dumbazz GOP doesn’t put McSally up for a third time. Third time isn’t always “charm time”, particularly with a candidate who has shown an inability to win twice before.

        henrybowman in reply to Edward. | July 14, 2021 at 7:21 pm

        If McSally is nominated again, the shooting war will begin here in Arizona, and the Republican voters will kick it off.

After all the media writhing about Trump being a nazi during his administration, the real Nazis are showing their hand. Of course the media is no where to be found.

That’s it. That’s what all this theater of the absurd is about. Busting the filibuster so Democrats can destroy voting protections to their benefit.

So the radical leftwing socialist/Marxist takeover and coup can be completed and power secured and consolidated… Forever.

And if that doesn’t work declare a national emergency — white supremacist extremist terrorist threats, and right-wing extremist attempts to destroy election integrity, and so on and so forth. And then suspend the 2022 elections. And many of those pesky rights specified in the Constitution. It’s obvious they’re getting the FBI, DOJ, and DOD prepped and all on board with something like this.

The Dems/socialists/Marxists have no intention of ever giving up the power they now have again. What happened in 2016 wasn’t supposed to happen. Trump wasn’t supposed to happen. And they intend to do whatever it takes to make sure nothing like that ever happens again.

The GOP should make it clear that if the filibuster is suspended, then it won’t come back when the Republicans have the majority

    mailman in reply to geronl. | July 14, 2021 at 3:48 am

    I suspect the main issue here is to many “old” style Republicans who have no spines and or weak knees. You just know they will come back in the name of some bullshit like fairness.

      NYBruin in reply to mailman. | July 14, 2021 at 10:47 am

      They will look at the polling in their state and vote accordingly. The single most important issue to politicians – at any level – is keeping their jobs.

    Edward in reply to geronl. | July 14, 2021 at 12:30 pm

    The Socialist/Communists are sure that if they can get rid of the filibuster they won’t have to worry about the GOP using that lack against them in future because the GOP will never have a Senate majority again.

My bats#!t crazy liberal Uncle used to fantasize about GWB
“Hanging from a noose” and would get highly agitated talking about it.
We would bait him into it and abandon him when he started.
He asked me “Don’t you just want to see him beheaded?” To which I replied “no.. I don’t want to see a US President done that way.”.
Never felt like Pepper about a President….not even Obama.
Until now…..

The article seems to miss the broad swath of electoral laws and there consequences. As well as the ongoing affects to pick sycophantic republicans to electoral boards and limit descending voices. It’s interesting that one of the links within WaPo article is on this very subject. The narrative within the article is highly selective. It’s also clear that it doesn’t take responsibility for the overwhelming problem with the narrative, that is there wasn’t any meaningful election fraud so why is there an attack on voting rights on that basis?

    You lost me at ‘Mark311’.

    mailman in reply to mark311. | July 14, 2021 at 3:51 am

    Then lets have the full forensic audit if you are so confident there was no voter fraud.

    As you dumb fucks on the left are fond of saying, if you didnt break the law then you shouldn’t be afraid of door knocks at 2am.

      mark311 in reply to mailman. | July 14, 2021 at 5:21 am

      There have been numerous court cases (including some where ‘evidence’ was presented, hand recounts, audits and forensic audits on numerous counties and states. This has affirmed the election result in practically every case. So at some point it becomes pointless.

      Yeah I don’t know anyone who would make the claim that it’s acceptable to have 2AM knocks on the door for no reason at all. Most people would expect there to be some evidence before having there liberty and rights infringed upon. In this case the case for fraud is so poor that a number of those making the accusation if fraud are now under investigation for trying to profit on the fraud narrative. In other words those spinning the fraud lie are themselves fraudsters.

      Tell you what you prove that you aren’t so dumb that you shouldn’t be put in a mental asylum then tell me that standard works. The idea that there should be endless investigations on voter fraud is absurd given the wholesale lack of evidence of fraud on any meaningful scale.

        mailman in reply to mark311. | July 14, 2021 at 9:14 am

        There have been NO court cases that have looked at voter fraud. In each and every case the courts bent over backwards to NOT take the cases coming up with such novel arguments as stating the litigants as having no standing because the election had already been held!

        But as I have already said…if you are SOOOOO fucking confident NO fraud has occurred then you have absolutely nothing to fear in carrying out a full forensic audit of the results.

        The fact Democrats are fighting this with every fibre of their being tells you all you really need to know.

          mark311 in reply to mailman. | July 14, 2021 at 10:46 am

          @mailman

          That isn’t true at all for example Bailey v. Antrim Cty, Bally v. Whitmer, Costantino v. Detroit, Donald J. Trump for President v. Benson (Federal court), King v. Whitmer, Stoddard v. City Election Comm’n of the City of Detroit.

          There have been forensic audits for example Michigan.

          As I said its a gigantic waste of tax payer money on an unsubstantiated conspiracy theory. Feel free to pay for it yourself but otherwise no.

          The issue is there is no case, care to explain why you are acting like a cry baby. You don’t seem to be able to take in the fact there is virtually no credible evidence of election fraud in 2020. The question is therefore why you would make the claim at all. So I ask why do you think there is election fraud?

          @Fishstick

          Michigan did forensic audits.

          Still got no evidence for your assertion

          The case presented to the courts lacked evidence so what exactly were they supposed to do?

          You have a circular argument, in order to justify a forensic audit you need to have a basis on which to have one. In some cased hand recounts and audits AND forensic audits were carried out in line with state laws and the merits of case. In each case the recounts etc did not functionally matter in terms of the result or make a case for fraud.

          “what it all boils down to is this: none of these ballots held any distinguishable markers from another, no signatures were verified then cross-checked to the district they were casted in, and in many states judges threw out them even matching at all” Again there isn’t evidence of this.

          “all these audits you keep preaching about are just re-recounts of already casted ballots”

          Forensic audits are not merely a hand recount

          “yet what most people don’t realize is – much of the above is impossible to even prove because of the process used for these mail-in ballots, because once that sheet of paper leaves the envelope, it is just like any other ballot, legitimate or otherwise”

          Mail in ballots are secure, This link provides a strong description of the lack of fraud and how mail in ballots are secured https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/mail-ballot-security-features-primer

          “everything got caught up in covid-mania and all caution many conservatives were pointing out 8 months prior was thrown to the wayside, and even ignored by Trump as he signed bill after bill put on his desk”

          Trumps own appointee stated clearly the 2020 election was the most secure ever.

          “then on election night, you have entire cases of ballots delivered in the hundreds of thousands, all being cast for the Democrat candidate during the dead of night when the poll watchers are conveniently not around”

          Again no evidence that this is true.

          “and even then, the poll watchers by many state laws – including Georgia – were not allowed direct access to the tables at which these ballot envelopes were opened, as they got carted off to the side to watch from a corner afar”

          Either 6 or 12 ft, i forget which

          “but going back to the so-called audits taking place – unless you are actually cross-verifying each ballot back to each respected envelope then signature verifying that to a district registry with a tally being kept… well then any audit not done in that manner is no audit at all”

          Still need some evidence of any fraud or issue. At the present time that’s not the case. Its also the case that you would expect anomalies in the tallies of voters if that was the case. There weren’t any discovered.

          “yet the above is impossible to do at such a late stage because the inherent problem in the first place was the mail-in system used being one so fundamentally flawed in its unverifiable manner

          and THAT was by design”

          Demonstrably false , no evidence of fraud, mail in ballots have features which make it reasonably secure.

          Summary: No evidence has been presented just a series of assertions, some of which have been debunked.

          fishstick in reply to mailman. | July 14, 2021 at 1:44 pm

          @mark311

          again you are mistaking re-recounts as to a forensic audit of pairing ballot to envelope, of pairing signature to registered person, and of pairing registry to vicinity of vote casted

          the is what a true audit process would detail out, again which considering how you replied to my post went well over your head

          again, let me be clear in as few words as possible – none of these so-called audits are actually audits

          they are just recounts of the same ballots, over and over, and being called “audits” by those on the left as to prove there was no election fraud

          and as far as my knowledge goes, no tax payer money has yet to be spent on the obvious irregularities in this past 2020 election, in contrast to having an entire special counsel involved – that was later expanded then broadened in scope – over the matter of Trump Russia collusion that we later learn was based on fabricated material that was pushed through a secret court

          you had a phony dossier, bar room talk between a couple foreign nationals, and a falsified document serve as the foundation for a 2-year witch hunt that expanded into dealings with 100s of Trump associates that had nothing to do with the 2016 election… all paid for by the tax payers

          vs HERE where you had 4 instances of 70,000+ voter swings in at the dead of night, 100% of the vote going to Biden in key battleground states

          this cannot be disputed

          vs testimonies of people with first hand accounts of mail-in ballots being moved in boxes, one even across state lines, later treated by blue judges as hearsay evidence

          almost a total 180 where a third-hand accounting was treated as the basis for an impeachment fisaco

          vs those very same judges do legal gymnastics to avoid having an audit, even up to the Supremes, in declaring cases moot on partisan technicalities, dismissing on evidentiary grounds when districts are preventing evidence from being collected, and ruling on grounds of lack of standing even to States themselves

          the credible evidence you so think doesn’t exist is that ALL of these things did happened which cannot be explained as technicalities in mail service or computer glitches

          a single instance of a 90,000 vote swing going to a single candidate is an irregularity, not a circular argument

          because never in the history of US politics has that ever happened, only in this one

          and it happened in like 3 other instances across state lines

          that is not a circular argument or reporting – which is what the feds used to spy on the Trump campaign back in 2016 by leaking intel to the media to create news stories as evidence that said intel had solid ground

          furthermore to even imply that judges didn’t strike down signature verification for these mail-in ballots is quite asinine

          very simple google searches can show you otherwise

          further-furthermore, there was no verification process for this mail-in system

          see when I go to vote, I have to pass 5 different checks in order to do so:
          – I have to be registered to vote within a certain district
          – I can only vote within predetermined areas within said district line
          – I must present physical ID upon voting within said predetermined area
          – I must place my signature onto a piece of paper before my voting
          – and that piece of paper is tallied onto 2 more as witness account
          – only then do I get to vote

          NONE of the above happens with mail-in voting
          – there were no markers on these ballot to distinguish them from another
          – and signature verification on the envelope (not ballot) was later nixed

          that means compared to my legitimate vote that is dutifully recorded, the mail-in ballot has none of those checks on the system

          the only thing that mattered was that the envelope was signed – no matter by who – and that it was stamped “correctly”… which was also later recanted by another blue judge to allow postdated ballots to be counted

          THAT is a system of fraudulence

          mark311 in reply to mailman. | July 14, 2021 at 4:32 pm

          @fishticks

          I gave examples of where genuine examples of forensic audits have taken place, you describing what a forensic audit may or may not be has nothing to do with it. The official record is that recounts, audits and forensic audits have happened in various counties and/or states. You don’t get to pretend they were something else. There are specific criteria for what counts as a hand recount , an audit and a forensic audit hence why I listed all three.

          With regard to tax payer money except the AZ ‘audit’ all the recounts etc have been at the tax payer expense as far as I’m aware.

          “HERE where you had 4 instances of 70,000+ voter swings in at the dead of night, 100% of the vote going to Biden in key battleground states”

          That’s absolutely disputed since there is fuck all evidence of that unless you are refering to the well documented counting of mail in ballots which occurred at specific times. Those swings were predicted before the election because people who know what they are talking about understood how the election actually worked.

          “testimonies of people with first hand accounts of mail-in ballots being moved in boxes, one even across state lines, later treated by blue judges as hearsay evidence”

          The testimony was found not to be credible as per the court

          Im not going to go into Russia other than to say you are completely wrong. Given the amount of prison time various figures were given that’s pretty obviously a false assertion.

          “almost a total 180 where a third-hand accounting was treated as the basis for an impeachment fisaco”

          I’m not clear what the reference to a 180 is? With reference to impeachment there were reasonable grounds to proceed. It’s actually pretty arguable that the Republicans were to afraid of Trump and his base to do the right thing.

          “vs those very same judges do legal gymnastics to avoid having an audit, even up to the Supremes, in declaring cases moot on partisan technicalities, dismissing on evidentiary grounds when districts are preventing evidence from being collected, and ruling on grounds of lack of standing even to States themselves”
          As stated clearly there have been recounts, audits and forensic audits where justified or required by state law. In those cases the difference between the original count and the recount /audit /forensic audit findings have been minimal.

          Again a number of cases which I’ve directly referred to had ‘evidence’ presented to the courts all of which was found to be ludicrously poor hence why there is now potential for the disbarring of some of the Trump legal team and has actually happened to Guilliani.

          It’s also a falsehood to whimsically wave of valid legal reasons to dismiss a case. The US isn’t a banana republican it has laws and you’ll find that even the Trump appointed judges thought that the case was a complete nonsense.

          “Single instance of a 90,000 vote swing going to a single candidate i”

          Again well understood if you knew how elections actually worked.

          Wth regard to signiture matching it’s good that it was thrown out given the high rate in which an authentic signiture is rejected. It’s entirely subjective.

          “THAT is a system of fraudulence”

          I presented an article that describes.the security measures in place of mail in ballots, experts disagree with your statement that mail in ballots are prone to fraud. Indeed Trumps own appointee dealing with election security said the election was the most secure ever. I would also point out that the rate of fraud is extremely low.

          fishstick in reply to mailman. | July 15, 2021 at 9:48 am

          @mark311

          “I gave examples of where genuine examples of forensic audits have taken place, you describing what a forensic audit may or may not be has nothing to do with it. The official record is that recounts, audits and forensic audits have happened in various counties and/or states. You don’t get to pretend they were something else. There are specific criteria for what counts as a hand recount , an audit and a forensic audit hence why I listed all three.”

          again, none of those that you listed are actual forensic audits, the process of which I detailed out for you twice

          they are just recounts being called “audits”

          to type it yet again – an audit of a ballot would pair it to the signed envelope, whose signature would be verified with a registry, and the registry back to district of vote casted

          none of this is happening in the cases you are presenting

          “With regard to tax payer money except the AZ ‘audit’ all the recounts etc have been at the tax payer expense as far as I’m aware.”

          again, you saying ‘this’ isn’t proof of tax payers actually footing the bill, which means districts or even state officers are involved

          as far as I’m aware, again from various google searches on the matter, none of these recounts are being done at the expense of the State, meaning that the government/taxpayer is NOT footing the bill

          what these means is these recounts were privately funded by outside parties

          “That’s absolutely disputed since there is fuck all evidence of that unless you are refering to the well documented counting of mail in ballots which occurred at specific times. Those swings were predicted before the election because people who know what they are talking about understood how the election actually worked.”

          yet none of those kind of swings has ever occurred in American politics

          when you have 90,000 votes ALL going one direction and ALL through a single process, that is what common sense calls an irregularity

          not a predictable outcome, well unless you are assuming they are cooked up in the first place

          “The testimony was found not to be credible as per the court”

          yet the ruling was a blue judge said that a first hand accounting was hearsay? the point of it being credible is up to an investigation to uncover or for a jury to decide on

          which never happened because the judge arbitrarily decided, “no”

          “Im not going to go into Russia other than to say you are completely wrong. Given the amount of prison time various figures were given that’s pretty obviously a false assertion.”

          well I don’t blame you here because of how the devil in the details of this whole love affair you libs had with “Russia, Russia, Russia” was later exposed as complete bullshit

          it is not false assertions when the very same people who launched and were leading the probes later had to admit there was no evidence of said conduct

          after 2+ years and a million documents later, Mueller testified no collusion… well when he wasn’t saying “not under my purview”

          Comey and Rosenstein had to later admit there was no basis for the Trump investigation and that the information used was 1) never verified and 2) later falsified

          the FISA judges had to later begrudgingly admit they were led astray by falsified documents

          even Crowdstrike reps later had to admit they had no evidence of Russians even hacking the DNC servers

          ALL the while the Democrats (and the media) were trying to bury said testimonies from ever being heard

          “I’m not clear what the reference to a 180 is? With reference to impeachment there were reasonable grounds to proceed. It’s actually pretty arguable that the Republicans were to afraid of Trump and his base to do the right thing.”

          there was hardly any reasonable grounds to proceed when the very person Trump was supposedly strong-arming said there was none

          plus it was a third-hand account of a second-hand account that was initially used as the cause for impeachment, which is hearsay

          now compared to a Pennsylvania judge dismissing on grounds of lack of foundation based on first-hand accounts, calling their testimony hearsay

          I would point out it is far more ‘arguable’ to state the first Trump impeachment was entirely a political farce to appease their own rabid base

          what say you?

          “Again a number of cases which I’ve directly referred to had ‘evidence’ presented to the courts all of which was found to be ludicrously poor hence why there is now potential for the disbarring of some of the Trump legal team and has actually happened to Guilliani.”

          so do tell us what ‘evidence’ was presented in these courtrooms outside of ballot counting to disprove everything was on the up and up?

          was there an audit of signatures compared against registered persons?

          when courts just flat out decide to stick their fingers in their ears and shout “na-na-na-na” on meritless grounds of – judge: “well you need to prove to me 100% that there is fraud.” lawyer: “but judge, we can’t because all access to the information needed to prove so is being held up by the various precincts who are blocking our access to it. we need court order permission to further examine any discrepancies to be had in their records.” judge: “I don’t want to hear it! case dismissed.”

          “It’s also a falsehood to whimsically wave of valid legal reasons to dismiss a case. The US isn’t a banana republican it has laws and you’ll find that even the Trump appointed judges thought that the case was a complete nonsense.”

          you actually got it backwards – the judges are the problem and is the reason the US is becoming a banana republic

          when on one hand you have the feds conducting secret surveillance on a republican candidacy then transition team which then transitions into a 2-year probe into all things Trump – that further went off the rails as it pertains to election interference – with it ALL based on unverified information done by a foreign national who hates Trump, a spoken line between 2 other foreigners in a bar, and a falsified document, also done through a secret court and paid for by the tax payers mind you

          THIS above was treated as the basis for real federal probe that likely would still be going on had the Democrats gained control of the Senate back in 2018

          now compare this to obvious irregularities of tens of thousands of vote tally changes in States during the dead of night, ALL flipping one way and all occurring through a single voting process

          then the very same judges who dismissed signature verification for this process and in some cases extended the previous set deadline for votes to be counted for months on end after, are now the very same judge/s now hearing of these irregularities in their courtroom

          THAT is more of what happens in a banana republic, which I’m sad to say many states in this country sadly operate

          “Again well understood if you knew how elections actually worked.
          Wth regard to signiture matching it’s good that it was thrown out given the high rate in which an authentic signiture is rejected. It’s entirely subjective.”

          or it’s fraud

          I know exactly how voting should be done, as I’ve listed how my legitimate vote done in my district is compared to a mail-in one

          I mean I’m harshly critical of my state of Louisiana – which I think is a shit hole – but the one thing we do right is voting

          “I presented an article that describes.the security measures in place of mail in ballots, experts disagree with your statement that mail in ballots are prone to fraud. Indeed Trumps own appointee dealing with election security said the election was the most secure ever. I would also point out that the rate of fraud is extremely low.”

          except you contradicted yourself in the previous paragraph stating signature verification is ‘unreliable’ and that it was a good thing the judges threw it out

          again – there is no comparison to how I voted in my district of being registered a specific district, going to a predetermined location and presenting physical ID then signing a piece of paper that is also recorded by two witnesses,

          vs to how a mail-in ballot is casted and counted where even the most basic verification was thrown out by some judges in blue states

        fishstick in reply to mark311. | July 14, 2021 at 9:21 am

        except you can do simple google searches to show that no forensic audit had ever been performed in any recount of the lawsuits listed

        simply recounting a ballot over and over isn’t an audit of said ballot

        the problem inherent is the actual method in which many ballots in 2020 were cast, and in that the judges – most in blue states – later rejected the one single method implemented to ensure its integrity

        then the highest court in the land punted on various technicalities in one hand saying states had no standing to challenge other states on their election laws and the other saying there is no quantitative proof, except they keep rejecting attempts to have real audits in the first place to be done by court order to find the proof on the grounds there is no “proof”

        what it all boils down to is this: none of these ballots held any distinguishable markers from another, no signatures were verified then cross-checked to the district they were casted in, and in many states judges threw out them even matching at all

        all these audits you keep preaching about are just re-recounts of already casted ballots

        but it doesn’t address the heart of this issue, which is the new focus point for these recent state laws

        yet what most people don’t realize is – much of the above is impossible to even prove because of the process used for these mail-in ballots, because once that sheet of paper leaves the envelope, it is just like any other ballot, legitimate or otherwise

        it isn’t like the fraudulent ballot has a neon sticker on it saying its tally is a dupe or was illegally casted

        BUT that in itself was the fraud, something aided by the judges, in there being no checks and balances made to protect the integrity of the process done by this cycle

        everything got caught up in covid-mania and all caution many conservatives were pointing out 8 months prior was thrown to the wayside, and even ignored by Trump as he signed bill after bill put on his desk

        see in my state (Louisiana), I have to not just be registered to vote within a certain district, I have to show physical ID before even getting a card to access a voting machine

        every single time I go to vote, THIS above happens and I cannot go to a district in New Orleans to cast my vote

        and not only that, there are 3 workers per station keeping a physical tally/record of those who show up to vote

        the mail-in ballot system has none the above, especially when you have judges dismiss signature verification – which was suppose to be the one check against this system – weeks before the election begins and all these ballots could be casted freely by dropping them in any box within state lines

        then on election night, you have entire cases of ballots delivered in the hundreds of thousands, all being cast for the Democrat candidate during the dead of night when the poll watchers are conveniently not around

        and even then, the poll watchers by many state laws – including Georgia – were not allowed direct access to the tables at which these ballot envelopes were opened, as they got carted off to the side to watch from a corner afar

        but going back to the so-called audits taking place – unless you are actually cross-verifying each ballot back to each respected envelope then signature verifying that to a district registry with a tally being kept… well then any audit not done in that manner is no audit at all

        yet the above is impossible to do at such a late stage because the inherent problem in the first place was the mail-in system used being one so fundamentally flawed in its unverifiable manner

        and THAT was by design

          mark311 in reply to fishstick. | July 15, 2021 at 4:53 am

          Do you have any source that makes a coherent claim for fraud. So far you’ve listed items that have been long debunked. Its such a joke that people are going to be disbarred for the demonstrably false statements made.

          Still waiting for that kraken …

          fishstick in reply to fishstick. | July 15, 2021 at 9:59 am

          I’ve addressed this many times above

          when all the evidence is being restricted by the various voting districts – run by democrats mind you – and judges not allowing access based on meritless grounds, then proving it is next to impossible

          because having only access to the ballot does nothing, investigators need access not only to the envelopes but the registrars itself

          which is being held up by the courts

          “Still waiting for that kraken …”

          we still waiting on that bombshell of Trump Russia collusion

          where is it?

          mark311 in reply to fishstick. | July 15, 2021 at 12:05 pm

          @fishticks

          “I’ve addressed this many times above”
          All of which have been debunked if you’d bothered to read what I wrote.

          “when all the evidence is being restricted by the various voting districts”
          What restrictions

          “judges not allowing access based on meritless grounds, then proving it is next to impossible”

          A number of cases have heard evidence all of which has been shown to be either not credible, speculation, error strewn nonsense or outright lies. Hence why lawyers on the Trump legal team are likely to be disbarred.

          “because having only access to the ballot does nothing, investigators need access not only to the envelopes but the registrars itself”
          I think you mean the tabulators not the registrars, this is implicitly checked in a post election audit since the ballots are tallied with the tabulated results by hand. or by images of the ballot.

          “we still waiting on that bombshell of Trump Russia collusion”

          The senate intelligence committee has already noted in there report on the matter that there was collusion between Manafort and a Russian state proxy, its also the case that the Trump camp actively met a group of Russians looking for dirt on the Clinton campaign. Trump has already admitted that stating that (I paraphrase) ‘Who wouldn’t accept dirt on a rival’. That’s matter of record.

          fishstick in reply to fishstick. | July 15, 2021 at 2:17 pm

          “All of which have been debunked if you’d bothered to read what I wrote.”

          again, none of which is debunked because you cannot (or want to) admit there was no actual audit of these ballots

          it is just recounts, which doesn’t get to the heart of the issue in the reason for all these new state election changes

          “What restrictions”

          well for 1) how about all the judges dismissing the lawsuits to audit the ballots and 2) no court order compliances of the former in these blue districts that held all these irregularities

          “A number of cases have heard evidence all of which has been shown to be either not credible, speculation, error strewn nonsense or outright lies. Hence why lawyers on the Trump legal team are likely to be disbarred.”

          no – they haven’t been heard, they’ve been dismissed based on various rulings of lack of standing, moots on grounds of election being over, and other legal gymnastics in them (judges) not wanting audits to occur

          it is wonky, you would think a 90,000 vote tally here – all going to a single candidate – a 70,000 vote tally there – again all going to a single candidate – would be like dead body with flies around it to start a murder investigation

          but for some crazy reason the system works ass backwards when it comes to proving election fraud where the litigators need to unequivocal prove there is fraud before an investigation can even begin

          mind you that all the information needed to verify votes cast is held within district registries – again where all the irregularities occurred are run by democrats – and those are being blocked by security laws

          you cannot get into them without court orders, and the judges are blocking any and all access to this on really meritless grounds

          BUT just to show you the double standard – which flew right over your head – I compared that to what launched a 2-year probe all on the taxpayer dime and what served as its basis

          a literal phony dossier of unverified and uncollaborated information, bar talk between two foreign nationals, and an altered document used to spy on the Trump campaign

          “I think you mean the tabulators not the registrars, this is implicitly checked in a post election audit since the ballots are tallied with the tabulated results by hand. or by images of the ballot.”

          again – post election audit doesn’t mean tallying ballots cast

          that is simply a recount of the vote

          audits are detailed accounts in verification of single ballots

          and no you misunderstood the entire context (again)

          I meant registrars – or rather registries – where the information needed to compare signatures and addresses would lay

          tabulators are just people arranging data, I’m referring to the databases themselves and not those counting

          “The senate intelligence committee has already noted in there report on the matter that there was collusion between Manafort and a Russian state proxy, its also the case that the Trump camp actively met a group of Russians looking for dirt on the Clinton campaign. Trump has already admitted that stating that (I paraphrase) ‘Who wouldn’t accept dirt on a rival’. That’s matter of record.”

          nice dodge there of the matters on record of those who pushed the conspiracy the hardest in having to admit under oath – and threat of perjury – that there was never any evidence there of any Trump Russia collusion

          Manafort talking with a Russian diplomat isn’t collusion and it hardly meets the requirements to launch a state espionage on your political opponent

          on 5 different occasions, those closest to the Mueller probe had to admit under oath that there was never any factual basis to ever launch that investigation

          and the fact there was no reprimand on any of these characters that lied to the courts and the American people for almost 2 years and even used their prosecutory powers of the special counsel to go after Trump associates not even affiliated with his election campaign was a massive abuse of power

          heck even the DNC hired firm of Crowdstrike who pushed out reports saying their server was hacked by Russians later had to admit they never had any physical evidence of it

          it was all speculation based upon more speculation

          most people don’t realize this – including you – but the Mueller team ended up parsing through a million documents and hundreds of individuals right up until the 2018 election, nearly all of which ended up in no charges and wasted effort in looking for the smallest infraction to charge

          two Russian firms even showed up to American courts to answer the trumped up charges the Mueller team shoved on them

          and both ended in dismissals

          yet in comparison we have the equivalent of three to five dead bodies rotting on the ground in voting irregularities and the courts can’t seem to think a case is there to be made

          but the FISA courts signed off on (I think) six different warrants to spy on the Trump team… only for them to later state – and rather begrudgingly so – that they had been misled

          mark311 in reply to fishstick. | July 16, 2021 at 9:14 am

          “again, none of which is debunked because you cannot (or want to) admit there was no actual audit of these ballots

          it is just recounts, which doesn’t get to the heart of the issue in the reason for all these new state election changes”

          Yes there were, there were multiple audits

          https://sos.ga.gov/index.php/elections/historic_first_statewide_audit_of_paper_ballots_upholds_result_of_presidential_race

          https://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,4670,7-127–557605–,00.html

          https://www.media.pa.gov/pages/State-details.aspx?newsid=453

          “What restrictions”

          well for 1) how about all the judges dismissing the lawsuits to audit the ballots and 2) no court order compliances of the former in these blue districts that held all these irregularities”

          With reference to 1) I assume you are referring to country Antrim which had already had both a hand recount and an audit. The change in result was 11 votes.

          With reference to 2) I’m not clear what exactly you are saying here?

          “A number of cases have heard evidence all of which has been shown to be either not credible, speculation, error strewn nonsense or outright lies. Hence why lawyers on the Trump legal team are likely to be disbarred.”

          no – they haven’t been heard, they’ve been dismissed based on various rulings of lack of standing, moots on grounds of election being over, and other legal gymnastics in them (judges) not wanting audits to occur

          That is demonstrably false – read the god damn judgements look at county Antrim for example. I’ve given you a list of cases, have you even bothered to look at the details of them?!

          it is wonky, you would think a 90,000 vote tally here – all going to a single candidate – a 70,000 vote tally there – again all going to a single candidate – would be like dead body with flies around it to start a murder investigation

          Again as I’ve explained all this is is the mail in ballots figures being reported. The demographics are such that overwhelmingly that Democrats prefer mail in ballots. As I’ve said well known, well understood and absolutely not evidence of fraud.

          but for some crazy reason the system works ass backwards when it comes to proving election fraud where the litigators need to unequivocal prove there is fraud before an investigation can even begin

          No one is asking for unequivocal proof, all that’s being asked is for some credible proof. None so far.

          mind you that all the information needed to verify votes cast is held within district registries – again where all the irregularities occurred are run by democrats – and those are being blocked by security laws

          Again you don’t have nay evidence of this.as for being blocked by security laws that to prevent tampering which is exactly what’s happened in the AZ ‘audit’

          you cannot get into them without court orders, and the judges are blocking any and all access to this on really meritless grounds

          Unless the ballots are looked at by an independent licensed company its really a no go. There have been serous chain of custody issues with the AZ ‘audit.

          BUT just to show you the double standard – which flew right over your head – I compared that to what launched a 2-year probe all on the taxpayer dime and what served as its basis

          Not really as I pointed out actual crimes were discovered by that probe including obstruction of justice by DT

          a literal phony dossier of unverified and uncollaborated information, bar talk between two foreign nationals, and an altered document used to spy on the Trump campaign

          Well the dossier was only part of the evidence base, it was a prompt sure but the fact is Trump indicted himself during public speech to being an utterly corrupt individual.

          “I think you mean the tabulators not the registrars, this is implicitly checked in a post election audit since the ballots are tallied with the tabulated results by hand. or by images of the ballot.”

          again – post election audit doesn’t mean tallying ballots cast

          Thats exactly what it means”Risk-limiting audits are required in Colorado, North Carolina, Rhode Island and Virginia.[27] These store voting machines’ interpretation of each ballot (“cast vote record”), collect them centrally over the internet, re-tally them with an independent computer to check totals, and hand-check a sample of the stored paper ballots to check voting machines’ interpretations. Samples are big enough to be sure results are accurate, up to an acceptable level of risk, such as 9%. For each audited race, if the original computer interpretations identified the wrong winner, there is a 9%[39] chance in Colorado that the audit will miss it,[41] and the wrong winner will take office. A lower risk limit would let fewer errors through, but would require larger sample sizes. Close races also require larger sample sizes. Colorado audits only a few races, and audits none of the closest races, which need the biggest samples. Auditing all races would require several counties to hand-count thousands of ballots each.

          If the samples do not confirm the initial results, more rounds of sampling may be done, but if it appears the initial results are wrong, risk-limiting audits require a 100% hand count to change the result, even if that involves hand-counting hundreds of thousands of ballots.[42]

          Colorado notes that they have to be extremely careful to keep ballots in order, or they have to number them, to be sure of comparing the hand counts with the machine records of those exact ballots.[43] Colorado says it has a reliable system to re-tally the records, but it is not yet publicly documented.[44] [41]

          In 2010, the American Statistical Association endorsed risk-limiting audits, to verify election outcomes.[45] With use of statistical sampling to eliminate the need to count all the ballots, this method enables efficient, valid confirmation of the outcome (the winning candidates). In 2011, the federal Election Assistance Commission initiated grants for pilot projects to test and demonstrate the method in actual elections.[46] In 2014, the Presidential Commission on Election Administration recommended the method for use in all jurisdictions following all elections, to reduce the risk of having election outcomes determined by undetected computer error or fraud.[47] In 2017, Colorado became the first state to implement risk-limiting audits statewide as a routine practice during the post-election process of certifying election results.”

          that is simply a recount of the vote

          audits are detailed accounts in verification of single ballots

          If you are referring to forensic audits then they are more in elation to the computer equipment here is an example of one in relation to 2020

          https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/maricopa-county-releases-forensic-audit-of-elections-equipment-no-irregularities-found

          and no you misunderstood the entire context (again)

          I meant registrars – or rather registries – where the information needed to compare signatures and addresses would lay

          tabulators are just people arranging data, I’m referring to the databases themselves and not those counting

          No in context of an election these are devices that scan and then store and counts the results

          “The senate intelligence committee has already noted in there report on the matter that there was collusion between Manafort and a Russian state proxy, its also the case that the Trump camp actively met a group of Russians looking for dirt on the Clinton campaign. Trump has already admitted that stating that (I paraphrase) ‘Who wouldn’t accept dirt on a rival’. That’s matter of record.”

          nice dodge there of the matters on record of those who pushed the conspiracy the hardest in having to admit under oath – and threat of perjury – that there was never any evidence there of any Trump Russia collusion

          Manafort talking with a Russian diplomat isn’t collusion and it hardly meets the requirements to launch a state espionage on your political opponent

          What providing political data on an opponent in order to benefit the DT campaign. Bearing in mind that Russia covertly supported DT’s campaign as well through WikiLeaks, the internet research agency etc. Its pretty obvious that there were well founded reasons to be concerned that Trump was acting inappropriately especially given this Ukraine phone call.

          on 5 different occasions, those closest to the Mueller probe had to admit under oath that there was never any factual basis to ever launch that investigation

          Link please, Im aware that the assertion has been made but its never been shown – at least never on the sites that i read.

          and the fact there was no reprimand on any of these characters that lied to the courts and the American people for almost 2 years and even used their prosecutory powers of the special counsel to go after Trump associates not even affiliated with his election campaign was a massive abuse of power.

          I’m not clear that’s true, with respect to one ex FBI lawyer has pled guilty. Otherwise its pretty clear from Trumps conduct and the evidentiary record that there wasn’t just probably cause but a basis on which to indict Trump. You do realise that Mueller found multiple instances of obstruction of justice don’t you? The only reason DT wasn’t indicted is because of DoJ policy.

          heck even the DNC hired firm of Crowdstrike who pushed out reports saying their server was hacked by Russians later had to admit they never had any physical evidence of it

          Physical evidence? No one was leaving paper notes saying we did it. This was a computer crime. This blog details crowdstrikes stance on the issue which is youll note backed up by a number of other sources

          https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/bears-midst-intrusion-democratic-national-committee/

          it was all speculation based upon more speculation.

          Nope no speculation about it the forensic reporting on the computers was reasonably conclusive.

          most people don’t realize this – including you – but the Mueller team ended up parsing through a million documents and hundreds of individuals right up until the 2018 election, nearly all of which ended up in no charges and wasted effort in looking for the smallest infraction to charge

          two Russian firms even showed up to American courts to answer the trumped up charges the Mueller team shoved on them

          and both ended in dismissals

          Cherry picking, the compete list is considerably more than 2 Russian companies, nor is it the case that it was just indictments there were plenty of convictions too

          https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/mueller-indictments-grand-jury

          yet in comparison we have the equivalent of three to five dead bodies rotting on the ground in voting irregularities and the courts can’t seem to think a case is there to be made

          Still no evidence

          but the FISA courts signed off on (I think) six different warrants to spy on the Trump team… only for them to later state – and rather begrudgingly so – that they had been misled

          yeah the FISA system sucks

      mark311 in reply to mailman. | July 14, 2021 at 5:32 am

      Oh btw you pay for a genuine forensic audit and I’ll happily have them done. Not sure the tax payer should pay for your fantasies though.

        Capsaicin_Addict in reply to mark311. | July 14, 2021 at 8:22 am

        Why not? Taxpayers pay for leftist fantasies all the time. You know, like CRT, ‘social justice’, etc.

          Gender studies in Pakistan. Pallets of cash for the mullahs.

          That’s debatable since if the claim is correct about CRT being in the curriculum that wouldn’t include any extra over cost since the teacher is still teaching the same amount. The extra over cost for a forensic audit per county is considerable, the fake audit in AZ was reportedly $150K dollars for 1 county.

        mailman in reply to mark311. | July 14, 2021 at 9:17 am

        We wish that was the only hurdle to holding forensic audits. But as we are seeing Democrats are doing everything possible to restrict access to voting data, hardware and personal as if they have something to hide.

        If there is nothing to fear Democrats wouldnt be doing everything possible to ensure forensic audits never take place. They understand the ramifications of fraud and how that places their control at risk.

          mark311 in reply to mailman. | July 14, 2021 at 11:06 am

          Can you provide one credible reason for carrying out a forensic audit on any county in the US. There we go, as charitable a test as I can think of.

          healthguyfsu in reply to mailman. | July 15, 2021 at 1:16 am

          Sure.

          There are mountains of statistical irregularities due simply to the unprecedented nature of ballot collection and voting processes in this election. That alone should be plenty of reason to conduct a legitimate non-partisan audit.

          The problem is that one party wants to conduct said audit and the other one is better served dropping the records into the bottom of the ocean because only bad for them can come from such an audit. The self-serving nature of this for Dem water carriers like yourself is disgusting.

          mark311 in reply to mailman. | July 15, 2021 at 1:49 am

          There were not statistical irregularities if you are refering to the sudden rise in Biden votes counted that was well understood and predicted because of how mail in ballots were counted. There is no evidence of any statistical irregularities.

          Again, most secure ever. That’s according to Trumps own appointee. The reality is there was no a vanishingly small rate of fraud.

          You have to make a case for carrying out further audits which you have roundly failed to do. How many times does a judge have to tell you that your case is utterly speculative or a Frankenstein’s monster, or that the testimony is not credible or that the reports provided in support are a dumpster fire.

          You have some gall calling others distrusting when you can’t even begin to justify limited fraud let along fraud that would swing the outcome of a single state. In fact it’s YOUR side that’s engaged in the disgusting behaviour peddling an obvious lie, with lawyers lying to the courts and to the public. The AZ ‘audit’ is a disgrace. The only fraudsters are the ones making themselves money of off the back of the lies.

          Your position seems to be to rehash claims that have long since been debunked , laughed out of court or generally been found to be nonsense.

        NYBruin in reply to mark311. | July 14, 2021 at 10:49 am

        The ongoing audit/recount in AZ is a bad joke.

          mark311 in reply to NYBruin. | July 14, 2021 at 10:52 am

          indeed, I feel very sorry for the folks who donated to get it going. It seems like they were defrauded to me.

          henrybowman in reply to NYBruin. | July 14, 2021 at 7:38 pm

          What do you know? You don’t even live here, it ain’t you money.

          For those of us who do, it was money well spent, even if all it did was to expose the RINO rot in our county Board of Supervisors.

          A FAR better and more worthwhile expenditure of funds than the left’s light-rail wet dream in Phoenix — $140-245 million per mile, plus a permanent subsidy of 65% of every rider’s fare — “infrastructure” which 95% of the people taxed will never even get to use.

          So take your “concern trolling” and shove it.

          mark311 in reply to NYBruin. | July 15, 2021 at 1:55 am

          Oh dear Henry, you seem to have been rather foolish. The AZ audit is a complete joke. It is by design unable to provide a credible result, it’s been carried out without reference to any standard forensic audit practise, or indeed legal requirements and is entirely partisan. It’s just not credible.

          I’m not clear what your examples have to do with the topic at hand which is you being defrauded by a known conspiracy theorist.

          Unlike you I tend to consider all fraudsters bad, even if that means showing some compassion for those who I have disagreements with about politics.

        healthguyfsu in reply to mark311. | July 15, 2021 at 1:13 am

        Above you tried to wave it off and say that “audits” had been done numerous times. Why are you twisting your logic into a pretzel to try and hand wave again, mark and now say a genuine audit hasn’t been done but should be paid for privately? Because you’re full of shit once again, that’s why!

        By the way, no amount of money for your fantasy “you pay for it” scenario can force those government records to be opened at this point if judges continue to stonewall legitimate analytical attempts to bring them to light…that was the due process denied to insure election integrity. Democracy, as your lib friends like to say, dies in darkness.

          mark311 in reply to healthguyfsu. | July 15, 2021 at 1:59 am

          Because audits have been done, that’s just a fact.

          Again it’s a fact that the AZ audit isn’t remotely an audit

          Why should the tax payer pay for something that has no credible basis?

          80 cases in court, including many that saw the supposed evidential case for fraud. I’ve referred to a number of cases where evidence was heard and yet you seem to pretend that Trumps legal team didn’t present cases. You seem to be blanking any aspect of the argument that you don’t like. Hate to point it out but you still have no case, no evidence , no argument , no mechanism in which to legitimately challenge the election.

    geronl in reply to mark311. | July 14, 2021 at 1:08 pm

    Limit dissenting voices? Isn’t that what the left has been doing? They basically want to outlaw dissent. Banned from Facebook and Twitter, emails censored and now they want to control what you can text… all controlled from The Party.

    Let’s face it. You can’t tell where the media, corporations, schools, bureaucracy and the Democrat are separate. They are all the same entity.

It’s 1 lie after another with these Puppeteers.

I love a good conspiracy as much as the next guy, but I’m doubtful about the filibuster comments. I predict the filibuster remains and HR1 doesn’t get signed into law. States will pass measures to protect elections and Democrats will still cheat, maybe not as easily as 2020.

    caseoftheblues in reply to r2468. | July 14, 2021 at 5:08 am

    “No meaningful election fraud”….🤣🤣🤣

    ….and yet you and every other leftist is covered in flop sweat at just the thought of a tweet existing discussing your fraud let alone the hundreds of thousands of fake votes the audits are turning up

      mark311 in reply to caseoftheblues. | July 14, 2021 at 5:28 am

      Yeah gonna have to do a lot better than that. Link to the audit that has found hundred of thousands of fake votes. Make sure it’s not Arizona becuase that’s not an audit that a partisan , non compliant joke set up by a conspiracy theorist to profit himself. The problems with that supposed audit are such that it’s results can only viewed as deeply problematic.

      What pisses the left of and I hate to point out many honest Republicans is that the narrative of election fraud has ZERO substance. The wide range of claims have been thoroughly debunked, the court cases have failed, the state investigations have shown no issues and now point to those pretending there is fraud as being the fraudsters.

      Explain this, the Trump legal Team’s defence in court of there frivolous conduct was that the first amendment gave them the right to LIE in court. That is to say that they have told lies to try and win there clients argument in court. Explain how that tallies with a good faith argument for electoral fraud. Explain why anyone should take that narrative seriously in light of the obvious misconduct of the Trump legal team. Guilliani being drunk again isn’t a good excuse BTW.

        geronl in reply to mark311. | July 14, 2021 at 1:10 pm

        The January 6 Pelosi Witch Hunt Committee is a partisan, untrustworthy endeavor.

          mark311 in reply to geronl. | July 14, 2021 at 4:41 pm

          Well if republicans had voted for the commission that was negotiated they would have had equal representation so it’s the Senate Republicans fault that it’s partisan.

          It’s an important process to go through, Jan 6th was a disgrace and can’t happen again.

          healthguyfsu in reply to geronl. | July 15, 2021 at 1:18 am

          Your daily breathing is a disgrace.

          Do the world a favor…

          mark311 in reply to geronl. | July 15, 2021 at 2:03 am

          @healthguysfu

          🤣😂😂 You mean you don’t like being shown to be wrong time and time again.

      I’m talking about “busting the filibuster.” I don’t think it will happen. What are you talking about?

    Neo in reply to r2468. | July 15, 2021 at 3:11 pm

    HR1 is worst legislation since the Peloponnesian War

Isn’t mark311 British? Or is it the other troll? Why do British trolls get angry about US elections? Well I am a Pennsylvanian who listened to the live hearing of people who testified about what they saw and others experienced in statistics who were never heard from by a court. And where a respected judge thought a constitutional case should go forward concerning changing the election law regarding mail in voting. She was overturned by the Pa Supreme Court on technical grounds. How many countries approve of mail in voting? And didn’t Democratic Senators warn of vote switching in Dominion machines before the election? How many courts looked at evidence and how many ruled on jurisdiction? And no Russian forced or tricked any Trump voter in the 2016 election. That was debunked by Rod Rosenstein.

    mark311 in reply to willow. | July 14, 2021 at 11:03 am

    Im American but live in the UK

    “experienced in statistics who were never heard from by a court” The reports were available to the court and were widely debunked.

    “How many countries approve of mail in voting?”
    Austria
    Australia
    Canada
    Finland
    France
    Germany
    Hungary
    India
    Indonesia
    Italy
    Malaysia
    Mexico
    Norway
    Philippines
    Spain
    Switzerland
    UK
    US

    “Democratic Senators warn of vote switching in Dominion machines before the election”

    Correct 4 democrat senators made the claim, that’s been refuted by independent experts

    “How many courts looked at evidence and how many ruled on jurisdiction” I refer to Bailey v. Antrim Cty, Bally v. Whitmer, Costantino v. Detroit, Donald J. Trump for President v. Benson (Federal court), King v. Whitmer, Stoddard v. City Election Comm’n of the City of Detroit.

    “And no Russian forced or tricked any Trump voter in the 2016 election. That was debunked by Rod Rosenstein.” I’m not clear how Rod Rosenstein could have debunked that claim since 12 Russians were indicted for interfering in the 2016 election. Its pretty well documented that the Internet Research Agency (a Russian state proxy) made considerable efforts to alter the election result. What is less clear is how effective those efforts were.

      geronl in reply to mark311. | July 14, 2021 at 1:10 pm

      How many countries require ID to vote? Nearly every single one.

        mark311 in reply to geronl. | July 14, 2021 at 4:43 pm

        I’d have to look up elsewhere but not in the UK, fraud is vanishingly rare here so no one serious considers it an issue. The fact is that in person voting fraud isn’t worth it, it’s not scalable and the voting system has built in checks. ID is pretty superfluous.

Isn’t it amazing how the fact checkers have all but disappeared.

Capsaicin_Addict | July 14, 2021 at 8:23 am

He keeps saying the quiet part out loud, lulz. ‘It’s who gets to count the votes’.

Sleepy Joe’s handlers must be popping Tums on a regular basis.

    Dems have to pass their laughably named “For the People’s Act” and get control over the elections (including who counts the votes), or they will lose in 2022 . . . says Rep. Clyburn. Politico via Redstate:

    South Carolina Rep. Jim Clyburn, one of President Joe Biden’s top congressional allies, is urging him to push for major changes to the Senate’s filibuster rules — because without swift passage of the Democrats’ election reform bill, the party “can kiss the majority goodbye.”

The d/progressive are flipping terrified. They can’t abide the thought that proof of machine style fraud occurred. Why? For the guilty and their enablers it puts them in legal jeopardy.

More importantly by far, IMO, are the ideologues who can’t stomach the idea that their worldview must resort to shenanigans to win. These folks will never willingly accept that the d/progressive machine in heavily d/progressive precincts routinely engage in fudging the numbers.

This happens every election. 2020 provided the opportunity for more widespread shenanigans via the unauthorized loosening of ballot security and voter integrity measures.

Had 2020 elections been conducted under 2016 rules and procedures the outcome would have been different. That’s why the d/progressive want to retain the weakened 2020 standards. That’s why they oppose the actions of the State Legislatures to increase ballot security and voter integrity measures.

The State Legislature has dominion over elections under our Constitution. Each State Legislature can, within Constitutional constraints, adopt and enforce the election laws for their State.

The d/progressive despise federalism precisely because the States retain Sovereignty. It’s much easier to use a carefully crafted legal case put before d/progressive leaning Judges to create policy at the National level. Where that can’t be achieved they attempt to have Congress create Nation policy over State powers.

The d/progressive insistence on CT packing schemes and their wish to overturn the filibuster clearly demonstrate their lust for centralized power.

    mark311 in reply to CommoChief. | July 14, 2021 at 4:48 pm

    We have been through this. You cannot made a legitimate claim for fraud, nor can you therefore make a legitimate claim for laws that have known suppressive effects on people being able to vote.

    You cannot honestly believe that fraud played a part given the wholesale lack of credibility of the evidence presented , the conspiracy theories put forward and the increasing likely hood that actual fraud was commited by those pretending that there election fraud.

      CommoChief in reply to mark311. | July 14, 2021 at 5:44 pm

      Mark,

      Actually we haven’t been through the results of an audit yet. Let’s see what they show before we condemn their results.

      In any case Fuzzy Slippers says I can’t play with you anymore😅.

        mark311 in reply to CommoChief. | July 15, 2021 at 2:07 am

        I have told you already the audit isn’t going to be valid. I’ve listed numerous reasons why it’s a complete joke. It’s not credible. I’m not going to repeat the numerous flaws in it but seriously.

        I’m glad Fuzzy is ignoring me, that standard of conversation has increased.

        Play eh, hmm funny how the points of view doffer. Never the less it’s always interesting chatting I wouldn’t have thought you’d be the clique type

      Danny in reply to mark311. | July 15, 2021 at 4:40 am

      There is absolutely zero suppressive effects from voter id laws and I know you are lying because in a conversation we had before you found that from y our own sources.

      Liars like you are ruining the world

        mark311 in reply to Danny. | July 15, 2021 at 4:56 am

        With respect my recollection is that you merely dismissed the sources for being left leaning without addressing the substance.

          Danny in reply to mark311. | July 16, 2021 at 12:18 am

          You provided sources that all backed up what I said about it.

          I asked you to name the black person you know who is incapable of remembering their id or has none, and you went to the sources that all backed up that voter id laws DO NOT lower minority turnout

          I know you are here in bad faith from what you have just said about voter id but just to kill your credibility

          https://www.nber.org/papers/w25522

          I was impressed by the fact that you changed your opinion when you found your own sources said your partisan bs was partisan bs but my opinion of you has dramatically plummeted.

          You are here in bad faith to call us all yazis and your wasting your time bsing. Maybe you changed to bad faith because you had one too many arguments and used to be here in good faith but the fact is id laws are in place everywhere outside of the United States from Paris to Tokyo and in the United States their implementation saw an increase in minority turnout not decrease.

          What they do is nothing except for provide assurance for voters concerned about voter integrity.

          Enjoy your trolling your entitled to it.

          mark311 in reply to mark311. | July 16, 2021 at 9:24 am

          @Danny

          Your link doesn’t help your case

          “Finally, strict ID requirements have no effect on fraud – actual or perceived. Overall, our findings suggest that efforts to improve elections may be better directed at other reforms.”

          Even if you make the case that there is no suppressive effect (id argue that there are too many papers saying the opposite to be sure of that claim) that the laws actually have to do something. Still no case for fraud, and its expensive to implement

          https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/22/voter-identification-laws-cost-taxpayers-36m

          “I was impressed by the fact that you changed your opinion when you found your own sources said your partisan bs was partisan bs but my opinion of you has dramatically plummeted.” That doesn’t sound right, i am however forgetful so feel free to link to the original so if necessary I can apologise.

          mark311 in reply to mark311. | July 16, 2021 at 9:26 am

          @ Danny

          I think its important to say here as well the amount of shit spewed out by many on this site is astonishing. The complete lack of evidence for some of the assertions is pretty astonishing. I do wonder if this is a conspiracy theory site at times.

If we had an actual Fascist from 1920s Italy elected to the presidency what exactly would he be doing differently?

    Neo in reply to Danny. | July 15, 2021 at 3:13 pm

    Merrick Garland’s “domestic terrorism” program in concert with “Big Tech” meets the textbook definition of Mussolini Fascism.

Forbes:
Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) on Thursday shot down the idea of creating a carve-out to the Senate filibuster for voting rights bills after a meeting with Democratic state lawmakers from Texas who are in Washington, D.C., to protest a voting restrictions bill in their state, effectively killing a proposal that has gained steam among even some Democratic leaders in recent weeks.

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