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Pelosi Will Establish Select Committee of Democrats to Investigate Capitol Hill Riot

Pelosi Will Establish Select Committee of Democrats to Investigate Capitol Hill Riot

Pelosi continues to lie about deaths and injuries associated with the January 6th riot.

Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi poured on the drama and lies when she announced she will establish a special committee to investigate the Capitol Hill Riot.

House Republicans voted against forming a select committee to investigate the riot. Since they would not change their minds Pelosi decided she will make one herself.

From CNN:

Pelosi said it would have been “preferable” to have an outside commission to investigate the January 6 attack, but said she was not worried that the select committee would dismissed as a political effort.

“I don’t worry about that at all,” Pelosi said. “I have no intention of walking away from our responsibility.”

With a select committee, Democrats are likely to have unilateral subpoena power, just as Republicans did when they created a select committee to investigate the deadly 2012 terrorist attack on the US compound in Benghazi, Libya.

The select committee is likely to closely examine the role Trump played in the lead up to the attack, in which the former President spread lies about the 2020 election being stolen from him. But the panel could also look at the role that some House members played, including McCarthy’s conversations with Trump as the riot was unfolding.

Republicans considered a select committee a waste of time. The Senate has two committees investigating the riot. The Department of Justice is concentrating on criminal charges.

Pelosi also said the committee can take as long as it needs to find the truth behind the riot.

In other words, it will take forever and they will forever talk about it as if it is the worst thing to ever happen in America.

Pelosi also lied about the deaths and injuries during the riot:

“This gleeful desecration of the Capitol resulted in multiple deaths, and physical harm to over 140 members of law enforcement and terror and trauma to staff, workers and members,” said Mrs. Pelosi at a press conference on Thursday. “That trauma is something I can never forget or forgive.”

Multiple deaths? Ashli Babbitt’s death is the only one associated with the riot. We still do not know who killed her.

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Riot. You misspelled ‘mostly peaceful protest.’

Better still: Pelosi needs to be brought to justice, then imprisoned for her crimes against the American people.

Pelosi is in charge of Capitol Hill security .. Pelosi opened the doors to stop the election fraud investigation..

    Danny in reply to Taxpayer. | June 24, 2021 at 2:21 pm

    Don’t you think this fraud bs has cost us enough already? The Democrats have the senate because of it and keep telling Republicans not to show up to vote and they will win 2022.

AnAdultInDiapers | June 24, 2021 at 12:49 pm

I support a committee looking into the events of 6th January.

For instance:
– Why was the President’s offer of National Guard assistance rejected?
– Who in the FBI was instigating the riot?
– Who was handing out baseball bats to the initial agitators that broke into the building?
– Who laid the widely reported pipe bombs?
– Who told Capitol Police to open barriers and invite in tourists?
– What role did Discord play in supporting the planning of the handful of rioters on the day?
– Why are Trump supporters being blamed when several of those rioters were very clearly members of Antifa?
– Why hasn’t the video footage from inside the Capitol been released?
– Why haven’t the lying lawyers that fabricated evidence to try and frame the President been sanctioned?
– Why was the media allowed to demonise hundreds of thousands of peaceful protestors due to the actions of people that didn’t and don’t represent them?
– Why is Pelosi still screeching on about this?

I could go on..

    Ben Kent in reply to AnAdultInDiapers. | June 24, 2021 at 2:49 pm

    Why was an Antifa operative paid by CNN on the scene instigating a riot and encouraging the protesters?

    Why did a security officer murder an unarmed woman while she was in a vulnerable position, in a novel act of what some have brayed as self-defense of property rights, and was diversity (e.g. sexism) a motive?

American Human | June 24, 2021 at 12:56 pm

Yes a select group of ravenously partisan democrat operatives seething with hatred revenge, and anger. But I repeat myself…..

“when she announced she will establish a special committee to investigate the Capitol Hill Riot”

The investigation’s report is already written. All she needs now are names that are to be placed at the foot of the “report.”

Executive Summary: January 6th can be laid at the feet of Trump, the GOP, and white supremacists.

Pelosi will establish a “select” committee. “Select” says it all. They will be hand selected to give her the results she wants. Might as well call it a “cherry picking committee” because that is all it is.

They’ll just try to impeach Trump again. It’s all they have.

    mark311 in reply to McGehee. | June 25, 2021 at 3:45 am

    @mcghee

    Not really there are multiple lawsuits aimed at Trump. Including criminal investigations. Besides which impeach him from what position. He isn’t in a position of authority anymore.

      henrybowman in reply to mark311. | June 26, 2021 at 12:39 am

      That didn’t stop the Democrats last time.
      You know, if we have to EXPLAIN it, it loses the humor.

The report is already written. They just need a committee to publish it.

casualobserver | June 24, 2021 at 2:13 pm

The good news – Pelosi knows her party will have little to brag about and run on in 2022. So, they must continue to exploit the hate-Trump energy.

Well, why not? About two dozen House Republicans and several Republican Senators voted with the Communists for the “bipartisan” commission that failed to pass in the Senate. Pelosi will easily find Republicans willing to go along with this latest sham.

As long as Republicans are willing to lick the Communists’ jackboots this farce will go on. Remember these same Republicans cried very public crocodile tears over the “murder” of Brian Sicknick knowing full well he wasn’t murdered but died of natural causes.

Meanwhile, why can’t Republicans say Ashli Babbitt’s name?

Since the goal is to ESTABLISH truth, it will be a smashing success.

Not necessarily THE truth. Just HER truth.

    After more than 16 trimesters of Democrat-led witch hunts and warlock trials, we can expect them to speak truth to power with facts not in evidence. Can they abort the baby, cannibalize her profitable parts, sequester her carbon pollutants, and have her, too?

Any guesses as to the Democrats on the committee.
Adam Shit
Eric Swallowall (have to have a Chinese operative on board)
Jerry Wadler
One of the Squad
James Lyburn (Chair and future Speaker of the House if we don’t defeat them)

This has no possible legislative purpose. Law enforcement is most definitely NOT a purpose of congress, law enforcement is the executive branch. This should be taken to court.

    Danny: This has no possible legislative purpose.

    Of course there can be a legislative purpose; something as simple as increased funding for Capitol security, though it could also include new criminal laws concerning violent attacks meant to interfere with the federal election process.

      CommoChief in reply to Zachriel. | June 25, 2021 at 11:01 am

      Well shit, honesty compelled me to agree with Zach.

      henrybowman in reply to Zachriel. | June 26, 2021 at 12:41 am

      What, because we don’t already have laws against “insurrection?”
      Or maybe you’re saying that the Democrats want laws that raise non-insurrection to the level of insurrection. I’d buy that.

Let us call the committee what it is, and what history tells us it will become:

The Committee of Public Safety

Pelosi has already concluded the unarmed 4 hour ‘insurrection’ was caused by white supremacy, antisemitism, and Islamophobia.

Evidently the purpose of the commission is to rubber stamp that and tack on a few other causes she left out — homophobia, transphobia, misogyny, etc.

They’ll no doubt also rubber stamp the creation of the new American Gulag. Current Jan 6 ‘insurrectionist’ prisoners are being indoctrinated, by their government paid ‘defense’ attorneys, to confess their white supremacy and white privilege and embrace Critical Race Theory in order to draw favor in sentencing from America’s new Roland Freisler style judges.

That sounds like fun, pick some Communists, a few Marxists, a Socialist or two and let them loose in fact manufacturing and see what or who they can lock up in a Gulag.

“…she was not worried that the select committee would dismissed as a political effort…”

What a laugh. Of course this Committee to Selectively Investigate the Capitol Hill Disturbance is going to be a political sham. There are a lot of questions that need to be asked and answered, but we all know this selective investigation committee won’t touch them. This committee will identify any evidence there is, confiscate it and keep it under wraps to ensure it doesn’t get revealed to the public.

Pelosi’s “select committee” will, I’m sure, show all the concern for truth, justice, objectivity, and due process of a Stalinist show trial jury.

the role Trump played in the lead up to the attack, in which the former President spread lies about the 2020 election being stolen from him.

And when the AZ audit report is published thereby proving PDJT was NOT spreading lies? At least, as far as the result AZ is concerned?

    mark311 in reply to MrE. | June 25, 2021 at 3:53 am

    AZ isn’t doing an audit, not by any meaningful definition of the word. It’s a partisan , conspiracy theory fueled, unregulated, poorly thought out mess.

      CommoChief in reply to mark311. | June 25, 2021 at 8:36 am

      Mark,

      Maybe we should give the benefit of the doubt as to the motives and ethics of the folks conducting the process.

      No matter what the result Biden is and will remain President. So it doesn’t advance a partisan change in the official election result.

      Assuming that the audit produces evidence of improper handling of ballots or persons casting ballots who were ineligible or ballots being accepted which should have been rejected or issues with poor maintenance and oversight of the registration list then that’s to everyone’s benefit.

      Once identified those issues can be mitigated by the State legislature to ensure those issues or vulnerabilities won’t be exploited in the future.

        mark311 in reply to CommoChief. | June 25, 2021 at 10:17 am

        Its a little bit more fundamental than that, the idea of accepting a non-compliant audit when it is likely and indeed set up to give misleading answers is bullshit. It only serves to provide misleading information. The ‘audit’ is being peddled as the type of audit that should be used in other states even when its demonstrably failing to adhere to any basic standards. It wont give credible evidence because it doesn’t adhere to any standards, so it cant serve any purpose relating to election integrity or finding fraud. Any ‘answers’ it gives might as well be thrown in the bin.

        Well the cyber ninja owner is the originator of some of the conspiracy theories and has supposedly invented a means of testing that. He is benefiting from the nonsensical shite that he is peddling! That seems pretty close to fraud to me so with that specific person in mind sure ill cast doubt on his motives. As for your wider point about the folks involved that’s not the point this is a process that requires impartiality in order to maintain integrity not least because everyone is looking to find a problem so having people who are known to be highly partisan involved is just really stupid.

        Its hard to give this particular ‘audit’ any credit at all given how badly its been done. You know full well I’ve made the comment in the past that id be happy for an actual audit to take place provided its paid for by those making the accusation but this isn’t an audit, it bears no resemblance to one. Its not impartial, its badly run, its not transparent, its set up to provide mismatches in the counting, its not following the legally prescribed standards. On that basis you cannot rely on any of the outputs. No serious person would accept it.

        I do appreciate that you at least accept Biden as president, sorry to rant but this election fraud nonsense just goes on and on. The only people who are going to be held to account are those peddling the election lie, people like Giuliani who has now (at least in the interim) been barred. indeed the Michigan post election ASOG, dePerno and Colbeck were deliberately misleading. Even suggesting they be investigated by the attorney general for misleading/fraudulent claims.

        Id recommend reading the report it provides a good microcosm of the broader election issues.

        https://www.scribd.com/document/512812871/Michigan-Senate-election-report#from_embed

          CommoChief in reply to mark311. | June 25, 2021 at 10:44 am

          Mark,

          Ok. Glad you got all that out.

          There were a number of anomalies within the 2020 elections. There was a good deal of chaos injected into the procedures which control the mechanics of the election.

          Were those changes warranted due to Rona? Maybe, Maybe not. What is irrefutable is changes were made and in many instances not by the State legislature who have exclusive constitutional jurisdiction to do so.

          In many areas the application of the election laws,.rules and procedures doesn’t appear to have been uniformly followed by local elections officials within those States.

          Was it done with the intent to commit election violations? Maybe, maybe not. Would these irregularities have impacted the final vote count enough to alter the results in one or more States? Maybe, Maybe not.

          I look forward to viewing the results of the AZ audit of the the election process which encompasses potential registration violations, non compliance with signature requirements on envelopes, as well as any potential issues once ballots were accepted by officials as valid; at tabulation stage and beyond.

          Once we can review the audit procedures and methodology we should be able to determine whether the conclusions drawn from their reports are valid or not.

          The folks conducting the process understand full well that if the final report doesn’t produce evidence generated by unambiguous facts and sound methodology in support of their final conclusions that their work will be dismissed as invalid and rightly so.

          Let’s wait and see the final product before we decide to endorse it or reject it.

          mark311 in reply to mark311. | June 25, 2021 at 4:56 pm

          @commochief

          With respect we already know quite a bit about the methodology and processes which aren’t compliant with an audit procedure. It’s sub standard to say the least. It has no credibility for numerous reasons that I’ve explained. Repeating yourself about how we should wait until the end doesn’t address the substance about how the supposed audit functions which is a sham.

          mark311 in reply to mark311. | June 25, 2021 at 5:01 pm

          @commochief

          We have already discussed previously the legislature changes due to covid. There are two principle problems with relying on that approach.

          1) it’s too late, and disengenuously late. If there was an issue with the state changes they should have sued at the time. There was no attempt to do so. Leaving it until after the election results were known just shows that it’s a bad faith argument

          2) it’s grossly disproportionate to disenfranchise voters on the basis of a technical change to legislation after the fact. The votes were cast in good faith so why on earth would anyone agree to disenfranchise voters on that basis. It makes zero sense.

          CommoChief in reply to mark311. | June 26, 2021 at 8:45 am

          Mark,

          Opinions vary.

          mark311 in reply to mark311. | June 26, 2021 at 3:29 pm

          @commochief

          This isn’t about opinion, the reality is the AZ audit is a disgrace. The election fraud narrative isn’t just empty its a massive lie.

      Mark311, I used to hear that kind of defensiveness every time I concluded a quality assurance product / process and manufacturing system audit. If anything, it showed me that human nature is consistent; i.e., no one likes to be confronted with their errors, short comings, defects and wrong doing. I am well familiar with audit methods and inspections, especially in compliance with DoD standards and requirements for records and traceability. The procedures and accountability on the audit floor, under constant video surveillance, together with the forensic examination of ballots, will show either the election results are beyond reproach, or the ways in which the process was corrupted.

      My bet is on the latter. Suffice to say, a career professional auditor’s nose knows. With what I believe will come out in the AZ audit, it won’t likely matter what the other states do. The full forensic audit will expose every area of vulnerability in the process, and other states will use that to shore up their process. I’m hopeful it will spawn audits in the remaining 49 states, but the one is enough to serve as basis for process improvement.

        mark311 in reply to MrE. | June 25, 2021 at 4:53 pm

        Well as someone with experience of audits you’ll be aware that the AZ ‘audit’ doesn’t comply with the prescribed standard, it has serious flaws in it’s methodology, and parameters. In other words it’s not an audit. So rather than trying to ad hominem me with bull shit about defensiveness address the salient point which is that fundamentally it’s level of credibility is zero.

        There have already been genuine audits and recounts finding no issues. If it were a genuine forensic audit conducted in a non partisan fashion by a qualified and certified company then fine (as long as it’s not paid for by the tax payer). In this instance it’s been conducted by a conspiracy theorist who isn’t remotely qualified.

The entire District of Columbia is beyond any redemption.

Great way to figure out where to cover their track.

‘First the verdict then the trial’…sounds familiar, now where did I hear that before?

This horribly corrupt old crow’s death will be celebrated nationwide.

Julie Kelly at American Greatness has been doing fantastic work on the lockups of Jan 6 participants, hundreds have been locked up and it’s chilling to read what they are doing to them.
https://tinyurl.com/4kjtfms6

    mark311 in reply to Skip. | June 25, 2021 at 3:51 am

    It’s a pretty stupid article, it’s entire premise is on the basis that those breaking into the capitol building were behaving in a reasonable rational way which is clearly not true. The cause of that irrationality is in part stupid lies like election fraud so making them aware of that seems entirely reasonable. In this case the person received a sentence that’s pretty lenient and likely as a direct result of acknowledging that the reasons she did what she did were poor to say the least.

      CommoChief in reply to mark311. | June 25, 2021 at 8:00 am

      Mark,

      Irrational? Ok I grant you the Shaman guy and anyone who believed a QRF was going to roll in and assist them as irrational.

      The rest were misguided and ill informed, IMO, as to what their actions were going to achieve. Certainly it wasn’t going to change the process or somehow result in DJT taking the oath of office.

      If they believed that their actions might delay the approval of the slate of electors to buy time for an investigation or audit prior to that….ok. I can see how someone might believe that it was possible to influence the Senate and or VP. Wrong but not crazy.

      The real issue here is pretrial confinement for what are petty charges. The DoJ had to walk back a good deal of their original presentation to the CT because they don’t have the evidence to sustain the charges.

      Most of these folks will skate because there isn’t evidence. Some of them haven’t been indicted which is a problem several months later.

      The Feds, with an assist from the CT, are using pretrial confinement as a lever to get a guilty plea. That’s always a bad idea in our system.

        CommoChief: If they believed that their actions might delay the approval of the slate of electors to buy time for an investigation or audit prior to that….ok.

        That would constitute a serious attack on the lawful transfer of power.

        CommoChief: The real issue here is pretrial confinement for what are petty charges.

        That happens all the time to poor and minority persons. Strange how it’s now an issue on the political right.

        In any case, do you have specifics? From reports, the courts have looked at the likelihood of further unlawful behavior and of the risk of flight, which are reasonable criteria for determining pretrial release.

          CommoChief in reply to Zachriel. | June 25, 2021 at 11:18 am

          Zach,

          Not for trespass it doesn’t. Which at this point is all the government can prove and even that isn’t applicable to everyone.

          It’s fine and dandy to hold a press conference and repeat words like insurrection and treason but no one has been charged with those crimes.

          In fact many of these folks in pretrial confinement are still there without an indictment from a grand jury. That isn’t usual or customary. Nor is denying bail.

          Inability to afford reasonable bail based upon the seriousness of the crime, the initial evidence backing the charge, the criminal history of the defendant and whether the defendant has skipped out and not shown up while previously granted bail or probation/parole isn’t a denial of bail no matter how many times you chant that.

          Jailing citizens for misdemeanor charges pretrial such as trespass is a bad precedent to set, IMO.

          Will the CT be willing to do the same for others who trespass on Federal property or damage Federal property in other locations around the Nation?

          Antifa/blm/anarchists/eco terrorists might wish one day that this precedent had not been established and cheered on by the d/progressive.

          As political power wax and wanes this will come back to bite the hand currently feeding it. Don’t be upset when that occurs.

          CommoChief: Not for trespass it doesn’t.

          You just said that some of them did it for the express purpose of preventing the lawful transfer of power, that is, obstruction of Congress. Many have been charged with violent or destructive acts. The rest will probably not serve time if they help with the investigation.

          CommoChief: In fact many of these folks in pretrial confinement are still there without an indictment from a grand jury.

          We asked for specifics.

          CommoChief in reply to Zachriel. | June 25, 2021 at 11:42 am

          Zach,

          The government has the burden of proof. They can either prove their case or they can’t.

          If you want specifics have at it. I would be interested is reviewing your work product. When you complete your exhaustive review please let me know the exact number of persons who have been charged with either insurrection or treason.

          Zachriel: In any case, do you have specifics?

          CommoChief: If you want specifics have at it. I would be interested is reviewing your work product.

          So you can’t support your claim concerning “most” and “many”, but can’t provide a single specific to support your expressed concern about people being unjustly held before trial.

          CommoChief: When you complete your exhaustive review please let me know the exact number of persons who have been charged with either insurrection or treason.

          No one has been charged with insurrection or treason, but there have been charges of obstruction of Congress, physical violence, violent entry, disorderly conduct, obstruction of law enforcement, etc. Over 100 were charged with assaulting federal officers. And these crimes were all documented on video and social media.

          CommoChief in reply to Zachriel. | June 25, 2021 at 4:49 pm

          Zach,

          A quick look at the charging sheet data shows about half of the 540 or so people charged for action on the 6th are charged with what amounts to trespassing.

          Some have photos that place them in the building. Problem is the government may not be able to prove how or where they entered.

          Lots of folks entered. Only a handful entered forcefully; broke windows or doors to do so. Some entered through opened doors. Others were let pass by Capital PD.

          If the government had proof of entry via photos or video, they would have put that into the charging sheets. For those in this situation who are being held without bail for trespass? C’mon man. That’s too much.

          CommoChief: A quick look at the charging sheet data shows about half of the 540 or so people charged for action on the 6th are charged with what amounts to trespassing.

          And how many of those are in indefinite detention? Can you provide a specific example?

          What about the other half?

        mark311 in reply to CommoChief. | June 25, 2021 at 10:26 am

        Being misguided and ill informed isn’t a good defence in the eyes of the law. That doesn’t mitigate against what they did which as Zachriel points out is a serious attack on the lawful transfer of power. This is why if you look at the charge sheets you’ll see a charge in relation to this for all those who entered the building.

        As for the pre trial confinement, well I’m sure that time will be taken of the sentence because are you seriously suggesting they aren’t guilty? Bearing in mind the whole thing was videoed by the individuals themselves as well as the CCTC and social media posts. The defence lawyers tactics are testament to this for example blaming Trump for inciting them (that was the Qanon shamans defence).

          CommoChief in reply to mark311. | June 25, 2021 at 11:30 am

          Well charges unsupported by a grand jury indictment seem hollow. Let the government present the evidence to the grand jury and see if the charges are sustained. That’s a very low bar.

          It’s a few days until July. This occurred six months ago. Where is the trial?

          When should that pesky right to a speedy trial kick in? Either get an indictment from a grand jury and set a trial date or grant bail.

          The government needs to make a decision here. Either allow bail and continue investigation or go to trial with the evidence they have.

          Now if you are ok with the way these defendants are treated then in a future r administration you are endorsing the same tactics and process for those who trespass or damage a Federal CT House or ICE facility.

          I would hope we would agree that we should expect and anticipate an equal application of the powers of the DoJ against everyone. In fact we must insist upon it.

          CommoChief: When should that pesky right to a speedy trial kick in?

          As soon as the defendant demands it. That’s why specifics are important. Look at the pleadings. The defendant will typically agree to delay trial as it is often to their own advantage.

          CommoChief: In fact we must insist upon it.

          Where have you stood up for minority and poor defendants who are held for months before trial on bail they can’t possibly pay.

          CommoChief in reply to mark311. | June 25, 2021 at 11:53 am

          Zach,

          Very nice, lets see how all these play out and what impact the bail proceedings here and the precedent created are applied in the future.

          As to being unable to afford bail. Excessive bail is always a bad idea. Reasonable bail is based upon the crime charged, strength of the evidence presented, the personal history of the defendant as to risk of flight.

          The defendant can always be assisted in making bail by the goodwill of others. In fact wasn’t a large sum raised for bail last summer during blm riots that hasn’t been accounted for?

          As to minority defendants …look man every defendant is a minority of one. The entirety of the apparatus of the state is arrayed against him. United States v John Smith.

          I believe in the doctrine of MLK. I was taught to view everyone as an individual and judge them based upon their actions, not the actions of others who look like them.

          CommoChief: The defendant can always be assisted in making bail by the goodwill of others.

          Sure they can.

          CommoChief: I believe in the doctrine of MLK.

          Critical Race Theory:

          … I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

          mark311 in reply to mark311. | June 25, 2021 at 5:08 pm

          @commochief

          Let’s be fair to the DoJ they have had a huge investigation to do with hundreds of cases to consider. Given the level of evidence available and the seriousness of the crimes it’s not unreasonable to keep them in jail pending trial. Especially given the flight risk and toxic environment. Maybe they should have thought about consequences before storming the capitol building.

          CommoChief in reply to mark311. | June 25, 2021 at 5:13 pm

          Zach,

          How quaint. You seek to project beliefs upon me. No thanks. I am far from moderate. I am very libertarian and likely as strident in my beliefs about the government trampling individual rights as you.

          The season of acceptance has already long since arrived and been realized. Those of us who oppose the tribalism of CRT/Equity and it’s sorting and sifting by ‘race’ do so because we inherited a society transformed by MLK.

          The blatant racism of CRT/Equity is offensive to the ideals we live and practice; treat every person by their own worth and refuse to ascribe to them the actions of others.

          I don’t know why anyone would be in favor of returning to the doctrines of racism, division and exclusivity based upon an immutable characteristic like the color of one’s skin.

          It took nearly two hundred years to realize the aspirations of of our founders; that all men are created equal. Too many have sacrificed too much in our Civil War, the Civil rights era working for passage of that legislation and the long years in between.

          If you choose to stand with outmoded ‘race’ based tribalism then understand who your intellectual allies are: Calhoun, Wallace, Conner, Faubus and Mattox among others.

          Of course they were all d so maybe that explains the attraction.

          henrybowman in reply to mark311. | June 26, 2021 at 12:51 am

          The “moderate whites” MLK is talking about, who wanted the Negro to “wait for a more convenient season,” were the Civil-Rights-Era Democrats.
          That’s your crowd, Emperor Ming, not ours. We’re the “Klanners,” remember?

          mark311 in reply to mark311. | June 26, 2021 at 3:45 am

          @henrybowman

          Citing what people thought in MLKs day isn’t the question. The question is how people think act and behave now.

          CommoChief: Those of us who oppose the tribalism of CRT/Equity and it’s sorting and sifting by ‘race’ do so because we inherited a society transformed by MLK.

          You cited “the doctrine of MLK.” We provided a quote which is very much in line with critical race theory. Notably, you didn’t respond to the quote.

          henrybowman: The “moderate whites” MLK is talking about, who wanted the Negro to “wait for a more convenient season,” were the Civil-Rights-Era Democrats.

          That would be liberals, Democratic and Republican; that is, those who supported King’s goals, but not his push for dramatic change. This is consistent with critical race theory. Individual views, including bigotry, are not the only obstacle to ending racism. Those who are privileged would prefer not to rock to boat, so they tend to support the status quo of existing institutions.

          henrybowman: We’re the “Klanners,” remember?

          We note the admission.

          CommoChief in reply to mark311. | June 26, 2021 at 9:53 am

          Zach,

          The use of a selected passage from the much longer ‘Letter from a Birmingham Jail’ to buttress your argument falls short.

          You either didn’t read or chose to ignore my reference to the passage by my use of the phrase ‘season of acceptance’. This usage directly addresses the selected quote.

          The audience of the ‘Letter’ was the various Clergy who were demonstrating the ‘lukewarm acceptance’ by agreement with the aim but urged patience; ‘..they say wait’.

          The ‘Letter’ was from April of 1963. It reflected the facts and conditions of that time. Since then our Nation has undergone a a remarkable transformation in the passage of laws to enact a series of measures to meet the challenges espoused by MLK and to fulfill the aspirations of our founding documents; that all men are created equal.

          Partial list of those laws; Civil Rights Acts of 1964, 1987 and 1991. Fair Housing Acts of 1968 and 1988. Voting Rights Acts of 1965, 1970, 1975, 1982 and 2006.

          Let’s examine some other passages you left out and see if CRT/Equity is within the realized vision of MLK.

          Segregation was rejected by MLK. The ‘Letter’ describes it as harmful to those who chose to employ segregation and those who are segregated against. He stated that laws regarding integration should be followed because ‘they are morally right and the Negro is your Brother’.

          Crime is denounced. The ‘Letter’ states that ‘society must protect the robbed and punish the robber’. He described unjust laws as being inconsistent with morality.

          Your attempt to somehow secure the endorsement of CRT/equity by MLK is absurd. He vigorously and consistently laid out a vision of equality before the law, describing his vision as one in which people are judged by ‘the content of their character not the color of their skin’.

          As an aside why did you use the plural ‘we’? Are in collaboration with a team of writers? Is it because you have multiple voices in your head? Perhaps you are invoking the the royal We?

          CommoChief: The ‘Letter’ was from April of 1963. It reflected the facts and conditions of that time. Since then our Nation has undergone a a remarkable transformation

          Quite so. However, the dynamic is the basis of systemic racism, which still exists today. Another example is the old-boy network. Even if you assume that every person is not racist, the result is continuing vestiges of the racist past. And given a few bigots mixed in, racial disparities can persist for generations, even though the policy is “color-blind.”

          CommoChief: Your attempt to somehow secure the endorsement of CRT/equity by MLK is absurd.

          It is a statement consistent with critical race theory, that the vestiges of racism can linger in spite of the evolution of individuals. This is contrary to the current right-wing redefinition.

          CommoChief: He vigorously and consistently laid out a vision of equality before the law, describing his vision as one in which people are judged by ‘the content of their character not the color of their skin’.

          Whenever this issue of compensatory or preferential treatment for the Negro is raised, some of our friends recoil in horror. The Negro should be granted equality, they agree; but he should ask for nothing more. On the surface, this appears reasonable, but it is not realistic. For it is obvious that if a man is entering the starting line in a race 300 years after another man, the first would have to perform some impossible feat in order to catch up with his fellow runner.

          CommoChief in reply to mark311. | June 26, 2021 at 12:28 pm

          Zach,

          You are conflating issues of ‘race’ with issues of social and economic stratification.

          Statistically, nearly every person born to married parents who both posses college degrees and higher Nathan average dual incomes will fare better than born to parents who lack those things.

          The ‘underclass’ of our society regardless of ‘race’ face obstacles. Some are the result of choices made by their parents and some are the result of their own choices.

          To mitigate these obstacles huge sums have been spent since before my birth. The ‘great society’ style programs; healthcare, K -12 education, disability insurance, workman comp, OSHA, banking reforms, housing initiatives among others were put in place to address the unequal starting point for every person regardless of ‘race’.

          Specific measures to mitigate specific instances of historical exclusion based upon ‘race’ were also adopted under the umbrella of affirmative action.

          Whether individuals choose to avail themselves of the full use of these programs to mitigate their problems is up to the individual. Unless you are arguing to eliminate their agency and force them to act as you might wish.

          The issue here is the lack of the d/progressive to accept that the era of civil rights among ‘race’ is over. The dream has been realized. We have, as a Nation, worked to implement programs that recognize and enforce individual equality under law. We have had affirmative action programs since before my birth to help mitigate and address past instances of ‘racial’ injustice.

          Some of the things you see as evidence of ‘racism’, I see as evidence of our class structure. The problems faced today are not ‘race’ based but rather stem from social and economic class.

          Dividing everyone by ‘race’ into categories of oppressed and oppressor is itself racist. The tribalism this will create would be a return to the era before the influence MLK.

          I don’t understand why you want that unless you are seeking to take that division and discord to it’s logical conclusion; conflict between the tribes you are creating.

          CommoChief: You are conflating issues of ‘race’ with issues of social and economic stratification.

          Though not the same, there is considerable overlap.

          CommoChief: Statistically, nearly every person born to married parents who both posses college degrees and higher Nathan average dual incomes will fare better than born to parents who lack those things.

          That’s right! And that means the descendants of people who were denied equal opportunity are more likely to fare worse. Now you got it!
          https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/71/Tulsa_Aftermath.jpg

      henrybowman in reply to mark311. | June 26, 2021 at 12:46 am

      .

      it’s entire premise is on the basis that those breaking into the capitol building were behaving in a reasonable rational way which is clearly not true.

      Eat your words, reprobate.

        mark311 in reply to henrybowman. | June 26, 2021 at 3:41 am

        Sorry what’s that got to do with the premise I laid out? Citing one example of an arrest of a guy external to the breach of the capitol building doesn’t address the rationality of those who entered the building does it. Nor does citing a source like gateway pundit which is not a credible source.

          CommoChief in reply to mark311. | June 26, 2021 at 10:18 am

          Mark,

          The logic of your series of posts about this seems to be that every defendant should continue in pretrial confinement because some of the defendants are charged with more serious crimes.

          Let’s apply the same logic to the attacks on the Federal Building by antifa. Lots of people. Some black bloc who throw Molotov cocktails. Some assault LEO. Some push forward attempting to prevent LEO from effecting an arrest. Some are simple present and used as Mao stated: ‘The guerrilla must move among the people like a fish swims in the sea’.

          Your argument would indicate agreement should all of the persons present be arrested, and held indefinitely pretrial, some without a grand jury indictment, for six months or longer regardless of the severity of the charge.

          That’s a very authoritarian viewpoint. I am a bit surprised how eager you seem to be in endorsing this.

          I certainly would oppose that. However, since you have agreed to the application of those acts you can hardly be upset or surprised when a future administration uses the same tactics against other actors like antifa or blm or looters or members of a mob where injuries occur.

          In fact that might be employed by State and local governments sooner than you think.

          CommoChief: The logic of your series of posts about this seems to be that every defendant should continue in pretrial confinement because some of the defendants are charged with more serious crimes.

          But that’s not what has happened. Most people have been released pre-trial. Can you provide a specific example of someone you think is being unjustly detained?

        The Cusicks:

        https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2021/06/24/PBRE/a54624d1-2265-4d3e-b4eb-9e462b18925b-Casey_cusick_FBI.JPG

        They clearly knew they were entering illegally, having crossed the police line. The younger Cusick is also charged with violent entry.

        mark311 in reply to henrybowman. | June 26, 2021 at 3:43 pm

        @commochief

        “The problems faced today are not ‘race’ based but rather stem from social and economic class”

        Except we know that if you do a comparison of educated blacks and educated whites the whites have significantly more wealth/earnings etc.

        I do agree that issues like class are important. But race has undoubtedly been a significant componant and continues to be. My main issue with CRT is it’s reductive nature, that’s a valid criticism but the underlying data has yet to be critiqued in any meaningful way on the right.

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