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CNN “Expert” – Government should give you freedom only if you get the COVID vaccine

CNN “Expert” – Government should give you freedom only if you get the COVID vaccine

Connects vaccination status to a government “carrot” that promises resumption of regular life.

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) released a significant update to travel guidance for people who are fully vaccinated against Covid-19 which eliminates some testing and quarantine recommendations.

Fully vaccinated people can travel at low risk to themselves, CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said Friday, but travel still isn’t recommended at this time because of rising numbers of coronavirus cases.

The agency said that as long as coronavirus precautions are taken, including mask wearing, fully vaccinated people can travel within the United States without getting tested for Covid-19 before or self-quarantining after.

For international travel, fully vaccinated people don’t need a Covid-19 test prior to travel — unless it is required by the destination — and do not need to self-quarantine after returning to the United States. They should still have a negative Covid-19 test before boarding a flight to the US, and a follow up test three to five days after their return, the CDC noted.

However, the agency isn’t rushing to ‘let’ us have too much freedom. It seems travel is still not recommended even for those vaccinated:

…Walensky maintained that “CDC is not recommending travel at this time due to the rising number of cases” in the U.S.

“I want to acknowledge today that providing guidance in the midst of a changing pandemic, and its changing science, is complex. On the one hand, we are telling you we are worried about rising cases, to wear a mask, and to avoid travel. Yet on the other hand, we are saying that, if you are vaccinated, evolving data suggests that traveling is likely lower risk,” she said.

CNN host Chris Cuomo interviewed George Washington University Public Health Policy Professor Laura Wen. The interview was most illuminating, and it looks like she hopes the current administration will maximize connections between vaccination status to the resumption of life in a post-pandemic world.

It’s clear to them that the vaccine is the ticket to pre-pandemic life….and the window to do that is really narrowing. You were mentioning, Chris, about how all these states were reopening. They are reopening at 100 percent….and we have a very narrow window to tie reopening policy to vaccination status.

Because, otherwise, if everything is reopen, then what’s the carrot going to be? How are we going to incentivize people to actually get the vaccine? So that’s why I think the CDC and the Biden administration needs to come out a lot bolder and say, “If you’re vaccinated, you can do all these things…here’s all these freedoms that you have.” Because, otherwise, people are going to go out and enjoy those freedoms anyway.” [emphasis added]

I don’t think tying personal freedoms to vaccination mandates is the winning message they think it is.

If there are struggles with vaccination goals not being achieved, then the current administration has only itself to blame. It spent the entire campaign season smearing the efforts of President Donald Trump’s Operation Warp Speed, especially in regards to the safety and efficacy of the vaccines being produced and approved for wide-spread use.

Wen had previously been a guest on CNN, during an episode featuring how evil Trump was smearing Asians because he referred to the virus as the “China Virus.” It seems she ‘heard’ that she was called a “bat eater,” told to go back home to her own country, and that she should admit that ‘her people’ were responsible for the virus.  None of which President Trump actually said or implied.

Perhaps, if instead of focusing on race and political party, our experts had stuck with medicine and epidemiology, Americans would have respected and followed their advice.  But they didn’t, and many Americans don’t.

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Tyranny, Shanghai-style.

The government doesn’t give you your rights or your freedom, you dumb twit. They’re given to you by God.

    Florida Gator in reply to Paul. | April 3, 2021 at 1:22 pm

    Even if you are a Godless sob, one can still argue that these are “natural and unalienable” rights which even we can not surrender even if we wished to do so!

      Individual dignity, intrinsic value, inordinate worth. #HateLovesAbortion

      Unfortunately, without a universal frame of reference (e.g. morality), these rights are reduced to a relativistic (e.g. ethics) or opportunistic (e.g. politically congruent) frame of reference.

      LibraryGryffon in reply to Florida Gator. | April 3, 2021 at 4:35 pm

      According to an article posted on NCBI in February this year on “Patient Rights and Ethics” (Patient Rights And Ethics; Jacob P. Olejarczyk, Michael Young; In: StatPearls [Internet]. Treasure Island (FL): StatPearls Publishing; 2021 Jan. 2021 Feb 17. PMID: 30855863 Bookshelf ID: NBK538279)
      “A patient’s autonomy is violated when family members or members of a healthcare team pressure a patient..”

      I would assume that patient autonomy would also be violated when pressured by the government. To tell a non-infectious person that they can’t have any of their human rights unless they submit to being a lab rat sure counts as pressure in my book.

      This article also opens with this George Carlin quote:
      “Rights aren’t rights if someone can take them away. They’re privileges.”

      I guess the Declaration of Independence should have read “that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain alienable Privileges, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these privileges, Governments are instituted among Men…”

        Lucifer Morningstar in reply to LibraryGryffon. | April 3, 2021 at 5:19 pm

        The Declaration also says the following:

        We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness—-That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

        Perhaps the federal government should take heed of those words as it is removing the rights of the people to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

        Just my 2¢

          henrybowman in reply to Lucifer Morningstar. | April 3, 2021 at 5:59 pm

          Take heed of them? I think they go to sleep every night with them on their mind. They were deathly terrified that a group of senior citizens with walking sticks had assembled do just that — abolish it, and depose them as the traitors they are.

          They DO take heed of them, that is why they put a fence around the Capitol and guard it with the Military.

    That’s why our Marxist Chinese overseers are so determined to abolish religion (except the “new age science” religion). They also hate any race other than Chinese so I wonder what paradise Lebron James believes he is advocating for? They clearly detest black people too if their new colonization of Africa is any indicator. Funding BLM to destroy our black urban neighborhoods doesn’t exactly inspire the warm and fuzzies either.

But the government doesn’t have any freedom to give us. They exist at our consent, as do our God-given natural rights, independent of any government. Ignorance on display for all to see here, folks.

    puhiawa in reply to UJ. | April 3, 2021 at 3:10 pm

    We have the chucklehead brother of the governor who killed tens of thousands of elderly interviewing the former head of Planned Parenthood, which kills babies. Both approving of the USA becoming a police state in direct violation of the right to travel as encapsulated in Saenz V. Roe. This is modern “liberalism”…in Newspeak.

    Brave Sir Robbin in reply to UJ. | April 4, 2021 at 11:29 pm

    “But the government doesn’t have any freedom to give us. They exist at our consent, as do our God-given natural rights, independent of any government. Ignorance on display for all to see here, folks.”

    Where on Earth did you come up with that nonsense?

On Thursday my husband & I will happily get on airplane and start our two week golf holiday in the south. We do NOT need Dr Fauci or the CDC to give us permission to travel.

    Colonel Travis in reply to danvillemom. | April 3, 2021 at 1:24 pm

    Good for you. My wife and I went on 3 plane trips in the past year. These tyrants can go to hell. Get a hole in one for me, please. I’ve never done that.

Has the FDA approved of any of these Wuhan virus vaccines yet? Didn’t think so. At this point, I would see their approval as proof that they too have been corrupted.

I understand that the biggest reason for having never approved of any M-RNA vaccines has to do with concerns over the long-term effects. These drugs work by manipulating the DNA and the long-term effects cannot be predicted.

So in effect, we can win our freedom back if we agree to be lab rats. Sign me up!!!

    henrybowman in reply to Pasadena Phil. | April 3, 2021 at 6:02 pm

    Freiwilligenarbeit macht frei!

    I think you may be mistaken about mRNA vaccines manipulating DNA. The CDC says they don’t. Perhaps they are deceiving us. Do you have any evidence supporting your belief?

    BTW, I think vaccine passports are an extremely bad idea. Not because they compromise our privacy – that has already been thoroughly and irrevocably accomplished – but because they are the leading edge of a CCP-style social credit system. Not here yet, but coming soon if we don’t stop it. Cancel culture is the vanguard.

The path leads to English as a second language and adherence to the laws of the Middle Kingdom.

How many will or now have given away their rights for a good price on a pair of Air Jordans or a new 4K flat screen TV? The marque at the top of the first door to enter says “Huxley” and the next and final door says “Orwell”.

Once again, conservatives saw this new government “by few people, over the people” coming with the advent of the china virus. “15 days > mask life > vax life > vax passport (endless social monitoring and control)

    caseoftheblues in reply to stl. | April 3, 2021 at 4:45 pm

    Yup…they sounded the alarm nine months ago that those gaining power from this so called pandemic would never give up this power and control and path to eliminate our rights and they were right

All they will need is reoccurring justification (mutations or other threats) to finalize the indoctrination and create communist control

The authoritarian totalitarian impulse is in the DNA of a large percentage of the population. Mostly Democrats.

Too bad we don’t have a vaccine for that.

An expert in absentia. That said, the issue is immunity, treatment, and transmission. Vaccines are a third leg of the first round.

I was exposed to Covid a week ago and felt the first ill effect of it 48 hours after exposure – an unusual feeling of fatigue remedied with a long nap. That evening had a low-grade temperature on/off during the night and again the next. Confirmed Covid positive Thursday morning. Not one of the awful symptoms we’ve been hearing about from CDC / Fauci / MSM … no headache, no loss of taste or smell, no dizziness, no breathing difficulties, just a low-grade fever on/off over 48 hours.

Initially frightened because of my age and co-morbidities, I remembered that the Lord gave me Psalm 91 when it all started a year ago, so I read it aloud with conviction, amped up the C, D3 and Zinc and started drinking enough water to float a battleship. Other than an occasional dry cough, I’m just fine.

No doubt God’s healing / protective hand is the biggest factor in my experience, but it sure puts perspective on the fear-porn addiction of our would be masters. I’m ashamed that I had been afraid to come down with Covid, believing I’d die if I did. Realistically, I’ve had worse seasonal colds.

I have no plans to take their unproven / untested vaccines as I have/had the virus, it’s a “nothing burger” and will leave me with antibodies. Who are they to tell me I need their damn shot when I’ve already had the virus it’s supposed to prevent, fared well with it and now have antibodies / immunity?

These so-called health experts aka fear-peddlers need to be dragged out, publicly tried and shot.

    alaskabob in reply to MrE. | April 3, 2021 at 3:47 pm

    Vitamin D and zinc for everyone! Cheap (if you can find it) and a good start to ward off the Whu-Flu.

      LibraryGryffon in reply to alaskabob. | April 3, 2021 at 4:39 pm

      I added those and some extra C to my family’s regular meds. So far we’re doing fine. The housemate, who doesn’t take anything and works at a casino, has had several nasty URIs and LRIs since he went back to work in August, none of them WuFlu related, just due to having to wear a mask all the time at work.

      The doc made an interesting comment. She seemed surprised I had no symptoms other than fever and a little cough – which I really couldn’t distinguish from my persistent GRD / bronchial irritation hack.

      Per the doc, they’ve had enough time and done enough genetic testing now to find a ‘genetic marker’ that seems to be the difference between people who have mild symptoms or are asymptomatic, and those who get hammered by Covid.

      Wish I’d have asked where she read that. I can’t seem to google that info.

      gibbie in reply to alaskabob. | April 5, 2021 at 12:48 pm

      Perhaps there is an argument in favor of vaccination after having recovered from an infection, but I can’t think of any, and I certainly haven’t heard one.

    henrybowman in reply to MrE. | April 3, 2021 at 6:22 pm

    I also had it, starting Christmas Day. Mostly congestion, fatigue, and naps. Loss of taste (a blessing, since I dropped 15 pounds I could easily spare). Mild congestion and cough, milder than my usual colds, but lasted longer, almost two weeks. Also well over the age, with many co-morbidities, so I had been maxing out my D (and still am). Except for the duration and for the fear that it would get worse later, relatively a cakewalk. My two kids had it, asymptomatic. Probably my wife, too, though she’s never gotten a test. There’s zero reason for me to get any vaccine. Yeah, a few of my former clients died of COVID, and it’s a shame, but they were frail for years even back when I knew them.

    DSHornet in reply to MrE. | April 5, 2021 at 10:27 am

    We take multivitamins plus extra C, D, and melatonin, and we have a varied diet. My doc has told me several times my blood work is danged near perfect. Though we’re well into retirement age, we have stayed free of the Wuhan Flu AFAIK. By contrast, a cousin my age, who has been the picture of health for many years and routinely rides his bicycle for dozens of miles several times a week, has been hospitalized for three weeks and is now in critical condition. Why the contrast? Who knows?
    .

They still “require” a negative test before boarding an international flight to the US. From the CDC release on Friday
Fully vaccinated people must still have a negative COVID-19 test result before they board a flight to the United States and get a COVID-19 test 3 to 5 days after returning from international travel.

    Skip in reply to buck61. | April 3, 2021 at 2:37 pm

    Also should be noted she is a expert in Marxism
    Guessing my flights on planes are over.

    caseoftheblues in reply to buck61. | April 3, 2021 at 4:49 pm

    And they require nothing if you are being ushered in illegally over the border in fact even if you are positive it’s still a green light to go anywhere you want..board any flight or bus …hell the US will pay for that ticket and hand you an envelope full of cash

“If you’re vaccinated, you can do all these things…here’s all these freedoms that you have.” Because, otherwise, people are going to go out and enjoy those freedoms anyway.””

Are the unvaccinated going to be required to wear Yellow Stars?

These people are scary. There is nothing in the Constitution they believe in. Not a word.

2smartforlibs | April 3, 2021 at 4:49 pm

I can’t seem to find anything in the Constitution to back that claim

“Because, otherwise, if everything is reopen, then what’s the carrot going to be? How are we going to incentivize people to actually get the vaccine?”

What about the threat posed by the disease? I find it curious that she discounts this (by omission) as an incentive for vaccination. Shouldn’t the threat of mutations and new “surges” incentivize people to get vaccinated – not to get their freedoms back, but to save their lives. Indeed, if the virus is as dangerous as we’ve been told by “experts”, there wouldn’t have been any need for government to take our rights away, we would have stopped exercising them voluntarily in order to survive the threat.

ugottabekiddinme | April 3, 2021 at 7:50 pm

It has long been the case that one can refuse medical treatment. It surely must also be the case that no mandate can require submission to experimental medical treatment, which is what these mRNA vaccines are. They have an Emergency Use Authorization, not a full FDA approval because there was not time to go through the full process. Coupled with a protection from liability given the makers by the government, the entire risk of vaccinations falls on the individual. I think for now I’d rather risk contracting this 95% survivable illness, thanks.

    LibraryGryffon in reply to ugottabekiddinme. | April 3, 2021 at 11:18 pm

    Standard 1 of the Nuremberg Code (1947)

    The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision.

    And Standard 6:

    The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.

    It would seem that telling people that they have to stay locked up and away from all society for the rest of their lives if they won’t take an experimental vaccine/immunotherapy/whatever -it-is would be against the first standard, counting as coercion. Given that the actual risk of death from the bug for the vast majority of people is essentially nil, that would seem to be covered by the 6th standard.

    I’m planning on waiting since I have a genetic mutation which already puts me at greater risk of blood clots, and given that probably 80% of the population is already immune anyway (see the Diamond Princess and the Roosevelt) as well as suggestions that cat owners may already have some immunity due to exposure to other animal coronaviruses (our kitties love to share) and taking Vitamin D supplements, I’m far less concerned with the bug than the shot.

    Although I and my family are getting vaccinated, I TOTALLY SUPPORT your right not to.

Hate to be “racist”, but when I see a Chicom “expert”, my first reaction is to assume he/she/it’s lying.

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