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Trump Supporters Storm Capital Hill, Attack Police and Breaking Windows

Trump Supporters Storm Capital Hill, Attack Police and Breaking Windows

Pepper spray used in the Rotunda.

https://twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1346894172574404613

Trump supporters breached security and stormed into Capital Hill. Reports say that Capital Police had to use pepper spray in the Rotunda.

Others say they are shooting into the chamber.

People have doused Twitter with videos.

https://twitter.com/BecketAdams/status/1346907684063371265

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notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital | January 6, 2021 at 3:03 pm

0snowshooze | January 6, 2021 at 1:54 pm
Senate floor live:

https://livestream.com/fednet/senate

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They should tear down a statue to get MSNBC to legitimize it.

https://twitter.com/DMacleoMaine/status/1346911634812399627

disenfranchised voters and anyone that disagrees is a racist.
thats how identity politics works right??

    MattMusson in reply to dmacleo. | January 6, 2021 at 5:35 pm

    Yesterday I heard reports of Antifa buses coming into DC with a Police Escort. With the identification of Antifa in the Capital Building you have to wonder if this was a set up in conjunction with Senior Government officials.

After watching people burn down businesses and homes, murder cops, assault civilians and get lauded by the media as peaceful protestors for the last year, it is easy to understand how a small portion of the protestors have acted wrongfully.

The police even used tear gas, which has been banned against rioters with guns.

And these people will actually be arrested and prosecuted, unlike the others who were treated like heroes.

    alaskabob in reply to JOHN B. | January 6, 2021 at 3:25 pm

    Gee… if Antifa used the mostly peaceful protests to wreck things..they could do it here. I am certain that the Left will spin everything. Of course, anyone in black and in full gear will not be arrested by the police. Old men ..yes… antifa..no.

    That said… President Obama reminded people that the only way to get politicians’ notice is to make them ‘uncomfortable”. I have no doubt that part of the legal decisions against the Trump election were under duress. I hate to see this go this route but I can see the major frustration of knowing the elections were stolen. No matter how they spin this, the Dems know they haven’t cowed the entire populace.

    The peaceable assembly got nowhere. Mostly peaceful “protests” did.

    henrybowman in reply to JOHN B. | January 6, 2021 at 3:36 pm

    “The police even used tear gas, which has been banned against rioters with guns.”

    Um… What?

    Gee whiz, that sure seems fair to me, mister. /s

Let the divorce begin.

there multiple groups? saw reports on twitter that were some flag waving peaceful people and some people destroying stuff.
not watching it myself as I don’t care and would be very happy to have to replace most of the 535 people of a certain….job description…

2smartforlibs | January 6, 2021 at 3:22 pm

When 74 million voters and your fascist thugs get together what did you think was going to happen? The leadership no loner supports the will of the people.

    alaskabob in reply to 2smartforlibs. | January 6, 2021 at 3:28 pm

    McConnell…whose nickname is “The Turtle”…is a reptile. Skillfully maneuvered himself back into minority status. Must be a relief.

SURPRISE, SURPRISE, SURPRISE.

Donald Trump was elected in 2016 to send a message to the political class that a significant portion of the citizenry was not happy with being ignored by their elected officials. The elected political class ignored them. People have been warning since the day after the election that government had to address the charges of election fraud which appeared to have stolen the election from one candidate and delivered it to another. 70+ million people were said to be very upset about the situation. People begged various government organs to, at least, investigate the charges. None would do that. When the government is not only not responsive to the needs of the people that it serves but actively oppose those interests, the people are left with no other choice than to resort to extralegal means to gain redress.

The tragedy here is that the elected political class lives in a bubble which is so divorced from reality that they did not see this coming. There are TWO documents which define this nation. One is the Constitution. The other is the Declaration of Independence. When the first does not appear to be working, then people will default to the the second document.

I’ll comment more as this wears on.

    GWB in reply to Mac45. | January 6, 2021 at 4:20 pm

    My only disagreement is with this: “resort to extralegal means”.
    Given the DoI, and the fact of Constitutional violations over decades, I’m not so fast to call them “extralegal”. Perhaps “extrajudicial” or “extranormative”….

      Mac45 in reply to GWB. | January 6, 2021 at 4:36 pm

      The DoI was a justification for extralegal means to be used to divorce the Colonies from England. Almost with out exception, when the citizens of a part of an established political area tell the overarching political power that they are leaving and taking the territory with them, the government which they are divorcing themselves from is going to disagree and probably use force to stop the proposed action. The DoI justifies using force to consummate the divorce. And, the Founders knew that it would likely have to be used again.

I saw a post to Mark Levin on twitter claiming Antifa infiltrated the march and is causing the problems. Don’t know if it’s true….

    alaskabob in reply to Moon Battery. | January 6, 2021 at 3:35 pm

    Probably… but who shot the woman demonstrator in the Capital? Best guess… Antifa first and police a distant second. As for Georga and Kansas…I guess Antifa.

      snopercod in reply to alaskabob. | January 6, 2021 at 3:43 pm

      Gateway Pundit is saying she was shot by Capitol Hill Police.

      Mac45 in reply to alaskabob. | January 6, 2021 at 4:01 pm

      The shooting is going to be an officer involved shooting. Whether it is ruled justified or not remains to be seen.

        alaskabob in reply to Mac45. | January 6, 2021 at 4:09 pm

        Shot a young small female Trump supporter at point-blank range. This makes Floyd, Gray, Brown look SO small. Gee.. can we maybe start “mostly peaceful” protests now? The Capital Police .. regardless… showed tactical and strategic stupidity.

          Mac45 in reply to alaskabob. | January 6, 2021 at 4:16 pm

          Be careful jump off the conclusion cliff, here. So far all we know for sure is that a young, female protester was shot. From early indications, this was done by a LEO. What we do not know are the circumstances involved. We do not know if the shooting was intentional or, if so, if the woman was the target. We do not know if the discharge was accidental or intentional. If accidental, we do not know if any action from anyone else was responsible for the discharge.

          So, for now, we have a regrettable incident which requires further investigation.

          henrybowman in reply to alaskabob. | January 6, 2021 at 4:31 pm

          @Mac45: So why should we give the LEAST of a #*&$ about any of these details, any more than the beatifists of Gray, Floyd, or Brown did.
          Look, here’s ALL that matters.
          1. Cop.
          2. Shot.
          3. Young woman
          Start the mostly peaceful protests NOW.

          Mac45 in reply to alaskabob. | January 6, 2021 at 4:42 pm

          Because to do otherwise is idiocy. As you point out, jumping to conclusions, with regard to OISs, has resulted in all kinds of problems. In the case of the demonstration and occupation of the Capital, this came after two months of demands for an investigation into election fraud which is thought to have resulted in the rightful winner of the election to be denied his office. And, the various organs of the government have done nothing. All that had to be done to avert this, at this time, was to actually investigate the charges. See the difference?

          alaskabob in reply to alaskabob. | January 6, 2021 at 5:06 pm

          I agree with Mac45 on this. Have to wait…but… let me run with a scenario as things stand… supposition. This shooting will rank up there with the Iranian sniper shot during the Green demonstration. If this was a calculated attempt to stop a “riot” or even a negligent discharge… the result is a dead person from poor tactical training and situational awareness.

          By the way… the same furry horned dude in the Senate chamber was part of an antifa protest in Arizona I understand.

    I, at this point, do not care who is doing it, it is what needs to be done!

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I’ve been expecting this, and I applaud it wholeheartedly! The police DID NOTHING while BLM and Antifa burned, looted and murdered. Time for some payback! This will not end today, I assure you.

    MarkS in reply to Dave. | January 6, 2021 at 3:43 pm

    Let’s hope not! Roberts was worried about riots…and Karma bit him where it’s gonna hurt

    alaskabob in reply to Dave. | January 6, 2021 at 3:59 pm

    The state legislatures peaceably partitioned before Congress to halt the proceedings due to major concerns about election fraud and they were ignored. The political system was comfortable with the FIX.

    I am torn… but sometimes events and inertia trip the switch. IF the police shot the woman through the opening through the wall/door.. then they violated all three conditions for self defense and are no different than the sniper who killed the woman in Iran during the Green demonstrations.

I have know idea who who did what, but we can be sure of two things:

1. The Joseph Goebbels media will lie about who is responsible.
2. The Biden* administration will use this as an excuse to begin arresting political opponents and start setting up kangaroo courts and concentration camps. All that talk before the election about “truth commissions” was a clear signal of what they planned to do.

If “they” can say that there’s no evidence of voter fraud, election anomalies, or outright electoral theft, I’m comfortable saying there are no Trump Supporters Storming Capital Hill, Attacking Police and Breaking Windows…

I’m torn between hating the violence and wishing I was there with them.

Several claims of Antifa incitment.

What did these deep state, CCP-loving, cheating m-f’ers *think* was going to happen?

What happens if they don’t finish counting today?

Don’t ever believe you can’t push someone or a group as large as 75 million too far without retribution.

Looked mostly peaeful to me — No buildings on fire. No cars burning. No broken windows and looting. No one shot, stabbed, or beaten up by protesters.

And evidently the only protesters police shoot with real bullets are Trump supporting protesters.

    GWB in reply to JHogan. | January 6, 2021 at 4:14 pm

    At least one policeman was evidently injured.

    mark311 in reply to JHogan. | January 6, 2021 at 4:26 pm

    There are a number of reports of violence towards the police

      Breaking news from the Antifa/BLM “mostly peaceful protests” this past spring.

      JHogan in reply to mark311. | January 6, 2021 at 4:32 pm

      Let’s flashback to the Antifa/BLM riots and assaults on police, Federal agents, and the Federal Courthouse in Portland over the summer. And compare.

        mark311 in reply to JHogan. | January 6, 2021 at 4:47 pm

        No one is suggesting those actions were good but to attack the confirmation of the new president is an attack on the heart of democracy. So even in context of the stupidity and violence of BLM/Antifa in certain cases this is a lot worse.

          GWB in reply to mark311. | January 6, 2021 at 4:55 pm

          to attack the confirmation of the new president is an attack on the heart of democracy
          Only if you believe the guy planning his peopleless inauguration was actually legally elected. Otheriwse, it’s support for the legal process. (And we don’t have a democracy.)

          mark311 in reply to mark311. | January 6, 2021 at 5:02 pm

          @gwb

          Belief eh, that’s your justification. Well hate to break it to you but the evidence presented to court was shot down in flames.

      felixrigidus in reply to mark311. | January 6, 2021 at 4:45 pm

      Mark311, if your claims are true you can point us to a court decision that has accepted your conclusions. If you cannot, by your own logic, your claims are untrue, because no court has accepted your “evidence” for it happening.

        mark311 in reply to felixrigidus. | January 6, 2021 at 4:48 pm

        Excuse me? Are you asking for a court decision on the events that are currently happening?

          felixrigidus in reply to mark311. | January 6, 2021 at 5:14 pm

          Yes.

          Your standards applied to your argument.
          You seem to be unhappy to be held to your own standards?

          mark311 in reply to mark311. | January 6, 2021 at 5:41 pm

          You are just being intellectually dishonest. Asking for a court decision on a current set of events which haven’t even finished yet. What on earth are you on.

        felixrigidus in reply to felixrigidus. | January 6, 2021 at 5:17 pm

        Yes, indeed, mark311.

        That is your own standard applied to your arguments.
        You don’t seem to like being held to your own standard?
        I’m genuinely surprised. I didn’t think you of all people would turn out to be a hypocrite.

          henrybowman in reply to felixrigidus. | January 6, 2021 at 7:59 pm

          You’re more charitable than I.

          mark311 in reply to felixrigidus. | January 8, 2021 at 12:20 pm

          My standard is evidence , what you are asking for is a court decision on an event that’s only just happened I’m disappointed in your standard of arguments. What you are asking for is physically impossible. I’ve used court decisions as evidence for my positions not as an impossible goal post to meet or score against.

        mark311 in reply to felixrigidus. | January 6, 2021 at 5:43 pm

        It may well be I’ve gotten confused with what you are referring too. If you are refering to the election fraud I’ve sent an example to mac45 on a different comment in this post.

Congress has worse than failed us. The Supreme Court is anything but. Our Federal government is full of corrupt liars and cheats and does not deserve our respect (or their pay, pensions and benefits). The same goes for the rest of the Judicial branch and the rest of the swamp including the spooks. They are an embarrassment.

China Joe, Schmucky, and Princess Pelosi are probably drafting an Enabling Act as I write this. With Kneepads Kam offering her input.

Reports of Antifa busses, 6 of them.
Trump has activated the National Guard

    Doctor-Elect Disco Stu_ in reply to snowshooze. | January 6, 2021 at 7:45 pm

    If true – and shouldn’t be a shock if it is true – there’s going to have to be genuinely documented evidence: Credible eyewitness reports, multiple sources, honest photographs and/or videos.

Honestly, Congress (heck, all three branches) has been stomping on the Constitution for a long time now, and this is the inevitable result.

This had to happen. The “right” has been playing Marquis of Queensbury in a street brawl for a long time now, and this was going to happen. (I’m also disappointed no politician got tarred and feathered.)

I can’t say I like the timing or the subject of the outrage. But the Dems have fanned the fuse for four years – this is what you get.

BTW, anyone else ever read Bio Of A Space Tyrant, by Piers Anthony? Particularly the 3rd and 4th books ()?

buckeyeminuteman | January 6, 2021 at 4:14 pm

Congress wanted to fuck around. Now they’re finding out.

I cannot condone the actions of the Rioters. As far as I’m concerned they are acting violently without justification to attempt to change the democratic will of the nation. If you seriously support these actions then I’m done with you, you are morally and intellectually pathetic.

    But BLM and Antifa are ok, yes?

      Don’t be an idiot that has no bearing on the current situation. Ive never mentioned those two groups or there actions so how the hell would you know my opinion of them. This is about the actions of Trump supports right now.

        Nice try Pinocchio. But after a spring and summer of BLM and Antifa rioting, robbing, burning, murdering, raping and looting to their hearts’ content you don’t exactly possess the moral high ground any more.

          My point is that those events are not relevant to the current events. What you are in effect saying is if someone else commits a crime you are allowed to which is moronic. Your argument does not work on a fundamental level. If you could kindly address the point which is that Trump supporters have decided to be morons and cause violence to police officers

        nordic_prince in reply to mark311. | January 6, 2021 at 5:11 pm

        Are you really that obtuse that you refuse to see you’re applying a double standard? Or are you one of those jerks who wouldn’t have any standards whatsoever if it weren’t for double standards?

        If you were silent about the antics of the terrorist groups BLM and Antifa this past summer, you’ve lost the moral authority to bitch about what’s going on now in DC. And as far as that goes, it wouldn’t be at all surprising to find out that it’s BLM and Antifa wearing false colors for the express twofer purpose of stirring up shit and blaming true Trump supporters in the process.

    henrybowman in reply to mark311. | January 6, 2021 at 4:46 pm

    Well, it’s about f*g time. We’ve been done with you for weeks. Go back to Massachusetts, ya pinko. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you, and we never considered you our countryman in the first place.

      mark311 in reply to henrybowman. | January 6, 2021 at 4:51 pm

      If you mean we as in your fellow conspiracy theorist who have no critical thinking capability then no loss there. If you can’t be bothered to make a coherent argument then clearly you think you are full of shit too.

    MarkS in reply to mark311. | January 6, 2021 at 4:49 pm

    Good thing that you weren’t there when it was time to litter Boston harbor with some tea

    Mac45 in reply to mark311. | January 6, 2021 at 5:06 pm

    Whether you choose to support the actions of those who stormed the Capital, is irrelevant. But, it should not be unexpected. For a decade, approximately half the country has been sending a message to its elected politicians that thy are tired of being ignored. In 2016 they elected DJT to drive that message home. The politicians, notably the Republicans, continued to ignore them. In 2018, they stayed home and gave thee House back to the Dems. Not because they supported the Dems, but to drive home the message that they wanted their voices to be heard. The government, notably the federal government, refused to listen to them. In 2020, there was a massive turnout to reelect DJT. And, it appears that DJT may well have been lawfully elected, except for election fraud, in specific places, which may have swung the election results to Biden. His supporters, who comprise approximately 1/2 of the electorate, asked, repeatedly, for charges of election law violations be investigated. The government(s) refused to conduct any meaningful investigations, for TWO months. A certain portion of those supporters are understandably upset about being ignored once again and have taken action to get their government’s attention. This should not surprise anyone, who has not been either living in a cave or listening solely to CNN and MSNBC. People have been warning of this possibility for months.

      mark311 in reply to Mac45. | January 6, 2021 at 5:23 pm

      We have been through this so many times.

      First the election fraud has been investigated. Nothing has been found.

      Second the evidence from the Trump legal team has been presented to court on a number of occasions. And been rejected because it’s weak

      Third challenges to election laws should happen before the election not after because otherwise the remedy is disproportionate

      Fourth there have been public hearing where again the evidence has been looked at and the Trump legal team did terribly again.

      Fifth I appreciate your point that those who voted for Trump are disappointed or feel ignored. That’s fine but it does NOT justify violence.

      Sixth I’ve given you so many links, and sources proving you to be wrong and you’ve yet to respond with a reasoned argument. More fundamentally I’ve yet to be presented with a proper source that establishes the claim of fraud. Not ONCE.

        Mac45 in reply to mark311. | January 6, 2021 at 7:28 pm

        Quickly,

        1) Wrong
        2) Wrong
        3) The Trump campaign DID go to court in PA BEFORE the election and the case was dismissed because the court said no damage would have occurred until AFTER the election occurred.
        4) Actually, almost none of the evidence presented to the state legislatures was ever effectively contradicted. It was simply ignored. There is a big difference.
        5)Tell that to the Founding Fathers.
        6)There are innumerable sources presenting evidence that significant fraud did, in fact, occur. The problem that we have here is that I have no idea what you consider “proper” sources. It seems that the only “proper” sources, for you, are those which support your position.

          mark311 in reply to Mac45. | January 7, 2021 at 3:50 am

          Quickly,

          1) Wrong – nope the various states have investigated, the doj has investigated, independent reporters have investigated,
          2) Wrong – nope the Brann judgement is one example and the the public hearing held in relation to georgia. There are other examples too.
          3) The Trump campaign DID go to court in PA BEFORE the election and the case was dismissed because the court said no damage would have occurred until AFTER the election occurred. – but still massively late compared to when the laws were introduced and then continued to use the argument after the election
          4) Actually, almost none of the evidence presented to the state legislatures was ever effectively contradicted. It was simply ignored. There is a big difference.
          Not correct, there have been lengthy take downs of every fact of the case presented. The so called expert witnesses on the Trump legal team had counter reports written demolishing there experience, arguments and factual basis, the witness statements were not ignored they were found not credible for a number of reasons including the fact that they showed a complete lack of understanding on how the election processes took place. Why pray tell me would bipartisan decisions be made dismissing the cases including Trump written judgements, I’ll tell you why because the cases presented were weak.
          5)Tell that to the Founding Fathers. Who rebelled after having a valid and legal vote to leave hence the declaration of independence. Are you saying that vote was illegal too or are you saying that they just rebelled without cause. Either way you are wrong.
          6)There are innumerable sources presenting evidence that significant fraud did, in fact, occur. The problem that we have here is that I have no idea what you consider “proper” sources. It seems that the only “proper” sources, for you, are those which support your position. You have yet to provide a source ever, you keep saying there is loads of evidence but youve yet to provide a source that backs up your claims. I asked multiple times and how many links have you sent none, zero. So claiming there is innumerable evidence is just word salad it means nothing without actually providing that evidence. If you have a source that can actually present a coherent case I’d be happy to look at it.

    Sanddog in reply to mark311. | January 6, 2021 at 5:43 pm

    I don’t support violence but I absolutely support the people protesting their government. Not burning down buildings, not rioting, not looting for change.. actually taking their grievances towards the people responsible. That is about as American as you can get.

    dmacleo in reply to mark311. | January 6, 2021 at 6:26 pm

    bye betty

Reality Check — If Trump had won by the same margins China Joe allegedly did we’d be watching Antifa/BLM doing much worse. And guess what the Dems and the MSM would be saying about it.

There’s no way out anymore. I suspect this is only the beginning of an inevitably escalating internal conflict. A conflict the Dems fueled for four years and ignited during the summer.

And since the Dems are now in charge they’ll go full Prwellian fascist and start arresting and incarcerating Trump supporters whenever they can. Expect draconian anti-gun laws and confiscations.

All traces of Emmanuel Goldstein, ooops, I mean Trump, must be erased.

    mark311 in reply to JHogan. | January 6, 2021 at 4:44 pm

    Reality check you are not omniscient you have no idea what would have happened if the shoe was on the other foot.

      henrybowman in reply to mark311. | January 6, 2021 at 4:49 pm

      Because this is the first time this shoe HAS been on the other foot.
      How do ya like us now, CNN?

      JHogan in reply to mark311. | January 6, 2021 at 4:51 pm

      Reality Check —

      Let’s flashback to the Antifa/BLM riots and assaults on police, Federal agents, and the Federal Courthouse in Portland over the summer. And consider.

      “BLM-antifa tried to break into a federal building in Portland for months in 2020 using explosives, power tools, rope, etc. The tanks never came in and the national response was that it was wrong for federal officers to even protect the building.” — Andy Ngo on
      twitter today.

      Also from today…“Security Finds Pipe Bombs At RNC Headquarters In DC, Detonates In Controlled Explosion” — from The Federalist.

How do you know the rioters are “Trump Supporters”?
The disregard Trumps call to remain absolutely peaceful. The provide the Democrats with the excuse to send troops into DC.

So, again, how do you know?

    mark311 in reply to felixrigidus. | January 6, 2021 at 4:42 pm

    What the hell is wrong with you? Are you seriously suggesting that a protest organised around flawed claims of trump’s defeat in the capitol with protestors shouting Trump won could be anyone else.

    Trump has been pretty weak in his response. He has been warned by many parties that by stirring his supporters and repeating the many false claims regarding the election that it could cause problems. This is his actions over the course of the last few months which has resulted in violence. You don’t get to say oh be nice when you’ve been attacking everyone who points out he is wrong and activity encouraging the protests and making claims that he won when clearly he did not.

      MarkS in reply to mark311. | January 6, 2021 at 4:51 pm

      There is nothing flawed with Trump’s claims. If you listened to what he said today you would know that he gave evidence of massive voter fraud, none of which has been disputed

        mark311 in reply to MarkS. | January 6, 2021 at 4:53 pm

        No, all of the claims have been disputed and shown to be a crock of shit. Just because you can’t accept your man lost doesn’t make what he says gospel truth.

        Sorry for the thumbs down, MarkS.

        There have been several politicians who have said hearings should be held about this election to ensure the “irregularities” don’t happen again. In so saying, they admit there were “irregularities” (barf) but never seem to get around to how it is they are addressed in the here and now for how it affected Trump/Pence and 75M voters. Like, we’re all supposed to take it this time, they’ll investigate and fix it next time. Makes my head numb trying to figure that kind of short-sightedness.

      henrybowman in reply to mark311. | January 6, 2021 at 5:00 pm

      The evidence of a cheat and a steal is overwhelming and irrefutable. Go peddle your lies somewhere else.

        mark311 in reply to henrybowman. | January 6, 2021 at 5:07 pm

        Are you kidding me have you actually looked at the judgements from any of the cases. The evidence presented was eviscerated. Its ironic that on a legal website that you display such a profound lack of understanding on the subject.

          Since you present yourself as an authority, have you looked at all the judgments?

          Is a dismissal for standing one where there was “evisceration” of the evidence?

          This did not occur in a vacuum. An “authority” should understand.

          mark311 in reply to mark311. | January 6, 2021 at 5:28 pm

          @oldschooltwentysix

          I have read a number of them, I would direct you to the Brann judgement for example which chided the Trump legal team for making extraordinary claims without providing much in the way of evidence. I would also direct you to the public hearing that took place where all the Trump legal team presented there case and were destroyed.

          In your mind, which is clearly biased. You said the evidence from “any” of the cases. But, in fact, you do not really know, do you?

          The issues of whether or not the non-legislative changes to state election laws were valid has not been adjudicated as to Constitutionality.

          This may be the actual start of a movement of the disenfranchised, and the manipulation of an election, which you seem to show little concern.

          mark311 in reply to mark311. | January 6, 2021 at 5:56 pm

          I’m not sure I see your point , Trump lost around 60 legal cases and only won 1 minor one. Each times on various ground he lost including on the basis of the evidence.

          You miss the point regarding election laws , arguing the difference between 3 days or 5 days to allow late ballots or whatever number it might have been did not really impact on election integrity. If it was a concern it would have been litigated against when it came into force but it wasn’t it was only challenged when Trump lost. Tis means that the remedy is disenfranchisment which is clearly a very bad thing to do. There is no argument as the courts found to disenfranchise millions of people because of a technical change to the law.

          Read the Constitution concerning who makes election laws.

          mark311 in reply to mark311. | January 6, 2021 at 6:21 pm

          You have missed the point again. Would it be fair to disenfranchise millions of votes based on a technicality. No it wouldn’t the courts made a judgement on that which I agree with.

      felixrigidus in reply to mark311. | January 6, 2021 at 5:01 pm

      This from a commenter claiming there has been no fraud because no evidence for that exists.
      Pray tell, what evidence do you have for your claim?
      The cui bono test points in the opposite direction. This is the excuse the left needs to use force against people on their lists.

        felixrigidus in reply to felixrigidus. | January 6, 2021 at 5:05 pm

        There should be quotation marks around “no fraud because no evidence exists” – an edit function would be useful…

        mark311 in reply to felixrigidus. | January 6, 2021 at 5:09 pm

        That’s a fallacy, the onus is on you to prove your argument. You are the one convinced of fraud and as I’ve asked on numerous occasions present me with a coherent authoritive source that demonstrated this. Every time I ask it’s radio silence you know why because there isn’t one. Every legal argument and the vast majority of evidence presented has been looked at and found wanting.

        felixrigidus in reply to felixrigidus. | January 6, 2021 at 5:28 pm

        It is not a fallacy, but it demonstrates you misunderstood what I ask you to provide evidence for. It is you who claims the attacks are carried out by “Trump supporters”, not I.
        It is you who has to provide a justification for your claim.

          mark311 in reply to felixrigidus. | January 6, 2021 at 5:35 pm

          For clarity I was responding to this “This from a commenter claiming there has been no fraud because no evidence for that exists.
          Pray tell, what evidence do you have for your claim?”

          As for proving it’s Trump supporters, it’s a Trump election protest, with people shouting Trump won and every single news outlet showing pictures and videos of people distinctly looking like Trump supporters. I’m not really sure how you could entertain the possibility that the protestors are anyone else? Feel free to prove me wrong with evidence

          Mark311, There has been no investigation into whether these folks are Trump supporters therefore your claims are debunked. In addition you have no standing so case dismissed. How does it feel because that’s what the courts have done with the election lawsuits.

          mark311 in reply to felixrigidus. | January 7, 2021 at 3:55 am

          @r2468

          Feelings don’t come into it only reasoned argument. The situation is developing so yes I might be proved wrong but at this stage the overwhelming logic and evidence supports the case that it is Trump supporters.

“Security Finds Pipe Bombs At RNC Headquarters In DC, Detonates In Controlled Explosion” — from The Federalist

No pipe bombs found in the Capital building. No pipe bombs confiscated from Trump supporters. Or molotov cocktails.

So who are the violent ones? Dem supporters or Trump supporters?

    mark311 in reply to JHogan. | January 6, 2021 at 4:56 pm

    Sorry conflating different events makes no sense. The news reports clearly indicate rioters breaching barriers in the capital building. Why are you unable to condemn the violent actions of a Trump supporter? Its a simple test of morality and belief in the constitution. At present it is starting to feel like you only believe in mob rule

      You say “Trump supporter” with such certainty.

      Did they provide ID that said “Trump supporter” that we’re unaware of? You deny Antifa has infiltrated? That Trump supporters ordered up and strategically placed the pallets of bricks and 20lb propane bottles I’ve read about elsewhere? When has that ever been the MO of a Trump gathering?

      Maybe you should not not have spent several months this spring and summer rioting, raping, looting, burning, and murdering and trying to pass it off as “mostly peaceful protests”.

      Enjoy the perverse incentive system you created.

        Making an argument based on a massive assumption which you couldn’t possibly have knowledge of is fundamentally dishonest. And besides insulting someone is not an argument it’s a fallacy

      Mac45 in reply to mark311. | January 6, 2021 at 5:22 pm

      “Its a simple test of morality and belief in the constitution.” Well, this nation was born from the “immorality” of the American Revolution. Therefor, this whole nation must be “immoral”. Then we have “belief in the constitution”. This whole demonstration is based upon a reasonable belief that the government(s) do not believe in the Constitution. Again, with the widely spread belief that significant vote fraud occurred, one would assume that organs of the government would have launched, or authorized, investigations into the charges. None of that came to pass. So, two months later, when we are on the cusp of certifying the Electoral College vote, these people have resorted to more graphic means of gaining their elected officials’ attention. As I mentioned earlier, there are two documents which govern thee founding of this nation, the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. If people feel that the first is not working, then thy will likely embrace the second.

        mark311 in reply to Mac45. | January 6, 2021 at 5:31 pm

        I won’t repeat my comments re election fraud. Addressing your other point I’m not sure I see your point about morality. I try to be a moral persona whether or not America was born out of immorality or morality shouldn’t have a bearing on me personally. With regard to the constitution well it seems to me that respecting the electoral process is the same as respecting the constitution which at present Trump supports at the capital are not.

          Mac45 in reply to mark311. | January 6, 2021 at 6:01 pm

          Look, you have to face reality. You mention respecting the electoral process is respecting the Constitution. Fine. But, the point is that the provisions of the electoral process were believed to have been violated which resulted in the election being stolen. If this is the case, then who failed to respect the Constitution? The Constitution is a contract. The citizens of the US are supposed to be in agreement that things, like elections, will bee done in a certain way so that no one party has an unfair advantage. Reasonable suspicion that these compacts were violated exists and these claims should have been investigated by government organs. THIS DID NOT HAPPEN, for two months. So, a certain portion of the population is now attempting to gain the attention of their elected representatives. This idea that we should allow theft to occur and simply shrug our shoulders and ignore it? If a person with a forged document showed up at your house and said they owned it, would you simply pack up and leave? What if you called the police and they refused to do anything? What if you went to court and were told your case was dismissed without ever having the evidence examined? Think about it.

          To make it worse, the liberal Progressives supported far more violent and damaging riots and demonstrations for several months this summer. Looking back, is what is good for the goose for the gander?

          mark311 in reply to mark311. | January 6, 2021 at 6:16 pm

          You keep saying that the allegations of electoral fraud were not investigated that’s simply not true. The states have investigated the doj have investigated.

          As for the electoral processes well respecting the constitution would also include respecting the court decisions. At present time that hasn’t worked out so what gives you the right to question the process. Its certainly not evidence because that’s been widely debunked.

          mark311 in reply to mark311. | January 6, 2021 at 6:18 pm

          You aslo keep saying the evidence want presented to court that isn’t true and I e shown you sources previously demonstrating that. You don’t seem able to take on board the facts

          Mac45 in reply to mark311. | January 6, 2021 at 6:43 pm

          Mark, the state have NOT, by and large, investigated claims of election law violations. We have seen credible video evidence and received credible eyewitness testimony, in the form of affidavits of thee violations. And, there are no active investigations being conducted by LEAs.

          Cases presented to courts, requesting that certification be temporarily enjoined until the cases could be properly investigated. None of these courts dismissed the cases based upon evidence being presented in open court to be examined and found wanting. That did not happen. The courts ruled that there was no standing to sue, for a variety of reasons. The Trump campaign and his supporters were summarily denied to them, by the courts.

          The same is true with various state Legislatures. Where hearing were conducted, the evidence presented was not debunked. But, with one possible exception, every legislature simply shrugged the evidence off and did nothing.

          Would this have happened, if any government organ would have done its job and authorized and conducted reasonable investigations? Maybe. Maybe not. The problem is, that did not happen. Courts granted no relief to allow time for investigations to be done. No LEA has an open investigation into election law violations, as far as we know. And, no legislative action was taken in regard to the violations. See the problem? If sufficient fraud occurred to swing the election, then 74 million voters were disenfranchised. But, the powers-that-be made NO attempt to assuage these people’s fears that their votes were stolen.

          mark311 in reply to mark311. | January 7, 2021 at 3:59 am

          The states have investigated claims, and the supposed videos and testimony you refer to have been discredited. Slicing videos and witnesses ignorant of what they are seeing. All this has been gone through on a number of occasions. Your arguments considering how many times I’ve provided sources and facts showing them to be false are starting to feel like straw man arguments. I’ve given you the benefit of the doubt thus far but increasingly it seems you are ignoring the plain evidence in front of you

A false flag operation. The large group of Trump protestors were infiltrated by professional agitators seen at several Antifa / BLM events over the last few years. The viking guy with the horns is a professional paid actor from Arizona who has been messing with Trump counter protesters all across the country. There’s many photos of this guy online. The breaching of the Capitol was started by these clowns and some of the mob joined in. Most all the people filmed inside the Capitol are Antifa wearing Trump hats and carrying Trump flags but they are imposters. Don’t let them get away with it. There certainly were Trump supports on the Capitol steps but they were not dumb enough to enter the building.

When left-wing demonstrators were blocking streets around the capital and attacking republican congressmen, the DC police would not protect them or disperse the protesters.

    mark311 in reply to ccscientist. | January 6, 2021 at 5:57 pm

    I asked for a source

      mark311, I’ll save you some time. No one here owes you anything; if you want to research what we are telling you, do so. If you think you are changing a single mind, um, I can’t stop laughing. But trolls gotta troll, so keep doing you.

        This is my basic issue I have researched it and the stuff I’m being told doesn’t bear up to scrutiny.

        A troll wouldn’t provide direct sources or reasoned arguments. You seem to think that when someone has a different perspective that makes them a troll. Well that’s not what a troll is. It seems to me you are unable to take on board a difference in opinion.

        As for changing minds who knows

          No, mark311, I think a troll is a useful idiot who appears on “opposite ideology” comment boards and then proceeds to badger and bore the commenting base with ever-changing goal posts for proving “X” or “Y,” and in that, my trolly little friend, you excel.

          Frankly, I’m surprised anyone is still bothering to feed you. Feeding the trolls is a sure way to keep them around, but it’s also a fun exercise that keeps our critical thinking skills sharp. Note that every time you shift the goal posts, our readership nimbly out-maneuvers you. It’s a joy to see on the one hand, but becoming exhaustingly old on the other.

          mark311 in reply to mark311. | January 7, 2021 at 4:04 am

          No I haven’t shifted the goal posts I haven’t set any goal post other than evidence. Where evidence has been presented I’ve pointed out why that doesn’t work from an evidenced based point of view. You clearly haven’t understood my posts nor bothered to check the claims made by some of the posters. All the claims I’ve made are backed up by court decisions can you make the same claim?

          mark311 in reply to mark311. | January 7, 2021 at 4:10 am

          I have to say I’m not sure critical thinking is your strong point, you seem to have lapped up the conspiracy theories.

          henrybowman in reply to mark311. | January 7, 2021 at 6:54 pm

          “Frankly, I’m surprised anyone is still bothering to feed you.”

          On a comment board with a decent interface, that lets individuals block other individuals, they wouldn’t be.

        notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to nordic_prince. | January 6, 2021 at 6:10 pm

        Thanks.

        mark311 in reply to nordic_prince. | January 6, 2021 at 6:13 pm

        Interesting link. Reading the Twitter feed it’s not really definitive in either direction. The guy may be a Trump supporter or may not. All the fees really shows is that he is active in the various protests and likes wearing a q.

          dmacleo in reply to mark311. | January 6, 2021 at 6:31 pm

          sliding scale strikes again.
          I’d call you retarded but that makes mods angry so I won’t.

          Heh, I see what you did there. 😛

          henrybowman in reply to mark311. | January 6, 2021 at 8:26 pm

          “Look at those S.O.B. goalposts run!!!”

          mark311 in reply to mark311. | January 7, 2021 at 9:19 am

          Sorry your insult doesn’t really work. I looked at the feed and all it was was a pic of the guy and some chat discussing if it was or wasn’t a Trump supporter. It was full of hear say and chat. Given this is legal website I would have thought the concept of how good a source, or the quality of evidence would creep into your mind.

      Close The Fed in reply to mark311. | January 6, 2021 at 7:06 pm

      Uh, Rand Paul would be able to answer that question for you.

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