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Post-Debate Analysis — People tell me Trump did really well (Reader Poll – Who won?)

Post-Debate Analysis — People tell me Trump did really well (Reader Poll – Who won?)

Trump line of the night to Biden: “All talk and no action, just like a politician.”

So I got some text messages from Trump supporters telling me Trump did really well. So there’s that.

I’m definitely too close to this. My feelings watching — Biden was angry and hostile, and very pejorative towards Trump with almost every answer.

Trump was nice. What a turnaround.

Trump could have hit the China and Ukraine revelations harder, but at least it’s out there because Biden opened the door. Biden called the whole thing a Russian operation. It’s out there now, and that’s what matters.

Trump was very strong on not shutting down again, on building the economy, Biden’s history locking up black men, Biden starting the cages for children. He also repeatedly came back to the fact that Biden had 8 years in office and got done none of the things he says he will get done if elected — line of the night: “All talk and no action, just like a politician.”

The moderator Kristen Welker was better than Chris Wallace, but disproportionately interrupted and cut off Trump when he was scoring big points, asserting the need to move to the next topic.

To the extent the debate could have an impact on votes, it likely came near the end when Biden volunteered that he would transition the economy away from fossil fuel, and Trump responded that he hoped people were listening in Pennsylvania and Texas.

Update — having had 25 more minutes to think about it, my overall impression is that Joe Biden came across as old, really old and frail.

Like I said, I’m too close to this. So you vote. Who won the final debate?

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Good night, Old Joe. Sleep poorly.

Trump exceeded my expectations (which were low to begin with). He stayed on message for the most part and nailed Biden on his record.

Poor Biden looked shocked and confused much of the time. He’s clearly out of his element.

    Massinsanity in reply to Sanddog. | October 23, 2020 at 8:12 am

    Trump was solid except on the Healthcare question which I thought he fumbled badly.

    He hit Biden on his lack of getting things done in his 47 year career and on the Biden family hustle.

    But he also missed several opportunities to nail Biden.

    – When Iran came up he didn’t mention the ridiculous Iran deal that Obama/Biden pushed through or the pallet load of cash they sent to the Mullahs.

    – On race, while he hit Biden on the crime bill and “super predators” quote he didn’t mention Biden’s love affair with some of the worst racists to serve in the Senate over the last 50+ years including his love for Robert Byrd.

    – Also on race he failed to mention that even Biden’s own running mate basically called Joe a racist several months ago for the policies he supported in the senate and his attacks on busing. There are numerous quotes out there in which Biden cautioned that busing would resulting a “jungle” for his children. This is the type off inflammatory rhetoric that should be highlighted at every turn if Trump really wants to win more votes from the AA community.

      Massinsanity in reply to Massinsanity. | October 23, 2020 at 8:20 am

      One final point, in what was clearly a scripted moment for him Joe turned to the camera and said this election should be about honesty… he seriously said that. Trump should have pounced on Joe’s legacy as a serial liar but he didn’t. It was a huge opening but he missed it – the plagiarizing, all the lies about his academic prowess, his personal narrative, even the recent unbelievable proclamation that he started his college eduction at an HSBC. Trump should have crushed that but he didn’t

    I saw a comment that the mute actually worked in PDJT’s favor. With it he had to be a bit more focused and stay on message.
    In any case, PDJT spent the night nailing biden to the wall.

Well, I give Joe this – he went the distance.

But getting to the final bell left him beaten. Trump zinged the daylights outta Joe. I watched Joe’s facial expressions as Trump set off another bomb.

notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital | October 22, 2020 at 10:46 pm

Watch out Joe.

Patriots are coming after you.

UFC Champ Jorge Masvidal

    notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital. | October 23, 2020 at 2:52 am


    “A friend in LA said hes never seen so many open Ttump supporters.

    XGenPolitics national data suggest “%80 people believe their neighbor is voting Trump”.

    Isnt it illegal to fabricate skewed polling numbers to influence a US presidential election?

    The only place Biden is winning is in the evil minds of the CNN crime corporation. Real people dont buy Biden’s hook / line and know hes a sinker.

    Fire Barr, Wray and find someone who will do the job of punishing political corruption. The Plandemic was in the works since 2015, when the DNCs top US strategist suggested releasing a more deadly strain of the Zika virus by operatives already in place in strategic locations” (see “Salvage Program”, Podesta, Benenson Strategy Group, wikileaks email dump 10/16, page 6, option 4)….

    From around the web.

Trump was cucumber cool and let Biden hang himself with his own linguistic ropes.

Trump was more disciplined than the last debate. Definitely hit Joe hard on lack of any real accomplishments and got him to say he wanted to kill the oil industry. Joe did better than I expected, but at times looked lost and confused. Looking at his watch showed a disinterest in being there

Hopefully Jill throws away the key to the basement door after tonight.

If only Trump had done this in the first debate. I think it’s enough to shift the polls. It was such a bad night for Biden that Trump even won the segment on racism.

    According to two polls the President is over 50% in job approval (51% and 52% Zogby and Rasmussen respectively). No President up for re-election has failed when his job approval was 50% or more (His Imperial Executiveness, Emperor Barak the Nonpareil was at 50% 12 days before the election in 2012).

      Edward in reply to Edward. | October 23, 2020 at 12:06 am

      Obviously those were before tonight and I don’t think the President’s job approval will go down as a result of tonight’s thumping of Quid Pro Joe.

      Oh, for an edit function!

Classic Chuck Todd comment: “Trump kept bringing up the Hunter accusations, but unless you were tuned to Fox Primetime, you don’t understand it.”

Gee, I wonder why that would be? Could it be the total media blackout that reinforces their “ignorance” of the topic?

Not even close. HidenBidens clock got cleaned tonight.

Biden didn’t make any points with anyone on the fence, Trump did, over and over.

Trump is “Abraham Lincoln”… thank you Joe. At the cusp of potentially CWII, trying to keep the nation alive and intact while battling secessionist Dems… that actually fits.

Maybe the wind-up Dem’s Toy Candidate finally quite lying before the rubber band went limp.

As I said before… debating a lier and their moderator-protector is doubly tough. Lincoln talked about a “last great hope”… and here we are. Someone who fights for us… we need to fight for him.

notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital | October 22, 2020 at 11:01 pm

Jack Posobiec ??

Overheard in debate room from a well-known correspondent from a leading anti-Trump network

“It’s going to be a long 2nd term”

The most disturbing Biden image was the “jackass grin” that I last saw in the Biden/Ryan debate. It was his way of dismissing Trump, but it just made him look smarmy.

I came away from this very pleased, especially when Biden said that he would transition us out of oil in very few years.

Trump was very good. He knows his stuff.

Sorry he did not talk about Middle East peace, but there’s only so much time.

Trump shows his empathy with his actions, which exceeds the fake empathy of Biden’s words.

How many early voters have regrets? The worst idea ever.

    climate change was more important, not like they haven’t debated that before.

    Especially since it was supposed to be a foreign policy debate.

    Naturally they had to derail that since it could only have played to Trump’s strengths.

    Not this early voter! Wanted to get in my vote for Trump before my governor tries to shut down in-person voting again.

      Edward in reply to utroukx. | October 23, 2020 at 12:14 am

      We don’t have that problem here in Texas. My wife decided to vote early as she went by the County Courthouse on another errand. I told her I’m holding out to the 3d when I will walk down the Farm Road to the little Baptist Church/Precinct Polling Place and cast my vote.

        theduchessofkitty in reply to Edward. | October 23, 2020 at 1:11 am

        Well, I did my patriot duty here in Harris County, right before my local polling station closed for the day. No waiting whatsoever. I voted GOP all the way.

          The Friendly Grizzly in reply to theduchessofkitty. | October 23, 2020 at 12:53 pm

          I went over to our early vote station in Jonesborough. It’s an old True Value store, about the size of a small supermarket. There are probably 12 stations. Folks were lined up out the door and into the parking lot.

Trump defeated Biden and Welker

    Connivin Caniff in reply to buck61. | October 22, 2020 at 11:23 pm

    Frankly, I thought Welker did an excellent job. Most importantly, it looks like when Joe was hanging out in the basement, Jill was hanging OUT at the ice cream freezer. On a minor point, TRUMP RULED!!!

      She came across as balanced, but that’s just because we’re used to even worse. Actually someone said she interrupted Trump 24 times and Biden 3 times, and usually limited Trump’s time to reply but not Biden’s time.

        CountMontyC in reply to artichoke. | October 23, 2020 at 2:49 am

        It seemed to me that her interruptions of Biden occurred when he was about to lose it and the interruption gave him a chance to recover his composure whereas the interruptions of President Trump were intended to disrupt him

Can we now dispense with all the, “What if Trump wins the Electoral College but loses the popular vote again” nonsense?

    There’s no explanation that will calm the TDS addled …

    As an exercise the other day, I found somewhere the states were listed along with their electoral votes and copied it into a spreadsheet to do some number crunching. I was surprised to see that IF a candidate carried the 11 most populous states, they’d earn 270 EC votes. Conversely, it’s possible to win the 39 least populous states and DC and still come out with just 268 EC votes. Where the Dems are halfway to 270 with the gimme states of CA, NY, IL, MI and NJ – you’d think they’d be in favor of the EC. In fact, with the smaller northeast states, WA, OR and VA, the Dems have about 240 EC votes locked up. In the largest 11 states, the GOP only has a lock on TX and GA. So the GOP has to be competitive in 30+/- states to win by accumulating small numbers of EC votes.

    I think the Dems just like to whine.

      Barry Soetoro in reply to MrE. | October 23, 2020 at 1:09 am

      The parasites the Democrats recruit and groom are hive dwellers found only in large urban enclaves. They can’t survive in flyover country, which is solidly conservative.

        notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to Barry Soetoro. | October 23, 2020 at 10:16 am

        The City is Killing America

        America’s real problem are urban problems.

        Very good article of why Democrats have been destroying cities for the past 60 years.

          It was nearly 30 years ago I read “Penturbia: Where Real Estate Will Boom after the Crash of Suburbia” by Jack Lessinger. At the time I was commuting to the sh!thole that was the Boeing factory on the Duwamish River from my home in south King co. 30 miles to the south. How I loathed hour-long commute to the filthy factory area and pined for living a simple life in “the country”. And then came my break – a divorce and a layoff – blessing wrapped in pain. Years later, new love and marriage, to a small town girl, who lived in the kind of small rural community I wanted for myself. I am Job, and forever grateful for the experience. Cities are sh!tholes. And Seattle is vying for the crown.

          The actual relocation back into America can be wrenching and painful, but the long-term results are orders of magnitude more rewarding and hopefully last for the rest of your life.

      gospace in reply to MrE. | October 23, 2020 at 1:47 am

      And if all the states did it the way Maine and Nebraska do- the Democrats wouldn’t stand a chance.

        Dean V in reply to gospace. | October 24, 2020 at 10:23 am

        I crunched the numbers if electoral votes were allocated by congressional district, as is done in Maine and Nebraska. The totals: Trump 287, Clinton 251. Trump won 227 congressional districts and 30 states, while Clinton won 211 congressional districts and 20 states.
        Some of the numbers by congressional districts:
        Calfornia: Clinton 46–7
        Florida: Trump 14–13
        Illinois: Clinton, 11–7
        New York: Clinton, 18–9
        Ohio: Trump, 12–4
        Texas: Trump,22–14
        Pennsylvania: Trump, 12–6

      JusticeDelivered in reply to MrE. | October 23, 2020 at 9:18 am

      “I think the Dems just like to whine.”

      And yell, scream, assault, riot, Dems have become a rather unsavory lot.

7 of us here watching (and cheering) the President. He CREAMED China Joe!

Didn’T waTch This debaTe because I’ve already voTed for The currenT and fuTure presidenT of The uniTed sTaTes.

NeverTheless I really appreciaTe reading all The commenTs. 😉

Biden really came up small with the Russia excuse. Any democrat scandal is Russia’s fault.

Comanche Voter | October 22, 2020 at 11:33 pm

Hey leave Jill alone. This debate was a boxing match, and Joe needed some help from a cruiser weight boxer. She showed up at the end.

I will say that I had to admire what one commenter called that “jackass grin”. Trump was pummeling him on one point or anotooth ther and when he was hitting really hard, Biden gave us the full 32 pearly white grin. Only a career politician could do that.

The other facial gestures of Biden–the smirk, the squinched eyes, shaking his head in sorrow, the hangdog head showing his plugs—didn’t play well in my family room anyway. But I wasn’t going to vote for the geezer anyway.

    The eyes- tell me more. I didn’t watch. My son said it was obvious from his eyes he was hopped up on drugs. Did anyone else see that in his eyes?

      Barry Soetoro in reply to gospace. | October 23, 2020 at 1:07 pm

      Biden clearly ran out of steam toward the end, while Trump was just warming up. Biden’s amphetamine hit must have worn off.

Eastwood Ravine | October 22, 2020 at 11:36 pm

As noted over on Ace’s blog, Joe was sundowning for around the last quarter of the debate. Team Trump was right to refuse any commercial/bathroom/medication breaks for the “candidates”.

I would have preferred a no-holds-barred cage match, but this was okay.

Trump continued his litany of I did this and that and the other thing during the last four years in office and I am going to continue to expand on that in the next four years. And he did a pretty good job at that.

Biden simply ignored his 47 years “career” in public office and promised two chickens in every pot, a Tesla in every garage and it would all be paid for by the exploding alternative energy industry.

Trump was the candidate of Getting The Job done and Biden was the candidate of I’ve Got A Plan to Turn The Country Into the Garden Of Eden, no matter what it costs.

The Hunter/Big Guy scandal got some play and the moderator was forced to pull out alternate Biden scandal question #1, when Trump laid it all out. Biden’s response was comical.

Now, the questions were clearly slanted to benefit Biden and harm Trump. And, the moderator, once again, was reluctant to ask penetrating follow-up questions of Biden. She also interrupted Trump many more time than she did Biden. And, she had a disconcerting tendency to attempt the move the discussion to another topic either when Biden go into trouble or to keep Trump from responding.

On the whole it was not a bad debate, but nothing special. It probably did not sway many voters, either way.

I just heard that there was a WGN poll that said Trump won 70+% to 20+%
( sorry I’ve forgotten the actual numbers).

My simple take away, Trump was aggressive but not overly so. Biden came across as a politician.

Everything the left does backfires. biden speaking uninterrupted for 2 minutes was a disaster. biden outright lied numerous times. Threw burrack under the immigration bus. biden became more and more incoherent and slurred badly as the debate progressed. His North Korea response was garbage. biden’s debate performance reminded me of leslie stahl’s double assertion that hunter’s laptop could not be validated. Something along the lines of: “Why will you be a good president, joe?” “Because I will be!” “But WHY?” “BECAUSE I WILL BE, JACK!” The most important takeaway was the campaign ending statement about ending American oil. Trump came across as knowledgeable, authentic, but somehow a restrained savage.

“Update — having had 25 more minutes to think about it, my overall impression is that Joe Biden came across as old, really old and frail.”

Yes. If I didn’t know their ages, I would guess that Biden is 10 or 15 years older than Trump. He looked old.

Biden showed flashes of anger and his voice grew very loud a few times while Trump remained calm.

But Biden really looked old and frail towards the end. That’s when he had a number of Bidenisms … he looked like he would lose it as he tried to regain his train of thought or searched for a word(s) he couldn’t find more and more. And that’s when he made a big blunder … Trump prodded him into basically declaring he’d end the fossil fuels industry.

Hello, Pennsylvania!

    randian in reply to LukeHandCool. | October 23, 2020 at 5:15 am

    I wouldn’t be so positive about Pennsylvania. The Democrats knew that Biden’s position on oil would kill his chances there, that’s why the PA Supreme Court strategically gutted PA election law. Now that votes, whether postmarked or not, can be counted for 3 days after the Nov 3 deadline prescribed by PA law the Democrats have 3 days to determine the legitimate vote gap between Biden and Trump and manufacture enough ballots to overcome it. Because PASC specifically allowed unpostmarked ballots to pass muster there is no way to trace the source of the ballots the Democrats will be manufacturing.

Didn’t watch but I like what I’m reading after the fact.

I’m not very observant of such things, but Biden did not show his Alzheimer’s. They must have him drugged up good. Expect lids for more days now, as he recovers, as well as hiding out from laptop questions.

Biden is more handsome, Biden held it together, he had some help from the moderator, and he answered about as well as possible.

Still Trump creamed him. Biden didn’t win a single topic. Trump got in the very damning breaking news from the laptop, and Biden had no solid response. Trump was polite, gracious, even seemed to plead with the moderator for more time. Biden was angry after the laptop stuff came up, a common cover when you’re scared. Of course Biden is scared by the laptop stuff that shows many past lies and much past corruption; it was never supposed to appear!

    So, Trump says to Biden … “look Joe, if you’ll give us Obama and concede the election, I’ll pardon you AND Hunter and we’ll get him the help he needs to get clean. You can spend the remainder of your days with your family in peace.”

    If the Dems can play “by any means necessary”, so can we.

    caseoftheblues in reply to artichoke. | October 23, 2020 at 4:14 am

    I’d clean or get fixed whatever screen you watched the debate on. Biden looked old and feeble and weak. Most of us have been around some relative or neighbor at that stage/condition in their lives either because of age or disease process or some combination and you just KNOW they aren’t right and are failing quickly.

    JuliaV in reply to artichoke. | October 24, 2020 at 1:04 am

    “Biden is more handsome”?! Are you kidding me? Besides his long-term creepiness, joker like smile, and hair plugs, he now looks like a decrepit old man who smells and can’t eat solid food. Yuck. Trump is not in his prime, but he is nonetheless a much more attractive and virile man, in my opinion.

When I say Biden answered as well as possible, it’s because the facts were not on his side. What is he supposed to do when hit with blow after blow about the laptop evidence, or even about his net-negative political career? He deflects, he makes a word salad, he makes homely comments to the humble voter, he throws back some chaff. Saying “I admit I was wrong” won’t win him the election either.

If someone knows how to find out, what were thed searches for “Poor Boys” during the debate.

The first debate reminded me that I was holding my nose voting for Trump in 2016. This debate reminded me of how pleased I have been with the way he’s governed.

The key part of the debate:

Biden said he would transition out of all fossil fuels


The tipping point state in many, many election models is…

I hope this Kinsley Gaffe by Biden is enough to overcome the Philly Phraud Vote Factor.

Thought the President had a real great night, and Sundowner as I thought before it started had nothing but deny, deny, deny.

And ended with the lie the country being systemic racist.
President Trump’s end was great.

    Yamamma in reply to Skip. | October 23, 2020 at 7:45 am

    When you read the transcripts you get a better view on how often the moderator would only give the President a scant amount of time to reply to some of Joe’s comments. She would say ok 10 seconds. Where when Joe wanted to reply to something there was no interrupting and he was allowed to finish most of his thoughts, the few that he had. The debate format gets a c-
    from me. I feel it was slanted towards Joe for sure.

Did anyone else notice that in the split screen depictions of Trump and Biden, their sizes relative to each other kept changing? It appeared to me that the person handling the camera aimed at the President kept fiddling with a zoom feature.

The moderator’s editorializing to frame every question was obnoxious.

The debates don’t matter; they’re just political theatre. Everybody knows the Dems aren’t voting for Biden; they’re voting for a Harris presidency.

2smartforlibs | October 23, 2020 at 6:16 am

When Joe 30330 looked at his watch he was looking at the exact time he know he was not going to be 46.

I think Joe knew the last question.. His response was canned. What a joke.

The only way Biden could have lost this debate was to actually die on stage. Seeing that he is still breathing (or so reports would indicate), he won.

    DanJ1 in reply to jim_m. | October 23, 2020 at 9:15 am

    I’ve mentioned this before. The bar is so low for Joe that he just has to be vertical when the buzzer goes off.

Biden is on his skis.
He’s racing down a slope of “snow”

Biden seemed old – I’ve only heard snippets on the radio and my impression from listening is the same. There was no strength in his voice. Sure he modulated every once in a while, but it sounded like an old man making a point over coffee with his buddies.

And, and this is a big AND, he’s been on vacation for the better part of four days!!! AND…Trump has been pounding the pavement day and night AND running the country at the same time!!!

I point out to people that there were legitimate questions about Hillary’s health, especially when she kept disappearing from the campaign trail. She’s been retired for 4 years now and she looks terrible. Imagine what the demands of the office would have done to her. Now think about Sleepy Slow Creepy Joe.

I think I counted Joe’s nervous tic “Come on” at least 8 times.

Biden was clearly drugged. He was coherent, while sometimes jumbled in thoughts, far more than ANYTIME you see him at these ridiculous “townhalls” and “rallies”.

The DNC either drugs him for these events or they drug him into an induced coma and use hypnopedia (unconscious learning) to fill his relaxed mind with talking points.

There is a CLEAR difference between his debates and his off the cuff appearances.

My take on the debate?

Kristen Welker starring in “Saving Private Biden”