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Poll: ‘a majority of 56% holds the view that American society is racist’

Poll: ‘a majority of 56% holds the view that American society is racist’

Ben Shapiro: “”Either the majority of Americans believe that their family, friends and neighbors are actually racist … or they believe that the institutions of American society are so deeply corrupt and systematically racist that they have to be razed to the ground.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVHIBL2wqyI

The left is winning the culture war at this time.  A recent Wall Street Journal / NBC poll shows that 56% of Americans have become convinced that American society is racist.

This is worrying not only for our nation but for November’s election.  When a majority have come to believe that we are a bunch of racists with racist systems, we have lost the culture battle, if not the war.

The Wall Street Journal reports:

Voters in growing numbers believe that Black and Hispanic Americans are discriminated against, and a majority of 56% holds the view that American society is racist, a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll finds.

The poll finds that Americans of all races and age groups share significant concerns about discrimination nearly two months after George Floyd, a Black man, was killed in police custody in Minneapolis. Nearly three-quarters of Americans, 71%, believe that race relations are either very or fairly bad, a 16-point increase since February.

In other signs of substantial shifts in views on race, more voters see racial bias as a feature of American society and support protests aimed at addressing it. Nearly 60% in the survey said that Black people face discrimination, and just over half said so of Hispanics, about double the shares from 2008. Support has also grown for two of the public responses to concerns about inequality: the Black Lives Matter movement and professional athletes’ practice of kneeling during the national anthem.

There is an interesting break down by party, however, and unsurprisingly, huge majorities of Democrats believe that black people are discriminated against and that American society is itself racist.

The Wall Street Journal continues:

In its deepest look at race in America in two decades, the Journal/NBC News poll also shows members of the two parties hold sharply different opinions about the extent of racial discrimination.

An overwhelming majority of Democrats, 90%, said Black people are discriminated against, whereas 26% of Republicans agreed. A similarly large share of Democrats, 82%, believe American society is racist, a view held by 30% of Republicans.

The 82% and 90% of Democrats believing this is alarming because although we often think that all Democrats are completely lunatic fringe loons welcoming the ushering in of the totalitarian dystopia pushed by the radical Marxists in the party and in its assorted affiliated groups, including the mainstream media, the fact is that there are still Democrats who are American patriots, who don’t want our country to be turned into a third-world rat-hole presided over by tyrannical leaders who mandate their every thought and action.

These people are apparently shifting their views about the fundamental fabric of American society, and that is something that can and must be corrected.

Ben Shapiro appeared on Martha MacCallum’s show earlier this week and called the numbers “shocking” and “devastating.”

The Hill reports:

Ben Shapiro called a new poll showing 56 percent of voters saying American society overall is racist “shocking and devastating,” warning on Fox News that those who believe the country is inherently racist will advocate the “complete destruction of the system” from within.

“It’s shocking and devastating because it means one of two things,” the conservative commentator told Martha MacCallum on “The Story” Tuesday night.

“Either the majority of Americans believe that their family, friends and neighbors are actually racist … or they believe that the institutions of American society are so deeply corrupt and systematically racist that they have to be razed to the ground. The only solution if you believe that society, at this moment in 2020, is systematically racist or inherently racist is complete destruction of the system from within,” he said.

He’s not wrong.

Shapiro goes on to wonder how much of this number reflects actual sentiment or that of people aware, in this era of radical cancel culture, of what saying anything else would bring raining down on them.

The Hill continues:

Shapiro warned of cultural pressures on commentators and the media in his remarks.

“I wonder how much of this is a certain amount of cultural pressure to cave to a particular narrative pushed by the media,” Shapiro said. “You’re not going to get called out or canceled if you say that you believe America is systemically racist and that you are all in favor of kneeling for the national anthem. You will get canceled if you say the opposite.”

Even if there is a “silent” group of people out there justifiably cowed into saying what is deemed “correct,” this is still an alarming trend.

If there is no significant pushback, no correction, no one with a large enough platform pointing out that America is the greatest country ever founded and that all of our citizens have unparalleled access to opportunity, these numbers condemning our country as racist will continue to climb.

And that view will be exploited by the left to seize control of our great country and to enact their fundamental transformation under the guise of correcting a systemic racism that doesn’t exist.

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Or, how about this, the poll is garbage.

I am not shocked, all it means is the Public Leftist Seminaries are getting through to young minds. They knew it would work eventually.

Day of Floyd’s funeral I witnessed about a dozen young people of school age heading to a rally for it, out of about 12 1 was a black male, maybe 2 were black females, the other 9 were white females.

    bw222 in reply to Skip. | July 26, 2020 at 2:07 pm

    If you view videos from yesterday’s violent protests, you’ll see the vast majority of protesters are woke whites.

    If it comes down to shooting, I hope the police/national guard shoot the white protesters first.

    MattMusson in reply to Skip. | July 26, 2020 at 4:01 pm

    The US is a systemically ANTI-Racist. Offhand I can name a half dozen laws and ten legal cases to prove it.

Maybe instead of a nation of sheeple this is a nation of parrots.

    rhhardin in reply to alaskabob. | July 26, 2020 at 1:00 pm

    [T]he human resentment of parrots, especially all the talk about their having devils in them and so on, springs not from their startling ability to utter human phrases but from their aggravating refusal to let you choose the topic. You know how it is. You go up to a parrot, and he’s probably in a cage and you’re not, so you feel pretty superior, maybe you even think you can feel sorry for the parrot, and you ask the parrot how he is, and he says something gnomic like, “So’s your old man,” or “How fine and purple are the swallows of late summer.” Then the parrot looks at you in a really interested, expectant way, to see if you’re going to keep your end up. At first you think you’ve been insulted, but a parrot is too cool to throw insults around, unlike a blue jay, and once you notice that, you start trying to figure out what the parrot means by it, and there you are. You haven’t a prayer of reintroducing whatever topic you had in mind. That’s why philosophers keep denying that parrots can talk, of course, because a philosopher really likes to keep control of a conversation.

    – Vicki Hearne, _Animal Happiness_ p.4

      Sonnys Mom in reply to rhhardin. | July 26, 2020 at 9:48 pm

      Times have changed. We are now living in the age of enriched environments, natural diets, flight cages, outside-of-cage-time, parrot sanctuaries and parrot rescue. And the Irene Pepperberg research team.

If all they see of America is what’s on CNN, and they superimpose that over what they would see in their actual lives if they interacted with people in meatspace (which thanks to COVID panic a lot fewer do these days), is it any wonder?

    MajorWood in reply to Dusty Pitts. | July 26, 2020 at 5:56 pm

    I keep telling them to take their message to the corner of E Biddle and N. Wolfe in Balmer where it can make a difference. And to only buy a one-way ticket since they will be returning as freight.

Making White Guilt by Shelby Steele mandarory reading in grade school would be a good start. You’ll never get the public school system to do it, but private schools certainly can.

People believe something, that doesn’t make it true. In the 13th Century, many thought that the world was flat. Didn’t make it so.

The dinosaur media, a wholly owned subsidiary of the Democrat party, preaches discrimination and public school indoctrination tells students the country is against minorities and the is no pushback, what do you expect?

This is what happens with many people who are told a lie over and over again: eventually they begin to believe it.

The majority have not heard that US blacks have an average IQ of 86 and any aggregate statistic, like percent passing lieutenants’ exams, will duplicate that; it’s not discrimination.

Stop breaking it out by race and look at everybody as American instead.

Teach good character in schools. Good character beats IQ as a way to success.

I will take a different point of view. The poll may be crap but the reality is American Society is polarized in racism. We have almost half the country calling conservatives racists, while demonstrating repeatedly their racism. We have segments of every racial group acting out their racism. We have a huge section decrying the emphasis on racism but recognizing it in society in general. After 8 years of Obama (the most racist president since LBJ) we are engulfed in an ever expanding leftist definition of what is racist. Frankly based on the various definitions, I think about 180% of Americans are racist in some measure. “Look, he supports Trump, he is a racist.” “Look he says ‘all lives matter,’ he is a racist!” and on and on……….

    lichau in reply to Haverwilde. | July 27, 2020 at 10:26 am

    Thought experiment (Don’t try this at home). Put on a BLM hat. Walk down the richest, whitest street in town. You MIGHT get hassled by the local cops if you are Black. You shouldn’t, but those are the facts.
    Put on a MAGA hat and walk down the street in the Black, poor, part of town.
    ???
    Cops show up to string the crime scene tape.

The Friendly Grizzly | July 26, 2020 at 1:17 pm

I don’t care. I just… don’t.

notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital | July 26, 2020 at 1:21 pm

The fake poll makers must be these same people.

Agricultural Warfare?

People Are Receiving Mysterious Unsolicited Packages Of Seeds In The Mail From China

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/agricultural-warfare-people-are-receiving-mysterious-unsolicited-packages-seeds-mail

This poll leaves some issues unresolved. Example:
1. A 16% increase since February in the number of respondents who believe race relations are bad or very bad. Why is that surprising? Given the events since February I would be surprised if the numbers were lower.

2. Race – Are the pollsters using the census definition, some other standard definition or allowing respondents to use their own definition?

3. Racism – same as above

4. Discrimination – same as above

These terms need definition to achieve a meaningful answer. Without some common frame of reference the terms are too malleable and imprecise, rendering them meaningless.

Behavior related example:
Is it discriminatory to send your child to a private school? If so, then every President with school age children is guilty.

Did they bother to ask if the respondents themselves were racist or had engaged in discrimination and to provide examples of that? Same for neighbors, coworkers, family. Then take the examples and compare them to the predetermined list of behavioral actions that the pollsters view as discriminatory or racist. Then the respondents answers can be sorted and identified.

This poll is hot garbage. Recency bias and confirmation bias along with respondents giving the expected answer not the true answer to avoid the pollsters tagging the respondents as guilty of wrong thought.

    MajorWood in reply to CommoChief. | July 26, 2020 at 6:00 pm

    People moving in droves to America’s whitest big city is just pure coincidence, and in no way proves that people who choose Portland are really closet racists, who need to tell people that they aren’t, 24/7.

    Barry Soetoro in reply to CommoChief. | July 27, 2020 at 11:10 am

    “These terms need definition to achieve a meaningful answer.”

    Exactly. I’ve seen “racism” defined as simply acknowledging the existence of races within our species. In any other species these geographically distinct population groups would be referred to as subspecies.

Eowyns Spirit Sister | July 26, 2020 at 1:29 pm

This was a phone poll of 900 registered voters. While the poll breaks down the sex, age and race, I don’t see a breakdown of political affiliation. But we get an idea from Q6 asking to “rate feelings toward” Trump, Biden, BLM & the NRA.

Very Positive is far left column

Very Negative in far right column

Donald Trump
July 2020+ 29 10 7 6 48
June 2020+ 29 11 8 6 45

Joe Biden
July 2020+ 15 19 19 13 33
June 2020+ 17 20 23 12 26

The Black Lives Matter Movement
July 2020+ 31 18 17 9 24

My point is, like most NBC polls, this seems heavily weighted towards liberals. On the question of do you approve of the job Trump is doing which they polled every month going back to June 2017, Trump’s “total” disapproval (somewhat disapprove + strongly disapprove) has always been above 50 % in their poll (sometimes close to 60%)

I don’t agree with Shapiro that these numbers are shocking–not with the poll weighted to the left. But they are a wake up call that we need to cut off the access anti-American Marxists teachers have to our kids. We need a total revamp of K-12 curriculum and defund universities.

I had this conversation where I asked them which party’s members owned slaves and which party’s members freed the slaves and they said “Everybody knows that after that the parties switched places,” and so I asked, “Was that when we had that polar shift where the north pole became the south pole and vice-versa?” and they just stared at me blankly.

drednicolson | July 26, 2020 at 1:45 pm

Take every popular epithet the leftilibrals like to throw around, substitute each instance with “unclean”, and the pattern of cultist behavior is unmistakeable. Leftilibralism is the jealous god of those who think themselves too sophisticated for religion.

They need to ask the question “Are you racist?”. If 56% don’t say yes, then there’s a disconnect somewhere.

    CommoChief in reply to RickH. | July 26, 2020 at 2:40 pm

    RickH,

    Yes indeed. The respondent will likely say ‘no not me, but my fill in the blank, brother in law, uncle, neighbor, etc is.

    Then ask for an example of the discriminatory or racist action. Then if the example given isn’t clearly discriminatory offer the respondents an example of similar or the same acts undertaken by those persons who are not normally thought to engage in discrimination. Now ask if the example changes their answer.

    The public vs private school example is a basic one. If a respondent states that refusing to send children to public school is discriminatory/racist then put the example of presidents Carter, Clinton and Obama before them.

    If they cling to the idea that not sending children to public schools remains proof of discrimination/racism ask if those presidents are guilty. If they say no toss their answer into the not capable of logical thought pile.

    Dusty Pitts in reply to RickH. | July 26, 2020 at 2:48 pm

    “I’m not racist, nobody I know is racist, but everybody I don’t know is out there burning crosses and tying nooses and plotting to reinstate slavery, I just knows it!”

    Sadly, you’re not far wrong.

Garbage in, garbage out

I don’t believe it

Why would I believe any poll today

What’s racist? The obsession with race on the part of the WokeFolk shows how racist they are.

Albigensian | July 26, 2020 at 2:38 pm

I’d have to wonder how much of this is something like the “shy Trump voter,” one who doesn’t wish to publicly admit to supporting Trump because of the potential social (or even professional) consequences of doing so.

Perhaps poll-takers will need to create the equivalent of secret ballots if they seek honest and accurate results?

Polls are incredibly easy to manipulate. The initial way is writing questions that seem neutral but lead the audience of the poll to tend to answer in the way you desire. The second way is to give several ‘close to what I want to answer’ choices that will ‘still’ give me the results I desire and not the accurate reflection of the person’s beliefs on the matter. The third way is choice of audience, choose those groups that will tend to answer as you want. The poll results will then be presented as representative of a whole that they do not represent and tend to sway indecisive non respondents to the viewpoints you wish them to have. Anyone trained in Marketing/PR who has a decent grasp of mathematical probabilities can do this.

    DSHornet in reply to kyrrat. | July 26, 2020 at 4:14 pm

    I had a little fun with a pollster college girl a few years back. Most of the questions were easily answered without any mental gymnastics on my part but to the more politically interesting ones I replied “I cannot answer.” After the third or fourth reply like that she looked a little impatient. She asked me why.

    “The choices you gave don’t agree with my opinions. They appear to prompt an answer that I don’t agree with. If you give me an honest choice instead of trying to steer me in the direction you want me to go, I’ll give you an answer. Until then, your poll is dishonest.” The reply was a deer-in-the-headlights look. I walked away and left her staring.

    Made my day.
    .

    I agree especially with your third point. Polls of “all adults” can be easily manipulated in this fashion by selecting the demographics you want. What is worse is that such polls are unfalsifiable, meaning that it is impossible to construct an experiment that could accurately measure the results. They are not science, and never have been.

    Any polling outfit that uses polls of both “all adults” and “likely voters” is as sleazy and dishonest as a business that keeps two sets of accounting books. “Likely voters” polls can actually be verified at election time; polls of “all adults” can be whatever you want and no one can prove otherwise.

    Joe-dallas in reply to kyrrat. | July 26, 2020 at 7:18 pm

    Similar to the skeptical science poll – 80+% of republics
    said/agreed the ” the government should ban the pollution that causes global warming”

The Racists are the ones out there in the streets rioting.

Diversity dogma (i.e. color judgments), including racism, sexism, etc. is a progressive condition.

Aren’t people who believe black people are too dumb to get a voter ID racist? I kinda think so.

MaggotAtBroadAndWall | July 26, 2020 at 3:47 pm

I strongly doubt many voters can cite actual DATA to support their beliefs about racism.

I have a niece who was raised in a socially conservative family. She came home from college last year and attended a sort of mini family reunion. I remember hearing some news on the radio that caused her to start spouting left wing slogans like “white privilege” and “systemic racism”.

I asked what data she relied on to support her belief in “white privilege”. How is “white privilege” measured? She looked at me like it was just an obvious, self evident truth. Then she rattled off a few names of people she has heard in the media as evidence of “systemic racism”. She explicitly mentioned Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin, but assured me there were others whose names she could not remember at the moment. High profile media anecdotes is what informed her belief.

I said fine. Then tell me, approximately, how many blacks are killed by police each year and how many whites are. She had no clue and refused to even offer a guess for fear of being embarrassed. Then I asked her if there are more blacks or whites incarcerated? More blacks or whites on death row? More whites or blacks collecting food stamps. More blacks or whites who die of drug addiction? Suicide? Granted there are more whites that blacks in the population, but if whites have this unearned privilege, then why do whites exceed blacks in all of those categories?

Being challenged made her angry. She stopped talking and walked off.

I am surprised that 100% of the US population believes that large segments of the population is racists.

A number of observations based on my personal Life’s experience :

A) the largest segment and the most racist segment of the population are those accusing others of racism and promoting racism. hint – most progressives.
B) its a natural human tendency to prefer interaction with people like yourself. Its a normal human trait. that is not racism.
C) In my professional circles and social circles, I deal and interact with a significant number of blacks and hispanics. I identify with all of them as individuals.
D) In my hiring practices – I do discriminate – I do not hire, much less even interview prospective employees from the sub cultures where professionalism, performance, attitude are likely to be problems.
Unfortunately , the sub-culture which is rife with racism and subpar performance taints others – that aspect, that culture is what has done more harm to that community/culture than slavery caused over the first 130 years of this country.

‘a majority of 56% holds the view that American society is racist’

I don’t doubt that it is.

The Left half is thoroughly racist. And sexist, and classist, etc.

One of our major political parties is—its electoral tactic is “divide and conquer”, and race is one of the obvious divisions it always tries to capitalize on.

American blacks are, in the main, racist. I hadn’t realize just how racist before the Obama election, when so many were looking for him to really stick it to Whitey. Thurgood Marshall was possibly out most blatantly racist Supreme Court associate justice. The only blacks I personally know who I wouldn’t file as “racist” are some recent immigrants from Africa and the Caribbean who apparently haven’t been infected yet. But give it time, they will be.

Americans of Oriental origin are horribly racist, but they’re too polite to go around telling everyone about it.

Only a very tiny portion of America isn’t dyed-in-the-wool racist.
But this has always been true, and the country manages to function anyway. So I’m not all that concerned about it.

You know why so many people apparently believe that America is racist? because every single major news organ LIES to them about it. Even Fox lies about it.

Take this quote, for example. “The poll finds that Americans of all races and age groups share significant concerns about discrimination nearly two months after George Floyd, a Black man, was killed in police custody in Minneapolis.” This is totally inaccurate. First of all the autopsy results clearly showed that Floyd was NOT “killed” by anyone other than himself. It would be far more accurate to say that he DIED while in police custody. To date, we have seen NO evidence that any action of the police led to or even contributed to his death. Yet we still hear that the police killed him or someone killed him while he was in police custody. And, this happens in nearly everyone of these “police related deaths”. Lies. Lies and slander.

Then we have the complaint that Blacks and other minorities are discriminated against in hiring. However, everyone seemingly ignores forty years of affirmative action and an EEOC process which is totally slanted to the benefit of minorities. Blacks and other minorities claim that they are the equal of white Americans then claim that they need additional help in order to succeed. Huh??? How is that possible in a rational world, where systemic racism actually favors the minority?

Now, the big question is, what can be done about the the widespread belief that there is systemic racism aimed t blacks and other minorities. The answer is nothing. The very organizations which would normally by exposing the lies are the one perpetuating them. Liberal Progressive whites and race-baiting hucksters are pushing this and they are either the news media and the government or are highly influential within it. There is nothing that can be done. At some point, the majority, mostly white working class Americans, will feel threatened enough to push back. And no one is going to like the results of that.

Reminds me of the “POLLS” that had Hillary winning the 2016 presidential election in a LANDSLIDE…

nordic_prince | July 26, 2020 at 4:58 pm

Interesting. Of the 56%, I wonder how many of them would admit to being racist.

It would be a bit of a problem if 56% said that American society is racist, and 56% of them pointed to “the other guy” as being racist.

American society probably is racist.

And?

ThePrimordialOrderedPair | July 26, 2020 at 5:14 pm

You know who’s more racist than America? … Pretty much every other nation on Earth. Almost all of them are ethnically-based (no problem with that) and make no bones about what they think of others (also no problem with that).

But this poll is the same sort of crap that we get with illusory-guilt ridden AMerican lefties who think that our language is irretrievably gender-biased when the fact is that English is about the most gender-neutral/non-gendered language on Earth. Pretty much all of the other languages I am aware of include gender for everything – nouns, adjectives, … while English had almost completely done away with that so many hundreds of years ago. But these idiot American lefties are on a drive to “degenderize” the most genderless language around, and most Americans are unaware of other languages to realize how totally ridiculous that is. And so … we end up with the same people trying to kill the illusory gender in English also coming up with the scientific breakthrough “discovery” that sex and gender don’t even exist, outside of ones mind; that people can just make up and declare what gender/sex they are and .. poof! .. they are that.

I am highly suspicious of this poll on many fronts – what they are asking, what people are answering, what both sides are really thinking … I mean, the American left (which is clearly greater than 40% of this population) are totally obsessed with race and view every single thing through some distorted racist viewpoint so there’s no question that leftist politics in America are based almost exclusively on racist policies …

I don’t know if 56% really believe this rubbish, but I am compelled to point out an important fact. A poll of “all adults” or even “registered voters” is almost certainly bogus, with the demographics representing a leftist fantasy (it is the WSJ and NBC, two corporations know for fake news). By contrast, a poll of “likely voters” actually measures who shows up at the polls to vote. The latter poll is based upon real people who actually exist and (most importantly) be measured, while the former exists only in the minds of partisan hacks.

Ask yourself this: why do pollsters switch to “likely voter” models just before an election? Because exam time has come, kids! “Likely voter” polls can be compared to actual results, and there is no cover for polling organizations who blow it. By contrast polls of “all adults” are by definition unfalsifiable, and not real science. Fake news corporations like NBC can churn out these polls as often as they like, and smugly know they can never be disproven.

Polls of “all adults”, like phrenology, race science, and man-made climate change, belong in the scientific Hall of Shame as fake science.

    I take your point, generally speaking; however, this is not an election poll post, so who votes doesn’t matter as much as getting a feel for how far gone we are if that many people (whether or not they vote) think our country is racist. How do you climb back from that? That, I think, is far more important to consider in polls like this one. Dismissing warning signs like this strikes me as unwise (and I’m a “likely voter” . . . who will crawl over broken glass to cast my vote in November). The culture matters, and right now, we are not in a good place, playing ostrich won’t fix it (though I’m not sure what will at this point, and that worries me more than I like to admit).

      I saw similar poll numbers in the 70s and 80s about the issue of nuclear war with the Soviet Union. According to our self-anointed moral and intellectual better of the time the solution was to give Soviets whatever they wanted, since the Soviet Union was a peace-loving nation, that Reagan was Hitler Reincarnated, and that AmeriKKKa was the real Evil Empire responsible for everything bad in history. Then (as now) non-Communists were vilified and frozen out of media and academia. Cancel culture is not a new phenomenon, unfortunately.

      So while I have excellent reasons to believe the poll in question is pure fakery, to me it does not ultimately matter one way or the other. The solution (as I see it) is to do what was done back then: tell the truth to those who will hear without fear or apology. Continue to call “B******t!” on whatever lie the Communists are pushing. Support those who stand against the brownshirts. Keep pointing out the violent, racist, anti Semitic nature of Antifa/BLM (IMO that is their main vulnerability, which is why the media guiltily pushes the “mostly peaceful” lie about their brownshirt mobs). And yes – we should all get ready for armed conflict to come to us sooner or later like it has to the unfortunate denizens of deep blue hellholes like Seattle and Portland. Should such armed conflict come, the would-be Fourth Reich should not find a passive, disarmed population they way the Third Reich did.

      (If you want to volunteer for political campaigns go ahead, but the GOPe has proven itself to be a tower of Jello in the current crisis. Why are GOP leaders in the House and Senate not laying the verbal lashings on the Communists on a daily basis for the brutality and terror going on in the streets? And frankly having folks like Mitt Romneycare and Susan Murkowski on your side is like Churchill trying to win the Battle of Britain with some of his generals fighting for the Nazis part-time.)

        Wow. Let me just say that I think we can see with our own eyes that our nation is in trouble, we don’t need a poll for that. My hope was to show that we are losing the socio-cultural war, but we know that, right? That’s why we wanted to take our country back under Obama, why we are concerned that the campus cancel culture has entered the mainstream, and why we worry about what is coming. You don’t have to like the poll, but what it reveals cannot really be denied, can it? The winds have shifted in the left’s direction, and we have a small window to change that. We won’t change it by denying that we are, currently at least, losing. /just my two cents

          There is an advantage to being an old geezer like me. 🙂

          Communists have a limited imagination, and they keep recycling the same plays out of their playbook. Many parts of the Antifa/BLM brownshirt movement seem boringly familiar, since I saw the Soviet-directed quislings of the 80s “Peace Movement” doing many of the same things.

          One major difference between now and then is the in-your-face violence and bigotry of Antifa/BLM. Republicans could make the Communists pay a steep political price – if the GOP Congressional leaders would uncurl themselves from the fetal position they are currently in.

          Heh, I’m no spring chicken. I hear what you are saying, and I know that there once was a rather powerful fascist party in the U.S., but that we won before doesn’t mean we will again. As you must know, they just keep chipping away. We help them by being dismissive of their only opposition. The GOP has shown more spine since Trump’s election than we’ve seen since Reagan. It’s stupid to bash them when they are doing all we could ask for given they have only the Senate. Want to see real action, vote GOP and give newly reelected President Trump a Republican House and Senate. Without that, he is just a pen and a phone. Undone as easily as Trump undid Obama’s pen and phone. Think. Please.

          Ok, if that was your essential intended point you missed on communicating it. I do agree with you in this.

          Currently, what I am doing is purchasing books, physical copies, (digital is easily altered and erased by publishers). These books cover a range of topics but all present race, culture and religion throughout history. I have quite a few books on philosophy and socio-economics. I read(re-read) them and get my 16 yr old to read and discuss them with me. I gather friends of his, who do not mind a friendly debate, and we all talk about them. I encourage him to talk about these subjects to his peers. I do not say I am changing the world, but the handful who see a different point of view is growing. Some of them are spreading the word.

          Lets try again. The keyboard ate the last bit of what I was saying.

          The reason I am buying those books and discussing those topics is that, to me, without an underlying understanding of ‘the path to now’ no one can communicate effectively, using historical examples, reason, and logic. Changing the mind of someone who ‘feels’ that the statement ‘all whites are racist’ or ‘america is racist’ cannot be done without the ammunition of ‘reason, history and philosophy’. Even then you might not. There is only a chance, not a certainty.

You know who’s opinions aren’t counted in these polls?

The HUGE number of normal Americans who either simply don’t answer the phone whenever they get a call from a number they don’t recognize (my choice…if you’re calling me and you’re not in my contacts, you better leave a message because I’m not gonna answer) or simply reply “piss off” when strangers start asking them personal questions.

Polls are nothing more than mental masturbation and are, more often than not, specifically engineered and collected in such a way as to support a desired agenda.

    Right, Sailorcurt, I remember all those people heading into the 2012 election . . . that Obama won.

    Let’s please get real and think about what we can actually do to change the way things are going (and yes, they are going in the left’s direction, don’t doubt that). This crazy resistance to fact is befuddling to me. You can see the problems if you just look, but if it’s easier to pretend what is happening is not happening, we lose. What is hard about that?

    All: Polls can all suck and lie, but what do your eyes and ears tell you? What does your logic, your knowledge of history tell you? Think. This is not a good place for our country, and if you just shrug and dismiss the signs, you are the problem that got us here in the first place and that will be our demise. Wake up. The GOPe is not the problem, the whatever-conspiracy-theory of the day is not the problem, we die as a nation when we are no longer a nation, when we have no unifying principle, no reason for being. These are being stripped away, not by some GOPe boogeyman, but by actual Marxists, by communists. Wake the hell up, please, because you are fighting the wrong battle in the wrong war. If America dies, is murdered, by the radical Marxist left, do you declare victory over some squishy POS RINO or do you bemoan your myopia that lost us the greatest nation ever to exist?

Ignorance plays an important part in these polls. For instance, during America’s slavery peak, less than 15% of Americans were slave holders. While the great majority of slave holders were white, there were many blacks and native Americans who also owned slaves.

There were significantly more white Europeans sold into slavery in Africa than blacks from Africa sold into slavery in America.

Thirdly, much racism is actually culturalism rather than racism. Wait and see how many young white folks will be discriminated against due to facial neck tattoos.

Generations of Americans have been taught that they are racist and lacking any countervailing information, they believe what they’ve been taught.

healthguyfsu | July 26, 2020 at 10:01 pm

Do this poll by a legitimate secret ballot that people can trust and get a different answer IMO.

I suspect this is the % of Americans who watch the big 3 networks for news. Coincidence?

Antifundamentalist | July 27, 2020 at 1:40 pm

Of Course Racism is running rampant in American society, and it is not a one-way street. A lot of the complaints of the BLM movement are perfectly justified (even if they choose their martyrs poorly). The School to Prison Pipeline is a real thing in many places. Cops discriminate against dark skinned people unjustly on a regular basis. Our wellfare system is designed to trap people in poverty. If we are serious about Equality under the law, then we need to change some things. We ALL need to change some things…not just the light skinned folk.

Why was the Rev. Al Sharpton excluded from the stirring tributes to John Robert Lewis today? Was Mr. Lewis not of the same statue as Mr. George Floyd?

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