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NY Times: Blame Tear Gas, Not Rioters and Looters, If There’s New Coronavirus Outbreak

NY Times: Blame Tear Gas, Not Rioters and Looters, If There’s New Coronavirus Outbreak

“The widespread use of tear gas could contribute to a coronavirus rebound.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/03/us/tear-gas-risks-protests-coronavirus.html

The New York Times touted one study that claims tear gas can make someone’s lungs more susceptible to respiratory illnesses.

Buried lede: a researcher said more studies have to happen since most of them are decades old.

I have a simple solution: don’t riot.

Then again, we have seen in these riots that people do not care about the coronavirus since they’ve ignored the social distancing rules. Some have worn gloves and masks, but not everyone.

The New York Times reported:

Along with the immediate pain that can cause watering eyes and burning throats, tear gas may cause damage to people’s lungs and make them more susceptible to getting a respiratory illness, according to studies on the risks of exposure. The gas can also incite coughing, which can further spread the virus from an infected person.

Sven-Eric Jordt, a researcher at Duke University who has studied the effects of tear gas agents, said he had been shocked to watch how much the authorities had turned to the control method in recent days.

“I’m really concerned that this might catalyze a new wave of Covid-19,” Mr. Jordt said. The virus has been linked to more than 106,000 deaths in the United States.

The study took place in 2012 by the U.S. Army:

In research conducted by the U.S. Army, examiners looked at the impacts of exposure that thousands of Army recruits had to the common riot-control agent known as CS gas or tear gas. The study conducted in the summer of 2012 found that the personnel in a basic training cohort had a substantially high risk of being found to have an acute respiratory illness in the days after exposure than the days before.

The risk increased the more people were exposed, the researchers said.

The miserable initial effects of tear gas — including stinging in the eyes and throat — typically lasts for only 15 to 30 minutes after a person who has been exposed gets to an area with cleaner air. But many of the illnesses in the Army research surfaced days after exposure. Researchers cautioned that illnesses were not lab-checked, and could have been caused by damage to the respiratory tract rather than infection, or could have been prompted by other factors.

As I noted above, Jordt stressed that the study worried him “that the effects on healthy, young military recruits may also not fully capture the risks to people who are older or have underlying conditions.”

In other words, we need more research on tear gas “since much of the research was decades old.”

It didn’t take long for people to roll their eyes and notice what the media and others are trying to deflect blame from the rioters if another outbreak comes right after these riots:

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JackinSilverSpring | June 3, 2020 at 2:03 pm

Izvestia (news) on the Hudson, which prints the news that fits its views, especially if Trump it screws. There is clearly no truth in Izvestia.

    notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital in reply to JackinSilverSpring. | June 3, 2020 at 2:10 pm

    Yes.

    Why haven’t the Rioters torched the NYT?

    “After using the National Guard to lock-down neighborhoods and block church gatherings and attendance, New York City Mayor de Blasio now refuses to use the national guard to stop widespread mob violence, looting, arson and mayhem. Oh, and law-abiding citizens within the city are almost completely blocked by regulations from owning firearms.” – unknown

    Laura Ingraham
    @
    Obama had 8 years to address racism and inequalities in criminal justice system and didn’t. Now he says he has a plan? And Biden?

    dunce1239 in reply to JackinSilverSpring. | June 3, 2020 at 4:05 pm

    Every person that has served in the military was exposed to tear gas as part of their basic training. that is Army, Navy, Air Force,and Coast Guard. It is temporary and has no long term effects. Actually i found the temporary effects very mild.

I thought the Russians were behind the spread of the Wuflu. Or was it white supremacists? Hard to be sure.

The “immutable and everlasting truth” as preached by the MSM/DNC axis tends to flip-flop without warning.

notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital | June 3, 2020 at 2:13 pm

The MSM is covering up the massive riots and their murders in San Fran CA for their San Fran Nan.

https://www.google.com/search?q=san+francisco+riots&oq=san+francisco+riots&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l3.18149j0j4&client=ms-android-att-us-revc&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#scso=_6uPXXrTSJZj3-gSJmafAAw20:0&sbfbu=0&pi=san%20francisco%20riots

2smartforlibs | June 3, 2020 at 2:13 pm

So the social distancing is all BUll now

So the NYT believes ‘gatherings’ of far more than 50 are okay now. Great. Someone tell all the professional sports organizations.

These guys needed new electronics to get through the next quarantine
https://moonbattery.com/protesters-drive-forklift-through-front-of-best-buy/

notamemberofanyorganizedpolicital | June 3, 2020 at 2:29 pm

Meanwhile back at the Dem-crap Chicken Ranch…….

Adam Kredo
@
Vandals bashed in the windows of D.C.’s primary kosher establishment. If you can, help them and the city’s Jewish community rebuild.

Adam Kredo
@
Help keep DC’s prime kosher gathering place alive: Chip in for Char Bar’s Recovery
https://gofundme.com/f/keep-dc-kosh

Tony Shaffer
@T_S_P_O_O_K_Y
It’s like
@RodRosenstein
‘s version of Green Eggs and Ham “I would not, could not sign them now, I would not could not read them then – I do not like going to jail – I do not like the federal pen – I could not last, I would not could not be a communal shower big bubba’s friend”

Adam Housley
@
I mean it’s unreal that Rosenstein basically said he didn’t read the FISA request and wouldn’t sign it now…at a time when the Admin says we were being attacked by the Russians. You wouldn’t look at a FISA request targeting Russian interference?! What a freaking crock.

    I watched the entire Rosenstein hearing, how in the world could someone like him work his way that high in the government complex. He sounded so weak and feeble.
    Then bailed out on speaking about pending cases, sorry Rod, you aren’t in government at this time, you chickened out yet again.
    Those people in DC run in very small and tight circles, everyone knows what everyone else’s political views are don’t make the claims that you had no idea what Page and Strzok’s political beliefs were and a poor judge of character in assuming that they could keep their views from corrupting their work.

    Rod Rosenstein has just admitted that the FISA warrant requests weren’t properly vetted and that had they been checked would have been found deficient. Thus he also admits that the entire process flowing from those deficiencies was legally fatally flawed.

And one wonders why no thinking person trusts the media…..

Paul In Sweden | June 3, 2020 at 2:58 pm

Are there investigations into members of the MSM funding the ANTIFA Terrorist Group?

Are members of the USA MSM coordinating with the ANTIFA Terrorists in the same manner that we have documented the international MSM coordinates with HAMAS throughout the middle-east?

    Milhouse in reply to Paul In Sweden. | June 3, 2020 at 7:52 pm

    Funding Antifa is not illegal, so long as the donor is not personally involved in conspiring to commit any specific criminal act. So long as it’s kept on the general level of “I know you guys do good work, so here’s some money”, the donor is untouchable. Because there is no such thing as a domestic terrorist organization. Hamas is foreign, and therefore can be and has been designated as a foreign terrorist organization, so now giving it any material support is a federal crime.

      Paul In Sweden in reply to Milhouse. | June 3, 2020 at 11:51 pm

      Well… Where are we with legal recourse against the designated Terrorist Group ANTIFA? Does the EO make ANTIFA a terrorist organization and if so, how does it matter.

        Milhouse in reply to Paul In Sweden. | June 4, 2020 at 12:45 am

        Antifa is not and cannot be designated as a terrorist group, because it is not foreign. There is no such thing in US law as a domestic terrorist organization.

        Acts of domestic terrorism are crimes, but they’re defined by the law; there’s no such thing as “designating” them. Designation is for organizations; once an organization has been designated it’s a crime to give it any material support. But that status exists only for foreign groups. The term is “Foreign terrorist organization”.

        The EO is a load of BS, of no legal effect at all.

Connivin Caniff | June 3, 2020 at 3:01 pm

They have better gas masks than the cops.

Ok- so then PDs can use OC (oleoresin capsicum) agents, leaving tear gas in the precinct house, to disperse the rioters. Problem solved, right?

most of them are decades old
So what? How does age invalidate a scientific finding?
Now, if they claim they were inadequate because we know more than we used to, ok. But scientific findings don’t become invalid with age.

Now, I will also say that those conclusions mean nothing in terms of blame. As Mary says, you don’t want to have irritated lungs (and other mucus surfaces), then don’t riot. Or, don’t be at a riot (looking at you, media) where the tear gas will affect you.

Let’s expand this list a little, too:
— If you don’t want your head busted by a police truncheon – don’t riot.
— If you don’t want big welts on your body from beanbag rounds – don’t riot.
— If you don’t want to be shot by people protecting their property and lives – don’t riot.
— If you don’t want to spend a while in the local hoosegow – don’t riot. (Or do it in NYC)
— If you don’t want to lose your cushy job that lets you waste your off hours in delusional bullhockey like communism – don’t riot (where they will capture your face or name).

A SJW Interim Manifesto

There is no tear-gas exception to the socially just entitlement, believed and held by paid, organized, ideologically committed rioters/insurrectionists and like-behaving, peaceful protesters, to loot, plunder, set fire — and kill, if need be. SJW obey the creed: Law oppresses, Defiance Liberates!

Any emergency, reflexive response — to existing society’s pan-oppressive regime — in the form of critical, socially just, society-correcting behavior simply supersedes preexisting, racially supremacist, sexist, xenophobic law — supposedly in place to maintain so-called peace and good order in society. Such law-and-order-based societies are intrinsically vile and noxious.

Therefore, POTUS’s security and that of local storeowners’ lives and property are immaterial to the aims, practices, tactics, and goals of social justice practitioners.

How dare the president’s security attempt to topple this hierarchy of rights and values by threatening the health and safety of SJWs with the use of tear gas — a known toxic agent and Covid-19 facilitator! The presidential security’s trigger-pulling hands and theirs alone bear any and all responsibility for any lives lost or sickened by the criminal use of “security-maintaining” tear gas against those who riot and protest in the public square, government-permitted or not.

Antifa! Black Lives Matter! F**k all police!

That’s an interesting perspective. Now try and get the VA to acknowledge the impact and list exposure and it’s effect as creating a presumptive cause for respiratory issues. You can go ahead with the rest of your day, month, year, decades…

The DoD nor VA is ever going to make respiratory issues a presumptive condition that equals disability compensation.

Hell, I have had a trauma induced pneumothorax (collapsed lung), exposure to burn pits, exposure to multiple IED blasts containing chlorine gas, diagnosed COPD and yet VA tells me my lungs are fine…

Another point, during basic training the recruits live in an open bay with another 60+ people. The recruits range from 17 years old to mid thirties. Sometimes a few years older. They come from small farm towns and big metro areas alike. Each bringing their hometown germs/virus with them. Everyone is going on 5-7 hours of sleep. Everyone is physically and mentally exhausted. Everyone gets a headcold of some kind.

    DaveGinOly in reply to CommoChief. | June 3, 2020 at 4:27 pm

    Cheif, I appreciate what you’ve been through, but the study states that the difference between the cohorts was exposure to tear gas. Being a study of trainees, that means that all the other conditions you mentioned as present during basic training were present in both groups. This is a strong indication that exposure to tear gas was the causative agent in the respiratory problems of the exposed group. (And I endorse your list, having experienced it myself. I became deathly ill in basic, as sick as I have ever been. Funny, though, it only affected me at night. Every morning at reveille my fever just switched off and my illness didn’t prevent me from training during the day, for which I was extremely stoked – although I continued to cough up blood. It was very bizarre. But I didn’t want to be recycled, so I didn’t say anything about it. It lasted a week, so I was able to tolerate the loss of sleep.)

      CommoChief in reply to DaveGinOly. | June 3, 2020 at 5:08 pm

      DaveGinOly,

      Two points.

      1. There is no way the DoD and or VA is ever going to state that exposure to CS in training creates a presumptive condition for respiratory tract disability compensation. Not going to happen.

      2. Ok now replicate the studies. Control for age, geographic diversity of recruits, previous exposures of recruits, preexisting respiratory issues (some can be waived to allow for enlistment), travel path to BCT. Were any recruits flown on aircraft or through an airport with potential exposure to respiratory diseases? Likely yes.

      Bottom line. We all know everyone gets sick at Basic. Obviously there are many contributing factors to that. Does exposure to CS increase likelihood of illness? My experience tells me that following the gas chamber everyone stopped getting sick. Maybe due to all the coughing, spitting, nasal running. Basically purged it. That is my anecdotal observation.

      Even if these studies were replicated and validated does exposure have temporary effect or permanent effect? Does it decline over time? Either way CS is far too valuable a tool in riot control to eliminate its use.

      The best way to avoid covid exposure is to stay home. I am not going to get worked up over CS deployment to disburse a mob.

Is the NYT suggesting that if tear gas were released into empty streets that the incidence of infection by the Chinese virus would go up?

No examined were the possibility of mental defect of the researchers

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